Maximus69:


I knew him for long!

He's always coming up with subjects that is controversial, and by the end no group of persons is there to point to as those who practicing his theory!

true.... I think he needs to pray fir deep understanding

Kallmerb:
true.... I think he needs to pray fir deep understanding

Praying for deeper understanding will not work again when God has directed people who are teaching the deep things in the neighborhood. All we have to do is humbly watch out for them and ask any question that comes to mind. If they're truly from God, they should be able to provide satisfying answer to our questions! 2Timothy 3:17

I prayed NOT for deeper understanding but for God to direct his true servants to me!
WHY?
Because i found out in the book that Jesus has SENT OUT his followers to go and meet people IN THEIR HOMES! Matthew 10:11-13

Kallmerb:
This is why they say bible study is important in every Church


Firstly... There are 3 aspect to every Man.. The Body(Flesh), Soul and Spirit.... Firstly you need to understand that when God breathe into man he deposited his spirit into man...Gen 2:7

The body houses the Soul and the Spirit... The difference between your soul and spirit is that the soul is where everything is deposited and keep your thought,Ability to decide both wrong and right, but the Soul also contains Mans Spirit...

Your spirit is what you use to communicate with God and connects with Him... That is why the bible said God is spirit and He who worships must also do it in spirit.. God has no interest in Mans Flesh


Now the tricky part is the soul of man can be influenced by Both the Body and the spirit.. Because A mans Soul can only understand the captain which directs it...


The Body(flesh) is a sinful existence of man because its has been cursed since lucifer was cast down..

If a man is not well grounded in the Holy spirit of God the flesh which is influenced by the Evil spirit on earth can easily corrupt ones soul...

The Soul itself can not sustain and survive on its own.. Its either its influenced by the corruptible Flesh or its Influenced by the Incorruptible Spirit of God... But the Soul can never ever be empty or alone... It must have a master... That is why theres always a constant battle of our conscience in making both right and wrong decisions


Genesis 6:12 KJV
And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

Now understand this... Due to the Sinful Nature of the Flesh it cannot transit into heaven because Habakkuk 1:13 said


Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity


That eyes of the lord is so pure that it cannot behold any form of iniquity... The Flesh being Sinful cannot enter heaven or stand before the throne of judgement


Kindly read about Enoch the Prophet and about his transition into Heaven..

Once a Man die the Soul exit mans Body and prepare for judgement while the Body returns to the dust, the Soul goes to a place reserved for them while some roam around the earth till judgement day

You claim it is the Soul that is judged. but the bible is clearly telling us that it is the resurrected dead persons that are judged and cast into Hell or Heaven.


2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Where are they reserved: answer is the grave.

Job 21:30 That the wicked is reserved to the day of
destruction? they shall be brought forth(from the grave)to the
day of wrath.

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Maximus69:


I knew him for long!

He's always coming up with subjects that is controversial, and by the end no group of persons is there to point to as those who practicing his theory!

yes they are controversial and true facts.

God is not a God who deals with issues or people for their popularity or intelligence.

You can refute the OP and show else what is rewarded after death.

sonmvayina:

Just be humble....

Am always humble but never deceived. Stop lieing against God.

blueAgent:


yes they are controversial and true facts.

God is not a God who deals with issues or people for their popularity or intelligence.

You an refute the OP and show else what is rewarded after death.

I've done that already, that's why Kallmerb described my comment as "PERFECTLY EXPLAINED".

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Again, who cares? Are you saved or going to heaven or hell because you know the intricacies and routes of soul and spirit? The thief on the Cross knew BARELY nothing about correctest theology compared to Demas or Ananias and Sapphira. People should dwell more on important issues like how to be with God now and eternally, than academic exercises on the itinerary of souls and spirits.

How can you be with God when you do not have the true knowledge of who he is and what he says?
Can 2 work together if they do not agree?

Maximus69:


Praying for deeper understanding will not work again when God has directed people who are teaching the deep things in the neighborhood. All we have to do is humbly watch out for them and ask any question that comes to mind. If they're truly from God, they should be able to provide satisfying answer to our questions! 2Timothy 3:17

I prayed NOT for deeper understanding but for God to direct his true servants to me!
WHY?
Because i found out in the book that Jesus has SENT OUT his followers to go and meet people IN THEIR HOMES! Matthew 10:11-13

Jesus cannot send false teachers.

Kallmerb:
true.... I think he needs to pray fir deep understanding

You need it more.

Its amazes me how people claim something and yet cannot prove or refute their claim.

Maximus69:


I've done that already, that's why Kallmerb described my comment as "PERFECTLY EXPLAINED".

He is more confused than you.

I will expose your false doctrine later.

blueAgent:



How can you be with God when you do not have the true knowledge of who he is and what he says?
Can 2 work together if they do not agree?

Good question!

Can you point, direct, show, present a group of persons that's in AGREEMENT with this your theory?
Because majority of the people contradicting your write-up also claim to be Christians.

So with whom do you agree on this?

Maximus69:


Humility could be presented with words of tongue!
But real humility is observed WHEN YOU ARE ABLE TO SUCCUMB TO RULES GUIDING SOME PEOPLE. That's when all observers will notice the humility in you!
If you can't point to any organization that you yourself is HUMBLY subjected to, then you only wish your neighbor to become your PERSONAL subject!

So does been humble mean that you should foolishly fellow any teaching that is contrary to God's word and teaching?

Maximus69:


That man died that day!

He can't go to heaven because he is not BORN AGAIN like those having that hope so his own resurrection will take place here on earth.

By saying "I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise"
Jesus means this man will have the opportunity to learn all that he couldn't learn during his days as a contemporary of Jesus from earthly followers of Jesus who will teach resurrected billions what Jesus taught, and by that time there will be no sickness, suffering or death under Jesus' rule here on earth!

Another misconception that's causing the confusion amongst Bible students is the word "PARADISE". Most people had been taught that Paradise is heaven whereas Paradise simply means the condition Adam and Eve experienced in the garden of Eden!

Gosh!!! what a false teaching.

Were is this written in the Bible?

Maximus69:


They're obstinate unbelievers brainwashed to continue carrying credulity in their heads!

The resurrection of faithful servants of God aren't just one but two different settings,
The born again followers of Christ,they will be resurrected in the spirit:- this group are limited, they must be transformed into spirits because they're going to RULE in heaven with Jesus and only spirit beings live in heaven! Revelations 20:5-6

The second resurrection is the one that has been prophesied from the beginning which is physical:- this resurrection will include all those who have died as faithful servants of God before Jesus, John the baptist is the last of this set including millions of those who embraced the peace that the born again followers of Jesus preached and taught. Ezekiel 37:1-6

I beg show me bible verses to prove your point so we can all learn.

sonmvayina:


Let me take it from the start,
Let us (God the Father + mother earth) make man in our own image after our likeness... God the Father provided the spirit and the earth provided the dust for the body.. This process takes place within the womb of the woman.. In the original story where it was adapted from it was Father Enki and mother Ninmah..(you can Google both, you won't die if you do) when the spirit (contained in the man's sperm) fertilizers the egg from the mother a human soul is formed.. The foetus grows and after 9 months it is expelled from the womb to start life on earth.. At death the spirit returns to God who gave it (it is pure, it does not need saving from anything.) and the body returns to dust from where it was taken... The spirit becomes one with God.. Some people believe the spirit can return in another body and the circle continues (reincarnation) I am still investigating it.. The human soul ceases to exist at death.. Till the spirit finds another body.. Still in the womb of another woman..

Read Genesis, 1-2," psalm 104 :29-31, Ecclessiatics 12 :7.. Job 1:21

Pure pagan crap.
Where is it written that the spirit becomes one with God?

The spirit is the breathe or life force that comes from God.
it does not have a unique identity for each person.

It returns to God, not that it becomes one with God.

blueAgent:



You claim it is the Soul that is judged. but the bible is clearly telling us that it is the resurrected dead persons that are judged and cast into Hell or Heaven.


2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Where are they reserved: answer is the grave.

Job 21:30 That the wicked is reserved to the day of
destruction? they shall be brought forth(from the grave)to the
day of wrath.

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

am sorry that as a Christain u are resulting to insult but where is it written that the dead bodies??

Kallmerb:
am sorry that as a Christain u are resulting to insult but where is it written that the dead bodies??

2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out
of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of
judgment to be punished:
Where are they reserved: answer is the grave.
Job 21:30 That the wicked is reserved to the day of
destruction? they shall be brought forth(from the grave)to
the day of wrath.

Maximus69:


Good question!

Can you point, direct, show, present a group of persons that's in AGREEMENT with this your theory?
Because majority of the people contradicting your write-up also claim to be Christians.

So with whom do you agree on this?

What is theory?
There are millions of people in different Churches that know that it is the resurrected just and unjust people that will be rewarded not some imaginary soul or spirit.
Adventist church, United baptist, e.t.c

Kallmerb:
am sorry that as a Christain u are resulting to insult but where is it written that the dead bodies??

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Kallmerb:
am sorry that as a Christain u are resulting to insult but where is it written that the dead bodies??

No where in the Bible is resurrection of Soul ever written.
When Jesus raised Lazarus, was it Lazarus Soul that came forth?

blueAgent:


Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

still dont see where the dead bodies will rise with the dead

blueAgent:


No where in the Bible is resurrection of Soul ever written.
When Jesus raised Lazarus, was it Lazarus Soul that came forth?

do your research about Enoch

Kallmerb:
do your research about Enoch

What about Enoch?

Kallmerb:
still dont see where the dead bodies will rise with the dead

So what is raised from the grave?

Kallmerb:
still dont see where the dead bodies will rise with the dead

When Jesus resurrected, was it his soul or body that was raised?

blueAgent:


When Jesus resurrected, was it his soul or body that was raised?

do u know there are only 3 people who has ascended into heaven in Bodily form.. Just 3...the body of 2 were later carried after dead. Meaning in the whole history of Man.. Just 3..

When Saul called on Samuel from the dead... Was it in bodily Form?

1 Samuel 28:11-15 KJV
Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. [12] And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. [13] And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. [14] And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. [15] And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.


Bro open your eyes and heart to God....

blueAgent:


What is theory?
There are millions of people in different Churches that know that it is the resurrected just and unjust people that will be rewarded not some imaginary soul or spirit.
Adventist church, United baptist, e.t.c

Tell them to go and MEET PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES as directed by Jesus, to teach them all this things. The social media is not for such things that's why everyone is abusing, insulting and cursing one another as none of you is ready to humble yourselves!

blueAgent:



Pure pagan crap.
Where is it written that the spirit becomes one with God?

The spirit is the breathe or life force that comes from God.
it does not have a unique identity for each person.

It returns to God, not that it becomes one with God.

If I pour a cup of water into the ocean... What happens? Can you separate the water from my cup from the ocean?

blueAgent:


Gosh!!! what a false teaching.
Were is this written in the Bible?

The first setting of Paradise is the garden of Eden!

According to the scriptures,was it located up in the heavens or here on earth?

Maximus69:


The first setting of Paradise is the garden of Eden!

According to the scriptures,was it located up in the heavens or here on earth?

How is this relevant to our discussion?

Show where it is written that their would be 2 resurrection for the just.

sonmvayina:


If I pour a cup of water into the ocean... What happens? Can you separate the water from my cup from the ocean?

See analogy!!!!

You are assuming that the spirit life force from God is the same as spirit of God.

Thats a crude way of thinking.

God is a spirit meaning he is supernatural, exists beyond our natural phase.

The spirit God gives is a force or breathe that powers man and gives life, it is different from God's spirit or nature.

Maximus69:


Tell them to go and MEET PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES as directed by Jesus, to teach them all this things. The social media is not for such things that's why everyone is abusing, insulting and cursing one another as none of you is ready to humble yourselves!

Do you thinking JW are making more impact than Adventist.
You think making impact is by going house to house disturbing and teaching false doctrine to people?


Let's see some evidence Adventist has over 25million members which is about 17million more than JW.

Adventists has over 8500 schools and Hospitals providing education and free medical care.
Over 100 homes for the elderly.

Over 10000 projects and housing mission programmes in over 100 countries all over the World.

The list is endless.

https://www.adventistarchives.org/quick-statistics-on-the-seventh-day-adventist-church