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Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:37pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
Maximus69: Is Sunday worship boldly written in the Bible? |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 9:38pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
blueAgent:The dictionary you quoted seem to suggest that witnesses are persons who testify, attest to an event, corroborate a happening etc. Can you give me an example of a non living or non person Witness? |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Nobody: 9:41pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
blueAgent: Once there is NO written code, it simply means he lived by his God's given conscience just like everyone else, before God now called him to deal with him. And since he proved to be loyal to God all through, he became God's friend! James 2:23 |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:43pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
Maximus69: On judgment day do you think Church or denomination counts? What matters is God's word. He said you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Your church has too many false prophecies for one to believe anything they say. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:44pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
shadeyinka: Go and check the Greek translation of the word witness used in that verse. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Nobody: 9:46pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
blueAgent: Through the MOSAIC LAWS, we learnt that God wants his worshipers to set a day aside for worship. So it's not necessarily Sunday or Saturday, anyone can choose any day that's convenient for him, just know that you must set a day for worship and rest as a Worshiper of the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob! That's the PRACTICAL APPLICATION! |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:50pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
Maximus69: You see how you twist God's word? God said Abraham obeyed his laws,Statutes,precepts and judgments he never said Abraham fellowed his conscience. Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. The same God also said he knew Abraham would train his Children to fellow God's law and Statutes. Genesis 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him. Was Abraham going to give his children his conscience? What is conscience without law? |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 9:51pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
blueAgent:It is expected that everyone follows the governing body without question. That's the meaning of oneness. Prophecies from the Lord is not even to be swallowed hook, line and sinker. True believers are to listen and judge with respect to the scriptures whether it's true or not 1Cor 14:29: "And [if there are] two or three prophets, let them speak, and let the others judge." |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:53pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
shadeyinka: If the prophecy does not agree with the word of the Lord it is false. Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Nobody: 9:55pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
blueAgent: They NEVER made any prophecy! If you were one of the contemporaries of Jesus, hearing the way himself and his followers were proclaiming the day of judgment, which has almost taken 2,000 years to come will you still remain one of them? Jehovah's Witnesses are just mimicking what was written in the Bible, so anyone taking it PERSONAL is just being selfish, true Christians must continue seeing God's kingdom as if coming tomorrow! { |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:57pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
Maximus69: Which Moisaic law? Lie, If that was the case God would not have written it in the 10commandments. God would not have destroyed Jerusalem for violating the sabbath day. Which reason did God give for Man to observe the Sabbath? |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Nobody: 9:57pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
blueAgent: Just point to the place where the laws were written that's all! |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 9:58pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
Maximus69: Really. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Nobody: 10:00pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
blueAgent: It was just for REST and MEDITATION (worship) Exodus 23:12 |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Nobody: 10:03pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
blueAgent: For REAL! If that's what you meant by false prophecies, then you've been thoroughly deceived! Someone telling you God's kingdom will come tomorrow has not made any new prophecy because that's what John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth and the first century Christians were saying! |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 10:04pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
blueAgent:Of course! That is why every Christian must be like the Berean Christians. Acts 17:11: "And these were more noble than those of Thessalonica, in that [they received] the Word with all readiness of mind and searched the Scriptures daily [to see] if those things [were so]." Not swallowing everything said by any organisation but searching the scriptures to verify the truth with the scriptures being the standard |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 10:08pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
[quote author=Maximus69 post=87620771] It was just for REST and MEDITATION (worship) Exodus 23:12 [/quote Thats false. Its purpose was to be a reminder that God is the creator of the Universe. Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Do you know that without the sabbath God insistuted we would not have 7days a week? It is called Sabbath of the LORD not Man's day. Do you know that the sabbath is the only day in the bible God calls his Holy day or the Lord's day? Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 10:09pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
Maximus69: There is sufficient evidence available to show that the law was existing. God cannot give Abraham a different standard or law from the one he gave us. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Nobody: 10:11pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
shadeyinka: That's why you will remain Churchless! The first century Christians made lots of mistakes in their activities and God will not take it lightly with whoever is not submissive to Jesus's Apostles. Whatever they bind on earth has been bind in Heaven says Jesus, so if anyone is counting on their mistakes, such a person is ON HIS OWN! Jesus will never accept such a person. No matter what happens, the congregation must remain united! |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 10:11pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
shadeyinka: You are very much guilty of this. If you have searched the scriptures you would not be doing this endless argument which you cannot prove without contradicting yourself. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Nobody: 10:12pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
blueAgent: Since it's not WRITTEN then it means you lied! |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 10:12pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
Maximus69: You are trying to make it look simple and nice. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 10:13pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
shadeyinka: It is clear God has given us instruction on why we should worship on the sabbath. What reason can you give for Sunday worship? |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Nobody: 10:14pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
[quote author=blueAgent post=87620949][/quote] My friend there is nothing like Sabbath again as long as you have chosen a day for rest and meditation! Colossians 2:16 |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 10:27pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
Maximus69: I call Churches like yours Mechanic meeting, they have no zeal or capacity to know God's word just lazy teachers teaching doctrines of men. Keep calm and read. T his verse has to be one of the most abused and misunderstood verses in relation to the law of God. Some apply it to all of the Ten Commandments, and others just to the fourth Commandment the Sabbath. And yet others say this passage is saying we still have to keep the feast days associated with the sacrificial law. But in fact this passage is saying the exact opposite in that it was these feast days that were nailed to the cross. Read Colossians 2:16 Feasts and Holydays or Colossians 2:16 and Holydays for more. M any Christians today demean the sacrifice of Christ by choosing to nail everything to the cross they do not want to obey. But to establish what was really nailed to the cross, just ask yourself these simple questions. What was the penalty for sin? What was required to make atonement for sin before the cross that pointed forward to the sacrifice of Christ? And do we still have to take an animal sacrifice to the temple priest when we sin or did Christ end these sacrifices by taking their place and hence nailing them to the cross? Thus the only thing nailed to the cross was the law of sacrifices that Christ replaced when He died for our sins. This law had meat and drink [ offerings ], holydays [ feast days], new moons and sabbath days [ Passover Sabbath and six others ] exactly as described in Colossians 2:16. W hy would anyone who truly loves Christ think that His death was a license to continue in the very sin that nailed Him to the cross in the first place. It grieves me deeply that there is no shortage of deceived Christians and even some that mock those who love God enough to obey His Law and teach otherwise. Note also that most modern Bibles have wrongly translated meat and drink [offerings] to being able to eat unclean food and drinks. But the first serious issue with this misunderstanding is that there is no such thing as unclean drinks in the Bible and Jesus did not die for the food we eat. He died to pay the penalty for our sin. W hen some see the word Sabbaths in Colossians 2:16, they instantly assume it is the Lord's Sabbath, which is one of the Ten Commandments. But how do they come to this conclusion when there were also seven Sabbaths that were instituted because of sin, such as Passover to state an obvious one? Also, the word Sabbaths or Sabbath days is plural in the Greek, which also means it is referring to something that had more than one Sabbath, which the ordinances did have and what Paul was referring to as seen in Colossians 2:14 . T he fourth Commandment, being the Lord's Sabbath, is one of a kind and is not a sacrificial law and hence is not part of the ordinances. Luke 1:6 is just one easy way to demonstrate that the Ten Commandments and the ordinances are two separate things. As stated earlier, Paul informs us in Colossians 2:14 what he is referring to in verse 16. Colossians 2:14 “ Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. ” The ordinances were the sacrificial part of the Mosaic Law that ended with Christ as He became our final perfect sacrifice. So what did these ordinances or sacrificial law require? P aul explains in Colossians 2:16 “ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink [offerings], or in respect of an holyday [feast], or of the new moon , or of the sabbath days : 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. ” Parentheses are added. So Paul informs us that the ordinances had “ meat and drink offerings, ” “ holy feast days, ” “ monthly new moon festivals ” and the “ yearly sacrificial Sabbaths. ” Remember that the word Sabbaths in verse 16 is plural and means that more than one Sabbath is being referred to as the ordinances did have seven Sabbaths that were because of sin as stated earlier. V erse 17 says that these feast days were shadows ( type) as they were a shadow of some future event that they pointed forward to ( antitype ). Type and antitype will always match precisely. This is why Passover and Passover Sabbath ended at the cross as Jesus became our Passover Lamb and so Passover being the shadow vanished at the cross. The Lord's Sabbath existed before sin and so cannot be a shadow of anything. Now carefully compare Galatians 4:10 and Colossians 2:16 and see also Adam Clarke and Albert Barnes Commentaries. Read was the Sabbath abolished or Colossians 2:16 Sabbath or ceremonial law for a detailed exegesis on this passage that shows the Sabbath was not nailed to the cross. |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by blueAgent(m): 10:32pm On Mar 20, 2020 |
Maximus69: Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. Righteousness means walking in all the commandments of God. the question is which commandments? |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 3:00am On Mar 21, 2020 |
blueAgent:There is no reason for A Sunday worship. Rom 14:5-6: "One indeed esteems a day above [another] day; and [another] esteems every day [alike]. Let each one be fully assured in his own mind. He who regards the day regards [it] to the Lord; and he not regarding the day, does not regard [it] to the Lord. He who eats, eats to [the] Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, does not eat to [the Lord, and gives God thanks." For those who boast in observance of the law, Jam 2:10: "For whoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all." |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 3:17am On Mar 21, 2020 |
blueAgent:It started from here shadeyinka:From this: blueAgent: My conclusion: like the Berean Christians, we should all individually study the scriptures and not swallow anything our denomination say |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 3:20am On Mar 21, 2020 |
Maximus69:When and how did an organisation scripturally become APOSTLE with no power to heal and cast out demons like Jesus!?? |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by shadeyinka(m): 3:20am On Mar 21, 2020 |
blueAgent:Of course! |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Nobody: 6:53am On Mar 21, 2020 |
blueAgent: Never mind, your church is not mechanic just that they've adopted the TRINITY for you to scram since you don't have what it takes to stop them. MONEY! Those who have money and are ready to fetch for more have used their discretion to know that the TRINITY will help in getting larger number of contributors. So you're just a spanner lost to them as long as their business continues! |
Re: What Goes To Heaven Or Hell, Is It Body,soul Or Spirit. by Nobody: 7:06am On Mar 21, 2020 |
shadeyinka: When and how did the first century Christians Apostles continue to perform healing but failed to cure Timothy miraculously? 1Timothy 5:23 Paul said the GIFTS will SEIZE but Christians will be recognized by the LOVE in their midst, THE GIFT OF HEALING WILL SEIZE! 1Corinthians 13:8-13 Jesus said false prophets will later begin to perform great signs (when true Christians no more do so) the evidence in Jesus'statement is (the signs will confuse even the born again Christians) if care is not taken. How can someone deceive you with fake money when you're still having the original at hand? Is it not reasonable to conclude that during the time Jesus was speaking about true Christians would have stopped miraculous healings? No wonder you expect everyone to accept you as a Christian because you drive out demons! Matthew 7:21-23 Jehovah's Witnesses can never be fooled into accepting that, Jesus said the identification mark of his group will be LOVE found amongst them! John 13:34-35 compare to 1Corinthians 13:13 |
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