Maximus69:


Tell them to go and MEET PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES as directed by Jesus, to teach them all this things. The social media is not for such things that's why everyone is abusing, insulting and cursing one another as none of you is ready to humble yourselves!

Kallmerb:
do u know there are only 3 people who has ascended into heaven in Bodily form.. Just 3...the body of 2 were later carried after dead. Meaning in the whole history of Man.. Just 3..

When Saul called on Samuel from the dead... Was it in bodily Form?

1 Samuel 28:11-15 KJV
Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. [12] And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. [13] And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. [14] And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. [15] And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.


Bro open your eyes and heart to God....

Kallmerb:
do u know there are only 3 people who has ascended into heaven in Bodily form.. Just 3...the body of 2 were later carried after dead. Meaning in the whole history of Man.. Just 3..

When Saul called on Samuel from the dead... Was it in bodily Form?

1 Samuel 28:11-15 KJV
Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. [12] And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. [13] And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. [14] And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. [15] And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.


Bro open your eyes and heart to God....

blueAgent:



You really need to pray for understanding.

No where is it written that Saul saw Samuel he only perceived that it was Samuel that the woman saw..

The truth is that the woman saw gods not Samuel, this is evident in statement.

13]" And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest
thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending
out of the earth"



Saul was deceived by the woman and the Devil.
A demon impersonated Samuel and appeared and talked like Samuel but it was never Samuel.

There is no where in that verse that says Samuel appeared in bodily form.

Note only Jesus has power over death. only him can raise one from the grave.

blueAgent:



After Christ died on the cross the graves opened and just people who were in their graves rose and where seen in the town walking in bodily form.

I have given you 2 verifiable points not those inconsistent things you are mentioning.

blueAgent:



After Christ died on the cross the graves opened and just people who were in their graves rose and where seen in the town walking in bodily form.

I have given you 2 verifiable points not those inconsistent things you are mentioning.

blueAgent:



After Christ died on the cross the graves opened and just people who were in their graves rose and where seen in the town walking in bodily form.

I have given you 2 verifiable points not those inconsistent things you are mentioning.

Kallmerb:


1 Corinthians 15:45-53 KJV
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. [46] Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. [47] The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. [48] As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. [49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. [50] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. [51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. [53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


Open your Heart to those verses.... They appear in bodily form but not with their real body....
The word appear means..something that can also disappear... They didnt continue living but was changed into a glorious body that can transcend into heaven

Kallmerb:
after that what happen... Havent you heard of the dead walking around and appearing to people in their bodily form while their body is laying in Wake during their burial...

Some dead visit their families in far places in bodily forms and later those family get calls that their love ones just died..

If you insist this aint real or asking for bible verses about real happenings then there must be something wrong somewhere

blueAgent:



You are really confused.

Are you sure you read my original post?

I mentioned it that the just will resurrect bodily but their body will be transformed, mortal body will be changed to immortal bodies.
2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the
Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at
his appearing and his kingdom;
The unjust will also be ressurected but will not experience any
changes in their body or nature they will still be raised with the
corruptible body which they had before they died they will be
judged and cast into the lake of fire which the Bible calls the
second death.

I thought you said it was the Soul? now you admit that it is the body but not in this present form.

If you had read my article you would have no need for your endless arguments.

blueAgent:



No wonder.
You barely understand the Bible.

All appearance of dead people are nothing but deception from the Devil.

The bible says the dead know nothing.

Psalms 76:6 At thy rebuke, O God of Jacob, both the chariot and horse are cast into a dead sleep.

Psalms 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Ecclesiastes 9:4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Job 7:6 My days are swifter than a weaver's shuttle, and are spent without hope. 7:7 O remember that my life is wind: mine eye shall no more see good. 7:8 The eye of him that hath seen me shall see me no more: thine eyes are upon me, and I am not. 7:9 As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. 7:10 He shall return no more to his house, neither shall his place know him any more.


Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

Kallmerb:
i have come to the conclusion that you decided not to reason with real points...

I asked you about other heavens.. You were mute about it....

Kallmerb:
after that what happen... Havent you heard of the dead walking around and appearing to people in their bodily form while their body is laying in Wake during their burial...

Some dead visit their families in far places in bodily forms and later those family get calls that their love ones just died..

If you insist this aint real or asking for bible verses about real happenings then there must be something wrong somewhere

Kallmerb:
after that what happen... Havent you heard of the dead walking around and appearing to people in their bodily form while their body is laying in Wake during their burial...

Some dead visit their families in far places in bodily forms and later those family get calls that their love ones just died..

If you insist this aint real or asking for bible verses about real happenings then there must be something wrong somewhere

Kallmerb:
after that what happen... Havent you heard of the dead walking around and appearing to people in their bodily form while their body is laying in Wake during their burial...

Some dead visit their families in far places in bodily forms and later those family get calls that their love ones just died..

If you insist this aint real or asking for bible verses about real happenings then there must be something wrong somewhere

blueAgent:


What about The heavens?
The bible says there are 3 Heavens.
One which is the atmosphere were the birds are.

2nd is the Galaxy were Satan and demons are held but invisible to our eyes.

The 3rd is the Heaven were God resides.

The question is how does this relate to our argument?

blueAgent:



The Dead do not Know Anything
The Bible is very plain. It says the dead do not know anything.
Look at this text:
5. For the living know that they shall die: but the dead
know not any thing, neither have they any more a
reward; for the memory of them is forgotten .
6. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is
now perished; neither have they any more a portion for
ever in any thing that is done under the sun .
10. Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy
might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge,
nor wisdom, in the grave , whither thou goest.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6,10.
Now for the first time we see death described. "The dead
know not any thing!" Everything about them is gone, their
memory, their love, their hatred, their envy, and they no longer
act. They are asleep. They are nonexistent.
4. His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in
that very day his thoughts perish. Psalms 146:4.
Again we see that when the breath of life goes back to God
and the body returns to dust, that their thoughts perish. It
should be clear that the dead cannot talk, or think or do
anything. They essentially no longer exist as a living thinking
person.
This agrees with what we saw before. Adam became a living
person. He became a living soul. So now, when we die, we
cease from being a living person. We cease from being a living
soul. We no longer exist because our thoughts perish.
This also agrees with Jesus' description of death. He called it
sleep as we saw earlier.
There is more.
17. The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go
down into silence .
18. But we will bless the LORD from this time forth
and for evermore. Praise the LORD. Psalms 115:17-18.
So a major difference is made. The dead cannot praise God at
all but those who live can.
4. Return, O LORD, deliver my soul: oh save me for
thy mercies' sake.
5. For in death there is no remembrance of thee : in
the grave who shall give thee thanks ? Psalms 6:4-5.
17. Behold, for peace I had great bitterness: but thou
hast in love to my soul delivered it from the pit of
corruption: for thou hast cast all my sins behind thy
back.
18. For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not
celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot
hope for thy truth .
19. The living, the living, he shall praise thee, as I do
this day: the father to the children shall make known
thy truth. Job 38:17-19.
Apparently a few of the writers in Psalms and also Job, are
pleading to be delivered by God. They are saying to God that
they can praise Him if they are alive but if they die they can no
longer give God thanks.
31. Who shall declare his way to his face? And who
shall repay him what he hath done?
32. Yet shall he be brought to the grave , and shall
remain in the tomb . Job 21:31-32.
9. As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so
he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no
more.
10. He shall return no more to his house, neither shall
his place know him any more.
11. Therefore I will not refrain my mouth; I will speak
in the anguish of my spirit; I will complain in the
bitterness of my soul. Job 7:9-11
Job sees that his only future is the grave and death. Job sees
this fate of his as depressing to the point that he is anguishing
in bitterness over his death and does not stop complaining to
God.

blueAgent:



DIRECTORY ONLINE ARCHIVES RECORDS RESEARCH
STATISTICS YEARBOOK
QUICK STATISTICS ON THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST
CHURCH
SDA BASICS
QUICK STATISTICS ON THE SEVENTH-DAY
ADVENTIST CHURCH
Summary of Statistics as of December 31, 2018
Churches, Companies, Membership
Churches, December 31, 2018
88,718
Companies, December 31, 2018
72,843
Church Membership, December 31, 2018
21,414,779
Total Accessions, December 31, 2018
1,383,427
Baptisms
1,262,998
Former Members Baptized
58,841
Professions of Faith
44,863
Adjustments In
16,725
Summary of Statistics as of December 31, 2018
Denominational Employees
Ordained Ministers, Active (Full time and Part time)
20,434
Total Active Employees (Full time, Part time, Casual)
321,410
Mission to the World
Countries and Areas of the World as Recognized by the
United Nations
235
Countries and Areas of the World in Which Seventh-day
Adventist Work is Established
213
Languages Used in Seventh-day Adventist Publications
and Oral Work
557
Divisions
13
Union Conferences
63
Union Missions
58
Union of Churches Conferences
11
Union of Churches Missions
5
Local Conferences
405
Local Missions
293
Educational Program
Total Schools
8,807
Tertiary Institutions
118
Worker Training Institutions
34
Secondary Schools
2,549
Primary Schools
6,106
Total Enrollment
1,881,571
Tertiary Institutions
167,739
Worker Training Institutions
7,350
Secondary Schools
576,456
Primary Schools
1,130,026
Food Industries
22
Healthcare Ministry
Hospitals and Sanitariums
211
Nursing Homes and Retirement Centers *Incomplete
reporting
*121
Clinics and Dispensaries
440
Orphanages and Children’s Homes *Incomplete reporting
*11
Inpatient Visits
Over 1 1/2 million
Outpatient Visits
Over 22 million
Media Centers
16
Publishing Work
Publishing Houses and Branches
60
Literature Evangelists, Full time, Interns, Part Time
21,591
Literature Evangelists, Credentialed and Licensed
4,890
Languages Used in Publications
368
Languages Heard in Broadcasts
327
Languages and Dialects Used in Oral Work
525
Adventist Development and Relief Agency International
(ADRA)
Countries and Areas of the World Where ADRA is
Present
over 118
Total Projects Funded
1,043
Beneficiaries of Projects
16,255,570
Prepared by the Office of Archives, Statistics, and
Research
General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists
Updated October 30, 2019

blueAgent:


How is this relevant to our discussion?

Show where it is written that their would be 2 resurrection for the just.

blueAgent:



Do you thinking JW are making more impact than Adventist.
You think making impact is by going house to house disturbing and teaching false doctrine to people?


Let's see some evidence Adventist has over 25million members which is about 17million more than JW.

Adventists has over 8500 schools and Hospitals providing education and free medical care.
Over 100 homes for the elderly.

Over 10000 projects and housing mission programmes in over 100 countries all over the World.

The list is endless.

https://www.adventistarchives.org/quick-statistics-on-the-seventh-day-adventist-church

Maximus69:


That's great but can you please show me what all these has to do with the preaching and teaching work Jesus commissioned?

A charity organization differs from what Jesus establish!
None of those things you mentioned up there appeared in the works done by Jesus or the first century Christians. So the group you're presenting aren't following the footsteps of the first century Christians!

The Catholics did the same thing Sir, and they're now running to billions. But what Jesus established was a preaching and teaching program NOT a charity organization!

Maximus69:


That's great but can you please show me what all these has to do with the preaching and teaching work Jesus commissioned?

A charity organization differs from what Jesus establish!
None of those things you mentioned up there appeared in the works done by Jesus or the first century Christians. So the group you're presenting aren't following the footsteps of the first century Christians!

The Catholics did the same thing Sir, and they're now running to billions. But what Jesus established was a preaching and teaching program NOT a charity organization!

Maximus69:


Revelations 20:5-6

Stated clearly that there are two resurrection!

Read and tell people what John meant by those having part in the FIRST resurrection then come back to tell us if there is no second!

Maximus69:


Yet nobody knew them in our neighborhood!

Kallmerb:
so how was samuel conscious enough to communicate with Saul


You need to pray for an understanding Heart Bro.. Shalom

Kallmerb:
Bible verse pls... Bro do more research.. There are 7 heavens.. Goodbye lol

Kallmerb:


All u do is quote bible verse.. You don't understand them alot.. Go to you pastor for clarification


So the ones the bible said appear are by the devil abi??

Elijah and moses during transfiguration are from the Devil

Matthew 27:52-53 KJV
And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, [53] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


Bro you are right... I tire.. You cant learn

Kallmerb:
bro appearing in bodily form and body are different... The soul is what u see that appears in bodily forms... Its your soul that roam around.. Seems u are adamant on ur view... Every change or occurrence is to your soul... I just hope you aint a pastor or bible teacher because you will mislead people alot... Shalom...

Kallmerb:


All u do is quote bible verse.. You don't understand them alot.. Go to you pastor for clarification


So the ones the bible said appear are by the devil abi??

Elijah and moses during transfiguration are from the Devil

Matthew 27:52-53 KJV
And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, [53] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


Bro you are right... I tire.. You cant learn

Kallmerb:
Bible verse pls... Bro do more research.. There are 7 heavens.. Goodbye lol

blueAgent:

Wow!!!! you just shot yourself on the foot.
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
From that bible verse it becomes evident that their would be 2 resurrection.
The first one occurs 1000yrs before the 2nd and John the writer of the book of revelation told us that those who are part of the 1st resurrection are blessed because they shall rule with Christ for 1000yrs and they shall not be hurt by the 2nd death.
This implies that all those who are not part of the 1st resurrection are condemned to die the second death.
look at verse 20:6.
So where did you see people resurrecting to live on Earth and in Heaven?