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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 6:37am On Feb 28
blueAgent:


God's is not interested in popularity.

Remember that truth is not always popular compared to lies and false teachings.

People are naturally willingly to accept lies because it suits their false and sin full life styles.

Yet Jesus (TRUTH) is popular! cheesy

My friend, the truth is popular but it's the details that's not! People heard about Jesus from far and near, his followers and their activities were heard of in all the earth but nobody knows their FACES even the Pharisees after inviting Jesus several times to dine and wine with them still finds it difficult to identify Jesus FACIALLY but his words they know very very well!

Just 8.7 million individuals from the six continents we have on planet earth are fighting vigorously like Spartans globally, to the extent that they are known everywhere with their uniqueness is notable! Matthew 5:14-16

So if your religious organization is not popular it simply means they are not doing what Jesus and his followers did!

The first century Christians were very minute in number yet their group is popular in all the province of Rome(the world power back then)

Jehovah's Witnesses are just about 9,000,000 in number, only inquisitive ones know the faces of our Governing Body but what we believe is known globally, it's the DETAILS that they find hard to understand!
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by MuttleyLaff: 8:18am On Feb 28
Kallmerb:
Bible verse pls... Bro do more research..
There are 7 heavens.. Goodbye lol

Rapid emergency exit, lol
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 10:49am On Feb 28
Maximus69:


Yet Jesus (TRUTH) is popular! cheesy

My friend, the truth is popular but it's the details that's not! People heard about Jesus from far and near, his followers and their activities were heard of in all the earth but nobody knows their FACES even the Pharisees after inviting Jesus several times to dine and wine with them still finds it difficult to identify Jesus FACIALLY but his words they know very very well!

Just 8.7 million individuals from the six continents we have on planet earth are fighting vigorously like Spartans globally, to the extent that they are known everywhere with their uniqueness is notable! Matthew 5:14-16

So if your religious organization is not popular it simply means they are not doing what Jesus and his followers did!

The first century Christians were very minute in number yet their group is popular in all the province of Rome(the world power back then)

Jehovah's Witnesses are just about 9,000,000 in number, only inquisitive ones know the faces of our Governing Body but what we believe is known globally, it's the DETAILS that they find hard to understand!

Do the maths, 25MILLION VS 8MILLION.

than ask yourself who is more popular.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 10:53am On Feb 28
blueAgent:


See analogy!!!!

You are assuming that the spirit life force from God is the same as spirit of God.

Thats a crude way of thinking.

God is a spirit meaning he is supernatural, exists beyond our natural phase.

The spirit God gives is a force or breathe that powers man and gives life, it is different from God's spirit or nature.

Read the passages I gave...

"My spirit shall not dwell too long with man"
Send forth your spirit and they are created, take it and they die...
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 10:54am On Feb 28
blueAgent:


See analogy!!!!

You are assuming that the spirit life force from God is the same as spirit of God.

Thats a crude way of thinking.

God is a spirit meaning he is supernatural, exists beyond our natural phase.

The spirit God gives is a force or breathe that powers man and gives life, it is different from God's spirit or nature.

If you have been following my post.. I have always maintained that we are Gods having a human experience...
It has not changed.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 10:59am On Feb 28
Maximus69:


The underlined is where we differ in the understanding of the scriptures!

Take note that John only said "the rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were ended"

It's you that's now APPLYING your interpretation to suit what was WRITTEN there!

So listen to my own interpretation of the same verse and compare now!

Since you've now agreed that there will surely be two resurrections, what we need to sort out now is "WHY?"

The first is the BORN AGAIN class who will rule with Christ in heaven, they needed no more screening!
They're not going to rule over empty space so their subjects will come as a result of the second resurrection which will take place here on earth,that is when bones will come to life {Ezekiel 37:4-6} remember Jesus said "not a single word of those prophecies will fail" so there will be a resurrection also in flesh, blood and bones here on earth, this is the second resurrection!

Those who took part in the first resurrection have been taken to heaven directly so they had underserved kindness of God (grace), which means they no more have any business with all the rules that Jesus gave us put to practice here on earth since they will no more live in the flesh. But those that will live here on Paradise earth still need to be taught all what Jesus commanded, that's the reason John said "scrolls were opened and this (earthly resurrected ones) were judged according their response to the things WRITTEN in those scrolls" {Revelations 20:13} Note also that the Bible said there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous {Act 24:15} the righteous in this case refers to Christians and ancient faithful servants of God, while the unrighteous means all other people from the nations who lived virtuous lives based on their conscience.
Only the Christians have what it takes to live forever (the teachings of Jesus Christ) but both the ancient servants of God and those who lived by conscience still needed some adjustments in their thinking, they must accept all that Jesus commanded otherwise they will die again and return to dust.

During that time, many people who refuse to yield to the preaching of the Christians will not be allowed to live more than 100 years {Isaiah 65:20} that's why John said there were two scrolls, the first is the New Testament in which the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ is written, the second is likened to another scroll because those who refuses to yield will die as a result of their stubbornness to accept the teaching of Christ!

After the Christians on earth might have taught all those living by then Jesus' words, then Satan will be released from the abyss {Revelation 20:3} all those who failed to stand firm in what they've learnt about Jesus' commandment due to Satan's final test will die again! Revelations 20:15

So all those who had the privilege to partake in the first resurrection will not experience all these, that's why John could say the rest of the dead did not come to life (the real everlasting life~ 1Timothy 6:29) until the end of 1,000 years! Revelations 20:5





This is human interpretation not God.

No where in the Bible are people given a second chance.

The bible verse is clear all those who were not part of the1st ressuretion are going to face the second death.

No were it is written that they would be tried and given a second chance. all this are theories formulated by your Church.

20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the
thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first
resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but
they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign
with him a thousand years.


The bible verse I gave you earlier demonstrates that all those who are resurrected have there name in the book of life.
Anyone who does not take part in the first resurrection is not eligible for eternal life.


When Christ comes the dead in Christ will be raised.

If you were not dead in Christ you will not be raised it is as simply as that.

There is no other probation available.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of
the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming
of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a
shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of
God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:
and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 11:07am On Feb 28
blueAgent:


Do the maths, 25MILLION VS 8MILLION.

than ask yourself who is more popular.

Do you think people in your neighborhood knew any of your rules in that your church as different?

How many times have you being in the midst of others and at the mention of your church name questions began coming over what you believe?

Well that's what it means to be a true Christian! Matthew 9:14, 15:2; Mark 9:14; Act 24:5

If your beliefs easily blend with others so that there is no sharp contrast, then your church can't be popular no matter the number of adherents! John 17:14-16 smiley
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 11:14am On Feb 28
sonmvayina:


If you have been following my post.. I have always maintained that we are Gods having a human experience...
It has not changed.


You make me laugh, we are not gods.

If we Are Adam and Eve would not had eaten the forbidden fruit.

Man are mortals not gods.

Job 4:17
Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more
pure than his maker?


◄ Psalm 8:4
What is man that You are mindful of him, And the son of man
that You visit him?
you care for him?
5 .You made him a little lower than the heavenly beings [ 3 ] and crowned him with glory and honor.

You are even lower than the angels.


Psalm 144:4.
Man is like to vanity: his days are as a shadow that passeth
away.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 11:18am On Feb 28
sonmvayina:


Read the passages I gave...

"My spirit shall not dwell too long with man"
Send forth your spirit and they are created, take it and they die...

God is referring to his Holy spirit that is his presence that is different from the spirit or breathe that was given at birth or creation.

Even the Holy spirit does not return to God and became one with God as you assume.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 11:31am On Feb 28
blueAgent:



This is human interpretation not God.

No where in the Bible are people given a second chance.

The bible verse is clear all those who were not part of the1st ressuretion are going to face the second death.

No were it is written that they would be tried and given a second chance. all this are theories formulated by your Church.

20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the
thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first
resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but
they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign
with him a thousand years.


The bible verse I gave you earlier demonstrates that all those who are resurrected have there name in the book of life.
Anyone who does not take part in the first resurrection is not eligible for eternal life.


When Christ comes the dead in Christ will be raised.

If you were not dead in Christ you will not be raised it is as simply as that.

There is no other probation available.

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of
the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming
of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a
shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of
God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:
and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

You see where the problem is now!

You quoted the scriptures and i also quoted the scriptures, you explain (interpret) and i also did the same thing. What matters now is how applicable is the interpretation you're giving what you read!

John never said "all those who are not part of the first resurrection will suffer the second death" what he said is that "only those having part in the first resurrection have no business with the second death"

You said my interpretation was formulated by my church, of course that's what i learnt in my church, just as you also learnt what you are saying from your church! cheesy

As regards the trial of those who have died and we're resurrected, please explain what John saw @ Revelations 20:11-13, before you present your understanding please bear in mind what Jesus said @ John 3:18

"whoever did not believed have been JUDGED ALREADY" whereas there are thousands of dead people who never heard nor knew anything about Jesus!

On what bases will such persons be RIGHTEOUSLY judged when they never had the opportunity to hear what Jesus taught? undecided

So explain what will become of millions of people who never heard of Jesus, and what Satan is coming to do after the 1,000 year reign of Jesus and the 144,000?

My church said "Satan is coming to tempt resurrected ones here on earth after they've been trained to perfection by the Christians in their midst"

My church said "Satan was locked up means there will be no false religion throughout the earth during Christ's 1,000 years reign, so no distractions will hinder people from learning the truth about Christ"

My church said "Those who have been taken to heaven as first fruit of the Kingdom will not experience Satan's final test"

So tell me what your church said about the Bible book of Revelations 20! smiley
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 1:23pm On Feb 28
Maximus69:


Do you think people in your neighborhood knew any of your rules in that your church as different?

How many times have you being in the midst of others and at the mention of your church name questions began coming over what you believe?

Well that's what it means to be a true Christian! Matthew 9:14, 15:2; Mark 9:14; Act 24:5

If your beliefs easily blend with others so that there is no sharp contrast, then your church can't be popular no matter the number of adherents! John 17:14-16 smiley



God is not interested in how popular an opinion is, what matters to God is his word.

The bible is filled with prophecy of God's word been set aside for teachings and doctrines which are not true.

Prophets like Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, and many others had difficult changing the mind of people to the true word of God.


Stop deceiving yourself by believing that a teaching will be true because it is popular.

A teacher is only true be cos it is in line with God's word.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 1:23pm On Feb 28
Maximus69:


You see where the problem is now!

You quoted the scriptures and i also quoted the scriptures, you explain (interpret) and i also did the same thing. What matters now is how applicable is the interpretation you're giving what you read!

John never said "all those who are not part of the first resurrection will suffer the second death" what he said is that "only those having part in the first resurrection have no business with the second death"

You said my interpretation was formulated by my church, of course that's what i learnt in my church, just as you also learnt what you are saying from your church! cheesy

As regards the trial of those who have died and we're resurrected, please explain what John saw @ Revelations 20:11-13, before you present your understanding please bear in mind what Jesus said @ John 3:18

"whoever did not believed have been JUDGED ALREADY" whereas there are thousands of dead people who never heard nor knew anything about Jesus!

On what bases will such persons be RIGHTEOUSLY judged when they never had the opportunity to hear what Jesus taught? undecided

So explain what will become of millions of people who never heard of Jesus, and what Satan is coming to do after the 1,000 year reign of Jesus and the 144,000?

My church said "Satan is coming to tempt resurrected ones here on earth after they've been trained to perfection by the Christians in their midst"

My church said "Satan was locked up means there will be no false religion throughout the earth during Christ's 1,000 years reign, so no distractions will hinder people from learning the truth about Christ"

My church said "Those who have been taken to heaven as first fruit of the Kingdom will not experience Satan's final test"

So tell me what your church said about the Bible book of Revelations 20! smiley


People will be judged based on their conscience.
Romans 2:12, ESV : "For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law."

The bible says after death is judgment not probation.


The problem is that you just lift a bible verse and use it to make your conclusion rather than look at all the Bible verses that are related to the matter before you make your conclusion.

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4989/t/1000-years-of-peace
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 1:30pm On Feb 28
Maximus69:


You see where the problem is now!

You quoted the scriptures and i also quoted the scriptures, you explain (interpret) and i also did the same thing. What matters now is how applicable is the interpretation you're giving what you read!

John never said "all those who are not part of the first resurrection will suffer the second death" what he said is that "only those having part in the first resurrection have no business with the second death"

You said my interpretation was formulated by my church, of course that's what i learnt in my church, just as you also learnt what you are saying from your church! cheesy

As regards the trial of those who have died and we're resurrected, please explain what John saw @ Revelations 20:11-13, before you present your understanding please bear in mind what Jesus said @ John 3:18

"whoever did not believed have been JUDGED ALREADY" whereas there are thousands of dead people who never heard nor knew anything about Jesus!

On what bases will such persons be RIGHTEOUSLY judged when they never had the opportunity to hear what Jesus taught? undecided

So explain what will become of millions of people who never heard of Jesus, and what Satan is coming to do after the 1,000 year reign of Jesus and the 144,000?

My church said "Satan is coming to tempt resurrected ones here on earth after they've been trained to perfection by the Christians in their midst"

My church said "Satan was locked up means there will be no false religion throughout the earth during Christ's 1,000 years reign, so no distractions will hinder people from learning the truth about Christ"

My church said "Those who have been taken to heaven as first fruit of the Kingdom will not experience Satan's final test"

So tell me what your church said about the Bible book of Revelations 20! smiley


You have changed the meaning of unrighteous.

Unrighteous has no other meaning than someone who is unholy or lives a sinful life.

The 2nd resurrection occurs at the end of 1000yrs not during it.
Revelation 20:5.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand
years were FINISHED. This is the first resurrection.

So they cannot be the subjects during the 1000yrs.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 1:31pm On Feb 28
Maximus69:


You see where the problem is now!

You quoted the scriptures and i also quoted the scriptures, you explain (interpret) and i also did the same thing. What matters now is how applicable is the interpretation you're giving what you read!

John never said "all those who are not part of the first resurrection will suffer the second death" what he said is that "only those having part in the first resurrection have no business with the second death"

You said my interpretation was formulated by my church, of course that's what i learnt in my church, just as you also learnt what you are saying from your church! cheesy

As regards the trial of those who have died and we're resurrected, please explain what John saw @ Revelations 20:11-13, before you present your understanding please bear in mind what Jesus said @ John 3:18

"whoever did not believed have been JUDGED ALREADY" whereas there are thousands of dead people who never heard nor knew anything about Jesus!

On what bases will such persons be RIGHTEOUSLY judged when they never had the opportunity to hear what Jesus taught? undecided

So explain what will become of millions of people who never heard of Jesus, and what Satan is coming to do after the 1,000 year reign of Jesus and the 144,000?

My church said "Satan is coming to tempt resurrected ones here on earth after they've been trained to perfection by the Christians in their midst"

My church said "Satan was locked up means there will be no false religion throughout the earth during Christ's 1,000 years reign, so no distractions will hinder people from learning the truth about Christ"

My church said "Those who have been taken to heaven as first fruit of the Kingdom will not experience Satan's final test"

So tell me what your church said about the Bible book of Revelations 20! smiley


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Have you heard of the millennium—the 1,000 years of peace
prophesied in the Bible to happen at the end of time?
There are a lot of viewpoints on this period of time, but only
one is biblical. Is there peace on earth? Are the wicked
converted? Where is Jesus? Let's dig into the Word and find
out!
Question: What happens at the start of the 1,000-year period?
"These came to life again and reigned with Christ for a
thousand years" (Revelation 20:4).
Answer: A resurrection begins the 1,000-year period.
Question: What other events mark the beginning of the
millennium?
"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see
him" (Revelation 1:7).
"The Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,
... and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are
alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in
the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air" (1 Thessalonians
4:16, 17).
"There was a great earthquake, such as was not since men
were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
And every island fled away, and the mountains were not
found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven,
every stone about the weight of a talent [58 to 100 pounds]
" (Revelation 16:18, 20, 21).
Answer: At the start of the 1,000 years, the most devastating
earthquake and hailstorm in history strike the earth; Jesus
returns in the clouds for His people; and all the saints are
caught up into the air to meet Jesus.
Question: Many believe the unsaved will have an opportunity
to repent during the 1,000 years. What does the Bible say
about this?
"The slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of
the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not
be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be
dung upon the ground" (Jeremiah 25:33).
Answer: It is impossible for any person to repent during the
1,000 years because there will not be a person alive on earth.
The righteous will all be in heaven. All the wicked will be lying
dead upon the earth.
Revelation 22:11, 12 makes it clear that the case of every
person is closed before Jesus returns. Those who wait to
accept Christ until the 1,000 years begin will have waited too
long.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 2:09pm On Feb 28
blueAgent:




(1)God is not interested in how popular an opinion is, what matters to God is his word.

(2)The bible is filled with prophecy of God's word been set aside for teachings and doctrines which are not true.

(3)Prophets like Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, and many others had difficult changing the mind of people to the true word of God.


(4)Stop deceiving yourself by believing that a teaching will be true because it is popular.

(5)A teacher is only true be cos it is in line with God's word.

(1) Excellent!

(2) Couldn't understand what you mean there!

(3)All God's prophets had the same problem changing including Jesus himself, and this is as a result of the fact that the prophets are speaking God's mind which is in total contrast to sinful human's minds! Isaiah 55:8-9 undecided

(4)I never said the teaching a true due to it's popularity, what i said is the one teaching what is not common will be singled out with his teachings!

(5)If it's in line with God's word, people will feel the sharp contrast and single out such a teacher for his uncommon teaching, hence he will be widely known for his teachings even though the majority don't like him! smiley
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 2:29pm On Feb 28
blueAgent:



People will be judged based on their conscience.
Romans 2:12, ESV : "For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law."

The bible says after death is judgment not probation


The problem is that you just lift a bible verse and use it to make your conclusion rather than look at all the Bible verses that are related to the matter before you make your conclusion.

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4989/t/1000-years-of-peace

The underlined is where we are having issues now!

Because DEATH is the judgement God pronounced as the wages for sin! Romans 6:23; Genesis 2:17

So when God's word said "after death is judgment" it's another kind of judgment altogether, NOT the one having to do with what someone did when he was alive. WHY?
Because at death the sinner has paid for his sins! Romans 7:6 undecided

Jesus explained this different form of judgment when he said "those who believe in him WILL NOT BE JUDGE, but whoever fail to believe is JUDGED ALREADY" John 3:18

If they're JUDGED ALREADY, and the wages of sin is DEATH and they're already DEAD, what business does God have with the dead again?

So presently a form of judgment is ongoing globally, whoever refuse to accept the teachings of Jesus is judged and never coming back to life again! John 3:19

But as for those who had no opportunity of hearing what Jesus taught, their own Judgement begin after they've been resurrected from the dead. That's when they will be introduced to the teachings of Christ which is the only means to everlasting life!

Their conscience only works for them to gain a resurrection when they chose not to do evil but they're not yet qualified for everlasting life, because they've not received training from the teacher whose only teaching can make anyone to qualify for everlasting life! John 3:16 smiley
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 2:43pm On Feb 28
blueAgent:



You have changed the meaning of unrighteous.

Unrighteous has no other meaning than someone who is unholy or lives a sinful life.

The 2nd resurrection occurs at the end of 1000yrs not during it.
Revelation 20:5.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand
years were FINISHED. This is the first resurrection.

So they cannot be the subjects during the 1000yrs.


UNRIGHTEOUS means those who ignore or don't know God's righteous decrees, God's word said "human's righteousness is like filthy rags before God" so no one can be declared righteous on the bases of such filthy rags! sad

Of course they're all alive and NOT dead because they've been resurrected to be ruled by those who are serving as their priests and kings in heaven! smiley

But when the word of God said "the rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years ended" this means they have been resurrected but they can only be said to be living after Satan has been destroyed and he is no more around to mislead them!

As long as Satan has not been destroyed, Jesus classified all humans as DEAD {Luke 9:60}

WHY?

Because the deceiver and killer is still very much around to lead them to the part of DEATH!

Remember it's this same Jesus that's revealing what we're studying now to John {Revelations 1:1} so before you can fully grasp what he is saying you must be very conversant with his use of metaphors! Matthew 8:22 smiley
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 8:15pm On Feb 28
blueAgent:


God is referring to his Holy spirit that is his presence that is different from the spirit or breathe that was given at birth or creation.

Even the Holy spirit does not return to God and became one with God as you assume.


Well, maybe that is you.. Like I have always maintained.. I am a divine being just having a human experience.. A god walking a human path..
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 9:24pm On Feb 28
blueAgent:



You make me laugh, we are not gods.

If we Are Adam and Eve would not had eaten the forbidden fruit.

Man are mortals not gods.

Job 4:17
Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more
pure than his maker?


◄ Psalm 8:4
What is man that You are mindful of him, And the son of man
that You visit him?
you care for him?
5 .You made him a little lower than the heavenly beings [ 3 ] and crowned him with glory and honor.

You are even lower than the angels.


Psalm 144:4.
Man is like to vanity: his days are as a shadow that passeth
away.

OK..
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Nobody: 11:18pm On Feb 28
Maximus69:



The born again followers of Christ,they will be resurrected in the spirit:- this group are limited, they must be transformed into spirits because they're going to RULE in heaven with Jesus and only spirit beings live in heaven! Revelations 20:5-6

Exactly. I dont see normal bodily beings ruling with God. There will be some modifications in this set
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by MuttleyLaff: 11:23pm On Feb 28
sonmvayina:
Well, maybe that is you.. Like I have always maintained.. I am a divine being just having a human experience.. A god walking a human path..


"Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law: 'I said you are gods'?"
- John 10:34

Of course, we are all gods, so what's the big deal?
Getting worked up and chuffed like the cat that got the cream over common knowledge.

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 8:30am On Feb 29
Maximus69:


UNRIGHTEOUS means those who ignore or don't know God's righteous decrees, God's word said "human's righteousness is like filthy rags before God" so no one can be declared righteous on the bases of such filthy rags! sad

Of course they're all alive and NOT dead because they've been resurrected to be ruled by those who are serving as their priests and kings in heaven! smiley

But when the word of God said "the rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years ended" this means they have been resurrected but they can only be said to be living after Satan has been destroyed and he is no more around to mislead them!

As long as Satan has not been destroyed, Jesus classified all humans as DEAD {Luke 9:60}

WHY?

Because the deceiver and killer is still very much around to lead them to the part of DEATH!

Remember it's this same Jesus that's revealing what we're studying now to John {Revelations 1:1} so before you can fully grasp what he is saying you must be very conversant with his use of metaphors! Matthew 8:22 smiley


You are twisting Bible facts and meanings to suit your false doctrine.

What you wrote totally contradicts God's word.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 8:31am On Feb 29
Maximus69:


The underlined is where we are having issues now!

Because DEATH is the judgement God pronounced as the wages for sin! Romans 6:23; Genesis 2:17

So when God's word said "after death is judgment" it's another kind of judgment altogether, NOT the one having to do with what someone did when he was alive. WHY?
Because at death the sinner has paid for his sins! Romans 7:6 undecided

Jesus explained this different form of judgment when he said "those who believe in him WILL NOT BE JUDGE, but whoever fail to believe is JUDGED ALREADY" John 3:18

If they're JUDGED ALREADY, and the wages of sin is DEATH and they're already DEAD, what business does God have with the dead again?

So presently a form of judgment is ongoing globally, whoever refuse to accept the teachings of Jesus is judged and never coming back to life again! John 3:19

But as for those who had no opportunity of hearing what Jesus taught, their own Judgement begin after they've been resurrected from the dead. That's when they will be introduced to the teachings of Christ which is the only means to everlasting life!

Their conscience only works for them to gain a resurrection when they chose not to do evil but they're not yet qualified for everlasting life, because they've not received training from the teacher whose only teaching can make anyone to qualify for everlasting life! John 3:16 smiley





More false teachings as usual.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 8:32am On Feb 29
sonmvayina:


Well, maybe that is you.. Like I have always maintained.. I am a divine being just having a human experience.. A god walking a human path..

You are not gods.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 8:38am On Feb 29
Maximus69:


UNRIGHTEOUS means those who ignore or don't know God's righteous decrees, God's word said "human's righteousness is like filthy rags before God" so no one can be declared righteous on the bases of such filthy rags! sad

Of course they're all alive and NOT dead because they've been resurrected to be ruled by those who are serving as their priests and kings in heaven! smiley

But when the word of God said "the rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years ended" this means they have been resurrected but they can only be said to be living after Satan has been destroyed and he is no more around to mislead them!

As long as Satan has not been destroyed, Jesus classified all humans as DEAD {Luke 9:60}

WHY?

Because the deceiver and killer is still very much around to lead them to the part of DEATH!

Remember it's this same Jesus that's revealing what we're studying now to John {Revelations 1:1} so before you can fully grasp what he is saying you must be very conversant with his use of metaphors! Matthew 8:22 smiley


The Bible mentions only 2 resurrection.
1 for the just and the other for the unjust.

No where does the Bible mention resurrection for probation.

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.


12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.



Either one awakes from death to everlasting life or one awakes to shame and contempt.

There is no middle ground.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 9:33am On Feb 29
blueAgent:



More false teachings as usual.

Yes it will sound like FALSE to you since you don't know it! But you're not answering this questions!

©Our righteousness is as filthy rags before God, so what does the Bible means by the righteous?

©He who died has paid for his sins! Romans 7:6 What's the meaning of this?

©John 3:16 said only believers in Jesus will have everlasting life, so how can some gain the same thing without believing in Jesus?

©If God declared people who lived by conscience as "RIGHTEOUS" then what's the need for Jesus' teachings?

© Jesus referred to living souls during his time as "DEAD", does that means none of his contemporaries lived by conscience at all?

©If they live by conscience and that's enough to declare them righteous, what further need is Jesus' teachings?

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 1:31pm On Feb 29
MuttleyLaff:


"Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law: 'I said you are gods'?"
- John 10:34

Of course, we are all gods, so what's the big deal?
Getting worked up and chuffed like the cat that got the cream over common knowledge.

Nothing,... It is the mumu called blueAgent that I am trying to educate..
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by MuttleyLaff: 7:25pm On Feb 29
sonmvayina:
Nothing... It is the mumu called blueAgent that I am trying to educate...

blueAgent was kidding you to check how ripe your mumu is, lol.
You arent done with your education, you wan educate someone else, smh.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 8:26pm On Feb 29
sonmvayina:


Nothing,... It is the mumu called blueAgent that I am trying to educate..


What makes you a god?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 8:44pm On Feb 29
blueAgent:



What makes you a god?

Because I was created in the image and likeness of God..
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 8:46pm On Feb 29
MuttleyLaff:

blueAgent was kidding you to check how ripe your mumu is, lol.
You arent done with your education, you wan educate someone else, smh.

You will be amazed..
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by MuttleyLaff: 9:05pm On Feb 29
sonmvayina:
You will be amazed..
I am not amazed that your mumu is on exceptional levels, lol, which is why you keep yourself busy being a tool, proselytizing into the mumu movement, lol

blueAgent:
What makes you a god?

sonmvayina:
Because I was created in the image and likeness of God..
Listen to that cliché, lol. Oya, give your answers nah:
1/ How exactly are you created in the image and likeness of God?
2/ What does it mean, created in the image and likeness of God?
3/ When were/are you created in the image of God, lol?
4/ When were/are you created in the likeness of God, lol?
5/ What are you now? Are you currently the image of God, or currently the likeness of God or you are currently both the image and likeness of God, lol, hmm?

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