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Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by Stormywolf: 6:51am On Feb 28, 2020 |
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Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by Stormywolf: 6:53am On Feb 28, 2020 |
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Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by Shiver99: 7:37am On Feb 28, 2020 |
tartar9: Close, but not quite. When Igbos first met Europeans , they lived in areas varying from well-organised city-states to sprawling settlements. They engaged in a variety of trades and activities, making their are one of the economics centres of West Africa. They reached a level of social wealth, empowerment and political freedom that other groups in Nigeria still haven't achieved till this day. Vices such as poverty and homelessness was so rare that an Igbo man during the first wave British settlement exclaimed that these things simply didn't exist in Igboland. Their artisans and craftsmen were extremely efficient, daring, ambitious and skilful that it was actually recorded that Igbo artisans decimated the local smithing industry of a middle belt group. One British traveller remarked that the speed and efficiency of Igbo smiths when manufacturing items such as needles was comparable to the work of machines. They also noted the richness in the local dyes and cotton that Igbos manufactured and traded. This is why Igbo-ukwu, an example of ancient Igbo art was more skilfully made than Yoruba bronzes despite being centuries older. Additionally, the igbo-ukwu artifacts exhibit culture and traditions continuous to the Igbos of the area, and emphasising Igbo people's at least 4000 years of large-scale blacksmithing. 2 Likes |
Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by whitebeard(m): 7:45am On Feb 28, 2020 |
SonofDevil:6 the century kor..0.6th ni..! Lemme break it down for u...that sculpture has exist since the 6th century..it was stole during this century, it got confiscated at the border...and they returned it skikena..! no dey whine ur self...have u heard about the Indian Americans and how long they have been on earth...the Europeans... Africa still dey learn guy |
Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by Hermionegranger(f): 8:44am On Feb 28, 2020 |
tartar9:It's funny how you described a race that developed and used the Nsibidi system of writing hundreds of years before colonialism as barbaric. Of course Igbo-Ukwu Art cannot be a full representation of the Igbo race because the Igbo race is diverse. Igbo-Ukwu as you said is just one town which specialized in bronze artwork. Igbos did not have just bronze work going for them. There is Awka which specialized in blacksmithing and casting of metal and iron. Owerri which specialized in Architecture by building the famed Mbari Houses, the Nsude people in Enugu built step pyramids. There's Uli artwork which was painted on buildings, clothing and also served as body art. It's possible the whites couldn't find anything to take from us not because our art was not valuable but because most of our art have a degree of permanence which prevented it from being carried away easily. |
Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by AbuTwins: 8:44am On Feb 28, 2020 |
pmoye: Go and hug the statue. You may sleep beside it if you wish! And after your death your kids can inherit it and start worshiping it. You are truly uncouth and ill-bred! Of cos a sane mind won't mention that! |
Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by AbuTwins: 9:07am On Feb 28, 2020 |
geosegun: Do you think if it was of much use it would be returned to you? We have too much statues already in the country, don't we? |
Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by pmoye(m): 9:53am On Feb 28, 2020 |
Painment. Mr Loaf-and-Fanta. At least my kids will inherit something concrete, tangible and useful. I am afraid yours will inherit senselessness and idiocy. But hey, we are in Nigeria, even mad people get to juicy offices. So your descendants will still be in play. So, keep calm knowing that their inheritance might still benefit them. AbuTwins: |
Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by 0m0nnakoda: 10:08am On Feb 28, 2020 |
Shiver99:Sorry but this claim about city states is total nonsense The Igbos had not evolved any form of political administration beyond the village, clan or umunna level when they were colonised. There were no urban settlements NONE. Feel free to name ONE TOWN which existed in Igboland before 1900. The Igbos existed in numerous villages from whence they were plucked and sold as slaves by the more urbane Ijaws and Efiks |
Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by GMbuharii: 9:28pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
Donaldoni: Receive sense 2020 |
Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by Nobody: 11:23pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
OfoIgbo:Don't mind the lazyness and ignorance of nigerian journalists. They don't know what they are talking about. |
Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by Nobody: 11:27pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
SonofDevil: Before you start rejoicing, ask yourself who dated the artefact. If the journalist knew his job, he would be quoting the lab and the scientist who dated it. No such information is provided. This leads me to conclude that the dating is uneducated guess work at best. |
Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by Nobody: 11:29pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
Donaldoni: Calm down player, you yar.iba are still far away from being at the same level as Benin empire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp8flCwvoAU&t=25s |
Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by TAO11(f): 11:41pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
ghostwon: This boy has started to yarn dust again Hello prolog311 aka ghostown, why won't you cease to amuse me with your rusty so-called logics? Your Logic: The journalist didn't mention the lab and the (team of) expert(s), therefore no lab/scientist dated it. How more senseless can you be? Your so-called speculation is at its best useless, null, void, and an indication of how inferiority complex has clogged your tiny twisted mind. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by Nobody: 11:44pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
^^I see my dog has arrived. It follows me arround and barks meaningless garbage. |
Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by TAO11(f): 11:46pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
ghostwon: The guy you replied clearly compared Yoruba and Benin, concluding that Yoruba was light years ahead of Benin. Your supposed refutation: This video here shows that Benin was great, therefore I have refuted your claim that Yoruba was greater than Benin. Me: You must have passed Logic 101 after your 4th year of trying (if you ever passed it.) Otherwise, point out the timestamp in your video where it was mentioned that Benin was greater than Yoruba (just as I have on more than one ocassion pointed out expert testimonies on the overlord-ship, divinity, and suzerainity of Ife over Benin kingdom). Unfortunately for you, the conclusion you desperately long for doesn't exist anywhere in academia. Only on nairaland. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by TAO11(f): 11:49pm On Feb 28, 2020 |
ghostwon: Speaks volume of your person, if your own dog also acknowledge your senselessnes. Your own dog is not supposed to bark at you. You get the point! Target missed! Miserable failure! Run away! Try again! 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by anonymous6(f): 4:19am On Feb 29, 2020 |
naijazee2: I didn't even know Mexico had it, interesting. Lets hope Nigeria maintains it |
Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by anonymous6(f): 4:19am On Feb 29, 2020 |
GOFRONT: LMAO |
Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by Nobody: 6:40am On Feb 29, 2020 |
Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by TAO11(f): 6:43pm On Feb 29, 2020 |
ghostwon: Hey you insecure lad: 1st of all: This thread is about Ife artwork, not Benin. So take your insecurity elsewhere. 2ndly: The above video you attached (which you've also re-attached in your post below, and with an adiitional one following that) is no "real deal" by any standard. Not in the least way. 3rdly: Only experts/academics can make such pronouncements as to what is the real deal; not an unknown like you. Having said that, the following is the testimony and conclusion of Frank Willett himself on "the discovery in November 1957 of a group of bronze figures in Ife": "Here unquestionably were art works of first importance, but how could they be explained? They were so very different from any works of negro art, and so very sophisticated in a European manner that they stood apart from the rest of African sculpture." In conclusion: --- So, talking about "the real deal", no where would you ever find any expert/academic testimony which ranks Benin bronzes over and above the rest of negro African sculpture (in general), or over and above Ife bronzes (in particular) --- Never! It has never happened, not even in the video you attached. However, what I have just cited on the other hand is the expert/academic testimony in the words of Frank Willet showing unequivocally that Ife bronze sculptures are the foremost in importance, and that they are "so very sophisticated ... that they stood apart from the rest of African arts". Refer to: Frank Willett, "Bronze and Terra-Cotta Sculptures from Ita Yemoo, Ife", The South African Archaeological Bulletin, Vol. 14, No. 56 (Dec., 1959), pp. 135. I almost forgot the following homework you got the last time: (1). What reasonable "defense" have you found for the historical fact that the kings of Benin kingdom paid homage to Ile-Ife as seen in timestamp 47:16 to 49:00 of the British Museum documentary below?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQY_Jd--pwI&t=2070s (2). Moreover, what defence do you have against Margaret Plass' submission to the effect that the kings of Benin kingdom consider the kings of Ife to be their overlord --- spiritual overlord for that matter?? "... Oba Oguola --- supposed to have reigned about A.D. 1280 --- applied to his spiritual overlord, the Oni of Ife, for the service of a bronze founder to teach his people ..." See: The Art of Benin: An Evaluation Based on Discussions with William Fagg, Deputy Keeper of Ethnography in the British Museum 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by Nobody: 10:12pm On Feb 29, 2020 |
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Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by RuggedSniper: 12:08pm On Oct 31, 2020 |
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Re: Mexico Returns Ancient Yoruba Bronze Sculpture To Nigeria by letu(m): 6:47pm On Oct 31, 2020 |
themonk:One thing you need to know about this life is in the future when you won't be around, your present Pictures will also be referred to as Juju by the people who will be present in that future well this is simply the Irony of life . |
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