Maximus69:

(1)
@ Matthew 5:3 Jesus said this set will inherit heaven!

@ Matthew 5:5 Jesus said this set will inherit the earth!

(2)
@ Revelations 14:1 said 144,000 will be on mount Zion!

@ Revelations 14:6 said great crowd that is uncountable will be on earth!


(3)
@ John 14:1-4 Jesus promised to carry this set to heaven!

@ John 10:16 Jesus said he had other sheep which are not of the same fold with the first little flock! Like 12:32

I understand that you people have been taught that all good and bad people will be taken to heaven and hell respectably but that doesn't mean everyone will close their ears to some other religious group saying it's not so!

Maximus69:

(1)
@ Matthew 5:3 Jesus said this set will inherit heaven!

@ Matthew 5:5 Jesus said this set will inherit the earth!

(2)
@ Revelations 14:1 said 144,000 will be on mount Zion!

@ Revelations 14:6 said great crowd that is uncountable will be on earth!


(3)
@ John 14:1-4 Jesus promised to carry this set to heaven!

@ John 10:16 Jesus said he had other sheep which are not of the same fold with the first little flock! Like 12:32

I understand that you people have been taught that all good and bad people will be taken to heaven and hell respectably but that doesn't mean everyone will close their ears to some other religious group saying it's not so!

shadeyinka:

The seemingly elementary questions poke huge holes in your doctrine.

If hell was a literal fire, how hot do you expect it to be. If you drop a person in the lake of fire, how long do you expect him to live? Would you say such will have time to gnash their teeth?

shadeyinka:
Because I made you see the absurdity of your position?

shadeyinka:

The seemingly elementary questions poke huge holes in your doctrine.

If hell was a literal fire, how hot do you expect it to be. If you drop a person in the lake of fire, how long do you expect him to live? Would you say such will have time to gnash their teeth?

blueAgent:
  Resurrection is defined as the raising of dead back to life .
The resurrection of the dead is paramount and central to Christ teachings and God's plan for Man's salvation.
When Adam and Eve sinned against God, they brought death upon humanity( for the wages of sin is death) Christ by his death has earned us eternal life which necessicitate or require the resurrection.
IMPORTANTANCE OF THE RESSURECTION.
1. It is the hope of the saints and believers.
Paul taught the early christains that our faith and believe in Christ would be in vain if there was no hope of resurrection. This raises a valid question if the saints are in Heaven as soon as they die why do we then hope for the resurrection.
The truth is that  there is no reward in death, the dead in Christ are asleep they are not in Heaven or conscious or alive in any way but are totally asleep just as the Bible says. Psalm104:29,psalm146:4,Eccl9:5-6,Job14:12.

In Paul's words if our hope in this life is only in Christ without the hope of resurrection which only Christ can give then we are of all men most miserable 1cor15:29-end,Acts 2:26.


2.The reward for believers: Christ promised to raise those who believe in him on the last day, so resurrection is the reward of the believers john6:40.

3.A point of physical transformation:God would not permit us to enter Heaven with our tinted and weak bodies (human nature).
God has promised the saints that they will receive incorruptible body and nature at the resurrection.the resurrected saints will be like Christ. David look forth to this day as he wrote in Psalms 17:15,1cor 15:1-end.

4. A point of punishment for the unbeliever's: People have been erroneously taught that the soul and spirits of the unjust is cast into Hell, this is unbibilcal.If the soul or spirit of the dead is what is punished in Hell then there would have not be need for the resurrection of the unjust, the Bible is clear  on this subject, the just and unjust will be resurrected judged and rewarded according to their works.
The unjust body will be cast into the lake of  fire the whole body will be destroyed or killed the 2nd time the Bible calls this the second death.Jesus taught his disciples on this.Rev20:12,john5:28, Dan 12:2,Nahum 1:9-10.


5.Resurrection is a sign of Christ victory over sin and death.

6.Resurrection is part of God's plan for salvation of man this was made manifest through Christ's death and resurrection,1Corinthians15:23-26,Luke20:35-38,John6:54.

7.Resurrection is a consequences of Man's fall that brought death and Christ sacrifice that brought eternal life, hence the  resurrection 1cor25:22, 2cor15:42.

8.Resurrection is a mark or seal to distinguish the just and the unjust,
The Bible states that their will be two resurrection. The first  resurrection which is the resurrection of the just and the second which occurs 1000yrs after the first and is called the resurrection of the unjust. Rev20:4-7,Rev20:12-15, john5:28-29.

In Conclusion.
As we have seen and learnt the resurrection is central to God's plan for  man's redemption, without the resurrection our faith is in vain  and as Apostle Paul puts it  we are of all men most miserable.
Thank God for his wonderful plan and Jesus who made it possible through his death and victory.
To God be all glory and honour.

Thank you for reading.

Maximus69:
The resurrection is God's plan to reward the loyal ones (righteous) and those who only lived by conscience without formal knowledge of the true God, these ones God referred to as unrighteous!

Both will be resurrected back to life on planet earth NOT heaven! Act 24:15

God's original purpose for mankind is to live FOREVER on this planet, that's why all those faithful servants of God always talked about their hope of living again ON EARTH! Psalms 37:9-11, 29, Proverbs 2:20-21, Isaiah 65:21-25

But why did the story changed after the coming of Jesus the one called (Messiah)?

God's plan is for a government to be led by a PERFECT incorruptible human who will lead all obedient humans back to God {Isaiah 9:6-7} there is none of Adam's descendants who qualifies for this {Psalms 49:7-9} so God has to transform one of his angelic sons into an embryo and put him in the womb of a Jewish virgin.

This perfect man will
©Teach humans what God had in mind for creating them.
©Assemble a governing body in Jerusalem (the city where God chose for the sit of his government)
©Lay down his perfect human life as a ransom sacrifice for the sin brought upon humans by Adam.
©Resurrected and go back to his own home in heaven where he came from.
©His government will see to it that the earth is filled with the accurate knowledge of God.
©Disobedient ones will be exterminated by the resurrected Christ who will lead the angels in heaven to come and destroy all the enemies of God.

But Jerusalem has been profaned with the blood of so many faithful servants of God, the Jews kept killing all those sent to help them return to God's favour of having this government on their soil. Matthew 23:37-38

So Jesus begged his father for him to secure a place in heaven for this governing body who will be selected amongst his loyalists. John 17:1-26

Even Jesus' followers were devastated when he pronounced woe on Jerusalem (the place where they expected to stay and rule with him) that's why he revealed them the new plan! John 14:1-4, 15:15

That's how the idea of going to heaven became part of the plan, God will select only amongst the Christians who have been taught by his only begotten son to rule in heaven with the Christ.

Jesus said "of all those born by women there has never risen a man greater than John the baptist but the least in the kingdom is greater than John"
Matthew 11:11

This is so because John the baptist was the last prophet who saw and baptized the promised Messiah, but since he was not oppotuned to live as one of his students he can't be part of those going to heaven, his reward will be that of all other faithful servants of God before him which is a resurrection on planet earth.

John will be the greatest for two main reason!

First he is the one and only prophet who saw God's anointed one (Messiah) face to face, secondly John will be the only person who will tell us how Jesus really look like, his behaviour, his mother, brothers and sisters and so many other things we might wish to know about the man Jesus, because all the first century Christians who walked with Jesus were BORN AGAIN, meaning they're all going to heaven.

And none of those who live with him yet failed to believe in him will be resurrected back to life, they have been judged already {John 3:18} except the THIEF with whom Jesus personally made a promised of living in Paradise!

Thanks!

TruthHurts100:


So, if one dies, and he either goes to heaven or hell as the lies go.... Then when is resurrection?

Maximus69:


It's ok Sir, i was saying all that because the guy of course have nothing to say after knowing he has spewed rubbish about Adam and Eve having access to both Heaven and Earth!

Meanwhile you have your friends who are enjoying fruitless arguments regarding talks talks and talks, my teachers are the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, whether you agree or not know now that Jesus has appointed them to continue feeding his sheep in this last days, and if you're not learning from them there is no way you can have a spiritual family of peace loving brothers and sisters in the Lord like i do, you'll continue to argue and argue and argue everywhere you go with those you claim are your so called brethren!

Jesus said you people will be SCATTERED {Luke 11:23} and it's obvious that even when you guys are worshipping under the same roof, you people are not in agreement on so many issues unlike the true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) who have humbled themselves under those APPOINTED by the Chief Connerstone himself! Matthew 24:45

shadeyinka:

Annihilate is just one out of seven synonyms. It therefore cannot be the only definition for devour!

A human being is a body, a soul and a spirit.
If angels are spirit and soul yet conscious
What make you think that a human being devoid of only his body is unconscious?

Mat 22:32:
"I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."

What do you think Jesus was teaching with the scripture below?
Luk 16:23:
"And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."

For it looks like Jesus believe in continuous existence after death.

If God is a God of justice, should he judge satan for rebelling against Him and sowing great evil in the universe?

blueAgent:


Did you read the article?
No one goes to Heaven or Hell after they die, until the resurrection day.

shadeyinka:

Just like the brotherhood of the moon and star you are no different.

This scripture fits you well
2Tim 3:2-5:
"... having a form of godliness, but denying the power of it ; even turn away from these."

Maximus (leave others alone), tell me if Christ Jesus has empowered you to do His work and you have not sent yourself.
In the parable of the talents: If the master gave talents to his servants to do his own work, what is that which Jesus specifically gave you to do His work?

Eph 4:11-14:
"And truly He gave some [to be] apostles, and some [to be] prophets, and some [to be] evangelists, and some [to be] pastors and teachers, for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ. And this until we all come into the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a full-grown man, to [the] measure of [the] stature of the fullness of Christ; so that we no longer may be infants, tossed to and fro and carried about by every wind of doctrine, in the dishonesty of men, in cunning craftiness, to the wiles of deceit."

blueAgent:

You can imagine the crap this false teachers(JW) are teaching.
The Earth they claim will be theirs is saved for judgement and destruction by Fire.
Wakeup.

blueAgent:



https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/29/t/heaven--is-it-for-real-

blueAgent:



This is what I call cut and sew.

You lift bible verses out of context to promote false doctrines and lies.
See logic.

(1)What if am poor in Spirit and and also meek?

(2)Where is Zion?

blueAgent:

You cannot even understand yourself.

What's your argument that Hell is not a literal fire or what?

blueAgent:


The truth on Soul Spirit and body.
www.end-times-prophecy.org/spirit-soul-body-after-death.html

blueAgent:


https://rcg.org/books/dtsgth.html

Maximus69:


That's where you missed the mark Sir!

I am not the saviour (Jesus Christ) neither am i Apostle Paul who was chosen to connect people of the nations to Jesus.

Check all the words of the early Christians and see if each one believes in his effort to do anything.

For your information, you'll always find the word "WE" in their letters, meaning they're always working as a team.
So that each one's work complements the other {1Corinthians 3:6} that's why i keep asking you to tell everyone here who are your associates so that if someone travels to a far distant land he could easily recognize them as fellow workers in the Lord like Shadeyinka.
You guy are all Nigerian and you've been arguing against one another here, so who are your own brothers and sisters in the Lord with whom you are in agreement?

This are my brothers and sisters in other countries throughout the earth, we all have the same line of thought in our teachings! Romans 15:5-6, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3

If you don't have such a family, then your Jesus is FAKE because the original talked and fervently prayed to God for his followers to be united in faith and for them to be recognisable, and also to be able to identify themselves anywhere they could be found! Matthew 5:14-16, John 17:20-23

See the pictures below!

shadeyinka:

Just hear yourself. Is there anything special with having an agreement with your cult?

James Warren Jones lead his church to willing suicide in Jonestown Guyana (Peoples Temple Christian Church Full Gospel). "They loved each other enough to die together", they believed the same doctrine. FYI, Jim fought against racial discrimination etc.
So what is special with a cult you call FAMILY.

The heavenly race is NOT a collective race. It is a personal race.

I ask you again: is there any evidence that Christ works in YOU?

Maximus69:


Pharisees also work together as a team in their ambitions but that doesn't mean you have to worship God without sound collective ideas !

As for your question the one and only evidence Jesus himself give is unity and love within the group claiming Christians! John 13:34-35, 17:20-25

Surely any person will love himself or herself first but that can't be noticed if it doesn't involve many UNITED in LOVE! Matthew 5:14-16

So there is nothing you can do or say about worship, if those two are missing then it couldn't have been from Jesus of Nazareth!

shadeyinka:





Hell is different from lake of fire. Both are not pleasant places to be though.

Literal physical fire can burn biological beings but cannot burn satan and the fallen angels (except God deem it so). But one thing is sure, as physical fire is, whether spirits or not, it wouldn't matter as it is a place of judgement.

All spirits except Jehovah God who is the source of every spirit has a beginning and can only die the second death.

Maximus69:


Go and first unite yourselves as Jesus prophesied about his own true followers before coming out to convince others to join you in worshipping your Jesus! John 17:20-23

TruthHurts100:


I see, so they will be resurrected. They will then we judged. Then if guilty.... They will be killed again and if not guilty... They must die again before going to heaven.

Think before you reply me with that rapture crap... I set a trap for you.

Maximus69:


(1)By saying POOR IN SPIRIT Jesus was referring to his Jewish people of the first century who believed that they're poor spiritually speaking, all such ones came to learn from Jesus and because the promise of the kingdom of heaven originally belongs to the Jews (Abraham's descendants) all of them that remained in that group got the heavenly invitation @ Pentecost! Act 2:1-4

The MEEK means people from all the earth who realized that the one and only true God is that of Israel. All such people will humbly surrender their lives to live in harmony with the principles set by this God and so when this God comes to destroy all rebellious descendants of Adam, such people will be spared! Zephaniah 2:2-3

(2) Jerusalem is situated on a mountain and that's why it's called mount Zion, the significance of this mountain is that it's the place God promised that his Kingdom will be established on David's throne! Isaiah 9:7,16:5

But the Jews kept profaning this place until they finally rendered it not fitting for such a glorious site {Matthew 23:35-38} that's why Jesus after noticing how devastated his followers are as soon as they heard all the evil that's coming upon Jerusalem {Matthew 24:1} he made them know God's next plan for those who supposed to rule as Jesus' corulers in Jerusalem, he told them that another better arrangement has been put in place for them! John 14:1-4

That's how Zion (the seat of God's Kingdom) which supposed to be Jerusalem on planet Earth now taken to Heaven!

I don't know how old you are but there was a time when Lagos was the capital of Nigeria but it was later moved with all the governmental seat to Abuja, and there was a time when New York was the capital of USA but it was later moved to Washington DC!

Though humans have their reasons for moving the seat of their government from one place to another, but God's purpose is clear "he will not have his name and his kingdom in a place where the inhabitants detests holiness" Psalm 95:11, Hebrew 3:11,4:5

shadeyinka:

Time will tell which Unity is most important![/b]

Your boast in what your organisation has done is meaningless!

blueAgent:


This does not prove that the saved will inherit different kingdoms.

blueAgent:



Where is it written that Hell is different from Lake of Fire?

Maximus69:


I love those two statements Sir!

Time will tell.

And

Boasting of one's unequalled achievement.

First of all, with time all of you will turn your backs on those religious organizations one by one as you're doing presently and later atheists will finally stop all your activities. Then you'll know the one and only organization having God's approval, when adherents of that one continue worshipping as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally!

Well Jesus was questioned regarding his authority claiming the one and only teacher having God's approval. His response was "what i've achieved so far is enough to bear witness that i'm the anointed son of God (Christ)" John 10:38

As i always say, i was a Muslim when i noticed the fine works of Jehovah's Witnesses amongst all the religions on this planet claiming worshipers of God.

So i'm not boasting of my organization per say, what i'm saying is "i've found the one and only organization belonging to Jesus of Nazareth!"

blueAgent:


Its obvious you have poor understanding.

Who said that people have to die to enter Heaven?
Am sure I never wrote that.

The wicked will be resurrected judged and killed the second time in Hell.
Not my word but God's word.

1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Apostle Paul here was saying WE. who are those he was referring too, is it all of us? Now let's see what Jesus Christ himself said John 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Have you asked yourself why Jesus Christ only made covenant with just 11 of his followers (the Apostles) and not the entire disciples?


15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?


Luke 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

shadeyinka:

All I can see is your boast in your organisation. Time will tell and I hope it wouldn't be too late for you to embrace Christ above all that is named!

Maximus69:


If you're not one of the students of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, it's understandable that you don't know a single thing about Jesus of Nazareth!

So your Jesus that failed to unite all his followers contradicting themselves on doctrines is FAKE Sir!

shadeyinka:

What an impostor!!!

I found a scripture that so perfectly describes you

Mat 22:11-14:
"And the king coming in to look over the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment. And he said to him, Friend, how did you come in here without having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then the king said to the servants, Bind him hand and foot and take him away, and cast [him] into outer darkness. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few chosen."

You are an impostor who put on the uniform of an organisation rather than putting on Christ

Rom 13:14:
"But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not take thought beforehand for the lusts of the flesh."

My boast shall always be in the Lord Jesus Christ and not on any organisation!

Maximus69:


Your Christ failed to unite his followers,so it is FAKE!