Maximus69:


Your own PERSONAL opinion Mr Shalom, over 8,000,0000,000 people globally are watching the 9,000,000 Jehovah's Witnesses in their neighbourhood, so you're just like nothing in their midst with your opinion and useless miracles that's not yielding any positive fruit!

It doesn't matter as we know your true nature: Wolves in Sheep Skin

shadeyinka:

It doesn't matter as we know your true nature: Wolves in Sheep Skin

Here you go again, you often say you're alone, now you want to claim there are people sharing your opinion, yet you're not in agreement even with those teaching your fellow congregants in the same religious center!

But those who are working as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers you're referring to as wolves!

Wolves doing fine works globally! Matthew 7:16-18

Hypocrisy is making you duller and duller Sir!

Maximus69:


That's what you supposed to ask at first before all these arguments!

New heavens and the new earth is NOT literal Sir!

To grasp this concept, you need to know what the old heaven and earth means first! Revelations 21:1

The heavens simply connotes the higher intelligence, setting standards for the lesser {Isaiah 55:9} in other words it refers to those ruling over others, they're the ones serving as the heavens, so it's what they dispense that moisturizes the earth (their subjects)! Isaiah 55:10

It's the standards your governments laid down that determines what happens in your society.

As Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) continue to circulate the earth with Jesus' teachings, God is forming (creating) a new set of rulers (New heavens) and a new set of subjects (New earth) and this setting will certainly yield positivity in all respect because it will all be established in righteousness. 2Peter 3:13

You may ask "HOW?"

Remember Jesus' teaching helps people to develop NEW PERSONALITY {Ephesians 4:24, Colossians 3:10} that's why you're seeing people from all over the earth HUMBLY coming together to form a new set of people {Isaiah 2:3} they're obedient to their own leaders {Hebrew 13:7,17} so that LOVE, JOY and PEACE reigns in their midst! Isaiah 2:4 compare to Jeremiah 31:33-34

Of course those ruling this people today will be taken to heaven finally as they've proved their worth here on earth {Luke 12:32} then their subjects will renovate the earth after God have REMOVED all disobedient humans from the earth! Proverbs 2:22

So the term "new heavens and new earth" is NOT what misinformed churchgoers are thinking Sir!

This is false teaching.

The Earth will be destroyed together with Sinners.
Isaiah prophesized about this.


Isaiah 34:7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness. 34:8 For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. 34:9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. 34:10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.


Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. Malachi 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Zephaniah 1:14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, 1:16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. 1:17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung. 1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

Maximus69:


Here you go again, you often say you're alone, now you want to claim there are people sharing your opinion, yet you're not in agreement even with those teaching your fellow congregants in the same religious center!

But those who are working as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers you're referring to as wolves!

Wolves doing fine works globally! Matthew 7:16-18

Hypocrisy is making you duller and duller Sir!

Wolves in sheep skin working fine!!??

blueAgent:



This is false teaching.

The Earth will be destroyed together with Sinners.
Isaiah prophesized about this.


Isaiah 34:7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness. 34:8 For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. 34:9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. 34:10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.


Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. Malachi 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Zephaniah 1:14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, 1:16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. 1:17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung. 1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

The 9,000,000 faithful souls working zealously to

Change people's hearts from thinking about wars! Isaiah 2:2-4

Unite obedient and humble people from all over the earth as a global family! John 17:20-23

Teaching them biblical counsels that's making them loyal and faithful husbands and wives.

Peace loving citizens everywhere they are!

So that same God who said to Abraham "if i found TEN righteous persons in the whole of Sodom and Gomorrah, i will spare the cities" Genesis 18:32

This same God will destroy all the earth because of wicked people. When he could just send down the angel of death the same way he did to kill only the first born of the enemies of his people in Egypt! Proverbs 2:20-22

Why is it so difficult for you people to realize that God only wanted to destroy the ungodly men {2Peter 3:7} and not everything he made with his hands simply because of wicked people! Genesis 8:21-22

Walahi Talahi you people are real clowns when someone who have carefully studied the Bible is examining your thoughts!

The same God who rescued the Israelites in the midst of Egyptians, can't single out his enemies again!

The one who said "WHEN I SEE THE BLOOD I WILL PASSOVER YOU" Exodus 12:13

Will now destroy all the earth because of his enemies!

But you people are expecting him to carry you to heaven despite all these your criticism against one another, and you're expecting him to destroy all the earth with obedient humans who have form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers!

Please go and join the stand up Nigeria comedy show by Funmi Davies, you guys will really amuse comedy lovers a lot, because you've got the talent!

shadeyinka:

I agree with you here!


I agree with you. But Jesus also used the figurative expression of "outer darkness"

Mat 8:12:
"But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Mat 25:30:
"And cast you the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."


Time is a physical event. Angels don't operate through times and seasons defined by the sun or moon.

And something interesting about the new Jerusalem I want you to see. It doesn't have a sun.

Rev 7:16:
"They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat."

Rev 21:23:
"And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

Rev 22:5:
"And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God gives them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."

If the city has no sun for God is their light, would there ever be darkness?
If there is no night, does it not make sense that then people may not need to sleep : for they are never tired.

In other words even in the Physical realm, time seem not to be.


I think this scripture is speaking about the time of the millennial (1000years) reign of Christ on earth.
Or what do you think?

Not everything in this Bible verse should be taken literally..

God is a spirit and we all know it was God that instituted time.

The Righteous would inherit the Earth, its logical to believe that the renewed Earth will still have daytime and nightime , ruled by Sun and Moon.

That Bible verse you quoted about a city (Rev21:23) is referring to the New Jerusalem which descends from Heaven from God there there would be no need for the sun or moon in Heaven.

But shortly after that verse John talks about the new Heavens and Earth.

The Earth, daytime and night time aswell as the Sun and moon, were all created before the fall of Adam.

I don't think God would abolish them in the new Earth.


Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

shadeyinka:

I agree with you here!


I agree with you. But Jesus also used the figurative expression of "outer darkness"

Mat 8:12:
"But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Mat 25:30:
"And cast you the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."


Time is a physical event. Angels don't operate through times and seasons defined by the sun or moon.

And something interesting about the new Jerusalem I want you to see. It doesn't have a sun.

Rev 7:16:
"They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat."

Rev 21:23:
"And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

Rev 22:5:
"And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God gives them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."

If the city has no sun for God is their light, would there ever be darkness?
If there is no night, does it not make sense that then people may not need to sleep : for they are never tired.

In other words even in the Physical realm, time seem not to be.


I think this scripture is speaking about the time of the millennial (1000years) reign of Christ on earth.
Or what do you think?

Time is not evil on its own or does it nullify the meaning of eternity.

More evidence that time will exist.

◄ Genesis 8:22
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold
and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not
cease.

Psalm 104:19 ESV
He made the moon to mark the seasons;
the sun knows its time for setting.

Psalm 136:7-9 ESV
to him who made the great lights,
for his steadfast love endures forever;
8 the sun to rule over the day,
for his steadfast love endures forever;
9 the moon and stars to rule over the night,
for his steadfast love endures


Jeremiah 31:35 ESV
Thus says the Lord,
who gives the sun for light by day
and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by
night,
who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—
the Lord of hosts is his name:


Jeremiah 33:20 King James Version (KJV)
Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day,
and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be
day and night in their season.

Psalm 104:19
He made the moon for the seasons; The sun knows the place
of its setting.


Psalm 89:37 ESV
Like the moon it shall be established forever, a faithful witness
in the skies.” Selah

Isaiah 66:23 ESV
From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath,
all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the Lord.

Deuteronomy 4:19 ESV / 24 helpful votes
And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you
see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of
heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve
them, things that the Lord your God has allotted to all the
peoples under the whole

blueAgent:





Time is not evil on its own or does it nullify the meaning of eternity.

More evidence that time will exist.

◄ Genesis 8:22
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold
and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not
cease.

Psalm 104:19 ESV
He made the moon to mark the seasons;
the sun knows its time for setting.

Psalm 136:7-9 ESV
to him who made the great lights,
for his steadfast love endures forever;
8 the sun to rule over the day,
for his steadfast love endures forever;
9 the moon and stars to rule over the night,
for his steadfast love endures


Jeremiah 31:35 ESV
Thus says the Lord,
who gives the sun for light by day
and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by
night,
who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—
the Lord of hosts is his name:


Jeremiah 33:20 King James Version (KJV)
Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day,
and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be
day and night in their season.

Psalm 104:19
He made the moon for the seasons; The sun knows the place
of its setting.


Psalm 89:37 ESV
Like the moon it shall be established forever, a faithful witness
in the skies.” Selah

Isaiah 66:23 ESV
From new moon to new moon, and from Sabbath to Sabbath,
all flesh shall come to worship before me, declares the Lord.

Deuteronomy 4:19 ESV / 24 helpful votes
And beware lest you raise your eyes to heaven, and when you
see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of
heaven, you be drawn away and bow down to them and serve
them, things that the Lord your God has allotted to all the
peoples under the whole

The scriptures are correct BUT with a clause: While the Earth Remains!

Unfortunately, this earth will NOT remain forever. And a key scripture is this

Rev 22:5:
"And there will be no night there. And they need no lamp, or light of the sun; for the Lord God gives them light. And they will reign forever and ever."

This looks like perpetual day time to me and if there is no sun, the moon is useless. If God is the light, time which is measured relative to night and day becomes meaningless

blueAgent:



Not everything in this Bible verse should be taken literally..

God is a spirit and we all know it was God that instituted time.

The Righteous would inherit the Earth, its logical to believe that the renewed Earth will still have daytime and nightime , ruled by Sun and Moon.

That Bible verse you quoted about a city (Rev21:23) is referring to the New Jerusalem which descends from Heaven from God there there would be no need for the sun or moon in Heaven.

But shortly after that verse John talks about the new Heavens and Earth.

The Earth, daytime and night time aswell as the Sun and moon, were all created before the fall of Adam.

I don't think God would abolish them in the new Earth.


Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

The question that you should ask is ,What is Time?

It's just an interval between physical events. Life is bliss when you are enjoying yourself outside time because, you will never get bored.

How do you think it will feel to know that you've been singing non-stop for 100 hours or 90 days straight?

blueAgent:


Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Come, humble yourselves and let's TEACH you what was written by our brothers (inspired Bible writers) for us to explain to you, we know you people want to know all these secrets but God have chosen those to whom he revealed the secret! Daniel 12:10

For your information, even fallen angels are everywhere today striving to know what you guys are trying to understand {1Peter 1:12} because God has kept them in darkness, meaning they're no more part of his organization so they don't know any of his plans! 2Peter 2:4; Jude 6

They're the ones agitating undercover when you hear religionists complaining that Jehovah's Witnesses aren't giving them the accurate date of their destruction, so we know it's not you people, otherwise you won't be needing the group you've labeled as CULT for any reason whatsoever, talkless thinking of their so called prophecies!

You'll continue to go astray each time you try to use your brains to discern this sacred secrets, your godly devotion will be worthless even to yourselves! 2Timothy 3:5-7

New Jerusalem simply means the 144,000 members of Christ's corulers, that's why God's word referred to them as VIRGINS {Revelations 14:4-5} means they served well as shepherds of God's people while they were on earth and they did not allow the kings of the earth (Politicians) to pollute (have SPIRITUAL sexual relations with) them. Unlike your own religious teachers who are dinning on two tables! Revelations 17:1-2

The figurative term "NEW JERUSALEM" is fitting since they will rule the earth just as orders and laws were issued out of the earthly Jerusalem during the reign of King David! Isaiah 2:3

They are the NEW HEAVENS that will continue to saturate the NEW EARTH (obedient humans), their constitution will be coined out of the thoughts, words and actions of Jesus Christ (the lamb). Revelations 21:23-24

Come and take life's water free before it's too late for you! Revelations 22:17

Jesus came by Birth.

He is The Way, The Truth and The Life Eternal.

He came normally like you and I.

He resurrected after He had prepared The Visas for The Righteous only, in The Grave.

The Resurrection is therefore The way, The Truth to Eternal Life for The Righteous.

Maximus69:


The 9,000,000 faithful souls working zealously to

Change people's hearts from thinking about wars! Isaiah 2:2-4

Unite obedient and humble people from all over the earth as a global family! John 17:20-23

Teaching them biblical counsels that's making them loyal and faithful husbands and wives.

Peace loving citizens everywhere they are!

So that same God who said to Abraham "if i found TEN righteous persons in the whole of Sodom and Gomorrah, i will spare the cities" Genesis 18:32

This same God will destroy all the earth because of wicked people. When he could just send down the angel of death the same way he did to kill only the first born of the enemies of his people in Egypt! Proverbs 2:20-22

Why is it so difficult for you people to realize that God only wanted to destroy the ungodly men {2Peter 3:7} and not everything he made with his hands simply because of wicked people! Genesis 8:21-22

Walahi Talahi you people are real clowns when someone who have carefully studied the Bible is examining your thoughts!

Feeling will not take you to Heaven, only God's word can.

Maximus69:


Come, humble yourselves and let's TEACH you what was written by our brothers (inspired Bible writers) for us to explain to you, we know you people want to know all these secrets but God have chosen those to whom he revealed the secret! Daniel 12:10

For your information, even fallen angels are everywhere today striving to know what you guys are trying to understand {1Peter 1:12} because God has kept them in darkness, meaning they're no more part of his organization so they don't know any of his plans! 2Peter 2:4; Jude 6

They're the ones agitating undercover when you hear religionists complaining that Jehovah's Witnesses aren't giving them the accurate date of their destruction, so we know it's not you people, otherwise you won't be needing the group you've labeled as CULT for any reason whatsoever, talkless thinking of their so called prophecies!

You'll continue to go astray each time you try to use your brains to discern this sacred secrets, your godly devotion will be worthless even to yourselves! 2Timothy 3:5-7

New Jerusalem simply means the 144,000 members of Christ's corulers, that's why God's word referred to them as VIRGINS {Revelations 14:4-5} means they served well as shepherds of God's people while they were on earth and they did not allow the kings of the earth (Politicians) to pollute (have SPIRITUAL sexual relations with) them. Unlike your own religious teachers who are dinning on two tables! Revelations 17:1-2

The figurative term "NEW JERUSALEM" is fitting since they will rule the earth just as orders and laws were issued out of the earthly Jerusalem during the reign of King David! Isaiah 2:3

They are the NEW HEAVENS that will continue to saturate the NEW EARTH (obedient humans), their constitution will be coined out of the thoughts, words and actions of Jesus Christ (the lamb). Revelations 21:23-24

Come and take life's water free before it's too late for you! Revelations 22:17

More false teachings.

shadeyinka:

The question that you should ask is ,What is Time?

It's just an interval between physical events. Life is bliss when you are enjoying yourself outside time because, you will never get bored.

How do you think it will feel to know that you've been singing non-stop for 100 hours or 90 days straight?

Thats what you think.

My opinion are not formed by my feelings or thoughts .

but by God's word. God said the moon would abide forever, that seasons would remain, that their would be one sabbath to another.

I might not understand what it all means but by faith I have accepted what God has written with regards to time.

shadeyinka:

The scriptures are correct BUT with a clause: While the Earth Remains!

Unfortunately, this earth will NOT remain forever. And a key scripture is this

Rev 22:5:
"And there will be no night there. And they need no lamp, or light of the sun; for the Lord God gives them light. And they will reign forever and ever."

This looks like perpetual day time to me and if there is no sun, the moon is useless. If God is the light, time which is measured relative to night and day becomes meaningless

You still don't get it.
This verse is not talking about literal Sun and moon.
Secondly this is Heaven been described in that verse and not Earth.

What do they need the Sun or moon for in Heaven?

Who said the Earth would not remain forever? the same Earth that the righteous would inherit.

blueAgent:


You still don't get it.
This verse is not talking about literal Sun and moon.
Secondly this is Heaven been described in that verse and not Earth.

What do they need the Sun or moon for in Heaven?

Who said the Earth would not remain forever? the same Earth that the righteous would inherit.

Is there no new heaven and a new earth?
Rev 3:12:
"Him who overcomes I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will go out no more. And I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of Heaven from My God, and My new name."

New Jerusalem come down to where?

Rev 21:1:
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth. For the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. And the sea no longer is."

And the bible speaks of how the earth will pass away

2Pet 3:10-12:
"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in [the] night, in which the heavens will pass away with a rushing noise , and [the] elements will melt with fervent heat . And the earth and the works in it will be burned up. Then, all these things being [about to be] dissolved, what sort ought you to be in holy behavior and godliness, looking for and rushing the coming of the Day of God, on account of which [the] heavens, being on fire, will melt away, and [the] elements will melt, burning with heat?"

Does this scripture sound figurative to you?

blueAgent:



Thats what you think.

My opinion are not formed by my feelings or thoughts .

but by God's word. God said the moon would abide forever, that seasons would remain, that their would be one sabbath to another.

I might not understand what it all means but by faith I have accepted what God has written with regards to time.

Did the bible say the moon will remain forever?

Let me ask you a simple question

1. After resurrection, would the saints have a glorified body?
2. Do you think the glorified body can suffer from exhaustion and tiredness?
3. If the glorified person should not have human weakn and limitations, do you think he needs to be forced to sleep?

Hence why would there still be nights if the saints do not get weary?

blueAgent:




Feeling will not take you to Heaven, only God's word can.

How many times do i have to tell you that

I'M NOT GOING TO HEAVEN i have no business there!

Earth is my home all i'm awaiting is the coming kingdom of God that will uproot, remove, get rid of evildoers! Proverbs 2:20-22; Psalms 37:7-11

So while i'm waiting, the feeling is assured as Jehovah's Witnesses are gathering meek ones throughout the earth in preparation for God's coming kingdom and i'm seeing the fulfilment already with my eyes of FAITH! Hebrew 11:1

blueAgent:



More false teachings.

False teachings shey?

Please where is yours that's TRUE and the evidence? James 2:18-26

All you're doing is arguing always with your friends, this has blurred your spiritual sight to the point that even while you can't preach effectively due to confusion in your midst, you're still condemning those whose faith is WORKING globally!

Now i can understand why the Jews in the first century stubbornly refused to believe in Jesus despite all the fine works he was doing all around them!

You people aren't meek at heart, pride is all over you so even when God's people are doing fine works worthy of praise around you, as long as they didn't acknowledge you as men of God as you so much desire, you will condemn all their fine works saying it's evil! Isaiah 5:20

Maximus69:


How many times do i have to tell you that

I'M NOT GOING TO HEAVEN i have no business there!

Earth is my home all i'm awaiting is the coming kingdom of God that will uproot, remove, get rid of evildoers! Proverbs 2:20-22; Psalms 37:7-11

So while i'm waiting, the feeling is assured as Jehovah's Witnesses are gathering meek ones throughout the earth in preparation for God's coming kingdom and i'm seeing the fulfilment already with my eyes of FAITH! Hebrew 11:1

False teachings and doctrine would not take you into God's kingdom.

shadeyinka:

Did the bible say the moon will remain forever?

Let me ask you a simple question

1. After resurrection, would the saints have a glorified body?
2. Do you think the glorified body can suffer from exhaustion and tiredness?
3. If the glorified person should not have human weakn and limitations, do you think he needs to be forced to sleep?

Hence why would there still be nights if the saints do not get weary?

Yes the resurrected saints would have a glorified body.


God also rested on the 7the day after his creation of the Earth, was it due to exhaustation ?

shadeyinka:

Is there no new heaven and a new earth?
Rev 3:12:
"Him who overcomes I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will go out no more. And I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of Heaven from My God, and My new name."

New Jerusalem come down to where?

Rev 21:1:
"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth. For the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. And the sea no longer is."

And the bible speaks of how the earth will pass away

2Pet 3:10-12:
"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in [the] night, in which the heavens will pass away with a rushing noise , and [the] elements will melt with fervent heat . And the earth and the works in it will be burned up. Then, all these things being [about to be] dissolved, what sort ought you to be in holy behavior and godliness, looking for and rushing the coming of the Day of God, on account of which [the] heavens, being on fire, will melt away, and [the] elements will melt, burning with heat?"

Does this scripture sound figurative to you?

Does a new Earth mean that there would be no more sun and Moon?

blueAgent:



False teachings and doctrine would not take you into God's kingdom.

It's easy to call it false but disproving the doctrines is what you'll never be able to do!

WHY?

Jesus himself said "FALSE TEACHINGS can't yield the type of positivity that's obvious amongst Jehovah's Witnesses globally today!" Matthew 7:16-18

So STOP DECEIVING YOUR OWN SOUL!

blueAgent:



Does a new Earth mean that there would be no more sun and Moon?

Certainly, no more SUN. And if there is no sun, the moon even if it exists is useless.
Rev 7:16:
"They shall hunger no more, nor thirst any more; nor should the sun fall upon them, neither any heat."

Rev 21:23:
"And the city has no need of the sun , nor of the moon, that they shine in her: for the glory of God enlightened her, and her light the Lamb."

Rev 22:5:
"And night shall not be there; and they have no need of a lamp, and the light of the sun ; for the Lord God shall enlighten them: and they shall reign for ever and ever."

God Himself is their LIGHT!

blueAgent:



Yes the resurrected saints would have a glorified body.


God also rested on the 7the day after his creation of the Earth, was it due to exhaustation ?

God resting is another term to mean CEASED from active creation.

But then a glorified body wouldn't need to rest from anything (or do you think their would be labour in the new earth ?)

What is the purpose of the night?
If God is their LIGHT, would there ever be darkness?

shadeyinka:
Did the bible say the moon will remain forever?

Let me ask you a simple question
1. After resurrection, would the saints have a glorified body?
2. Do you think the glorified body can suffer from exhaustion and tiredness?
3. If the glorified person should not have human weakn and limitations, do you think he needs to be forced to sleep?

Hence why would there still be nights if the saints do not get weary?

blueAgent:
Yes the resurrected saints would have a glorified body.
God also rested on the 7the day after his creation of the Earth, was it due to exhaustation ?

Yes, the bible say the moon will remain forever, in fact twice the bible, at least, said it

MuttleyLaff:


Yes, the bible say the moon will remain forever, in fact twice the bible, at least, said it

I don't mind seeing a Bible quote to show this

Rev 21:23
: "And the city has no need of the sun, nor of the moon , that they shine in her: for the glory of God enlightened her, and her light the Lamb."


Isa 60:19:
"The sun shall be no more to thee for light by day, and for brightness the moon shall not shine to thee : and Jehovah was to thee for an eternal light, and thy God for thy glory."

shadeyinka:
I don't mind seeing a Bible quote to show this

Rev 21:23: "
And the city has no need of the sun, nor of the moon , that they shine in her: for the glory of God enlightened her, and her light the Lamb."

Isa 60:19:
"The sun shall be no more to thee for light by day, and for brightness the moon shall not shine to thee : and Jehovah was to thee for an eternal light, and thy God for thy glory."

"Like the moon it shall be established forever, a faithful witness in the skies.” Selah"
- Psalm 89:37

"May they fear you as long as the sun shines, as long as the moon remains in the sky. Yes, forever!"
- Psalm 72:5

Your wish is my command. Heres two for the price of one

shadeyinka:

I don't mind seeing a Bible quote to show this

Rev 21:23
: "And the city has no need of the sun, nor of the moon , that they shine in her: for the glory of God enlightened her, and her light the Lamb."


Isa 60:19:
"The sun shall be no more to thee for light by day, and for brightness the moon shall not shine to thee : and Jehovah was to thee for an eternal light, and thy God for thy glory."

Wow! wow!! wow!!!

See the understanding of so called born again miracle performers!

SUN and MOON will not exist again because that's what is written in his copy of the Bible, so that must be the meaning!

Well we will tell you whether you choose to listen or ignore!

Before Jesus came to the earth, the Sun and the Moon stopped functioning completely {Joel 2:31} this happened when all the religious teachers in Israel lost their spiritual sight and spiritual darkness fell upon the whole earth, since all other nations having faith in the God of Abraham were looking forward to Jewish religious setting. Jesus came and served as the light for humble and obedient people! John 8:12;9:5

That's why he declared to his listeners that they shouldn't call anyone their (spiritual) Father because God is their Father! Matthew 23:8


So what God's word is saying is that in God's kingdom we will not need spiritual Fathers (Sun) or Mothers (Moon) anymore.

Note what Jesus said about stars falling from the heavens! Matthew 24:29

This means rebellious angels helping false prophets to perform fake signs will be driven out of heaven {Revelations 12:9} but before then he said "the Sun will be darkened and the moon will not give it's light" meaning all the religions people are running to for spiritual insight on planet earth will fail to produce the fruit befitting God's people!
That's the meaning Sir!

The literal Sun and Moon will remain forever and ever! Psalms 72:5 ; 89:36,37

Maximus69:
Wow! wow!! wow!!!

See the understanding of so called born again miracle performers!

SUN and MOON will not exist again because that's what is written in his copy of the Bible, so that must be the meaning!

Well we will tell you whether you choose to listen or ignore!

Before Jesus came to the earth, the Sun and the Moon stopped functioning completely {Joel 2:31} this happened when all the religious teachers in Israel lost their spiritual sight and spiritual darkness fell upon the whole earth, since all other nations having faith in the God of Abraham were looking forward to Jewish religious setting. Jesus came and served as the light for humble and obedient people! John 8:12;9:5

That's why he declared to his listeners that they shouldn't call anyone their (spiritual) Father because God is their Father! Matthew 23:8

So what God's word is saying is that in God's kingdom we will not need spiritual Fathers (Sun) or Mothers (Moon) anymore.

Note what Jesus said about stars falling from the heavens! Matthew 24:29

This means rebellious angels helping false prophets to perform fake signs will be driven out of heaven {Revelations 12:9} but before then he said "the Sun will be darkened and the moon will not give it's light" meaning all the religions people are running to for spiritual insight on planet earth will fail to produce the fruit befitting God's people!
That's the meaning Sir!

The literal Sun and Moon will remain forever and ever! Psalms 72:5 ; 89:36,37

Yes ooo. The sun and moon will be there, for the sake of appearance rather than for use

MuttleyLaff:
Yes ooo. The sun and moon will be there, for the sake of appearance rather than for use

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

In the beginning God created these two huge objects for a purpose. So if Adam and Eve sinned and God finally redeemed obedient humans back to himself, his purpose for making the Sun and Moon in the beginning remains!