RisenPhoenix:


Give us another analogy for O&G, Orthopaedics or Paediatrics. What specific courses do lecturers in those fields have to get a 2.5 year Phd in, to 'know better' than a consultant with a 6 year residency please?



A Phd takes 2 years max if one is committed. Residency is a 5-6 year journey with publications and exhaustive work experience. How does a Phd holder qualify to he a better teacher than a consultant please?

PhD 2 years maximum? Fear God ooo

yinchar:
What a bunch of illiterate medical doctors saying "PhD is cosmetics"

All over the world, a PhD or equivalent is required as a minimum qualification to join academic positions at lecturer level and above at any University.

A PhD exposes one to a narrower field but at greater depth and understanding.

Most medical doctors that are teaching our medical students are just holders of MBBS which is a Bachelors degree equivalent to having BTech or BSc in Engineering. However, with residency periods, we can subjectively agree/disagree its equivalent (but not) to Masters.

Irrespective of the aforementioned, to be a lecturer in a proper University you need to have a PhD, there is no shortcut about it.

the number of likes ignorant posts like this are getting makes me wonder. The people are ignorant and they know it not.

obi4eze:


Maybe NUC actually goofed by allowing them lecture and become Professors without PhD in the past but it seems they realized their error.

The consultants want to continue becoming Professors without PhD. I laugh! Do they actually know the rigors of becoming a PhD holder?
They are not bigger than NUC that regulates them so if NUC says they cant become Professors without PhD then they should either join their colleagues who go on to acquire PhD or get out.

Seeing that they have successfully achieved professorship without the PhD and gone on to train young doctors to achieving such as well as their studies and research gaining international recognition, what is the use of the PhD for Medical Consultants?

They should fire Consultants and higher who?

allthingsgood:
iF they strike FG should sack all of them and hire capable hands idiats!

danilmo:

And hope u ll take over their teaching Job

Those with the proper qualification will take over. Will the strike solve it?

1StopRudeness:


No one said they shouldn’t practice medicine... the NUC is only regulrizing their policy on lecturing qualification....why should doctors have an exception and be allowed to lecture with only their first degree..

The reason why doctors should have an exception is Medicine is a practical profession. All over the world when doctors qualify they often choose to SPECIALIZE
specialization is a practical pathway and a Specialist doctor is at the top of his game
A Phd can go through a year without writing a single prescription ot touching a patient with his hands

Thus only a tiny number of doctors do Phds and in some specialties none do.
Around the world specialist doctors linked to medical schools are given Honorary Lecturerships
That is the nature of medicine
Doctors doing Orthopaedics need to go to Igbobi to train under specialists not Phds

The key word is TRAINING

How many universities courses can be described as TRAINING?

If with the level of decay in our Medical Practice in Nigeria, Doctors are planning on going on with strike, then we are for a big mess.
I remembered and saw how people were being rushed to the hospital and died in 2009 because there were no doctors to attend to them at LUTH, LASUTH and Gbagada as a result of just 2weeks strike by doctors. That was when Nigeria was still even good and medics affordable, Not now that it's so expensive and scarce, because we are busy fighting corruption and neglected the important issues we out to face squarely like Medicine, Security, Power, Food and Housing... If this strike holds, Nigeria may record the most Mortality rate in this country's history.
THIS STRIKE MUST NOT HOLD BY EVERY MEANS.


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Las las PhD go scatter everywhere tire....

For example if you have PhD in surgery but not pediatrics surgery, can you teach pediatric surgery Now if you have PhD in pediatric surgery but not pediatric surgical oncology can you teach pediatric surgical oncology?
There will be PhD in ophthalmology sub specialties, general surgery sub specialties,
Neurosurgery subspecialties, orthopaedic subspecialties, plastic surgery subspecialties ..... Etc... Haba. Surgery alone have thousand sub specialties.

Now who will be the supervisors? Will they come from Mars

NUC una dey reason at all

DominusPrime:

Seeing that they have successfully achieved professorship without the PhD and gone on to train young doctors to achieving such as well as their studies and research gaining international recognition, what is the use of the PhD for Medical Consultants?

I doubt you can become a Professor without either MD or Phd

LawLord247:


It really beats me. To come to think that people are clutching unto more than one job in a country where a larger percentage are unemployed is outright greed and wickedness.

..... even worse its not like they will do the 2 jobs satisfactorily. Its just for the salary and the title that comes with the job.... an opportunity to bully people and form oga.

Jaqenhghar:
..... even worse its not like they will do the 2 jobs satisfactorily. Its just for the salary and the title that comes with the job.... an opportunity to bully people and form oga.

It is never too late to go to medical school

NUC is not fair here. I know the rigors of becoming a consultant. Not to even talk about the fact it takes 7 years to qualify as a medical doctor. After all that you should do a PhD? In one lifetime or two.
My kid brother who is a resident doctor has no time for himself. But PhD students are not seen in school for weeks.

Until we begin to value what we can do than paper certification, we are not going to make progress.

obi4eze:


Maybe NUC actually goofed by allowing them lecture and become Professors without PhD in the past but it seems they realized their error.

The consultants want to continue becoming Professors without PhD. I laugh! Do they actually know the rigors of becoming a PhD holder?
They are not bigger than NUC that regulates them so if NUC says they cant become Professors without PhD then they should either join their colleagues who go on to acquire PhD or get out.

You are wrong, in medicine there two career paths for lecturers those who chose basic medical sciences and those who choose clinical sciences, those in basic medical sciences they sure must have PhD and no one is contesting that but for those in clinical sciences they don't need a PhD because they undergo a different pattern of postgraduate training which is called residency for which after a minimum of 6 years if you pass all your exams as when due you become a fellow, now before this issue fellowship is what you need to teach in clinical sciences, you can Google that even you developed countries also fellowship is higher than PhD, while PhD is just purely academic, fellowship is a combination of both academic and clinical (hospital) based experience, now asking someone who has done residency for like 6-10 years that is now a professor to go back and do PhD doesn't make sense, it's just a way to spite the doctors so we can give them a bad name.

0m0nnakoda:

I doubt you can become a Professor without either MD or Phd

All over the world as a fellow, you don't need PhD to become a professor all you need is research why are we always in a hurry to do rubbish because of hatred ??

0m0nnakoda:

The reason why doctors should have an exception is Medicine is a practical profession. All over the world when doctors qualify they often choose to SPECIALIZE
specialization is a practical pathway and a Specialist doctor is at the top of his game
A Phd can go through a year without writing a single prescription ot touching a patient with his hands

Thus only a tiny number of doctors do Phds and in some specialties none do.
Around the world specialist doctors linked to medical schools are given Honorary Lecturerships
That is the nature of medicine
Doctors doing Orthopaedics need to go to Igbobi to train under specialists not Phds

The key word is TRAINING

How many universities courses can be described as TRAINING?

What are u saying?? what has ur specialization gotta do with fulfilling the requirement of carrying out novel, independent research and documenting ur findings.....
Specialize all u want, train other doctors on the job all u want ..no one is stopping you from doing that .
You are claiming doctors in other countries are given honorary lecturership..is this an automatic title after graduation from medical school...
In this abroad you are talking Do u know there are doctors that don’t just practice only but also engage in research like molecular biologist to find cure, to develop disease biomarkers both at cell, animal model and clinical level...??

the NUC is saying u need a PhD to lecture undergraduate students and u are saying ur first degree should be enuf because ur course is a training course...that’s how u guys suddenly dash urself professor of medicine.... there should be order to these things...

TonyeBarcanista:

The directive didn't say doctors should get PhD qualification, it simply say Doctors should get the qualification if they that want to go into teaching (in Units)

It's still half the same thing.
Cos one half of the doctors we have are already into teaching.
They fail to understand that teaching in medical school especially after 300 level is more of what the students see.
So far av not come across inefficient teaching methods from any doctor, cos in medical school, even if a doctor's style of teaching is archaic or something, u have more than 2 doctors teaching u that course.

Ghostmode2two:


Those with the proper qualification will take over. Will the strike solve it?

There are none with PhD in surgery or PhD in cardiology or PhD in neurosurgery so none would take over

yinchar:
What a bunch of illiterate medical doctors saying "PhD is cosmetics"

All over the world, a PhD or equivalent is required as a minimum qualification to join academic positions at lecturer level and above at any University.

A PhD exposes one to a narrower field but at greater depth and understanding.

Most medical doctors that are teaching our medical students are just holders of MBBS which is a Bachelors degree equivalent to having BTech or BSc in Engineering. However, with residency periods, we can subjectively agree/disagree its equivalent (but not) to Masters.

Irrespective of the aforementioned, to be a lecturer in a proper University you need to have a PhD, there is no shortcut about it.

wats the full meaning of MBBS after answering that the read your comment again

blowjohn:


It's still half the same thing.
Cos one half of the doctors we have are already into teaching.
They fail to understand that teaching in medical school especially after 300 level is more of what the students see.
So far av not come across inefficient teaching methods from any doctor, cos in medical school, even if a doctor's style of teaching is archaic or something, u have more than 2 doctors teaching u that course.

Nigerians are the worst illiterate, that the people who claim to be informed in this forum don't know the difference between clinical sciences and basic medical sciences is a shame, in my time in medical school you can't compare the knowledge of consultant to that of even PhD or professor in basic medical sciences.

Doctors in basic medical sciences need PhD to lecture that has been the culture ever since but those in clinical sciences all over the world do not need a PhD to lecture clinical medicine

Doctor of Philosophy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Philosophy
A Doctor of Philosophy (PhD, Ph.D., or DPhil; Latin philosophiae doctor or doctor philosophiae) is the highest university degree that is conferred after a course of study by universities in most countries. PhDs are awarded for programs across the whole breadth of academic fields. As an earned research degree, those studying for a PhD are usually required to produce original research that expands the boundaries of knowledge, normally in the form of a thesis or dissertation, and defend their work against experts in the field. The completion of a PhD is often a requirement for employment as a university professor, researcher, or scientist in many fields.

Doctor of Medicine
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Medicine
Doctor of Medicine (abbreviated M.D., from the Latin Medicinae Doctor) is a medical degree, the meaning of which varies between different jurisdictions. In the United States, Canada and some other countries, the M.D. denotes a professional graduate degree awarded upon graduation from medical school. In the United States, this generally arose because many in 18th century medical professions trained in Scotland, which used the M.D. degree nomenclature. In England, however, Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery was used and eventually in the 19th century became the standard in Scotland too. Thus, in the United Kingdom, Ireland and other countries, the M.D. is a research doctorate, higher doctorate, honorary doctorate or applied clinical degree restricted to those who already hold a professional degree in medicine; in those countries, the equivalent professional to the North American and some others use of M.D. is still typically titled Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery (M.B.B.S.).

Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Medicine,_Bachelor_of_Surgery
Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery, or in Latin: Medicinae Baccalaureus Baccalaureus Chirurgiae (abbreviated in many ways, e.g. MBBS, MB ChB, MB BCh, MB BChir (Cantab), BM BCh (Oxon), BMBS), are the two first professional degrees in medicine and surgery awarded upon graduation from medical school by universities in countries that follow the tradition of the United Kingdom. The historical degree nomenclature states that they are two separate undergraduate degrees; however, in practice, they are usually combined as one and conferred together, and may also be awarded at graduate-level medical schools. In countries that follow the system in the United States, the equivalent medical degree is awarded as Doctor of Medicine (MD) or Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (DO) (the latter in the United States only).

Bennycollins:
They should fire Consultants and higher who?

Must u consult in a teaching hospital

its a TEACHING hospital for Gods sake!

Oracle23:


Hire who?

Doctors with PhD who can actually teach

0m0nnakoda:

It is never too late to go to medical school

True. Maybe I will

ijustdey:


https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/doctors-to-embark-on-nationwide-strike-over-nucs-phd-directive.html

On top corona virus

1StopRudeness:


U don’t sound very intelligent....rigorousity isn’t the criteria of a PhD....there are so many rigorous things in life.... don’t equate what has different requirement together......5years or even 100years residency might be rigorous than a PhD as u claim...but do not equate the two...they ain’t equivalent ....

...a PhD has a requirement of carrying out a laboratory or field independent novel research with nothing less than a total of 20,000 word thesis of ur findings at the end of 4yrs......unless a doctor does this in their residency they should stop this nonsense

Yes doctors in residency write thesis as a minimum requirements to be awarded a fellowship try and Google it.
Nigeria law that established the national postgraduate medical college equated it to a postgraduate medical university responsible for postgraduate training of specialist medical doctors.

To become a fellow you must have done work that is rich and adds to scientific knowledge, most of you arguing do not really understand how medicine is structured

allthingsgood:


Doctors with PhD who can actually teach

They teach in preclinical not in clinical, they teach courses like anatomy, physiology, biochemistry but not courses like surgery or internal medicine

allthingsgood:


Must u consult in a teaching hospital

its a TEACHING hospital for Gods sake!

You are funny, a teaching hospital is a hospital where postgraduate and undergraduate medical students are taught how to diagnose and manage patients.

PhD is not a clinical degree

obi4eze:


Maybe NUC actually goofed by allowing them lecture and become Professors without PhD in the past but it seems they realized their error.

The consultants want to continue becoming Professors without PhD. I laugh! Do they actually know the rigors of becoming a PhD holder?
They are not bigger than NUC that regulates them so if NUC says they cant become Professors without PhD then they should either join their colleagues who go on to acquire PhD or get out.

You don't actually know the rigor in becoming a consultant.

The training doctors are having doesn't really necessitate them them to have a PhD.

After spending years to become a consultant just similarly to become a graduate and now saying trash...

Well if they want them to have a PDGE are agree but not PhD!

allthingsgood:
iF they strike FG should sack all of them and hire capable hands idiats!

From where exactly.... sir.

Jokerman:


Does it make it a PhD?

it involves the step of the PhD without the title.

Medicine is an apprenticeship. Pls keep that in mind