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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 10:37pm On Mar 03
Maximus69:


You can never grasp the underlined unless a true Christian teach you! smiley

Paul was talking about what God gave the Israelites (the Mosaic laws) which will be their guidance to lead them to Christ! Galatians 3:24
Israelites were taught to be hospitable to strangers {Leviticus 19:34} this will be of great help to them when preachers of the good news come to them as strangers {Isaiah 52:7 compare to Romans 10:15} but this people weren't kind to strangers to the extent that by the time Jesus visited them with his disciples, they treated him badly! Luke 9:51-55 embarassed
Now if the people of the nations who never had all those laws (that was supposed to lead the Israelites to welcome Jesus and his followers hospitably) now welcomed the Christians who are total strangers to them because this ones came in the name of God, is that not a good reason to count them worthy of his grace than faithless and stubborn Israelites?

So Paul is saying those people have displayed the attributes God's law meant to impress in the hearts of the Israelites as if it's written IN THEIR HEARTS!
But they must first accept Jesus' teachings before they can enter into life everlasting! Philippians 2:10

That's the meaning of what you are quoting Sir! cheesy

Twisting bible verses as usual.

Paul is talking about judgment not teaching.

There is nothing relating to what you wrote here with what Paul said.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 11:02pm On Mar 03
TATIME:


That's why the Governing Body asked us not to waste our precious time with stubborn and obsolete churchgoer on their blind arguments!

Now you're seeing the reality life and direct, when a processed Christian is saying Jesus of Nazareth did not come to teach yet his contemporaries were calling him "TEACHER"! embarassed embarassed embarassed

So Jesus main reason of coming to earth was to teacher?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 11:06pm On Mar 03
Maximus69:


You can never grasp the underlined unless a true Christian teach you! smiley

Paul was talking about what God gave the Israelites (the Mosaic laws) which will be their guidance to lead them to Christ! Galatians 3:24
Israelites were taught to be hospitable to strangers {Leviticus 19:34} this will be of great help to them when preachers of the good news come to them as strangers {Isaiah 52:7 compare to Romans 10:15} but this people weren't kind to strangers to the extent that by the time Jesus visited them with his disciples, they treated him badly! Luke 9:51-55 embarassed
Now if the people of the nations who never had all those laws (that was supposed to lead the Israelites to welcome Jesus and his followers hospitably) now welcomed the Christians who are total strangers to them because this ones came in the name of God, is that not a good reason to count them worthy of his grace than faithless and stubborn Israelites?

So Paul is saying those people have displayed the attributes God's law meant to impress in the hearts of the Israelites as if it's written IN THEIR HEARTS!
But they must first accept Jesus' teachings before they can enter into life everlasting! Philippians 2:10

That's the meaning of what you are quoting Sir! cheesy


According To The
Truth They Have Received
Each will be judged
according to the
information they have
received. Jesus said.
Woe to you,
Chorazin! Woe to
you, Bethsaida! For
if the mighty deeds
done in you had
been done in Tyre
and Sidon, they
would have repented
long ago in
sackcloth and
ashes. But I tell you,
on the day of
judgment it will be
more tolerable for
Tyre and Sidon than
for you. And you,
Capernaum, will you
be exalted to
heaven? No, you will
be brought down to
Hades. For if the
mighty deeds done
in you had been
done in Sodom, it
would have
remained until this
day. But I tell you
that on the day of
judgment it will be
more tolerable for
the land of Sodom
than for you
(Matthew 11:21-24 ).
The Scriptural truth is that
to whom much has been
given, much will be
required.
But the one who did
not know it, and
committed deeds
worthy of a flogging,
will receive but few.
And from everyone
who has been given
much shall much be
required; and to
whom they
entrusted much, of
him they will ask all
the more ( Luke
12:48 ).
2. Judgment Will Be Fair
We must note that
judgment will be fair. The
psalmist wrote.
They will sing before
the LORD, for He
comes, He comes to
judge the earth. He
will judge the world
in righteousness
and the peoples in
His truth ( Psalm
96:13 ).
The Apostle Paul also
emphasized this truth.
Because He has
fixed a day on
which He will have
the world judged in
righteousness by a
man whom He has
appointed, and of
this He has given
assurance to all by
raising Him from the
dead ( Acts 17:31 ).
Jeremiah quoted God as
saying.
I the LORD search
the heart and
examine the mind,
to reward a person
according to their
conduct, according
to what their deeds
deserve (Jeremiah
17:10 ).
3. According To One's
Works
The Bible says that each
of us will be judged
according to our works.
Paul wrote.
For He will repay
according to each
one's deeds: but
glory and honor and
peace for everyone
who does good, the
Jew first and also
the Greek. For God
shows no partiality.
(Romans 2:6 , 10 , 11 ).
In the Book of Revelation
we read.
I will strike her
children dead. Then
all the churches will
know that I am He
who searches hearts
and minds, and I will
repay each of you
according to your
deeds (Revelation
2:23 ).
Lest we might think that
God will weigh our good
deeds against our bad
deeds, He has told us
what the work of God
consists.
Then they said to
Him [Jesus], "What
must we do to
perform the works
of God?" Jesus
answered them,
"This is the work of
God, that you
believe in Him
whom He has
sent" (John 6:28 , 29 )
.
The work of God is to
believe in Him whom He
has sent - Jesus Christ.
4. According To God's
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 11:09pm On Mar 03
Maximus69:


You can never grasp the underlined unless a true Christian teach you! smiley

Paul was talking about what God gave the Israelites (the Mosaic laws) which will be their guidance to lead them to Christ! Galatians 3:24
Israelites were taught to be hospitable to strangers {Leviticus 19:34} this will be of great help to them when preachers of the good news come to them as strangers {Isaiah 52:7 compare to Romans 10:15} but this people weren't kind to strangers to the extent that by the time Jesus visited them with his disciples, they treated him badly! Luke 9:51-55 embarassed
Now if the people of the nations who never had all those laws (that was supposed to lead the Israelites to welcome Jesus and his followers hospitably) now welcomed the Christians who are total strangers to them because this ones came in the name of God, is that not a good reason to count them worthy of his grace than faithless and stubborn Israelites?

So Paul is saying those people have displayed the attributes God's law meant to impress in the hearts of the Israelites as if it's written IN THEIR HEARTS!
But they must first accept Jesus' teachings before they can enter into life everlasting! Philippians 2:10

That's the meaning of what you are quoting Sir! cheesy




There is no room for probation. that is the word of Jesus.

People will be judged by the light or grace they have been given.

1. According To The
Truth They Have Received
Each will be judged
according to the
information they have
received. Jesus said.
Woe to you,
Chorazin! Woe to
you, Bethsaida! For
if the mighty deeds
done in you had
been done in Tyre
and Sidon, they
would have repented
long ago in
sackcloth and
ashes. But I tell you,
on the day of
judgment it will be
more tolerable for
Tyre and Sidon than
for you. And you,
Capernaum, will you
be exalted to
heaven? No, you will
be brought down to
Hades. For if the
mighty deeds done
in you had been
done in Sodom, it
would have
remained until this
day. But I tell you
that on the day of
judgment it will be
more tolerable for
the land of Sodom
than for you
(Matthew 11:21-24 ).
The Scriptural truth is that
to whom much has been
given, much will be
required.
But the one who did
not know it, and
committed deeds
worthy of a flogging,
will receive but few.
And from everyone
who has been given
much shall much be
required; and to
whom they
entrusted much, of
him they will ask all
the more ( Luke
12:48 ).


From above we can see that Sodom and Gomarrah are not going to receive any probation.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 11:14pm On Mar 03
Maximus69:
blueAgent, please explain what you mean by "what Bible said"

People have been living on this planet for thousands of years before Jesus came to start teaching his own lessons on how we can enter God's kingdom.

Now that you're now saying God will declare some people qualified for what Jesus left heaven to come and teach, then what is the essence of saying people will perish if they don't believe (trust) Jesus' teachings when our conscience can do the job? smiley

During the 1000yrs of Christ rule the Bible says no one will teach another to know God, for everyone will know God.
I wonder were and when you guys will teacher your own.

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by TATIME: 5:12am On Mar 04
blueAgent:


During the 1000yrs of Christ rule the Bible says no one will teach another to know God, for everyone will know God.
I wonder were and when you guys will teacher your own.

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Continue TEACHING your folks on Nairaland what you want to, since you've disqualified Jesus as a TEACHER you can take your leave.
Thanks! smiley smiley smiley
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 10:24am On Mar 04
TATIME:


Continue TEACHING your folks on Nairaland what you want to, since you've disqualified Jesus as a TEACHER you can take your leave.
Thanks! smiley smiley smiley

He is a TEACHER who will TEACH his folks what's in the Bible but the one foretold to be a WONDERFUL TEACHER never came to TEACH but to die!

Walahi Talahi i thank God for the opportunity Seun gave me to hear the views of this misinformed churchgoers on Nairaland, how can someone know that they're this stupid and full of fallacies?

No wonder they can't go from house to house to preach and teach like Jehovah's Witnesses, is this crap worth changing the hearts of people to make any real change?

Jesus is NOT a teacher but the same Jesus said "what i teach is not mine" John 7:16

Please i'm out of here! smiley
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 7:27pm On Mar 05
Maximus69:


He is a TEACHER who will TEACH his folks what's in the Bible but the one foretold to be a WONDERFUL TEACHER never came to TEACH but to die!

Walahi Talahi i thank God for the opportunity Seun gave me to hear the views of this misinformed churchgoers on Nairaland, how can someone know that they're this stupid and full of fallacies?

No wonder they can't go from house to house to preach and teach like Jehovah's Witnesses, is this crap worth changing the hearts of people to make any real change?

Jesus is NOT a teacher but the same Jesus said "what i teach is not mine" John 7:16

Please i'm out of here! smiley


Number 1 purpose of Christ coming to Earth was to die for humanity and not to teach.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

2 Corinthians 5:21 King James Version (KJV)
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that
we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


Romans 5:10.
10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to
him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been
reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!

Hebrews 9:27
27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to
face judgment,


You are yet to show me were it is written that Jesus came to Earth to teach.

Philippians 3:20-21
20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a
Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power
that enables him to bring everything under his control, will
transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious
body.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Image123(m): 7:50am On Mar 07
blueAgent:



If you are honest you will admit that you thought it was the Soul that is rewarded.

I'll say it clearly again. Right theology on soul or spirit is not a prerequisite to make heaven. Stop being comical.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Image123(m): 7:55am On Mar 07
blueAgent:



Yes it matters. the bible says faith cometh by hearing God's word and without faith no man can please God.

But you were asking me where you wrote such. SMH for you. Don't swell your head with matter bros. Please God by living in His fear and doing His will.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 12:36pm On Mar 07
Image123:


But you were asking me where you wrote such. SMH for you. Don't swell your head with matter bros. Please God by living in His fear and doing His will.

What I meant is that,there is no were i wrote that knowing what is rewarded is a criteria for entering Heaven.

We are instructed to proof God's word to diligently search at the truth in God's word. You failing to know or search out the truth about God's word is a great of fence before God.

2 Timothy 2:15.
15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a
worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly
handles the word of truth.



Acts 17:11.
11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than
those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great
eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what
Paul said was true.


1 Thessalonians 5:21
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;

John 5:39
39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in
them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that
testify about me,

John 17:17.
17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

Revelation 1:2.
2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God
and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

2 Timothy 3:15-17.
15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures,
which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in
Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for
teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17
so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every
good work.

Do you think to enter Heaven requires you to sit around all day without you putting effort to discover and establish the truth of God's word?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 12:41pm On Mar 07
Image123:


I'll say it clearly again. Right theology on soul or spirit is not a prerequisite to make heaven. Stop being comical.


Really?

Hosea 4:6 King James Version (KJV)
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou
hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be
no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I
will also forget thy children.


Hebrews 5:12
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that
one teach you again which [be] the first principles of the oracles of
God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong
meat.

Hebrews 5:13
For every one that useth milk [is] unskilful in the word of
righteousness: for he is a babe.

Peter-1 2:2
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may
grow thereby:

Corinthians-1 3:2
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not
able [to bear it], neither yet now are ye able.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Image123(m): 8:39am On Mar 08
blueAgent:


What I meant is that,there is no were i wrote that knowing what is rewarded is a criteria for entering Heaven.

We are instructed to proof God's word to diligently search at the truth in God's word. You failing to know or search out the truth about God's word is a great of fence before God.

2 Timothy 2:15.
15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a
worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly
handles the word of truth.



Acts 17:11.
11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than
those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great
eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what
Paul said was true.


1 Thessalonians 5:21
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;

John 5:39
39 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in
them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that
testify about me,

John 17:17.
17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

Revelation 1:2.
2 who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God
and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

2 Timothy 3:15-17.
15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures,
which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in
Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for
teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17
so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every
good work.

Do you think to enter Heaven requires you to sit around all day without you putting effort to discover and establish the truth of God's word?

Your writing na wa. All these don't tell us that knowing the itinerary of souls and spirits is what takes us to Heaven. I can also quote 20 verses na. You don't need to work to discover and establish the soul and spirit routes to "make" Heaven. Period.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 5:10pm On Mar 08
Image123:


Your writing na wa. All these don't tell us that knowing the itinerary of souls and spirits is what takes us to Heaven. I can also quote 20 verses na. You don't need to work to discover and establish the soul and spirit routes to "make" Heaven. Period.

You are confused.

Because it does not determine our faith in Heaven or Hell means we should not endeavour to know the truth?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 5:13pm On Mar 08
Image123:


Your writing na wa. All these don't tell us that knowing the itinerary of souls and spirits is what takes us to Heaven. I can also quote 20 verses na. You don't need to work to discover and establish the soul and spirit routes to "make" Heaven. Period.

Am not writing to please Man but God.

2 Timothy 2:15.
15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a
worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly
handles the word of truth.


John 8:32
And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.


You can see it is the truth you know that sets you free.
Ignorance can never save you or help you.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Image123(m): 6:08am On Mar 09
blueAgent:


You are confused.

Because it does not determine our faith in Heaven or Hell means we should not endeavour to know the truth?

Good to hear that you now know that IT does not determine our fate in Heaven or Hell. You have almost overcome pride, remains little.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Image123(m): 6:09am On Mar 09
blueAgent:


Am not writing to please Man but God.

2 Timothy 2:15.
15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a
worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly
handles the word of truth.


John 8:32
And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.


You can see it is the truth you know that sets you free.
Ignorance can never save you or help you.

i meant that what you wrote was jumbled up and strenuous to read, little clarity.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 5:43pm On Mar 09
Image123:


i meant that what you wrote was jumbled up and strenuous to read, little clarity.

Where, in my OP or responses?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 5:44pm On Mar 09
Image123:


Good to hear that you now know that IT does not determine our fate in Heaven or Hell. You have almost overcome pride, remains little.


What's your problem with the truth been revealed?

The only person I know who is not happy with the truth been revealed is the Devil.

Am yet to know your problem with the OP.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 12:06am On Mar 10
blueAgent:
What is rewarded at death?

In Conclusion.
The word of God is clear on this subject, it is the physical body of people, changed for the just and unchanged for the unjust  that is rewarded after judgement and not some imaginery spirit or soul.

Thank you.
You made a long argument but arrived at a flawed conclusion.

From your writeup
1. At death, the body goes to the earth while the spirit of man goes to God.
Doesn't the reverse take place at resurrection?

If this is the case, your conclusion should be that an ungodly man's union of body and spirit is thrown (alive) into the lake of fire.

2. You defined the soul to mean three things:
* A living person or animal
* Life force or life of a person
* Faculty or reasoning or intellect of a person,mind,thoughts

At resurrection, are these three (definition of the soul) absent or inapplicable to the resurrected person?

If these are present, doesn't it imply that the union of the body and soul of the ungodly man is thrown into the lake of fire?

Your conclusion contradicts your argument
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Image123(m): 6:39am On Mar 10
blueAgent:


Where, in my OP or responses?

The response that i quoted.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Image123(m): 6:47am On Mar 10
blueAgent:



What's your problem with the truth been revealed?

The only person I know who is not happy with the truth been revealed is the Devil.

Am yet to know your problem with the OP.

Clearly stated from the beginning but you seemed very disturbed at it. The important questions like David asked should be "Who"?, "How?" What is the gain of knowing what if you don't know how? Who goes to heaven or hell, How can i go to Heaven or hell. Those are more pertinent than spending pages on unverified information.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 12:46pm On Mar 10
Image123:


Clearly stated from the beginning but you seemed very disturbed at it. The important questions like David asked should be "Who"?, "How?" What is the gain of knowing what if you don't know how? Who goes to heaven or hell, How can i go to Heaven or hell. Those are more pertinent than spending pages on unverified information.

You are only talking from your little confused mind.

If it was not important why did God inform or inspire Paul to write it in the Bible?

Right now in Christaindom about 85% of Christians or more believe the soul is immortal and will be sent to Heaven or Hell.

There are several false doctrines and consequences that this false teachings and doctrine has created.

If you knew better you would have shown me how my article contradicts God's word.

If what I wrote is false, then prove me wrong but if it is right than let it be.
There are millions who are dieing to know the truth about God's word and purpose for humanity.

Rather than draw people away from God this thread reveal the true and justice nature of God and his word.

It will draw and increase people's faith.

If you are not willingly to humble yourself and learn about God's true word than am sorry Heaven is light years far from you.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 12:51pm On Mar 10
Image123:


The response that i quoted.

Those verses I quoted instructs Christians to read, understand and establish the truth about God's word.
An that is exactly what I have done with this thread.

James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is
sin.

Any one who refuses to know or establish the truth about God's word has committed a sin.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 12:56pm On Mar 10
shadeyinka:

You made a long argument but arrived at a flawed conclusion.

From your writeup
1. At death, the body goes to the earth while the spirit of man goes to God.
Doesn't the reverse take place at resurrection?

If this is the case, your conclusion should be that an ungodly man's union of body and spirit is thrown (alive) into the lake of fire.

2. You defined the soul to mean three things:
* A living person or animal
* Life force or life of a person
* Faculty or reasoning or intellect of a person,mind,thoughts

At resurrection, are these three (definition of the soul) absent or inapplicable to the resurrected person?

If these are present, doesn't it imply that the union of the body and soul of the ungodly man is thrown into the lake of fire?

Your conclusion contradicts your argument



You really need to pray for understanding.

The word Soul can refer to any 3 of the things I mentioned.
At resurrection the the spirit which is the life force from God enters the body and it comes to live thus becoming a living Soul. just as it was in the beginning of creation of man.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 1:19pm On Mar 10
Image123:


Clearly stated from the beginning but you seemed very disturbed at it. The important questions like David asked should be "Who"?, "How?" What is the gain of knowing what if you don't know how? Who goes to heaven or hell, How can i go to Heaven or hell. Those are more pertinent than spending pages on unverified information.

All this verses were written by men who are more inspired and annonited than you and they are all speaking on the resurrection and restoration of their bodies.


Your dead shall
live; together with
my dead body
they shall arise.
Awake and sing
you who dwell in
dust; for your
dew is like the
dew of herbs,
and the earth
shall cast out the
dead ( Isaiah
26:19 ).
Hosea said.
I will ransom
them from the
power of the
grave; I will
redeem them
from the earth. O
Death, I will be
your plagues! O
Grave, I will be
your destruction
( Hosea 13:14 ).

But when Paul
perceived that
one part were
Sadducees and
the other
Pharisees, he
cried out in the
council, 'Men and
brothers, I am a
Pharisee, the son
of a Pharisee;
concerning the
hope and
resurrection of
the dead I am
being judged!'
And when he had
said this a
dissension arose
between the
Pharisees and the
Sadducees; and
the assembly was
divided. For the
Sadducees say
that there is no
resurrection - and
no angel or spirit;
but the Pharisees
confess both
( Acts 23:6-8 ).
Paul also said.
And I have the
same hope in
God as these
men, that there
will be a
resurrection of
both the
righteous and the
wicked ( Acts
24:15 ).



For as the Father
raises the dead
and gives life to
them, even so the
Son gives life to
whom He will
( John 5:21 ).
He also said.
Do not be
amazed at this,
for a time is
coming when all
who are in their
graves will hear
His voice and will
come out - those
who have done
good, to the
resurrection of
life, and those
who have done
evil, to the
resurrection of
condemnation
( John 5:29 ).
And this is the
will of Him who
sent Me, that I
should lose
nothing of all
that He has given
Me, but raise it
up on the last
day ( John 6:39 ).
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 1:49pm On Mar 10
Image123:


Clearly stated from the beginning but you seemed very disturbed at it. The important questions like David asked should be "Who"?, "How?" What is the gain of knowing what if you don't know how? Who goes to heaven or hell, How can i go to Heaven or hell. Those are more pertinent than spending pages on unverified information.

Even during the time of Paul there were people who did not believe in resurrection or how it will be possible.

So also we have people today who do not understand the resurrection, its purpose and importance.

1 Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.


If God found it worthy to inspire Paul and others to write and teach on the importance of the resurrection, body and reward, then who are you to question its importance to ones salvation.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 3:46pm On Mar 10
Maximus69:


Bible said God will declare some people of the nations righteous by conscience but other people from the same nations must believe in a Jewish teacher!

My friend, you're funny Walahi Talahi smiley

So a Muslim, [i]Buddhist, Pagan and so on need not accept the teaching of Christ [/i]so far he has good conscience shey? cheesy

What is the teaching of Jesus Christ?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 4:37pm On Mar 10
blueAgent:




You really need to pray for understanding.

The word Soul can refer to any 3 of the things I mentioned.
At resurrection the the spirit which is the life force from God enters the body and it comes to live thus becoming a living Soul. just as it was in the beginning of creation of man.

You surely do not understand my argument.

You said "Only the body goes into the Lake of Fire!"
My argument is that the Body, Soul and Spirit of Man goes into the lake of fire.

Let me break it down for you starting from the definition of your soul which you say could mean three things:

* A living person or animal
* Life force or life of a person
* Faculty or reasoning or intellect of a person,mind,thoughts

At Resurrection, would
1. The person be living?
2. Would the person have Life force or life?
3. Would the person have the faculty of reasoning, or intellect, mind or thoughts?

If for each of the three questions above, your answer is YES, then it means that the person being cast into hell has a soul (by your definition).

You believe that the spirit of man returns to God at Death. Now, at resurrection, what happens to this spirit? Does this spirit return back to the body?

If the spirit returns back to man, doesn't it imply that the man is cast alive into the lake of fire with his spirit inside his body?

So you see why your argument is flawed
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by HellVictorinho(m): 4:46pm On Mar 10
I don't want to make heaven even if it really exists
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 8:35pm On Mar 10
sonmvayina:


What is the teaching of Jesus Christ?
Don't have your time! cool
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 8:56pm On Mar 10
Maximus69:

Don't have your time! cool

Lol.. So God was wasting his time before the coming of Jesus.. Akpa akpu like you..

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