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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Valkrie: 9:22pm On Feb 29
blueAgent:
What is rewarded at death?
To rephrase the question what really goes to Heaven or Hell,  is it the body,Soul, Spirit or all of  the above mentioned?

Only few Christains know and understand  the answer to this very delicate and  puzzling question.  The true answer to this question can be found only in the Bible.
Most of the confusion over this issue is as a result of people not understanding what a Bible refers to as a Soul or Spirit.
In the Bible a spirit can refer or mean 3 different things.
*A living being:God is a spirit, Angels,Demons & Satan are
spirits Heb12:9,Heb 1:7, Leviticus 20:27

*It can also be used to refer to the breath of life in Man or
animals. James 2:26,Job 33:4,Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto
God who gave it.

*It can also be used to refer to a persons will, capacity,
countenance,reasoning, mind,intellect,zeal,thoughts,visions or dreams.Gen6:3,Genesis 41:8, Exdous 31:3,Exdous 35:31.
Isaiah 40:13 ...'Who has directed the Spirit of the LORD, or
being his counsellor has taught him?'
Romans 11:34 ...'For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or
who has been his counsellor?'

Also the Soul in the Bible refers to 3 different things.

* A living person or animal.genesis12:15,genesis 46:18

* Life force or life of a person
Genesis 35:18

* Faculty or reasoning or intellect of a person,mind,thoughts.
songs of Solomon 1:7,3:1, Isaiah 26:8&9.

At death the spirit goes back to God who gave it  while the  body turns back to dust.

All through the Bible no where is the Soul or Spirit  described as an independent element that can exist on it's own without the body and neither does the Soul or Spirit has Immortality.

Man is nothing more but clay or dust powered by the spirit of God. Life is what makes us a Soul.

Now we have understood what a spirit or soul is we will now look at what the Bible says is rewarded at death.

Evidence of what goes to Heaven or Hell.

*Ressurection:Paul taught the early Christains that the only hope of reward for those who died in Christ is the ressurection.
This raises a valid argument if the  just can only rewarded by their ressurection from the Dead which means neither their spirit or soul is rewarded at death as wrongly taught.Paul also gave more insight on this issue by explaining that when Christ will come the Dead in Christ will be raised with their corruptible  mortal bodies transformed  to immortal  bodies and  then they will be taken to Heaven. Job 14:12-15
1Cor15:51-53, 1thess4:15-end.
2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

The unjust will also be ressurected  but will not experience any changes in their body or nature they will still be raised with the corruptible body which they had before they died they will be judged and cast into the lake of fire which the Bible calls the second death.
Revelation  2:11  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.   Revelation  20:6  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

*Lazarus and his ressurection: when Jesus arrived at the house of his dead friend Lazarus we are told that a conversation ensued between Jesus and Mary who acknowledged that her brother was going to be ressurected on the last day. this implies that Mary understood that it was her brother's ressurected body that will  be rewarded by God and not his soul or spirit.
John  11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.  11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.  11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

* Torment in Hell: Jesus taught  the people that in Hell their will be great torment pain and gnashing  of teeth this implies that the unjust body is what goes to Hell as Jesus also informed us that  spirits don't have flesh and bones or teeth. Matthew 25:30, Luke 24:39.

*Death and ressurection of Jesus:
It was Jesus's transformed body that ascended to Heaven and not his spirit or soul. Acts 1:9-11.
Note also that  Jesus told Mary not to touch him for he had not ascended to Heaven. (he did not go to Heaven until 40days after his ressurection)this implies that Jesus soul or spirit did not go to Heaven or Hell as wrongly taught in Churches but  he was at rest in the grave as all the Dead are till the end of the 3 days. John20:17,Luke 19:9.

*Body(Eyes and hands)in Hell:
Jesus taught the people that it was better for one to go to Heaven without hands or eyes than to be cast to Hell with both hands or eyes, this gives evidence to the fact that the body is what is punished in Hell and not the Spirit or soul, Matthew 18:19

*Transfiguration:The transfiguration  of Jesus on Mount  Olives  is given to us as an example of how the mortal bodies of those who are in Christ will be transformed before they are taken to Heaven.
Matthew 17:2, Mark 16:9

* Soul and body in Hell.
Jesus taught his disciples and the people that  God will punish/destory the body and soul (life/breathe) of the wicked in Hell.
Matthew 17:2, Mark9.

*The words of David, Isaiah, Daniel and Job:
There is no doubt that this great men where inspired by God to write that the body of the just and unjust is what is rewarded after judgement. Job14:14,Daniel 12:12, Isaiah 26:19,John 11:11,Plasms 17:15 and plasms112:10
Job  21:30 That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth(from the grave)to the day of wrath.

*Parables of tares and Wheat:
The parable of tares and Wheat  teaches us that the body of the unjust(tares) would be cast into fire.
Matthew  13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.  13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

*Body of Moses.
When Moses died the Bible tells us that Satan came to claim the body of Moses but he was resisted by an Angel of God.
Jude 1:9
Secondly it was not the Spirit of Moses and Elijah that appeared before Jesus, but it was  the ressurected body of Moses, and Elijah who did not experience death that appeared to Jesus. Luke 20:37,Matthew 17:2.

*Paul's words and teachings.

1 Corinthians 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,


1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.


In Conclusion.
The word of God is clear on this subject, it is the physical body of people, changed for the just and unchanged for the unjust  that is rewarded after judgement and not some imaginery spirit or soul.

Thank you.

Guy don't get confused...the concept of heaven and hell came totally from the Abrahamic religion to keep people like you in check 24/7 so you don't misbehave and question what they are teaching you....

From the African perspective and religion, what we have is the ancestral planes and got nothing to do with burning anybody inside fire because they don't believe in one European character is their Lord and saviour..

Let me stop here for now...
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by TATIME: 10:07pm On Feb 29
Maximus69:


Yes it will sound like FALSE to you since you don't know it! But you're not answering this questions!

©Our righteousness is as filthy rags before God, so what does the Bible means by the righteous?

©He who died has paid for his sins! Romans 7:6 What's the meaning of this?

©John 3:16 said only believers in Jesus will have everlasting life, so how can some gain the same thing without believing in Jesus?

©If God declared people who lived by conscience as "RIGHTEOUS" then what's the need for Jesus' teachings?

© Jesus referred to living souls during his time as "DEAD", does that means none of his contemporaries lived by conscience at all?

©If they live by conscience and that's enough to declare them righteous, what further need is Jesus' teachings?

Hmmmmmmmmm.
If our righteousness is filth before God, then we need to ask "on what basis does he evaluate righteous and unrighteous?"? undecided undecided undecided
These questions can be really tough when someone doesn't have the knowledge to correlate what's written in the scriptures!

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 10:09pm On Feb 29
MuttleyLaff:
I am not amazed that your mumu is on exceptional levels, lol, which is why you keep yourself busy being a tool, proselytizing into the mumu movement, lol



Listen to that cliché, lol. Oya, give your answers nah:
1/ How exactly are you created in the image and likeness of God?
2/ What does it mean, created in the image and likeness of God?
3/ When were/are you created in the image of God, lol?
4/ When were/are you created in the likeness of God, lol?
5/ What are you now? Are you currently the image of God, or currently the likeness of God or you are currently both the image and likeness of God, lol, hmm?

I won't be drawn into this with you... Just keep wallowing in your ignorance..
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Image123(m): 4:48am On Mar 01
blueAgent:



How can you be with God when you do not have the true knowledge of who he is and what he says?
Can 2 work together if they do not agree?


Oh, brainy theology of whether spirit or soul go to Heaven is what determines eternal destiny?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by MuttleyLaff: 4:57am On Mar 01
sonmvayina:
I won't be drawn into this with you... Just keep wallowing in your ignorance..

You're so predictable with your comments and posts, lol. I am not surprised you chose not be drawn into answering those questions. Had it being you had the guts to answer them questions, I would have squeezed you by your pair of black cuddly balls, leaving you not just only wincing but with embarrassment too and you later on, go begging Satan Santa for a replacement pair lol. You saved yourself your bacon, and getting kick(s) in the nuts, lol. You know your limits and you're paying attention to them, lol

You've hit the bottom of a well and so what, hmm? You rather be drawn into wallowing in the muck at the bottom of the well. Enjoy your great confidence in ignorance, but it'll do you a world of good to know that ignorance never settles avoiding question(s)
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 6:23am On Mar 01
Image123:


Oh, brainy theology of whether spirit or soul go to Heaven is what determines eternal destiny?

Where did I write such?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 6:27am On Mar 01
Valkrie:


Guy don't get confused...the concept of heaven and hell came totally from the Abrahamic religion to keep people like you in check 24/7 so you don't misbehave and question what they are teaching you....

From the African perspective and religion, what we have is the ancestral planes and got nothing to do with burning anybody inside fire because they don't believe in one European character is their Lord and saviour..

Let me stop here for now...


Thats the reason why Africa was undeveloped and still a 3rd World Continent.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 6:29am On Mar 01
sonmvayina:

Because I was created in the image and likeness of God..
This is the dumbmest. answer I have ever heard.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 6:36am On Mar 01
Maximus69:


UNRIGHTEOUS means those who ignore or don't know God's righteous decrees, God's word said "human's righteousness is like filthy rags before God" so no one can be declared righteous on the bases of such filthy rags! sad

Of course they're all alive and NOT dead because they've been resurrected to be ruled by those who are serving as their priests and kings in heaven! smiley

But when the word of God said "the rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years ended" this means they have been resurrected but they can only be said to be living after Satan has been destroyed and he is no more around to mislead them!

As long as Satan has not been destroyed, Jesus classified all humans as DEAD {Luke 9:60}

WHY?

Because the deceiver and killer is still very much around to lead them to the part of DEATH!

Remember it's this same Jesus that's revealing what we're studying now to John {Revelations 1:1} so before you can fully grasp what he is saying you must be very conversant with his use of metaphors! Matthew 8:22 smiley


That not true..

Imagine the Bible says that the righteous will be scarcely delivered how much more the unrighteous.

You can see their is no probation.



◄ 1 Peter 4:18
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 6:41am On Mar 01
Maximus69:


UNRIGHTEOUS means those who ignore or don't know God's righteous decrees, God's word said "human's righteousness is like filthy rags before God" so no one can be declared righteous on the bases of such filthy rags! sad

Of course they're all alive and NOT dead because they've been resurrected to be ruled by those who are serving as their priests and kings in heaven! smiley

But when the word of God said "the rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years ended" this means they have been resurrected but they can only be said to be living after Satan has been destroyed and he is no more around to mislead them!

As long as Satan has not been destroyed, Jesus classified all humans as DEAD {Luke 9:60}

WHY?

Because the deceiver and killer is still very much around to lead them to the part of DEATH!

Remember it's this same Jesus that's revealing what we're studying now to John {Revelations 1:1} so before you can fully grasp what he is saying you must be very conversant with his use of metaphors! Matthew 8:22 smiley



There is no probation after death.


Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. 3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 3:21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 6:41am On Mar 01
sonmvayina:


I won't be drawn into this with you... Just keep wallowing in your ignorance..

Are you running away from the question?
Mr god.

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by TATIME: 7:18am On Mar 01
blueAgent:




There is no probation after death.


Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. 3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 3:21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

This is where you're getting it wrong!

God sent out his servants to WARN wicked people, for what purpose?
To repent of their evil deeds!
Who will tell them God's standards for right and wrong?
His appointed servants!
On what basis will they be evaluated?
On the basis of God's righteous decrees!
Now if someone never knew God's righteous decrees but lived only by what he feels as good or bad, how do you think such a person can qualify for the righteousness of God? undecided undecided undecided
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by TATIME: 7:27am On Mar 01
blueAgent:



That not true..

Imagine the Bible says that the righteous will be scarcely delivered how much more the unrighteous.

You can see their is no probation.



◄ 1 Peter 4:18
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Peter is talking about Christians who will teach others God's righteous decrees after this generation is wiped out! But anyone who doesn't know what Jesus (God's son) taught can't gain everlasting life because it's ONLY on the basis of Jesus' teachings that all must be saved! When God's word said "at the mention of Jesus' name every knee MUST bow" this means whoever is going to live forever in Paradise must BOW to Jesus' orders! Please how can those who only live by their own conscience gain that?

THAT'S WHY THERE IS GOING TO BE A PROBATION under which they'll be given the opportunity to exercise faith in what Jesus taught or they'll return to non-existence! Revelations 20:13-15
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Peacefullove: 7:37am On Mar 01
PlayerMeji:
That's the ANSWER to your question, bro.

The SPIRIT goes to Heaven



Every spirit goes to heaven, good or wicked ... Eccl 12:7

This is where sense is needed
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Peacefullove: 7:43am On Mar 01
Kallmerb:


Ecclesiastes 3:18-21 KJV
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. [19] For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. [20] All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. [21] Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Matthew 10:28 KJV
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.



The body journeys end on earth and return to the dust it came from....

The main function of the body is to house the spirit... The body doesnt transit with the spirit to the heavenly realm

Calm down, oya look up what you quote, How come the same body followed Soul to Hell ? grin the funniest shit here is your pastors have always said only the soul goes to hell, How come the body was mentioned ?

To burst your bubble : How many person's have gone to hell with their bodies so far? Is Jesus lying or something is wrong with the hell in that verse ?

Think,

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Peacefullove: 7:44am On Mar 01
PlayerMeji:
Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it


EOD?


Does this differentiate Good spirit from bad ones , so you mean all spirit goes to heaven ? Hahahahaha

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Peacefullove: 7:46am On Mar 01
blueAgent:


The word spirit here you quoted means breathe or life force.

If the spirit is what goes to Heaven or Hell why do we have a resurrection?

Jesus was bodily resurrected before taken to Heaven, why?

He go still argue, tell am say going by his words, it means everyone either good or wicked will go to heaven, or does Eccl 12:7 differentiate Good from bad spirit ? Isn't that enough for a reasonable person to know spirit there is breath ?

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 7:47am On Mar 01
blueAgent:


Are you running away from the question?
Mr god.

Follow my post on the thread..
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 7:48am On Mar 01
blueAgent:


This is the dumbmest. answer I have ever heard.

Why do you think so,?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Peacefullove: 7:51am On Mar 01
Image123:


Again, who cares? Are you saved or going to heaven or hell because you know the intricacies and routes of soul and spirit? The thief on the Cross knew BARELY nothing about correctest theology compared to Demas or Ananias and Sapphira. People should dwell more on important issues like how to be with God now and eternally, than academic exercises on the itinerary of souls and spirits.

If your postulatiom that doctrine isn't important is correct, Jesus won't have told his disciples to be careful of the doctrines of the Pharisees. Lesson: what you belief matters.


In fact, if you believe in an undying human soul, You can't believe Jesus died for mankind.

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by sonmvayina(m): 7:53am On Mar 01
blueAgent:


Are you running away from the question?
Mr god.

Well, this defines me..

Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:06am On Mar 01
sonmvayina:


Well, this defines me..

Keep fooling yourself.

A bird claiming that it is a lion even for 10000yrs will not make it become one.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:08am On Mar 01
Peacefullove:


He go still argue, tell am say going by his words, it means everyone either good or wicked will go to heaven, or does Eccl 12:7 differentiate Good from bad spirit ? Isn't that enough for a reasonable person to know spirit there is breath ?

True.

Their ignorance and blind argument is epic.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:08am On Mar 01
sonmvayina:

Why do you think so,?

There are no facts or evidence to back the statement just blind comment.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:11am On Mar 01
TATIME:


Peter is talking about Christians who will teach others God's righteous decrees after this generation is wiped out! But anyone who doesn't know what Jesus (God's son) taught can't gain everlasting life because it's ONLY on the basis of Jesus' teachings that all must be saved! When God's word said "at the mention of Jesus' name every knee MUST bow" this means whoever is going to live forever in Paradise must BOW to Jesus' orders! Please how can those who only live by their own conscience gain that?

THAT'S WHY THERE IS GOING TO BE A PROBATION under which they'll be given the opportunity to exercise faith in what Jesus taught or they'll return to non-existence! Revelations 20:13-15

you are twisting Bible verses to suit your false doctrine.

Something as important and significant like this would have been mentioned clearly by God.
Why did God destroy Sodom and Gomarrah?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:12am On Mar 01
Valkrie:


Guy don't get confused...the concept of heaven and hell came totally from the Abrahamic religion to keep people like you in check 24/7 so you don't misbehave and question what they are teaching you....

From the African perspective and religion, what we have is the ancestral planes and got nothing to do with burning anybody inside fire because they don't believe in one European character is their Lord and saviour..

Let me stop here for now...

Christianity is the only true religion.

A lot people ask which religeon is the true one or do all
religeons lead to the same God? how do we know which
religeon is the true religeon? to answer this questions we will
examine the beliefs & Views of 6 of the World largest religeons
we then apply Logic/reasoning and physical and scientific
evidence to know which of the religeons has the most truth
and its Diety is the true one.
6*Buddhism:Is the 6th largest religeon with about 376million
adherents. Buddhism teaches that the World was not created
once upon a time but that the World has been created millions
of times every seconds and will continue to do so by itself
until it breaks away by itself They believe the begining of the
World & life is inconceviable. questions about the eternity and
infinity of the Universe are counted as unaswerable questions
which the Buddha see as unproductive and useless for one to
acheive enlightement. Buddha's believe in re-incarnation.
5*Chinese Traditional Religeon or Taoism(394million) : This is
the World 5th largest religeon it has its origin in China. In
Taoism creation account , in the begining of time there was
only chaos, the Heavens mixed with the Earth organization in
the Universe was sleeping in the chaos in the form of an egg.
after about 18000yrs of incubation the egg hatched into pure
elements called Heavens or Yang and less pure element called
the Earth or Yin from the Yang & Yin a great gaint Pan Ku was
born who with the assistance of a Phoenix ,Tortoise,Dragon &
Unicorn shaped the World the way we know today.
4*Hinduism:Hinduism is the World 3rd largest religeon with
900million adherents in Hinduism there are no clear or
consistent account of the origin of the life or the Universe
some creation theories are life coming from the cracking of an
enormous egg which is the life from which the Universe is born
to accounts like Brahman seperating a flower into 3parts
Heavens,Earth & Sky,In the hymn of creation from Rig Veda it
is concluded that nobody knows how the Universe came into
being and even questions weather Brahma knows.
3*Non-religeous group(secular,Agnostic,Atheist): This is the
3rd largest group With about 1.1billion adherents this group
lacks a founder,religeous laws,or written scriptures no Diety is
worshipped or recognised, non-religeous people support liberal
views and believe that Man can over his challenges. non-
religeous adherents believe the Universe came into existence
through bigbang, while life originated through several natural
process that later evolued to Humans they believe that Matter
and Universe were always existing thus they are eternal.
2* Islam: is the World 2nd largest religeon with over 1.2billion
adherents Islam was founded by prophet Muhammad.Islam is
a monotheistic religeon, in Islam it is believed that the
Universe was created by Allah it is also believed that Prophet
Muhammed was influnced by Jews living in Arabia, this had
much impact on his writings and stories in Quran, hence the
source of some similarities with Bible stories.
1*Christainity:Is the World largest religeon with over 2.2billion
adherents Christain beliefs and doctrine are based on the
inspired word of God called the Bible Christains believe that
Jesus is Son of God who died as a sacrifice for the sins of
humanity, christains believe that God created the Universe by
his power & wisdom & that Humans were made by God in his
image. evil & suffering is seen as the consquences of sin.
Adherents believe that God who is love,mercifull & just will
destory evil & restore the Universe to one of peace & love
Points to consider.
We will now consider some established facts and evidence.
1.Matter & Universe
2.Origin of Life
3. Law & Order
4. Self Evidence and revelation
5. Authority
1. Scientists have discovered that our Universe has a begining,
this implies that it was caused to exist and it is not eternal.
This raises the question of weather mind (conscouisness)
proceeded matter or matter proceed the mind.
Applying logic will tell us that mind proceeded matter for
nothing can come from nothing this point disqualifies the
religeons & dieties of Taoism,Hinduism and non-religeous
group as the true religeon or god since they hold the view that
matter proceeds mind and the Universe and matter is eternal.
2.Origin of Life: The law of Abiogenesis states that life can
only come from an existing life.
Since mind proceeds matter the true diety must be self
existent thus it does not require a source of life. This
disqualifies the gods of Taoism,hinduism,buddhism & non-
religeous religeons as the true god since they were either born
(have a beginning) or got life from matter(non-living thing)
This is illogical and Scienctifically impossible.
3.Law & Order:Scientist have observed that the Universe is
controlled by certain set laws e.g the law of gravity,force,
energy Atomicity, laws of space,e.t.c and constants that make
life possible this is called The Anthropic Principle by Scientists.
Law & order can only be insistuted by a mind or
conscouisness who is the lawgiver, be it moral laws or natural
laws This point disqualifies the gods of
Taoism,budahism,hindisum since they have no laws or written
scriptures it also disqualifies the non-religeous group as the
true religeon as they lack written scriptures,a founder(mind or
law giver) or established laws & Norms matter cannot insistute
laws & order.
4.Self evidence & revelation:
A major way to know and understand the real diety is by self
evidence or revelations given to us by the diety, in Hinduism
there is no clear or consistent account of the existence of a
diety, in Taoism & Shinto there are no inspired written
scriptures by the diety identifying himself and revealing his
Character, nature,Power and its purpose for mankind
This point also disqualifies non-religeous group as natural
processes reveal/ show evidence of design rather than
random events.
5.Authority: As a supreme being a true diety would excerise its
authorithes over the entire Universe and its inhabitant,the true
god will claim ownership, issue commands and decree as well
as pass judgements.
In Shinto & Taoism the diety Pan ku after 18000yrs of creating
and building the World died and their are no written scriptures
that express the authority and power of the diety Pan Kung
and Shinto this point also disqulifies the gods of buddahism &
hinduism.
Another argument against buddhism & hinduism is that the
Universe undergoing an infinite series of births and death is
impossible as each cycle must have less energy avialable than
the last and if it has been happening for eternity everything
and person would have been dead.
Examining the Christain Diety(God)
*Matter & Universe: Since the Universe have been proven to
have a begining then it must have been started by an
uncaused mind or being
Isaiah 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that
inhabiteth ETERNITY, whose name is Holy.
Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all
things consist.
Secondly We all agree that nothing can come from nothing
then matter must have been made from invisible things and
not from things seen The bible God gives us the answer.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth. Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning
and the end, the first and the last. Romans 1:20 For the
invisible things of him from the creation of the world are
clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,
even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without
excuse.
1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible,
the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever.
Amen.
*Law & Order:this requires a law giver the Christain God gives
us the answer.
Isaiah 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our
lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.
In Jeremiah 33:25 Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not
with day and night, and if I have
not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
Job 38:33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou
set the dominion thereof in
the earth? and also in Jeremiah 31:35 Thus saith the LORD,
which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of
the moon and of the stars
for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves
thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name.
*Origin of Life:The law of Abiogenesis has never been
disproved that means life must have come from an uncaused
life
The Christain diety reveals itself as the only being who has life
inherently. John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light
of men. John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so
hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
*Self evidence & Revelation. The bible the inspired word of
God reveals several scientific facts about the Universe
thousands of years before science could have known them eg
water cycle,Job 36:27-28, expanding Universe, Psalms
104:2 ,Earth suspended in space,Job 26:7, Shape of the Earth,
Isaiah 40:22
Wind cycles,Ecclesiastes 1:6, genetics, Genesis 30 ,Laws of
the Universe, Size of the Universe Jeremiah 31:37, Number of
Stars, Jeremiah 33:22, Space travel.
The bible also fortells of future events thousands of years
before they were fufilled it also declear how the Universe was
made. All through the Bible the character of God is been
revealed as merciful,kind,Righteous and just.
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from
ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My
counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
*Authority: God through the Bible declears himself as the sole
creator and sustainer of the Universe and commands his
creatures to Worship and adore him.
Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the
LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
1 Chronicles 16:26 For all the gods of the people are idols: but
the LORD made the heavens. Isaiah 45:12 I have made the
earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have
stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I
commanded.
1 Chronicles 16:26 For all the gods of the people are idols: but
the LORD made the heavens. Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the
LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the
earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in
vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is
none else.
*Consistent & verifiable:The bible writings and record are
consistent (every part of the bible agrees with each other)The
bible is the only book that provides answers to man's problem
& questions, many stories events and personalities in the bible
have been verified and confirmed to have happened or existed
by Archaeologists and historians
In Conclusion
After considering the facts with the physical and scientific
evidence available it becomes clear that Christainity is the
only religeon that meets and fufills all the points we raised only
christainity has absolute truth in it, while islam and Quran
share certain Christain views, it is known to have many
inconsistent and unproven facts.
God is the only true God who alone made the Heavens and
Earth every other gods and their religeons are nothing but
myths and human inventions.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:13am On Mar 01
Valkrie:


Guy don't get confused...the concept of heaven and hell came totally from the Abrahamic religion to keep people like you in check 24/7 so you don't misbehave and question what they are teaching you....

From the African perspective and religion, what we have is the ancestral planes and got nothing to do with burning anybody inside fire because they don't believe in one European character is their Lord and saviour..

Let me stop here for now...

https://www.nairaland.com/4746846/lets-find-out-true-religeon
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:16am On Mar 01
TATIME:


This is where you're getting it wrong!

God sent out his servants to WARN wicked people, for what purpose?
To repent of their evil deeds!
Who will tell them God's standards for right and wrong?
His appointed servants!
On what basis will they be evaluated?
On the basis of God's righteous decrees!
Now if someone never knew God's righteous decrees but lived only by what he feels as good or bad, how do you think such a person can qualify for the righteousness of God? undecided undecided undecided

The answer is given to us in,
Romans 2:12.
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be
judged by the law;
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:17am On Mar 01
Image123:


Oh, brainy theology of whether spirit or soul go to Heaven is what determines eternal destiny?
Am sure you did not know the truth on this issue till you read this post.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:17am On Mar 01
TATIME:


This is where you're getting it wrong!

God sent out his servants to WARN wicked people, for what purpose?
To repent of their evil deeds!
Who will tell them God's standards for right and wrong?
His appointed servants!
On what basis will they be evaluated?
On the basis of God's righteous decrees!
Now if someone never knew God's righteous decrees but lived only by what he feels as good or bad, how do you think such a person can qualify for the righteousness of God? undecided undecided undecided

Romans 2:12

Contemporary English Version
Those people who don't know about God's Law will still be
punished for what they do wrong. And the Law will be used to
judge everyone who knows what it says.
Good News Translation
The Gentiles do not have the Law of Moses; they sin and are
lost apart from the Law. The Jews have the Law; they sin and
are judged by the Law.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
All those who sinned without the law will also perish without
the law, and all those who sinned under the law will be judged
by the law.
International Standard Version
For all who have sinned apart from the Law will also perish
apart from the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law
will be judged by the Law.
NET Bible
For all who have sinned apart from the law will also perish
apart from the law, and all who have sinned under the law will
be judged by the law.
New Heart English Bible
For as many as have sinned without the law will also perish
without the law. As many as have sinned under the law will be
judged by the law.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For those who have sinned without The Written Law are also
destroyed without The Written Law, and those who sinned with
The Written Law will be judged by The Written Law.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Here's the reason: Whoever sins without having laws from God
will still be condemned to destruction. And whoever has laws
from God and sins will still be judged by them.
New American Standard 1977
For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish
without the Law; and all who have sinned under the Law will
be judged by the Law;
King James 2000 Bible
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be
judged by the law;
American King James Version
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be
judged by the law;
American Standard Version
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law
shall be judged by the law;
Douay-Rheims Bible
For whosoever have sinned without the law, shall perish
without the law; and whosoever have sinned in the law, shall
be judged by the law.
Darby Bible Translation
For as many as have sinned without law shall perish also
without law; and as many as have sinned under law shall be
judged by law,
English Revised Version
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned under law shall be
judged by law;
Webster's Bible Translation
For as many as have sinned without law, shall also perish
without law: and as many as have sinned in the law, shall be
judged by the law,
Weymouth New Testament
For all who have sinned apart from the Law will also perish
apart from the Law, and all who have sinned whilst living
under the Law, will be judged by the Law.
World English Bible
For as many as have sinned without law will also perish
without the law. As many as have sinned under the law will be
judged by the law.
Young's Literal Translation
for as many as without law did sin, without law also shall
perish, and as many as did sin in law, through law shall be
judged,
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by orisa37: 9:18am On Mar 01
All of us are made of FOUR LIVING CREATURES OF GOD. THEY'RE FOUR SPIRITS AND ALL HAVE ETERNAL DAMNATION OR LIFE AS THE LORD PLEASES.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:28am On Mar 01
orisa37:
All of us are made of FOUR LIVING CREATURES OF GOD. THEY'RE FOUR SPIRITS AND ALL HAVE ETERNAL DAMNATION OR LIFE AS THE LORD PLEASES.


Says who, God or man?

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