Maximus69:


So far it's not written anywhere in the Bible, we will not accept it!

What's written in the Bible is that God presented his laws to Moses who in turn presented it to the Israelites. Apart from this there is nowhere in the Bible that says God gave any WRITTEN law before then!

Is Sunday worship boldly written in the Bible?

blueAgent:


https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/witness.

Look a the Greek translation of the word written as witness than you will understand that it is not referring to something that is alive and watching.

The dictionary you quoted seem to suggest that witnesses are persons who testify, attest to an event, corroborate a happening etc.

Can you give me an example of a non living or non person Witness?

blueAgent:


So you need to see where it is written?

The one Abraham obeyed who gave him?

Once there is NO written code, it simply means he lived by his God's given conscience just like everyone else, before God now called him to deal with him. And since he proved to be loyal to God all through, he became God's friend! James 2:23

Maximus69:


So presently you're churchless!

No wonder Shadeyinka is so much interested in your case, he is not as churchless as you're but the doctrines of his church means nothing to him!

He said "Church doctrines does not define me" So his ECWA is not that Christian to the level he could strongly hold on to what's been taught there!

I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses, everything that comes from our own Governing Body means directives from the one who appointed them (Jesus) and not just the one who appointed them but the one who also chose that one(Jehovah)

So you're now members of the same congregation, "the congregation of churchless individuals whose beliefs can't be defined by any specific organization!

On judgment day do you think Church or denomination counts?

What matters is God's word.
He said you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

Your church has too many false prophecies for one to believe anything they say.

shadeyinka:

The dictionary you quoted seem to suggest that witnesses are persons who testify, attest to an event, corroborate a happening etc.

Can you give me an example of a non living or non person Witness?

Go and check the Greek translation of the word witness used in that verse.

blueAgent:


Is Sunday worship body written in the Bible?

Through the MOSAIC LAWS, we learnt that God wants his worshipers to set a day aside for worship.

So it's not necessarily Sunday or Saturday, anyone can choose any day that's convenient for him, just know that you must set a day for worship and rest as a Worshiper of the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob!

That's the PRACTICAL APPLICATION!

Maximus69:


Once there is NO written code, it simply means he lived by his God's given conscience just like everyone else, before God now called him to deal with him. And since he proved to be loyal to God all through, he became God's friend! James 2:23

You see how you twist God's word?

God said Abraham obeyed his laws,Statutes,precepts and judgments he never said Abraham fellowed his conscience.

Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.


The same God also said he knew Abraham would train his Children to fellow God's law and Statutes.


Genesis 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

Was Abraham going to give his children his conscience?

What is conscience without law?

blueAgent:


On judgment day do you think Church or denomination counts?

What matters is God's word.
He said you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

Your church has too many false prophecies for one to believeanything they say.

It is expected that everyone follows the governing body without question. That's the meaning of oneness.

Prophecies from the Lord is not even to be swallowed hook, line and sinker. True believers are to listen and judge with respect to the scriptures whether it's true or not

1Cor 14:29:
"And [if there are] two or three prophets, let them speak, and let the others judge."

shadeyinka:

It is expected that everyone follows the governing body without question. That's the meaning of oneness.

Prophecies from the Lord is not even to be swallowed hook, line and sinker. True believers are to listen and judge with respect to the scriptures whether it's true or not

1Cor 14:29:
"And [if there are] two or three prophets, let them speak, and let the others judge."

If the prophecy does not agree with the word of the Lord it is false.

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word,
it is because there is no light in them.

blueAgent:


On judgment day do you think Church or denomination counts?

What matters is God's word.
He said you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

Your church has too many false prophecies for one to believe anything they say.

They NEVER made any prophecy!

If you were one of the contemporaries of Jesus, hearing the way himself and his followers were proclaiming the day of judgment, which has almost taken 2,000 years to come will you still remain one of them?

Jehovah's Witnesses are just mimicking what was written in the Bible, so anyone taking it PERSONAL is just being selfish, true Christians must continue seeing God's kingdom as if coming tomorrow! {

Maximus69:


Through the MOSAIC LAWS, we learnt that God wants his worshipers to set a day aside for worship.

So it's not necessarily Sunday or Saturday, anyone can choose any day that's convenient for him, just know that you must set a day for worship and rest as a Worshiper of the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob!

That's the PRACTICAL APPLICATION!

Which Moisaic law?

Lie,

If that was the case God would not have written it in the 10commandments.

God would not have destroyed Jerusalem for violating the sabbath day.

Which reason did God give for Man to observe the Sabbath?

blueAgent:



You see how you twist God's word?

God said Abraham obeyed his laws,Statutes,precepts and judgments he never said Abraham fellowed his conscience.

Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.


The same God also said he knew Abraham would train his Children to fellow God's law and Statutes.


Genesis 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

Was Abraham going to give his children his conscience?

What is conscience without law?

Just point to the place where the laws were written that's all!

Maximus69:


They NEVER made any prophecy!

If you were one of the contemporaries of Jesus, hearing the way himself and his followers were proclaiming the day of judgment, which has almost taken 2,000 years to come will you still remain one of them?

Jehovah's Witnesses are just mimicking what was written in the Bible, so anyone taking it PERSONAL is just being selfish, true Christians must continue seeing God's kingdom as if coming tomorrow! {

Really.

blueAgent:


Which Moisaic law?

Lie,

If that was the case God would not have written it in the 10commandments.

God would not have destroyed Jerusalem for violating the sabbath day.

Which reason did God give for Man to observe the Sabbath?

It was just for REST and MEDITATION (worship) Exodus 23:12

blueAgent:


Really.

For REAL!

If that's what you meant by false prophecies, then you've been thoroughly deceived!

Someone telling you God's kingdom will come tomorrow has not made any new prophecy because that's what John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth and the first century Christians were saying!

blueAgent:



If the prophecy does not agree with the word of the Lord it is false.

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word,
it is because there is no light in them.

Of course!
That is why every Christian must be like the Berean Christians.

Acts 17:11:
"And these were more noble than those of Thessalonica, in that [they received] the Word with all readiness of mind and searched the Scriptures daily [to see] if those things [were so]."

Not swallowing everything said by any organisation but searching the scriptures to verify the truth with the scriptures being the standard

[quote author=Maximus69 post=87620771]

It was just for REST and MEDITATION (worship) Exodus 23:12 [/quote


Thats false.

Its purpose was to be a reminder that God is the creator of the Universe.


Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


Do you know that without the sabbath God insistuted we would not have 7days a week?

It is called Sabbath of the LORD not Man's day.

Do you know that the sabbath is the only day in the bible God calls his Holy day or the Lord's day?

Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Maximus69:

Just point to the place where the laws were written that's all!

There is sufficient evidence available to show that the law was existing.
God cannot give Abraham a different standard or law from the one he gave us.

shadeyinka:

Of course!
That is why every Christian must be like the Berean Christians.

Acts 17:11:
"And these were more noble than those of Thessalonica, in that [they received] the Word with all readiness of mind and searched the Scriptures daily [to see] if those things [were so]."

Not swallowing everything said by any organisation but searching the scriptures to verify the truth with the scriptures being the standard

That's why you will remain Churchless!

The first century Christians made lots of mistakes in their activities and God will not take it lightly with whoever is not submissive to Jesus's Apostles.

Whatever they bind on earth has been bind in Heaven says Jesus, so if anyone is counting on their mistakes, such a person is ON HIS OWN!

Jesus will never accept such a person.

No matter what happens, the congregation must remain united!

shadeyinka:

Of course!
That is why every Christian must be like the Berean Christians.

Acts 17:11:
"And these were more noble than those of Thessalonica, in that [they received] the Word with all readiness of mind and searched the Scriptures daily [to see] if those things [were so]."

Not swallowing everything said by any organisation but searching the scriptures to verify the truth with the scriptures being the standard

You are very much guilty of this.

If you have searched the scriptures you would not be doing this endless argument which you cannot prove without contradicting yourself.

blueAgent:



There is sufficient evidence available to show that the law was existing.

God cannot give Abraham a different standard or law from the one he gave us.

Since it's not WRITTEN then it means you lied!

Maximus69:


For REAL!

If that's what you meant by false prophecies, then you've been thoroughly deceived!

Someone telling you God's kingdom will come tomorrow has not made any new prophecy because that's what John the baptist, Jesus of Nazareth and the first century Christians were saying!

You are trying to make it look simple and nice.

shadeyinka:

Of course!
That is why every Christian must be like the Berean Christians.

Acts 17:11:
"And these were more noble than those of Thessalonica, in that [they received] the Word with all readiness of mind and searched the Scriptures daily [to see] if those things [were so]."

Not swallowing everything said by any organisation but searching the scriptures to verify the truth with the scriptures being the standard

It is clear God has given us instruction on why we should worship on the sabbath.

What reason can you give for Sunday worship?

[quote author=blueAgent post=87620949][/quote]

My friend there is nothing like Sabbath again as long as you have chosen a day for rest and meditation! Colossians 2:16

Maximus69:


My friend there is nothing like Sabbath again as long as you have chosen a day for rest and meditation! Colossians 2:16

I call Churches like yours Mechanic meeting, they have no zeal or capacity to know God's word just lazy teachers teaching doctrines of men.


Keep calm and read.


T his verse has to be one of the most abused and misunderstood verses
in relation to the law of God. Some apply it to all of the Ten
Commandments, and others just to the fourth Commandment the
Sabbath. And yet others say this passage is saying we still have to keep
the feast days associated with the sacrificial law. But in fact this passage
is saying the exact opposite in that it was these feast days that were
nailed to the cross. Read Colossians 2:16 Feasts and Holydays or
Colossians 2:16 and Holydays for more.
M any Christians today demean the sacrifice of Christ by choosing to nail
everything to the cross they do not want to obey. But to establish what
was really nailed to the cross, just ask yourself these simple questions.
What was the penalty for sin? What was required to make atonement for
sin before the cross that pointed forward to the sacrifice of Christ? And
do we still have to take an animal sacrifice to the temple priest when we
sin or did Christ end these sacrifices by taking their place and hence
nailing them to the cross? Thus the only thing nailed to the cross was the
law of sacrifices that Christ replaced when He died for our sins. This law
had meat and drink [ offerings ], holydays [ feast days], new moons and
sabbath days [ Passover Sabbath and six others ] exactly as described in
Colossians 2:16.
W hy would anyone who truly loves
Christ think that His death was a
license to continue in the very sin that
nailed Him to the cross in the first
place. It grieves me deeply that there
is no shortage of deceived Christians
and even some that mock those who
love God enough to obey His Law and
teach otherwise.
Note also that most modern Bibles
have wrongly translated meat and
drink [offerings] to being able to eat
unclean food and drinks. But the first
serious issue with this misunderstanding is that there is no such thing as
unclean drinks in the Bible and Jesus did not die for the food we eat. He
died to pay the penalty for our sin.
W hen some see the word Sabbaths in Colossians 2:16, they instantly
assume it is the Lord's Sabbath, which is one of the Ten
Commandments. But how do they come to this conclusion when there
were also seven Sabbaths that were instituted because of sin, such as
Passover to state an obvious one? Also, the word Sabbaths or Sabbath
days is plural in the Greek, which also means it is referring to something
that had more than one Sabbath, which the ordinances did have and what
Paul was referring to as seen in Colossians 2:14 .
T he fourth Commandment, being the Lord's Sabbath, is one of a kind
and is not a sacrificial law and hence is not part of the ordinances. Luke
1:6 is just one easy way to demonstrate that the Ten Commandments
and the ordinances are two separate things.
As stated earlier, Paul informs us in Colossians 2:14 what he is referring
to in verse 16. Colossians 2:14 “ Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances
that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way,
nailing it to his cross. ” The ordinances were the sacrificial part of the
Mosaic Law that ended with Christ as He became our final perfect
sacrifice. So what did these ordinances or sacrificial law require?
P aul explains in Colossians 2:16 “ Let no man therefore judge you in meat,
or in drink [offerings], or in respect of an holyday [feast], or of the new
moon , or of the sabbath days : 17 Which are a shadow of things to come;
but the body is of Christ. ” Parentheses are added.
So Paul informs us that the ordinances had “ meat and drink offerings, ”
“ holy feast days, ” “ monthly new moon festivals ” and the “ yearly sacrificial
Sabbaths. ” Remember that the word Sabbaths in verse 16 is plural and
means that more than one Sabbath is being referred to as the ordinances
did have seven Sabbaths that were because of sin as stated earlier.
V erse 17 says that these feast days were shadows ( type) as they were a
shadow of some future event that they pointed forward to ( antitype ).
Type and antitype will always match precisely. This is why Passover and
Passover Sabbath ended at the cross as Jesus became our Passover
Lamb and so Passover being the shadow vanished at the cross. The
Lord's Sabbath existed before sin and so cannot be a shadow of anything.
Now carefully compare Galatians 4:10 and Colossians 2:16 and see also
Adam Clarke and Albert Barnes Commentaries. Read was the Sabbath
abolished or Colossians 2:16 Sabbath or ceremonial law for a detailed
exegesis on this passage that shows the Sabbath was not nailed to the
cross.

Maximus69:


My friend there is nothing like Sabbath again as long as you have chosen a day for rest and meditation! Colossians 2:16

Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Righteousness means walking in all the commandments of God.

the question is which commandments?

blueAgent:


It is clear God has given us instruction on why we should worship on the sabbath.

What reason can you give for Sunday worship?

There is no reason for A Sunday worship.

Rom 14:5-6:
"One indeed esteems a day above [another] day; and [another] esteems every day [alike]. Let each one be fully assured in his own mind. He who regards the day regards [it] to the Lord; and he not regarding the day, does not regard [it] to the Lord. He who eats, eats to [the] Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, does not eat to [the Lord, and gives God thanks."

For those who boast in observance of the law,

Jam 2:10:
"For whoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all."

blueAgent:


You are very much guilty of this.

If you have searched the scriptures you would not be doing this endless argument which you cannot prove without contradicting yourself.

It started from here

shadeyinka:

He (blueAgent) is studying to show himself approved as a workman...who can rightly divide the word of truth. Here on this earth, blueAgent is no one's slave.

Does a slave have a mind of his own?

From this:

blueAgent:


On judgment day do you think Church or denomination counts?

What matters is God's word.
He said you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

Your church has too many false prophecies for one to believe anything they say.

My conclusion:
like the Berean Christians, we should all individually study the scriptures and not swallow anything our denomination say

Maximus69:


That's why you will remain Churchless!

The first century Christians made lots of mistakes in their activities and God will not take it lightly with whoever is not submissive to Jesus's Apostles.

Whatever they bind on earth has been bind in Heaven says Jesus, so if anyone is counting on their mistakes, such a person is ON HIS OWN!

Jesus will never accept such a person.

No matter what happens, the congregation must remain united!

When and how did an organisation scripturally become APOSTLE with no power to heal and cast out demons like Jesus!??

blueAgent:



If the prophecy does not agree with the word of the Lord it is false.

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word,
it is because there is no light in them.

Of course!

blueAgent:


I call Churches like yours Mechanic meeting, they have no zeal or capacity to know God's word just lazy teachers teaching doctrines of men.


Keep calm and read.


T his verse has to be one of the most abused and misunderstood verses
in relation to the law of God. Some apply it to all of the Ten
Commandments, and others just to the fourth Commandment the
Sabbath. And yet others say this passage is saying we still have to keep
the feast days associated with the sacrificial law. But in fact this passage
is saying the exact opposite in that it was these feast days that were
nailed to the cross. Read Colossians 2:16 Feasts and Holydays or
Colossians 2:16 and Holydays for more.
M any Christians today demean the sacrifice of Christ by choosing to nail
everything to the cross they do not want to obey. But to establish what
was really nailed to the cross, just ask yourself these simple questions.
What was the penalty for sin? What was required to make atonement for
sin before the cross that pointed forward to the sacrifice of Christ? And
do we still have to take an animal sacrifice to the temple priest when we
sin or did Christ end these sacrifices by taking their place and hence
nailing them to the cross? Thus the only thing nailed to the cross was the
law of sacrifices that Christ replaced when He died for our sins. This law
had meat and drink [ offerings ], holydays [ feast days], new moons and
sabbath days [ Passover Sabbath and six others ] exactly as described in
Colossians 2:16.
W hy would anyone who truly loves
Christ think that His death was a
license to continue in the very sin that
nailed Him to the cross in the first
place. It grieves me deeply that there
is no shortage of deceived Christians
and even some that mock those who
love God enough to obey His Law and
teach otherwise.
Note also that most modern Bibles
have wrongly translated meat and
drink [offerings] to being able to eat
unclean food and drinks. But the first
serious issue with this misunderstanding is that there is no such thing as
unclean drinks in the Bible and Jesus did not die for the food we eat. He
died to pay the penalty for our sin.
W hen some see the word Sabbaths in Colossians 2:16, they instantly
assume it is the Lord's Sabbath, which is one of the Ten
Commandments. But how do they come to this conclusion when there
were also seven Sabbaths that were instituted because of sin, such as
Passover to state an obvious one? Also, the word Sabbaths or Sabbath
days is plural in the Greek, which also means it is referring to something
that had more than one Sabbath, which the ordinances did have and what
Paul was referring to as seen in Colossians 2:14 .
T he fourth Commandment, being the Lord's Sabbath, is one of a kind
and is not a sacrificial law and hence is not part of the ordinances. Luke
1:6 is just one easy way to demonstrate that the Ten Commandments
and the ordinances are two separate things.
As stated earlier, Paul informs us in Colossians 2:14 what he is referring
to in verse 16. Colossians 2:14 “ Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances
that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way,
nailing it to his cross. ” The ordinances were the sacrificial part of the
Mosaic Law that ended with Christ as He became our final perfect
sacrifice. So what did these ordinances or sacrificial law require?
P aul explains in Colossians 2:16 “ Let no man therefore judge you in meat,
or in drink [offerings], or in respect of an holyday [feast], or of the new
moon , or of the sabbath days : 17 Which are a shadow of things to come;
but the body is of Christ. ” Parentheses are added.
So Paul informs us that the ordinances had “ meat and drink offerings, ”
“ holy feast days, ” “ monthly new moon festivals ” and the “ yearly sacrificial
Sabbaths. ” Remember that the word Sabbaths in verse 16 is plural and
means that more than one Sabbath is being referred to as the ordinances
did have seven Sabbaths that were because of sin as stated earlier.
V erse 17 says that these feast days were shadows ( type) as they were a
shadow of some future event that they pointed forward to ( antitype ).
Type and antitype will always match precisely. This is why Passover and
Passover Sabbath ended at the cross as Jesus became our Passover
Lamb and so Passover being the shadow vanished at the cross. The
Lord's Sabbath existed before sin and so cannot be a shadow of anything.
Now carefully compare Galatians 4:10 and Colossians 2:16 and see also
Adam Clarke and Albert Barnes Commentaries. Read was the Sabbath
abolished or Colossians 2:16 Sabbath or ceremonial law for a detailed
exegesis on this passage that shows the Sabbath was not nailed to the
cross.

Never mind, your church is not mechanic just that they've adopted the TRINITY for you to scram since you don't have what it takes to stop them. MONEY!

Those who have money and are ready to fetch for more have used their discretion to know that the TRINITY will help in getting larger number of contributors.

So you're just a spanner lost to them as long as their business continues!

shadeyinka:

When and how did an organisation scripturally become APOSTLE with no power to heal and cast out demons like Jesus!??

When and how did the first century Christians Apostles continue to perform healing but failed to cure Timothy miraculously? 1Timothy 5:23

Paul said the GIFTS will SEIZE but Christians will be recognized by the LOVE in their midst, THE GIFT OF HEALING WILL SEIZE! 1Corinthians 13:8-13

Jesus said false prophets will later begin to perform great signs (when true Christians no more do so) the evidence in Jesus'statement is (the signs will confuse even the born again Christians) if care is not taken.

How can someone deceive you with fake money when you're still having the original at hand? Is it not reasonable to conclude that during the time Jesus was speaking about true Christians would have stopped miraculous healings?

No wonder you expect everyone to accept you as a Christian because you drive out demons! Matthew 7:21-23

Jehovah's Witnesses can never be fooled into accepting that, Jesus said the identification mark of his group will be LOVE found amongst them! John 13:34-35 compare to 1Corinthians 13:13