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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 8:43am On Feb 18, 2020
Maximus69:
Obviously Jesus is teaching you DIRECTLY himself, so tell us how we can join you so that this SOUND TEACHING can go round, since those teaching us have deceived us that God's Holy Spirit is their teacher and now from the look of things it's either Jesus himself or the Holy Spirit is the one teaching you DIRECTLY!
Leave Shadeyinka and blueAgent if they're not ready to follow Jesus, i'm ready so that we can spread this SOUND TEACHING! cheesy
With the number and level of false prophecy and teaching your Church has done in the past and present, its obvious that your Church has no inspiration from the Holy spirit.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op):
shadeyinka:
You have a point here. It seems Adam and Eve had a glorified body.

But, it doesn't affect the fact that they needed the sun or the moon to survive.

There is only one scripture you can find to justify your position while I've given you about five. You need a stronger argument.
I don't have time for that. Consider the fact that the Sun and Moon where existing before Adam and Eve Sinned.
and Adam and Eve were suppose not to labour until they sinned, why was the Sun and Moon existing then?


Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 8:52am On Feb 18, 2020
shadeyinka:
You have a point here. It seems Adam and Eve had a glorified body.

But, it doesn't affect the fact that they needed the sun or the moon to survive.

There is only one scripture you can find to justify your position while I've given you about five. You need a stronger argument.
What do you know is the work of the Sun and the Moon besides that of giving light?
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 8:56am On Feb 18, 2020
Maximus69:
If God wants to destroy the heavens and the earth to recreate another, i think he would have said so. NOT saying it will last forever!

And mind you, try to always include the "HEAVENS" in the destruction because all the quotations where God's word talk about destruction both Heaven and Earth were mentioned! wink
You see how you promote false doctrine?

Is that the only verse you can quote or use to confirm that God would not destroy the Earth?

What happened to the rule for understanding a topic or issue in the Bible which we have been given?

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a
workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing
the word of truth.


Isaiah 28:10
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Nobody: 8:57am On Feb 18, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
You got more jokes, hmm?
Why did you remove the joking animations?

Well Jesus taught his own followers THE SAME THING so that they don't go out there contradicting themselves before the unbelievers! John 17:20-23

So if you can't point to any organization having the same mindset on sacred matters, then you've not found the true Christians! Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

As regards your illustration of finger's inequality, the same thing happen in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians), we are not of the same age so some are agile than others, our educational status differs so some can speak eloquently than others, our looks differs so some are naturally attractive that you'll love to speak with them, even the zeal in us differs so some spent more time in the ministry than others.
But we all speak in HARMONY, so whether a beautiful, charming and attractive American JW or a black and repulsive JW from Kenyan village, it's the same thing they will tell you about our own God!

That's why the fingers in your hands will always work together to achieve success despite the difference in length! smiley
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 8:58am On Feb 18, 2020
Maximus69:
If God wants to destroy the heavens and the earth to recreate another, i think he would have said so. NOT saying it will last forever!

And mind you, try to always include the "HEAVENS" in the destruction because all the quotations where God's word talk about destruction both Heaven and Earth were mentioned! wink
You did not even try to refute my evidence and facts.
I guess those bible verses were too evident and clear for you to deny.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Nobody: 9:01am On Feb 18, 2020
blueAgent:
With the number and level of false prophecy and teaching your Church has done in the past and present, its obvious that your Church has no inspiration from the Holy spirit.
Hen nah!

Is that not the reason why i suggested we join MuttleyLaff whose inspiration is DIRECTLY from the spirit? smiley
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Nobody: 9:04am On Feb 18, 2020
blueAgent:
You did not even try to refute my evidence and facts.
I guess those bible verses were too evident and clear for you to deny.
YES ooooo!

Just that you're excluding HEAVEN in the impending destruction as written in the verses! wink
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 9:05am On Feb 18, 2020
Maximus69:
Why did you remove the joking animations?
You like the animations, hmm?. Too much of anything is not good for the health Maximus69. Everyday isnt Christmas, at the approprite time, animations will surface again, so for now, make do without them. Peele, ndo.

Maximus69:
Well Jesus taught his own followers THE SAME THING so that they don't go out there contradicting themselves before the unbelievers! John 17:20-23

So if you can't point to any organization having the same mindset on sacred matters, then you've not found the true Christians! Romans 15:5-6; 1 Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

As regards your illustration of finger's inequality, the same thing happen in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians), we are not of the same age so some are agile than others, our educational status differs so some can speak eloquently than others, our looks differs so some are naturally attractive that you'll love to speak with them, even the zeal in us differs so some spent more time in the ministry than others.
But we all speak in HARMONY, so whether a beautiful, charming and attractive American JW or a black and repulsive JW from Kenyan village, it's the same thing they will tell you about our own God!

That's why the fingers in your hands will always work together to achieve success despite the difference in length! smiley
"Maximus69 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed this prayer:
‘I thank you, God, that I am not like other people—cheaters, sinners, adulterers.
I’m certainly not like that tax collector!
"
- Luke 18:11

I will re-ask you again Maximus69. Be honest with at least yourself now, does Jehovah's Witnesses 100% teach sound doctrine 365 24 7 hmm? Dont be a far-i-see Pharisee.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 9:15am On Feb 18, 2020
Maximus69:
There is a man called Jesus Sir, he is the WORD of God, i'm 100% sure he is the person passing all these informations to the inspired writers!

He's fond of speaking in Parables Sir and so his followers have become used to his style of passing info involving sacred secrets. So if i were you, i'll read with discernment in other to correlate what i found in his message with God's plans from the beginning!

God created the heavens and the earth, he said both will last forever.

But since you now concluded that the heavens and the earth will be burnt as written in the Bible, can you please tell me why God must burn the two? smiley
There is no parable or Mystery in the Bible verse I gave you.

God never said the Earth and Heaven will cease to exist.

Just as God destroyed the Earth during the time of Noah with flood and the Earth did not stop existing, because me and you are still living in it.

So also the Earth and Heaven would not cease to exist when God destroys the wicked and the Earth with fire.

2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

Were was Sodom and Gomorrha destroyed?
the answer is the Earth.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 9:21am On Feb 18, 2020
Maximus69:
There is a man called Jesus Sir, he is the WORD of God, i'm 100% sure he is the person passing all these informations to the inspired writers!

He's fond of speaking in Parables Sir and so his followers have become used to his style of passing info involving sacred secrets. So if i were you, i'll read with discernment in other to correlate what i found in his message with God's plans from the beginning!

God created the heavens and the earth, he said both will last forever.

But since you now concluded that the heavens and the earth will be burnt as written in the Bible, can you please tell me why God must burn the two? smiley
To cleanse the Universe of Sin and its effects.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Nobody: 9:24am On Feb 18, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
You like the animations, hmm?. Too much of anything is not good for the health Maximus69. Everyday isnt Christmas, at the approprite time, animations will surface again, so for now, make do without them. Peele, ndo.

I will re-ask you again Maximus69. Be honest with at least yourself now, does Jehovah's Witnesses 100% teach sound doctrine 365 24 7 hmm?
Let's consider what a young Jewish carpenter of the first century said, perhaps there is something we can learn from him!

He said "you can't gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, good trees produce fine fruits and bad trees produces rotten fruits, good tree don't produce rotten fruits and bad trees don't produce fine fruits" Matthew 7:16-18

This guy later became a teacher of God's word in the first century, and his followers of course made a lot of mistakes. But one thing is they're ever united in FAITH!

Take for instance, he taught them that equality in Satan's world is impossible so there will always be poor ones in their midst.

But shortly after his ascension to heaven, God's holy spirit came and replaced him as their new teacher and director, can you imagine that this people went ahead to initiate what their Master said is impossible?
They tried to eradicate poverty in their midst by selling things of different value only to come back and share everything they got EQUALLY. Well this caused the death of a family and there they realized their blunder so they stopped!

Note that God's holy spirit did not stop them from making the blunder, they unitedly supported the arrangement and when its time to punish the traitors it's this same holy spirit that killed them.

So true Christianity is not about taking account of mistakes Sir, it's about faith, hope and love to stick together at all times! 1Corinthians 13:8-13
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 9:31am On Feb 18, 2020
Maximus69:
Let's consider what a young Jewish carpenter of the first century said, perhaps there is something we can learn from him!

He said "you can't gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, good trees produce fine fruits and bad trees produces rotten fruits, good tree don't produce rotten fruits and bad trees don't produce fine fruits" Matthew 7:16-18

This guy later became a teacher of God's word in the first century, and his followers of course made a lot of mistakes. But one thing is they're ever united in FAITH!

Take for instance, he taught them that equality in Satan's world is impossible so there will always be poor ones in their midst.

But shortly after his ascension to heaven, God's holy spirit came and replaced him as their new teacher and director, can you imagine that this people went ahead to initiate what their Master said is impossible?
They tried to eradicate poverty in their midst by selling things of different value only to come back and share everything they got EQUALLY. Well this caused the death of a family and there they realized their blunder so they stopped!

Note that God's holy spirit did not stop them from making the blunder, they unitedly supported the arrangement and when its time to punish the traitors it's this same holy spirit that killed them.

So true Christianity is not about taking account of mistakes Sir, it's about faith, hope and love to stick together at all times! 1 Corinthians 13:8-13
1/ What is difficult is facing answering the question nah, instead of this merry go round off tangent response, hmm?
2/ Do you see shadeyinka and blueAgent lacking faith, hope and love to stick together at all times, hmm.
3/ Have you seen/heard shadeyinka, blueAgent or others ever profess their hate for you?
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Nobody: 9:33am On Feb 18, 2020
blueAgent:
There is no parable or Mystery in the Bible verse I gave you.

God never said the Earth and Heaven will cease to exist.

Just as God destroyed the Earth during the time of Noah with flood and the Earth did not stop existing, because me and you are still living in it.

So also the Earth and Heaven would not cease to exist when God destroys the wicked Heaven and the Earth with fire. 2Peter 3:7

2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

Were was Sodom and Gomorrha destroyed?
the answer is the Earth.
Don't add or remove from it Sir, the Bible said the HEAVENS and the EARTH will be burned up by FIRE!

Please let's leave it the way it was written!

As for Noah's generation, Sodom and Gomorrah, it's the WICKED that were destroyed so that the earth has remained till today!

Jesus said "Just as it happened in the day of Noah" Luke 17:26

So i strongly believe it's the same thing that's going to happen again Sir! Note verse 7 of 2Peter 3, it's clearly stated "by the same decree"! smiley
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Nobody: 9:41am On Feb 18, 2020
blueAgent:
To cleanse the Universe of Sin and its effects.
Who are the ones committing the sin, the universe or humans? Genesis 6:7

Because what was written in the book is "the soul that is sinning is the one that will die" Ezekiel 18:4, 20 compare to Romans 6:23
that's where your understanding is flawed!
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Nobody: 9:55am On Feb 18, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
1/ What is difficult is facing answering the question nah, instead of this merry go round off tangent response, hmm?
2/ Do you see shadeyinka and blueAgent lacking faith, hope and love to stick together at all times, hmm.
3/ Have you seen/heard shadeyinka, blueAgent or others ever profess their hate for you?
Jesus said my own followers will be RECOGNIZABLE by Love {John 13:34-35} and unity {John 17:14-16} that's permeating their midst.

So let's know the group of true believers in order to observe what Jesus said about his group IN THEIR MIDST.

For your information, all of you belong to different religious groups claiming Christians with your contradicting teaching and conflicting doctrines. Just as Jesus had warmed regarding false religions that will emerge in the last days.

If you're all Christians for real, then you'll all be under the same doctrine, not different as you're doing now. Because it's an avenue to escape been fully submissive to rules making you guys workers of iniquity! Matthew 7:23

INIQUITY means LAWLESSNESS, so it's fitting because with the way and manner you guys are practicing your Christianity, there is NO LAW to bind you together as one! smiley
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 10:08am On Feb 18, 2020
Maximus69:
Jesus said my own followers will be RECOGNIZABLE by Love {John 13:34-35} and unity {John 17:14-16} that's permeating their midst.

So let's know the group of true believers in order to observe what Jesus said about his group IN THEIR MIDST.

For your information, all of you belong to different religious groups claiming Christians with your contradicting teaching and conflicting doctrines. Just as Jesus had warmed regarding false religions that will emerge in the last days.

If you're all Christians for real, then you'll all be under the same doctrine, not different as you're doing now. Because it's an avenue to escape been fully submissive to rules making you guys workers of iniquity! Matthew 7:23

INIQUITY means LAWLESSNESS, so it's fitting because with the way and manner you guys are practicing your Christianity, there is NO LAW to bind you together as one! smiley
You dont seem to want to answer any of those earlier asked questions, so let's give you an easier question
Does Jehovah's Witnesses, 100% practice, every single command taught by Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour of the world?
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by Nobody: 10:17am On Feb 18, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
You dont seem to want to answer any of those earlier asked questions, so let's give you an easier question
Does Jehovah's Witnesses, 100% practice, every single command taught by Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour of the world?
Jesus said

By their fruit you will know them Matthew 7:15

It's only when a group is practicing what Jesus taught that God's holy spirit, the spirit of
LOVE
JOY
PEACE
PATIENCE
KINDNESS
GOODNESS
FAITH
MILDNESS
SELF-CONTROL will abide with them!

Jesus didn't teach us to answer you unbelievers with YES or NO, we only guide you with the scriptures to decide for yourself! Matthew 21:23-27

So suit yourself! wink
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 11:42am On Feb 18, 2020
Maximus69:
Jesus said

By their fruit you will know them Matthew 7:15

It's only when a group is practicing what Jesus taught that God's holy spirit, the spirit of
LOVE
JOY
PEACE
PATIENCE
KINDNESS
GOODNESS
FAITH
MILDNESS
SELF-CONTROL will abide with them!

Jesus didn't teach us to answer you unbelievers with YES or NO, we only guide you with the scriptures to decide for yourself! Matthew 21:23-27

So suit yourself! wink
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Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 11:50am On Feb 18, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
"1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.
The First Day
3And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.
4And God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness.
5God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.”
And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
"
- Genesis 1:1-5

"13And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
14And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to distinguish between day and night and to mark the seasons and days and years,
15And let them serve as lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth.” And it was so
"
16God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night. And He made the stars as well.
17God set these lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth,
18to preside over the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.
19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day- Genesis 1:13-19

"He created the moon, which marks the seasons, and the sun, which knows when to set"
- Psalm 104:19

"7He made the great lights—His loving devotion endures forever.
8the sun to rule the day, His loving devotion endures forever.
9the moon and stars to govern the night. His loving devotion endures forever.
"
- Psalm 136:7-8

It is incumbent to recognise and acknowledge that, Genesis 1:15-18, Psalm 104:19 and Psalm 136:7-8, clearly though in an economical and conservative way states the purpose, in the beginning, for making the Sun, Moon and Stars. It will be scientific error or sheer deliberate ignorance at play here, if anyone thinks Genesis 1:15-18, Psalm 104:19 and Psalm 136:7-8, are the only purposes of the Sun, Moon and Stars.

Now, Maximus69 and shadeyinka, fast forward to Revelation 21:23, and Revelation 22:5 we get to find out that there is no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine. There is no need anymore for their purposes, for the glory of God did lighten up there. The sun and moon are there, for the sake of appearance rather than for any other use. It is like having a candle lit up, in a already flourescent light lit room. The candle is just there for the sake of appearance and not because it is needed. Its not that brightens up or illuminates more, anything in the room. The sun, moon stars, are still there, existing a new but this time are rendered redundant.

Revelation 21:23, and Revelation 22:5 doesnt say the sun and moon wont exist anymore, but advances rather that the sun and moon are made redundant.
I do not have any problems with the bolded. But I don't like you merging a post involving me and another person. Address each person individually!

And I don't know about redundancy of the sun and the moon.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 12:14pm On Feb 18, 2020
blueAgent:
I don't have time for that. Consider the fact that the Sun and Moon where existing before Adam and Eve Sinned.
and Adam and Eve were suppose not to labour until they sinned, why was the Sun and Moon existing then?


Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Adam and Eve were put in the garden to have Dominion and to Work the land.

Gen 2:4-5,15: "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground . … And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it."


This above was well before the fall of man.

The purpose of the Sun was to give lights during the day and the stars during the Night. What happens when God's presence is the LIGHT?


Isa 65:17: "For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

Isa 66:22: "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain."

2 Pet 3:13: "Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."

Rev 21:1: "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 12:17pm On Feb 18, 2020
blueAgent:
What do you know is the work of the Sun and the Moon besides that of giving light?
I think the bible is explicit in this matter

Rev 21:23:
"And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

Rev 22:5:
"And there shall be no night there ; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun ; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 12:31pm On Feb 18, 2020
shadeyinka:
I do not have any problems with the bolded. But I don't like you merging a post involving me and another person. Address each person individually!

And I don't know about redundancy of the sun and the moon.
When the Bible says there's no need for the sun and moon to shine, though they still remain existing, doesn't that amount to them then being redundant ni, hmm?
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 12:53pm On Feb 18, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
When the Bible says there's no need for the sun and moon to shine, though they still remain existing, doesn't that amount to them then being redundant ni, hmm?
What does the bible say?

Rev 21:23: "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

Rev 22:5: "And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."

Rev21:22 may suggest redundancy as in the light from the sun becomes insignificant as a means of luminance with respect to the Light of God's presence
HOWEVER,
In Rev22:5 show that NO light from the sun.

If there is no light from the sun, it means the sun is either completely dead or totally absent.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 1:13pm On Feb 18, 2020
shadeyinka:
What does the bible say?

Rev 21:23: "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

Rev 22:5: "And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."

Rev21:22 may suggest redundancy as in the light from the sun becomes insignificant as a means of luminance with respect to the Light of God's presence
HOWEVER,
In Rev22:5 show that NO light from the sun.

If there is no light from the sun, it means the sun is either completely dead or totally absent.
C'mon shadeyinka, we are both reading the same verses now.

Revelation 21:23 says: the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof and Revelation 22:5 says: they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Is it obvious from both verses that, just like a lit candle in a fluorescent lit up room, the city had no need for the sun to shine for the glory of God did light up. Just as there is no need of the light of the candle in the room scenario earlier given, so there's no need for the light of the sun, for God gives Light.

How and why you insist, there is no light from the sun and that anything at all, means the sun is either completely dead or totally absent is baffling. I might concede with totally absent or withdrawn but not say completely dead.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 4:34pm On Feb 18, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
C'mon shadeyinka, we are both reading the same verses now.

Revelation 21:23 says: the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof and Revelation 22:5 says: they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Is it obvious from both verses that, just like a lit candle in a fluorescent lit up room, the city had no need for the sun to shine for the glory of God did light up. Just as there is no need of the light of the candle in the room scenario earlier given, so there's no need for the light of the sun, for God gives Light.

How and why you insist, there is no light from the sun and that anything at all, means the sun is either completely dead or totally absent is baffling. I might concede with totally absent or withdrawn but not say completely dead.
Anyway, the point of whether the sun and moon exist or not is not critical to Faith, Love and Duty to God. One of these three things can occur
1. The sun and moon does not exist again
2. The sun exists but perform insignificant role in illumination
3. The sun is dead and therefore does not give any light
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by MuttleyLaff: 5:16pm On Feb 18, 2020
shadeyinka:
Anyway, the point of whether the sun and moon exist or not is not critical to Faith, Love and Duty to God. One of these three things can occur
1. The sun and moon does not exist again
2. The sun exists but perform insignificant role in illumination
3. The sun is dead and therefore does not give any light
You will sleep soundly and safely can place your bets on the sun exists but performs unappreciated or insignificant role in illumination and etcetera
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by shadeyinka(m): 5:19pm On Feb 18, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
You will sleep soundly and safely can place your bets on the sun exists but performs unappreciated or insignificant role in illumination and etcetera
When the time comes I hope we'll see each other and remind ourselves of this argument (over nothing LOL)
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 8:46pm On Feb 18, 2020
shadeyinka:
I think the bible is explicit in this matter

Rev 21:23:
"And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof."

Rev 22:5:
"And there shall be no night there ; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun ; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."
When did City start meaning Earth?
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 8:47pm On Feb 18, 2020
shadeyinka:
Adam and Eve were put in the garden to have Dominion and to Work the land.

Gen 2:4-5,15: "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground . … And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it."


This above was well before the fall of man.

The purpose of the Sun was to give lights during the day and the stars during the Night. What happens when God's presence is the LIGHT?


Isa 65:17: "For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

Isa 66:22: "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain."

2 Pet 3:13: "Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."

Rev 21:1: "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."
Its obvious you don't know what you are saying.

What enables plants to grow?
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 8:48pm On Feb 18, 2020
Maximus69:
Who are the ones committing the sin, the universe or humans? Genesis 6:7

Because what was written in the book is "the soul that is sinning is the one that will die" Ezekiel 18:4, 20 compare to Romans 6:23
that's where your understanding is flawed!
Ask your Bible or God why he choose to destroy Heaven and Earth.
Re: Why Is There A Resurrection? by blueAgent(op): 8:52pm On Feb 18, 2020
Maximus69:
Don't add or remove from it Sir, the Bible said the HEAVENS and the EARTH will be burned up by FIRE!

Please let's leave it the way it was written!

As for Noah's generation, Sodom and Gomorrah, it's the WICKED that were destroyed so that the earth has remained till today!

Jesus said "Just as it happened in the day of Noah" Luke 17:26

So i strongly believe it's the same thing that's going to happen again Sir! Note verse 7 of 2Peter 3, it's clearly stated "by the same decree"! smiley
And where will the wicked be burnt, i guess in your kitchen?.

I was not the one that wrote this bible verses so argue with the writer why he added Earth not me.


2 Peter 3:10 Parallel Verses [⇓ See commentary ⇓]

2 Peter 3:10, NIV : "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare."

2 Peter 3:10, ESV : "But the day of the Lord will come like a
thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the
heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth
and the works that are done on it will be exposed."

2 Peter 3:10, KJV : "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief
in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a
great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the
earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

2 Peter 3:10, NASB : "But the day of the Lord will come like a
thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the
elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up."

2 Peter 3:10, NLT: "But the day of the Lord will come as
unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment."

2 Peter 3:10, CSB : "But the day of the Lord will come like a
thief; on that day the heavens will pass away with a loud noise,
the elements will burn and be dissolved, and the earth and the
works on it will be disclosed."
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