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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:30am On Mar 01
Peacefullove:


If your postulatiom that doctrine isn't important is correct, Jesus won't have told his disciples to be careful of the doctrines of the Pharisees. Lesson: what you belief matters.


In fact, if you believe in an undying human soul, You can't believe Jesus died for mankind.

Very true.

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:33am On Mar 01
TATIME:


Peter is talking about Christians who will teach others God's righteous decrees after this generation is wiped out! But anyone who doesn't know what Jesus (God's son) taught can't gain everlasting life because it's ONLY on the basis of Jesus' teachings that all must be saved! When God's word said "at the mention of Jesus' name every knee MUST bow" this means whoever is going to live forever in Paradise must BOW to Jesus' orders! Please how can those who only live by their own conscience gain that?

THAT'S WHY THERE IS GOING TO BE A PROBATION under which they'll be given the opportunity to exercise faith in what Jesus taught or they'll return to non-existence! Revelations 20:13-15


There is no proof of this in the Bible.

Here is the truth on how God will judge those who have heard about Jesus and those who have not.

In Romans 2:12-15 it states, “For all who have sinned without
the Law will also perish without the Law; and all who have
sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; for not the
hearers of the Law are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law unto themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness, and their thoughts ultimately accusing or defending them. In the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel. ”

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:44am On Mar 01
TATIME:


Peter is talking about Christians who will teach others God's righteous decrees after this generation is wiped out! But anyone who doesn't know what Jesus (God's son) taught can't gain everlasting life because it's ONLY on the basis of Jesus' teachings that all must be saved! When God's word said "at the mention of Jesus' name every knee MUST bow" this means whoever is going to live forever in Paradise must BOW to Jesus' orders! Please how can those who only live by their own conscience gain that?

THAT'S WHY THERE IS GOING TO BE A PROBATION under which they'll be given the opportunity to exercise faith in what Jesus taught or they'll return to non-existence! Revelations 20:13-15

God will judge according to the light they have been given. The
Scriptural principle if someone lives up to the revealed truth
God has already given, no matter how small, he will give them
more to pursue until they come to a saving knowledge of him.
Light obeyed increases more light. Obey what you know and
he will give you understanding of what you don't know. God's
grace is great and he does use a supernatural means to
rescue people, whether it is an angel or by a missionary sent
or directly by Himself. The purpose is to bring people to a
saving faith for their sins to be forgiven
Mt.13:12: “ For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he
will have abundance; but to whoever does not have, even what
he has will be taken away.” If we are teachable, it is profitable,
“more will be given .” The condition of increase is by our hearts
openness. If you do not respond correctly what light you have
been given will be taken away. He who lays hold of truth and
uses it will receive more enlightenment, but he who refuses to
appropriate truth will lose even the understanding of truth he
once had been given. But if someone does not live up to the
light given there will be enough to judge them. When they have
rejected the light already given, they will not receive any more
light instead blindness sets in. John 12:46-48: “I have come as
a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not
abide in darkness. ” And if anyone hears My words and does
not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge
the world but to save the world” He who rejects Me, and does
not receive My words, has that which judges him-- the word
that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.” They who
have rejected God's salvation message have made themselves
objects of God’s wrath by refusing the truth, they loved a lie in
its place.
What you think might happen or might not happen to someone
else does not relieve your responsibility on Judgment Day.
Although we might not be able to answer the question about
those who haven’t heard to the satisfaction of everyone, there
are certain things that the Bible has made clear.
People who have never heard the gospel will not be judged by
God because of the gospel, they will be judged because they
are sinful. The gospel is there to cure their sin. It can be seen
that God will fairly judge all mankind and that no one can
claim that he or she received an unfair hearing. Therefore, the
people who ask this question should be very careful not to use
this as an excuse for themselves not coming to Christ. It is a
fact that people willfully blind themselves.
One person put it this way, “Many things in the Bible I cannot
understand; many things in the Bible I only think I understand;
but there are many things in the Bible I cannot
misunderstand” (Anonymous). Mark Twain said, “Its not the
things that I don't understand in the Bible that concerns me,
but the things I do understand.” We will not be judged on what
we do not know as much as we will be judged on what we do
know. James 4:17: “Therefore, to him who knows to do good
and does not do it, to him it is sin.” We are held accountable
for what we do know by what we have seen in nature, His
creation.
So, what of the question of those who have not heard? Are
they any less responsible than those who have heard? This
cannot be used to relieve the individual of any personal
responsibility to God and place it on someone else. To say
“what if” is no excuse . Most of the people who say what of
the other people have already heard the message of the
gospel and rejected it' so they want to find a flaw in the
character of God. When one understands there own true
position, then the objection falls beyond debate. The writer to
the Hebrews remarks, “How can we escape if we neglect so
great a salvation?” (Heb. 2:3) Rom. 10:17-21: “So then faith
comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God But I say,
have they not heard? Yes indeed: “Their sound has gone out to
all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world .”
But I say, did Israel not know? First Moses says: “I will
provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a nation, I will
move you to anger by a foolish nation.” But Isaiah is very bold
and says: “I was found by those who did not seek Me; I was
made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.” But to Israel
he says: “All day long I have stretched out My hands to a
disobedient and contrary people.” Israel who was given the
oracles, the prophets will be held to a higher standard than
those on a remote island. To whom much is given much is
required.
Deut.29:29 says, “The secret things belong to God but those
things revealed belong to us and our children.” 2 Cor.2:10-11:
“But God has revealed them to us by his spirit, for the spirit
searches all things, yes the deep things of God…Even so no one
knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.”
Again, God has not revealed all but we can trust His judgment
completely because it is founded on mercy and motivated by
love. Whatever He does will be perfect and just.

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by TATIME: 12:43pm On Mar 01
blueAgent:


God will judge according to the light they have been given. The
Scriptural principle if someone lives up to the revealed truth
God has already given, no matter how small, he will give them
more to pursue until they come to a saving knowledge of him.
Light obeyed increases more light. Obey what you know and
he will give you understanding of what you don't know. God's
grace is great and he does use a supernatural means to
rescue people, whether it is an angel or by a missionary sent
or directly by Himself. The purpose is to bring people to a
saving faith for their sins to be forgiven
Mt.13:12: “ For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he
will have abundance; but to whoever does not have, even what
he has will be taken away.” If we are teachable, it is profitable,
“more will be given .” The condition of increase is by our hearts
openness. If you do not respond correctly what light you have
been given will be taken away. He who lays hold of truth and
uses it will receive more enlightenment, but he who refuses to
appropriate truth will lose even the understanding of truth he
once had been given. But if someone does not live up to the
light given there will be enough to judge them. When they have
rejected the light already given, they will not receive any more
light instead blindness sets in. John 12:46-48: “I have come as
a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not
abide in darkness. ” And if anyone hears My words and does
not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge
the world but to save the world” He who rejects Me, and does
not receive My words, has that which judges him-- the word
that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.” They who
have rejected God's salvation message have made themselves
objects of God’s wrath by refusing the truth, they loved a lie in
its place.
What you think might happen or might not happen to someone
else does not relieve your responsibility on Judgment Day.
Although we might not be able to answer the question about
those who haven’t heard to the satisfaction of everyone, there
are certain things that the Bible has made clear.
People who have never heard the gospel will not be judged by
God because of the gospel, they will be judged because they
are sinful. The gospel is there to cure their sin. It can be seen
that God will fairly judge all mankind and that no one can
claim that he or she received an unfair hearing. Therefore, the
people who ask this question should be very careful not to use
this as an excuse for themselves not coming to Christ. It is a
fact that people willfully blind themselves.
One person put it this way, “Many things in the Bible I cannot
understand; many things in the Bible I only think I understand;
but there are many things in the Bible I cannot
misunderstand” (Anonymous). Mark Twain said, “Its not the
things that I don't understand in the Bible that concerns me,
but the things I do understand.” We will not be judged on what
we do not know as much as we will be judged on what we do
know. James 4:17: “Therefore, to him who knows to do good
and does not do it, to him it is sin.” We are held accountable
for what we do know by what we have seen in nature, His
creation.
So, what of the question of those who have not heard? Are
they any less responsible than those who have heard? This
cannot be used to relieve the individual of any personal
responsibility to God and place it on someone else. To say
“what if” is no excuse . Most of the people who say what of
the other people have already heard the message of the
gospel and rejected it' so they want to find a flaw in the
character of God. When one understands there own true
position, then the objection falls beyond debate. The writer to
the Hebrews remarks, “How can we escape if we neglect so
great a salvation?” (Heb. 2:3) Rom. 10:17-21: “So then faith
comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God But I say,
have they not heard? Yes indeed: “Their sound has gone out to
all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world .”
But I say, did Israel not know? First Moses says: “I will
provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a nation, I will
move you to anger by a foolish nation.” But Isaiah is very bold
and says: “I was found by those who did not seek Me; I was
made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.” But to Israel
he says: “All day long I have stretched out My hands to a
disobedient and contrary people.” Israel who was given the
oracles, the prophets will be held to a higher standard than
those on a remote island. To whom much is given much is
required.
Deut.29:29 says, “The secret things belong to God but those
things revealed belong to us and our children.” 2 Cor.2:10-11:
“But God has revealed them to us by his spirit, for the spirit
searches all things, yes the deep things of God…Even so no one
knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.”
Again, God has not revealed all but we can trust His judgment
completely because it is founded on mercy and motivated by
love. Whatever He does will be perfect and just.

If God will declare some people righteous WITHOUT THE TEACHING OF JESUS, then what did Jesus send his followers to go and TEACH people in the MOST DISTANT PART OF THE EARTH? Matthew 28:19-20;Act 1:8 undecided
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Valkrie: 6:56pm On Mar 01
blueAgent:


Christianity is the only true religion.

A lot people ask which religeon is the true one or do all
religeons lead to the same God? how do we know which
religeon is the true religeon? to answer this questions we will
examine the beliefs & Views of 6 of the World largest religeons
we then apply Logic/reasoning and physical and scientific
evidence to know which of the religeons has the most truth
and its Diety is the true one.
6*Buddhism:Is the 6th largest religeon with about 376million
adherents. Buddhism teaches that the World was not created
once upon a time but that the World has been created millions
of times every seconds and will continue to do so by itself
until it breaks away by itself They believe the begining of the
World & life is inconceviable. questions about the eternity and
infinity of the Universe are counted as unaswerable questions
which the Buddha see as unproductive and useless for one to
acheive enlightement. Buddha's believe in re-incarnation.
5*Chinese Traditional Religeon or Taoism(394million) : This is
the World 5th largest religeon it has its origin in China. In
Taoism creation account , in the begining of time there was
only chaos, the Heavens mixed with the Earth organization in
the Universe was sleeping in the chaos in the form of an egg.
after about 18000yrs of incubation the egg hatched into pure
elements called Heavens or Yang and less pure element called
the Earth or Yin from the Yang & Yin a great gaint Pan Ku was
born who with the assistance of a Phoenix ,Tortoise,Dragon &
Unicorn shaped the World the way we know today.
4*Hinduism:Hinduism is the World 3rd largest religeon with
900million adherents in Hinduism there are no clear or
consistent account of the origin of the life or the Universe
some creation theories are life coming from the cracking of an
enormous egg which is the life from which the Universe is born
to accounts like Brahman seperating a flower into 3parts
Heavens,Earth & Sky,In the hymn of creation from Rig Veda it
is concluded that nobody knows how the Universe came into
being and even questions weather Brahma knows.
3*Non-religeous group(secular,Agnostic,Atheist): This is the
3rd largest group With about 1.1billion adherents this group
lacks a founder,religeous laws,or written scriptures no Diety is
worshipped or recognised, non-religeous people support liberal
views and believe that Man can over his challenges. non-
religeous adherents believe the Universe came into existence
through bigbang, while life originated through several natural
process that later evolued to Humans they believe that Matter
and Universe were always existing thus they are eternal.
2* Islam: is the World 2nd largest religeon with over 1.2billion
adherents Islam was founded by prophet Muhammad.Islam is
a monotheistic religeon, in Islam it is believed that the
Universe was created by Allah it is also believed that Prophet
Muhammed was influnced by Jews living in Arabia, this had
much impact on his writings and stories in Quran, hence the
source of some similarities with Bible stories.
1*Christainity:Is the World largest religeon with over 2.2billion
adherents Christain beliefs and doctrine are based on the
inspired word of God called the Bible Christains believe that
Jesus is Son of God who died as a sacrifice for the sins of
humanity, christains believe that God created the Universe by
his power & wisdom & that Humans were made by God in his
image. evil & suffering is seen as the consquences of sin.
Adherents believe that God who is love,mercifull & just will
destory evil & restore the Universe to one of peace & love
Points to consider.
We will now consider some established facts and evidence.
1.Matter & Universe
2.Origin of Life
3. Law & Order
4. Self Evidence and revelation
5. Authority
1. Scientists have discovered that our Universe has a begining,
this implies that it was caused to exist and it is not eternal.
This raises the question of weather mind (conscouisness)
proceeded matter or matter proceed the mind.
Applying logic will tell us that mind proceeded matter for
nothing can come from nothing this point disqualifies the
religeons & dieties of Taoism,Hinduism and non-religeous
group as the true religeon or god since they hold the view that
matter proceeds mind and the Universe and matter is eternal.
2.Origin of Life: The law of Abiogenesis states that life can
only come from an existing life.
Since mind proceeds matter the true diety must be self
existent thus it does not require a source of life. This
disqualifies the gods of Taoism,hinduism,buddhism & non-
religeous religeons as the true god since they were either born
(have a beginning) or got life from matter(non-living thing)
This is illogical and Scienctifically impossible.
3.Law & Order:Scientist have observed that the Universe is
controlled by certain set laws e.g the law of gravity,force,
energy Atomicity, laws of space,e.t.c and constants that make
life possible this is called The Anthropic Principle by Scientists.
Law & order can only be insistuted by a mind or
conscouisness who is the lawgiver, be it moral laws or natural
laws This point disqualifies the gods of
Taoism,budahism,hindisum since they have no laws or written
scriptures it also disqualifies the non-religeous group as the
true religeon as they lack written scriptures,a founder(mind or
law giver) or established laws & Norms matter cannot insistute
laws & order.
4.Self evidence & revelation:
A major way to know and understand the real diety is by self
evidence or revelations given to us by the diety, in Hinduism
there is no clear or consistent account of the existence of a
diety, in Taoism & Shinto there are no inspired written
scriptures by the diety identifying himself and revealing his
Character, nature,Power and its purpose for mankind
This point also disqualifies non-religeous group as natural
processes reveal/ show evidence of design rather than
random events.
5.Authority: As a supreme being a true diety would excerise its
authorithes over the entire Universe and its inhabitant,the true
god will claim ownership, issue commands and decree as well
as pass judgements.
In Shinto & Taoism the diety Pan ku after 18000yrs of creating
and building the World died and their are no written scriptures
that express the authority and power of the diety Pan Kung
and Shinto this point also disqulifies the gods of buddahism &
hinduism.
Another argument against buddhism & hinduism is that the
Universe undergoing an infinite series of births and death is
impossible as each cycle must have less energy avialable than
the last and if it has been happening for eternity everything
and person would have been dead.
Examining the Christain Diety(God)
*Matter & Universe: Since the Universe have been proven to
have a begining then it must have been started by an
uncaused mind or being
Isaiah 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that
inhabiteth ETERNITY, whose name is Holy.
Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all
things consist.
Secondly We all agree that nothing can come from nothing
then matter must have been made from invisible things and
not from things seen The bible God gives us the answer.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth. Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning
and the end, the first and the last. Romans 1:20 For the
invisible things of him from the creation of the world are
clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,
even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without
excuse.
1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible,
the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever.
Amen.
*Law & Order:this requires a law giver the Christain God gives
us the answer.
Isaiah 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our
lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.
In Jeremiah 33:25 Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not
with day and night, and if I have
not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
Job 38:33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou
set the dominion thereof in
the earth? and also in Jeremiah 31:35 Thus saith the LORD,
which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of
the moon and of the stars
for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves
thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name.
*Origin of Life:The law of Abiogenesis has never been
disproved that means life must have come from an uncaused
life
The Christain diety reveals itself as the only being who has life
inherently. John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light
of men. John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so
hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
*Self evidence & Revelation. The bible the inspired word of
God reveals several scientific facts about the Universe
thousands of years before science could have known them eg
water cycle,Job 36:27-28, expanding Universe, Psalms
104:2 ,Earth suspended in space,Job 26:7, Shape of the Earth,
Isaiah 40:22
Wind cycles,Ecclesiastes 1:6, genetics, Genesis 30 ,Laws of
the Universe, Size of the Universe Jeremiah 31:37, Number of
Stars, Jeremiah 33:22, Space travel.
The bible also fortells of future events thousands of years
before they were fufilled it also declear how the Universe was
made. All through the Bible the character of God is been
revealed as merciful,kind,Righteous and just.
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from
ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My
counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
*Authority: God through the Bible declears himself as the sole
creator and sustainer of the Universe and commands his
creatures to Worship and adore him.
Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the
LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
1 Chronicles 16:26 For all the gods of the people are idols: but
the LORD made the heavens. Isaiah 45:12 I have made the
earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have
stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I
commanded.
1 Chronicles 16:26 For all the gods of the people are idols: but
the LORD made the heavens. Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the
LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the
earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in
vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is
none else.
*Consistent & verifiable:The bible writings and record are
consistent (every part of the bible agrees with each other)The
bible is the only book that provides answers to man's problem
& questions, many stories events and personalities in the bible
have been verified and confirmed to have happened or existed
by Archaeologists and historians
In Conclusion
After considering the facts with the physical and scientific
evidence available it becomes clear that Christainity is the
only religeon that meets and fufills all the points we raised only
christainity has absolute truth in it, while islam and Quran
share certain Christain views, it is known to have many
inconsistent and unproven facts.
God is the only true God who alone made the Heavens and
Earth every other gods and their religeons are nothing but
myths and human inventions.

I would simply just re-emphasize, religion is man made and no religion is more truthful than the other, all are created to achieve certain purpose and nothing more....

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:42pm On Mar 01
Valkrie:


I would simply just re-emphasize, religion is man made and no religion is more truthful than the other, all are created to achieve certain purpose and nothing more....

Religion is not man made.

What is the purpose?
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:54pm On Mar 01
TATIME:


If God will declare some people righteous WITHOUT THE TEACHING OF JESUS, then what did Jesus send his followers to go and TEACH people in the MOST DISTANT PART OF THE EARTH? Matthew 28:19-20;Act 1:8 undecided

And if God would give people probation, why will he bother people to go and die while preaching the gospel?

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Valkrie: 10:25pm On Mar 01
blueAgent:


Religion is not man made.

What is the purpose?

Control and nothing more bro..

You think people go to church and mosque because they love Mohammed and Jesus? Nope..they go there so they don't get burnt in everlasting fire on the last day and also reap reward at the end should they abide by the rules set...!!

Discount the fire from religion and you would see what happens ..
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 11:24pm On Mar 01
Valkrie:


Control and nothing more bro..

You think people go to church and mosque because they love Mohammed and Jesus? Nope..they go there so they don't get burnt in everlasting fire on the last day and also reap reward at the end should they abide by the rules set...!!

Discount the fire from religion and you would see what happens ..

Thats not true.

If any, it is a positive one imagine what would happen without religion?

Religeon is as old as Man
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 8:04am On Mar 02
blueAgent:


And if God would give people probation, why will he bother people to go and die while preaching the gospel?

Probation is meant only for those who had not been warned! undecided

From the time of creation there has never been a time God deliver his Judgement on any generation WITHOUT FIRST SENDING HIS SERVANT TO GO AND WARN THEM!

So the intended PROBATION is for people of the nations who lived virtuous lives in wherever they may be by conscience but knew nothing about God's law.
The gospel of Christ must be preached to them first before God's final judgement, after they've been resurrected as UNRIGHTEOUS (for not knowing the righteousness of the true God) they'll be taught God's righteous decrees during the 1000 years reign of Christ, whoever refuses to yield despite having no alternative form of worship to cause distraction will die naturally at a hundred years of age as a youth {Isaiah 65:20} those who agreed to live as Christians will survive for 1000 years, it's after they've been trained to perfection that Satan will be released to test everyone living on planet earth for the last time {Revelations 20:7-8} by then the grace of Jesus ransom sacrifice can't save anyone again because each will be standing as a perfect man just like Adam!
That's why the Bible said whatever each person does that time will serve as the basis to judge them whether they'll live or die forever! Revelations 20:13-15

The 1,000 year reign of Christ is also referred to as the day of judgment, because that's when all the resurrected ones will have to prove before God that if there is no fear of sickness, suffering, poverty or death they will remain loyal to God unlike our first human parents who rebelled against God when they had no reason to do so!

Jesus' rulership ends when everyone living on earth by that time have become perfect and after the final test all those who still fell for Satan's tricks will be destroyed with Satan, then after his assignments has been completed, Jesus will hand over everything back to his/our God and King! 1Corinthians 15:24-28
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:35am On Mar 02
Maximus69:


Probation is meant only for those who had not been warned! undecided

From the time of creation there has never been a time God deliver his Judgement on any generation WITHOUT FIRST SENDING HIS SERVANT TO GO AND WARN THEM!

So the intended PROBATION is for people of the nations who lived virtuous lives in wherever they may be by conscience but knew nothing about God's law.
The gospel of Christ must be preached to them first before God's final judgement, after they've been resurrected as UNRIGHTEOUS (for not knowing the righteousness of the true God) they'll be taught God's righteous decrees during the 1000 years reign of Christ, whoever refuses to yield despite having no alternative form of worship to cause distraction will die naturally at a hundred years of age as a youth {Isaiah 65:20} those who agreed to live as Christians will survive for 1000 years, it's after they've been trained to perfection that Satan will be released to test everyone living on planet earth for the last time {Revelations 20:7-8} by then the grace of Jesus ransom sacrifice can't save anyone again because each will be standing as a perfect man just like Adam!
That's why the Bible said whatever each person does that time will serve as the basis to judge them whether they'll live or die forever! Revelations 20:13-15

The 1,000 year reign of Christ is also referred to as the day of judgment, because that's when all the resurrected ones will have to prove before God that if there is no fear of sickness, suffering, poverty or death they will remain loyal to God unlike our first human parents who rebelled against God when they had no reason to do so!

Jesus' rulership ends when everyone living on earth by that time have become perfect and after the final test all those who still fell for Satan's tricks will be destroyed with Satan, then after his assignments has been completed, Jesus will hand over everything back to his/our Godand King! 1Corinthians 15:24-28

Which law, I thought you said the law was abolished?

No where in the bible is a hint or evidence of probation ever given in the Bible.

its is a grevious sin for one to add to God's word.

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 9:55am On Mar 02
blueAgent:


(1)Which law, I thought you said the law was abolished?

(2)No where in the bible is a hint or evidence of probation ever given in the Bible.

(3)its is a grevious sin for one to add to God's word.

(1) The law that leads to salvation is based on Jesus' thoughts, words and actions. The previous Mosaic laws was to guide the Israelites to this PERFECT law of Christ so that they'll be the nation to teach other nations about the law of Christ!

(2)There is! If you don't ask thought provoking questions you won't know! That's why i asked you of what happens to those who never knew God's laws? If God declare them righteous based on their conscience then why are you quoting the Bible as means to attain righteousness? If God declare virtuous people of the nations righteous then all of them should be judge NOT by what God gave the Israelites in the Bible but on conscience! smiley

(3) That is true and it's applicable to those who don't understand God's righteous decrees but trying to establish their own righteousness. Romans 10:2-4
All i've been telling you is that NOBODY gets into God's kingdom without first passing through his righteous decrees and you're here saying it doesn't matter! undecided
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 1:02pm On Mar 02
Maximus69:


(1) The law that leads to salvation is based on Jesus' thoughts, words and actions. The previous Mosaic laws was to guide the Israelites to this PERFECT law of Christ so that they'll be the nation to teach other nations about the law of Christ!

(2)There is! If you don't ask thought provoking questions you won't know! That's why i asked you of what happens to those who never knew God's laws? If God declare them righteous based on their conscience then why are you quoting the Bible as means to attain righteousness? If God declare virtuous people of the nations righteous then all of them should be judge NOT by what God gave the Israelites in the Bible but on conscience! smiley

(3) That is true and it's applicable to those who don't understand God's righteous decrees but trying to establish their own righteousness. Romans 10:2-4
All i've been telling you is that NOBODY gets into God's kingdom without first passing through his righteous decrees and you're here saying it doesn't matter! undecided


There is no proof of what you wrote here in the Bible.

The only sure word is God's word and it says people will be judged by their conscience.
In Romans 2:12-15 it states, “For all who have sinned without
the Law will also perish without the Law; and all who have
sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; for not the
hearers of the Law are just before God, but the doers of the
Law will be justified. For when Gentiles who do not have the
Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having
the Law, are a law unto themselves, in that they show the
work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience
bearing witness, and their thoughts ultimately accusing or
defending them. In the day when God will judge the secrets of
men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel. ”


Stop adding to God's word.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 7:30pm On Mar 02
blueAgent:


There is no proof of what you wrote here in the Bible.

The only sure word is God's word and it says people will be judged by their conscience.
In Romans 2:12-15 it states, “For all who have sinned without
the Law will also perish without the Law; and all who have
sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; for not the
hearers of the Law are just before God, but the doers of the
Law will be justified. For when Gentiles who do not have the
Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having
the Law, are a law unto themselves, in that they show the
work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience
bearing witness, and their thoughts ultimately accusing or
defending them. In the day when God will judge the secrets of
men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel. ”


Stop adding to God's word.

Why are you now quoting the Bible if God will declare people righteous based on CONSCIENCE? smiley

Paul never said the people of the nations will be declared righteous based on their conscience!

What he is saying is that their conscience is judging or declaring them righteous on their own, but God will judge them based on his own standard.

That's why they must be resurrected as "UNRIGHTEOUS" to be trained as Christians!

NOBODY gets into God's kingdom without Jesus!

That's what i want you to know! smiley

Where we differ is that you're thinking God will resurrect wicked people and start all over again to judge them! cheesy

People like Cain, Noah's stubborn contemporaries, Sodom and Gomorrah, Pharaoh of Egypt and so many other evil people that God have destroyed with his own hands just to line them up for questioning right? cheesy

My friend, those ones are gone for good!

The UNRIGHTEOUS to be resurrected means people who lived by conscience but NOT according to the righteousness of God! smiley
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 7:37pm On Mar 02
Maximus69:


Why are you now quoting the Bible if God will declare people righteous based on CONSCIENCE? smiley
j

Because that what the Bible said.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 7:44pm On Mar 02
blueAgent:
j

Because that what the Bible said.


Bible said God will declare some people of the nations righteous by conscience but other people from the same nations must believe in a Jewish teacher!

My friend, you're funny Walahi Talahi smiley

So a Muslim, Buddhist, Pagan and so on need not accept the teaching of Christ so far he has good conscience shey? cheesy

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by TATIME: 7:59pm On Mar 02
blueAgent:
j

Because that what the Bible said.


What exactly did the Bible say?

That people of the nations will be declared righteous by fine works based on conscience or by faith in Christ Jesus?

Note that this people have so many customs that God's law forbids amongst his own people! So what exactly are you saying?

That God will overlook their worthless traditions, customs, abominable deeda and declare them righteous or they must come to learn about God's righteousness from the Bible (Jewish story book) that you're now quoting? sad sad sad
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 8:07pm On Mar 02
TATIME:


What exactly did the Bible say?

That people of the nations will be declared righteous by fine works based on conscience or by faith in Christ Jesus?

Note that this people have so many customs that God's law forbids amongst his own people! So what exactly are you saying?

That God will overlook their worthless traditions, customs, abominable deeda and declare them righteous or they must come to learn about God's righteousness from the Bible (Jewish story book) that you're now quoting? sad sad sad

I tire o! undecided

Abeg help me ask my Seventh Day Adventist Church guy which one he dey, whether he is for Jesus or for people to live by conscience?

What they failed to understand is that no matter how someone tries to argue, what you don't understand will be clear to everyone listening to you! smiley
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 8:12pm On Mar 02
blueAgent, please explain what you mean by "what Bible said"

People have been living on this planet for thousands of years before Jesus came to start teaching his own lessons on how we can enter God's kingdom.

Now that you're now saying God will declare some people qualified for what Jesus left heaven to come and teach, then what is the essence of saying people will perish if they don't believe (trust) Jesus' teachings when our conscience can do the job? smiley
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by TATIME: 8:22pm On Mar 02
Maximus69:


What they failed to understand is that no matter how someone tries to argue, what you don't understand will be clear to everyone listening to you! smiley

Leave him alone. He's just a churchgoer who feels like teaching God's word, but he failed to realize that if he's not with the right group he will get to a stage where he will be confused and the next thing is "I don't know, the one i know is what i'm saying" yet when Jehovah's Witnesses are ready to teach them they'll be proving stubborn! sad sad sad

Bunch of confused dullards! angry angry angry
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Image123(m): 7:30am On Mar 03
blueAgent:


Where did I write such?

I said are we going to heaven or hell because you know the intricacies of soul and spirit? You said "How can you be with God when you do not have the true knowledge of who he is and what he says?
Can 2 work together if they do not agree?"
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Image123(m): 7:44am On Mar 03
Peacefullove:


If your postulatiom that doctrine isn't important is correct, Jesus won't have told his disciples to be careful of the doctrines of the Pharisees. Lesson: what you belief matters.


In fact, if you believe in an undying human soul, You can't believe Jesus died for mankind.

My postulation doesn't state that doctrine is unimportant. My postulation states that knowledge of the itinerary of souls and spirits doesn't SAVE anyone. You can very well march right into Heaven and live eternally with God without ever hearing anything the OP stated.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Image123(m): 7:46am On Mar 03
blueAgent:

Am sure you did not know the truth on this issue till you read this post.

So i now know the truth on this issue? You've got jokes braa
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 10:45am On Mar 03
Image123:


So i now know the truth on this issue? You've got jokes braa


If you are honest you will admit that you thought it was the Soul that is rewarded.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 10:48am On Mar 03
Image123:


I said are we going to heaven or hell because you know the intricacies of soul and spirit? You said "How can you be with God when you do not have the true knowledge of who he is and what he says?
Can 2 work together if they do not agree?"


Yes it matters. the bible says faith cometh by hearing God's word and without faith no man can please God.
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 10:51am On Mar 03
TATIME:


What exactly did the Bible say?

That people of the nations will be declared righteous by fine works based on conscience or by faith in Christ Jesus?

Note that this people have so many customs that God's law forbids amongst his own people! So what exactly are you saying?

That God will overlook their worthless traditions, customs, abominable deeda and declare them righteous or they must come to learn about God's righteousness from the Bible (Jewish story book) that you're now quoting? sad sad sad


Argue with the Bible.
Thats what the Bible says not me.

In Romans 2:12-15 it states, “For all who have sinned without
the Law will also perish without the Law; and all who have
sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; for not the
hearers of the Law are just before God, but the doers of the
Law will be justified. For when Gentiles who do not have the
Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having
the Law, are a law unto themselves, in that they show the
work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience
bearing witness, and their thoughts ultimately accusing or
defending them. In the day when God will judge the secrets of
men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel. ”

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 10:53am On Mar 03
Maximus69:


Bible said God will declare some people of the nations righteous by conscience but other people from the same nations must believe in a Jewish teacher!

My friend, you're funny Walahi Talahi smiley

So a Muslim, Buddhist, Pagan and so on need not accept the teaching of Christ so far he has good conscience shey? cheesy

In Romans 2:12-15 it states, “For all who have sinned without
the Law will also perish without the Law; and all who have
sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; for not the
hearers of the Law are just before God, but the doers of the
Law will be justified.

For when Gentiles who do not have the
Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having
the Law, are a law unto themselves, in that they show the
work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience
bearing witness, and their thoughts ultimately accusing or
defending them. In the day when God will judge the secrets of
men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel. ”



Its amazing how you deny clear bible verses for false doctrine that has no proof in the Bible.

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 10:56am On Mar 03
Maximus69:
blueAgent, please explain what you mean by "what Bible said"

People have been living on this planet for thousands of years before Jesus came to start teaching his own lessons on how we can enter God's kingdom.

Now that you're now saying God will declare some people qualified for what Jesus left heaven to come and teach, then what is the essence of saying people will perish if they don't believe (trust) Jesus' teachings when our conscience can do the job? smiley


Jesus left Heaven to die for our sins and not to teach.

His purpose of coming was to die for Sins.

Genesis 15:6.
Abram believed the LORD, and it was credited to him as
righteousness.

The same way God credited Abraham for his faith, is the same way God would credit people for living according to their conscience and good works.

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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 2:19pm On Mar 03
blueAgent:


In Romans 2:12-15 it states, “For all who have sinned without
the Law will also perish without the Law; and all who have
sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; for not the
hearers of the Law are just before God, but the doers of the
Law will be justified.

For when Gentiles who do not have the
Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having
the Law, are a law unto themselves, in that they show the
work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience
bearing witness, and their thoughts ultimately accusing or
defending them. In the day when God will judge the secrets of
men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel
. ”



Its amazing how you deny clear bible verses for false doctrine that has no proof in the Bible.

You can never grasp the underlined unless a true Christian teach you! smiley

Paul was talking about what God gave the Israelites (the Mosaic laws) which will be their guidance to lead them to Christ! Galatians 3:24
Israelites were taught to be hospitable to strangers {Leviticus 19:34} this will be of great help to them when preachers of the good news come to them as strangers {Isaiah 52:7 compare to Romans 10:15} but this people weren't kind to strangers to the extent that by the time Jesus visited them with his disciples, they treated him badly! Luke 9:51-55 embarassed
Now if the people of the nations who never had all those laws (that was supposed to lead the Israelites to welcome Jesus and his followers hospitably) now welcomed the Christians who are total strangers to them because this ones came in the name of God, is that not a good reason to count them worthy of his grace than faithless and stubborn Israelites?

So Paul is saying those people have displayed the attributes God's law meant to impress in the hearts of the Israelites as if it's written IN THEIR HEARTS!
But they must first accept Jesus' teachings before they can enter into life everlasting! Philippians 2:10

That's the meaning of what you are quoting Sir! cheesy
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Maximus69: 2:35pm On Mar 03
blueAgent:



Jesus left Heaven to die for our sins and not to teach.

His purpose of coming was to die for Sins.

Genesis 15:6.
Abram believed the LORD, and it was credited to him as
righteousness.

The same way God credited Abraham for his faith, is the same way God would credit people for living according to their conscience and good works.

So pathetic! embarassed

My friend come and let us TEACH you what is in our book!

The Bible belongs to Jehovah's Witnesses, if you don't humble yourself before us you'll continue to wallow in ignorance! embarassed

Just listen to yourself "Jesus did not come to teach" yet he called himself TEACHER! Matthew 23:8

Pharisees referred to him as TEACHER and he confirmed it! Matthew 22:34-36; John 13:13-14

Have you ever heard of a TEACHER whose assignment is NOT TO TEACH? John 7:16 undecided
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by TATIME: 10:10pm On Mar 03
Maximus69:


So pathetic! embarassed

My friend come and let us TEACH you what is in our book!

The Bible belongs to Jehovah's Witnesses, if you don't humble yourself before us you'll continue to wallow in ignorance! embarassed

Just listen to yourself "Jesus did not come to teach" yet he called himself TEACHER! Matthew 23:8

Pharisees referred to him as TEACHER and he confirmed it! Matthew 22:34-36; John 13:13-14

Have you ever heard of a TEACHER whose assignment is NOT TO TEACH? John 7:16 undecided

That's why the Governing Body asked us not to waste our precious time with stubborn and obsolete churchgoer on their blind arguments!

Now you're seeing the reality life and direct, when a processed Christian is saying Jesus of Nazareth did not come to teach yet his contemporaries were calling him "TEACHER"! embarassed embarassed embarassed
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 10:35pm On Mar 03
Maximus69:


So pathetic! embarassed

My friend come and let us TEACH you what is in our book!

The Bible belongs to Jehovah's Witnesses, if you don't humble yourself before us you'll continue to wallow in ignorance! embarassed

Just listen to yourself "Jesus did not come to teach" yet he called himself TEACHER! Matthew 23:8

Pharisees referred to him as TEACHER and he confirmed it! Matthew 22:34-36; John 13:13-14

Have you ever heard of a TEACHER whose assignment is NOT TO TEACH? John 7:16 undecided


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