Sewgon79:


Please let them see the gathering and respect given to Oonirisa with pictures taken during colonial era

I always said you and Tao are foolish boys.
Look at the colonial era rankings of Nigeria kings by your British colonial masters.
Oba of Benin as always been greater than your Oni.

davidnazee:


I always said you and Tao are foolish boys.
Look at the colonial era rankings of Nigeria kings by your British colonial masters.
Oba of Benin as always been greater than your Oni.

Your forge and edited paper, this picture says otherwise

davidnazee:


I always said you and Tao are foolish boys.
Look at the colonial era rankings of Nigeria kings by your British colonial masters.
Oba of Benin as always been greater than your Oni.

This picture says otherwise

Sewgon79:


Your forge and edited paper, this picture says otherwise

Poor you. I sense disappointment in you seeing a 1917 British document that ranked Oba of Benin much higher than your small Ooni and your Ijebu king lol. Everyone knows it’s Awolowo that elevated Ooni to his present position.
See the document again and cry.

Sewgon79:


This picture says otherwise

That your picture doesn’t say anything. It’s a group picture and Ooni was the host of that event hence he sat in the middle.
You are soo dumb to think sitting in middle in a group picture makes u the head.

davidnazee:


Poor you. I sense disappointment in you seeing a 1917 British document that ranked Oba of Benin much higher than your small Ooni and your Ijebu king lol. Everyone knows it’s Awolowo that elevated Ooni to his present position.
See the document again and cry.

This is not British Gazette, it Publication from Oyo News Publications. Read the News Paper Headlines yourself. Don't you go to school

davidnazee:


That your picture doesn’t say anything. It’s a group picture and Ooni was the host of that event hence he sat in the middle.
You are soo dumb to think sitting in middle in a group picture makes u the head.

I taught you have brain, now I see that you are brainless, me I gave you Gazette of British Museum of pictures of organise meetings between British Governor and the Obas and they were ranked accordingly. Instead you are scanning 2013 Magazine published and make photocopy and mistaken it for Gazette.

I can see that now, you are the most dumb human in existence. I don't need to argue with foolish head and brainless like you.

Sewgon79:


I taught you have brain, now I see that you are brainless, me I gave you Gazette of British Museum of pictures of organise meetings between British Governor and the Obas and they were ranked accordingly. Instead you are scanning 2013 Magazine published and make photocopy and mistaken it for Gazette.

I can see that now, you are the most dumb human in existence. I don't need to argue with foolish head and brainless like you.

Na wa. Your mumu no get second.
Didn’t you see the heading of that ranking of Kings?
It says “Lord Lugard’s memoranda “. Don’t u know who lord lugard is? Or u don’t know the meaning of memoranda?

In Benin Governors suffer from "CROWN-VIRUS" OPOLOPOLO.

davidnazee:


Na wa. Your mumu no get second.
Didn’t you see the heading of that ranking of Kings?
It says “Lord Lugard’s memoranda “. Don’t u know who lord lugard is? Or u don’t know the meaning of memoranda?

Ọdẹ, ọmọ dindin rìn, That is not Lord Lugard Memo, it suppose to have back dated, which I can't see

TAO11:
It's been some time that I've been hoping to create a quite detailed academic thread on the primacy and the imperial might of ancient Ife in the West Africa region.

People generally tend to over-focus their attention solely on Oyo and Benin kingdoms, thus often ignoring the fact that before these two kingdoms attained "imperial" status (or even before they were founded), the West African region had a military, economic, artistic, and religious advanced super power --- Ife.

In fact, the insult gets more worrissom when some even dare to ask who is greater Ooni or Alaafin? Some even ask Ooni or Oba of Benin?

It's no more than asking which is brighter: a sunny day or a moonless night?

These unfortunate comparisons pop-up on Nairaland, I think because, most discussions about ancient Ife almost always centers around the mythical aspects only with little or no academic substantiation.

It's hightime amateurish non-acadamic pseudo-historical narratives are dropped for good, and history is presented as it was, and as is been preserved in extant historical sources.

Someone should please guide me with a simple step-by-step procedure to creating a thread.This topic is long overdue.

I am obviously not very savvy with interacting with this platform.

Thanks!

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Olu317
Obalufon
ImperialYoruba
Sewgon79
2fine2fast
Amujale

gregyboy
ghostwon

Good day brother, go ahead and create your thread by going to the appropriate section as detailed below:

Navigate to the General section and from there, navigate to the Culture or Education section and scroll to the bottom of the page and there you'll find the create new topic tab.

Refer to the image displayed in the signature area below:

History is the most important aspects of legacy.

davidnazee:


Poor you. I sense disappointment in you seeing a 1917 British document that ranked Oba of Benin much higher than your small Ooni and your Ijebu king lol. Everyone knows it’s Awolowo that elevated Ooni to his present position.
See the document again and cry.

Hahaha! Your supposed "1917 British (ranking) document" is in reality nothing more than a magazine printed in the year 2015 by perhaps some Bini "desperado".

Refer to the bottom-right corner of your so-called British document to notice its 2015 date of publication as highlighted in the attachment below.

Your fake so-called document just failed. Try harder boy

Cheers!

cc:
Sewgon79

Notice that the attachment below is a screenshot of one of your comments (where you also attached screenshots of a piece of anonymous writting).

In case you're wondering why I attached a screenshot of one of your comments, my motive here is only to avoid being banned as your mod friends wouldn't allow me reply to this particular comment of yours without placing a ban on me.

I guess someone is dead-scared.

And my reply to this comment of yours will likewise follow separately as screenshots too for exactly the same reasons --- that is, to avoid the ban again.

There is always a way to make the truth apparent, so relax.

See your comments attached here.

cc: davidnazee

As promised, see my reply to it attached below:

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davidnazee
Sewgon79

ghostwon:
The story about ife is a myth.

There is no record of ife being any kind of power.
The british made the ooni of ife relevant and he served the british interests, he was very faithful to the british.

Oyo was never recorded as an empire, too much rewriting of history is going on.
The only empire recorded in the south is Benin

But out of low self esteem nigerians all want to create their own version of history in which their ancestors were conquerors.
As if that would change anything in their lives.
Let us just accept history and stop distorting it.
We can't change the passed but we can build the future.
Israelis are all descendents of slaves, yet their country is very powerful today (among the strongest 8 nuclear world powers).
History is important, because when you know your history, not some fables, nobody can push you around and say things like: "blacks had no civilisation before the whites arrived" or "blacks lived like monkeys before the coming of the whites". A lot of black youth have an incredibly low self-esteem because the fables being told to them do not withstand the test of logics, and when they understand that they have been told a lie, they fall from a very high horse and lose all self-esteem.
So people, stop passing fables as history.
Let us teach the actual history to our kids and adults.
Thank you.

In reply to your reposting of the already refuted, see below for a reminder of what the refutation looks like.


Hey insecure little one, listen up:

First of all:
In response to your blasphemy and sacrilege against Ile-Ife, I hereby present the following topmost tip of the ice-berg before you, prior to my intended post which I will publish perhaps tommorrow:

"... Oba Oguola (Oba of Benin) --- supposed to have reigned about A.D. 1280 --- applied to his spiritual overlord, the Oni of Ife, for the service of a bronze founder to teach his people to make the memorial bronzes formerly imported from Ife, ..."

Reference: Margaret Plass, "The Art of Benin: An Evaluation Based on Discussions with William Fagg, Deputy Keeper of Ethnography in the British Museum"

See also: https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/the-art-of-benin/) for details.

Secondly:
Talking about low self-esteem, who must deem a kingdom as imperial before you (ghostwon) will agree to regard it as such?? Who??

Moreover, I am waiting patienyly for the evidence to support your imagination that only Benin was an empire in the southern Nigeria region.

In fact, Benin is more known merely as a kingdom than as an empire by most authoritative historical sources, in contrast to Oyo.

But to strangle you with some very obvious facts anyway, the Great Oyo Empire is so referred even by some of the sources from your slave-masters, viz. Encyclopaedia Britannica.

See https://www.britannica.com/place/Oyo-empire and also see attached screenshot.

For Ife's primacy and imperial status, that is not obvious except to academic historians, and that will be the focus of my intended post.

Please don't attempt to hasten my punishment on you.


And for the umpteenth time, your attached anime/cartoon drawing has already been trashed. So also is your map of Benin.

Refer here:
https://www.nairaland.com/5738539/benin-governor-kneels-greet-king/11#87682150

davidnazee:


See proof.

There is actually an interesting way by which lies exposes itself.

Your attached anonymous piece of writing which you intended as the evidence for your wild and rash laughable claim (that the Bini conquered the Ijebu people) turned out to be the actual evidence against you.

Your attached anonymous piece of writing shows at least two imporatant things:

1. That the author was clearly uncertain what the name Jaboe refers to.

2. It shows how unreliable and undependable the story of the supposed conquering of the so-called Jaboe by Benin actually is.

This is because the source of the story, Olfert Dapper (despite having written about Benin and other places in the world) actually never travelled outside of the Netherlands throughout his entire life.

Yet this is the same man (the primary source) whom all Benin bloggers and propagandist quote (without knowing) whenever they paint the infamous imaginary laughable Benin with street lights, shiny walls, clean street, etc.

In sum, Ijebu was never described as Jaboe in any classical European writting.

The known variant spelling for "Ijebu" in a classical European document is put as "Geebuu".

And this is found in a 16th century note by a Portuguese trader on the West African coast, Duarte Pacheco Pereira (an actual visitor and eyewitness unlike your Olfert Dapper). Pereira notes in relation to the Ijebu city wall:

"Twelve or thirteen leagues upstream from Lagos there is a large town called Geebuu, surrounded by a very large ditch."

Reference:
Duarte Pacheco Pereira: Esmeraldo de Situ Orbis, quoted in R. Smith; Kingdoms of the Yoruba, p. 75.


So, good luck to you searching for the Jaboe which your Benin conquered.

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Sewgon79

Sewgon79:


What is a just an idea, no fact. According what you posted, it said Jebou, well IJEBU is IJEBU not Jebou. And all the theory in your book have no concret fact. Just hearsay or idea.

Brother, to make it worse for him, the piece didn't even say Jebou. It actually says Jaboe.

Like seriously!?

I don't even get time for these ineffectual Bini revisionists. It's an insult to be comparing one of the most populous, most popular, most successful and greatest culture and religion people of Africa with an offshoot like Bini, a minority of minorities. Ibadan was a greater power than Bini in all ramifications, not to even mention Ìfẹ or Oyo.

Right now I'm watching documentary on Yoruba religions and cultures in the Americas and Carribbean. The white commentator just said, "Yoruba religion is the greatest import from Africa."

TAO11:


Brother, to make it worse for him, the piece didn't even say Jebou. It actually says Jaboe.

Like seriously!?

Look for a whiteman today and ask him to say Ijebu, I can bet you he will pronounce it as Jaboe..
common sense no common for you and your brother

johnmattew:
u clearly don't know 5he kind of power oba of benin has..

oba of lagos,Olu of warri,obi of Onitsha, all kings in Edo and delta and some kings in rivers state are all under of benin

Avoid marijuana or anything smokable.

TAO11:


There is actually an interesting way by which lies exposes itself.

Your attached anonymous piece of writing which you intended as the evidence for your wild and rash laughable claim (that the Bini conquered the Ijebu people) turned out to be the actual evidence against you.

Your attached anonymous piece of writing shows at least two imporatant things:

1. That the author was clearly uncertain what the name Jaboe refers to.

2. It shows how unreliable and undependable the story of the supposed conquering of the so-called Jaboe by Benin actually is.

This is because the source of the story, Olfert Dapper (despite having written about Benin and other places in the world) actually never travelled outside of the Netherlands throughout his entire life.

Yet this is the same man (the primary source) whom all Benin bloggers and propagandist quote (without knowing) whenever they paint the infamous imaginary laughable Benin with street lights, shiny walls, clean street, etc.

In sum, Ijebu was never described as Jaboe in any classical European writting.

The known variant spelling for "Ijebu" in a classical European document is put as "Geebuu".

And this is found in a 16th century note by a Portuguese trader on the West African coast, Duarte Pacheco Pereira (an actual visitor and eyewitness unlike your Olfert Dapper). Pereira notes in relation to the Ijebu city wall:

"Twelve or thirteen leagues upstream from Lagos there is a large town called Geebuu, surrounded by a very large ditch."

Reference:
Duarte Pacheco Pereira: Esmeraldo de Situ Orbis, quoted in R. Smith; Kingdoms of the Yoruba, p. 75.


So, good luck to you searching for the Jaboe which your Benin conquered.

cc:
Sewgon79

I see that you are still bothered by the evidence I showed you lol.
What difference does it make if a Portuguese man spell it as Geebuu and an English man spell it as Jaboe? Everyone know that they are referring to Ijebu..
bro u can’t change history.

davidnazee:


I see that you are still bothered by the evidence I showed you lol.
What difference does it make if a Portuguese man spell it as Geebuu and an English man spell it as Jaboe? Everyone know that they are referring to Ijebu..
bro u can’t change history.

Mister, I don't know history you are talking about but the verified history we all have and confirm by British museum says otherwise.

Well I won't argue because I know that there is no amount of years lies goes, the truth will surely come out.

I like my other friends, TAO11 because he always come up with concrete evidence. Whereas you always come up with your lame evidence.

lx3as:
I don't even get time for these ineffectual Bini revisionists. It's an insult to be comparing one of the most populous, most popular, most successful and greatest culture and religion people of Africa with an offshoot like Bini, a minority of minorities. Ibadan was a greater power than Bini in all ramifications, not to even mention Ìfẹ or Oyo.

Right now I'm watching documentary on Yoruba religions and cultures in the Americas and Carribbean. The white commentator just said, "Yoruba religion is the greatest import from Africa."

Please help us tell this Bini people, if given chance will turn the history of Africa upside down. But thank God that everywhere people know the history.

davidnazee:


I see that you are still bothered by the evidence I showed you lol.
What difference does it make if a Portuguese man spell it as Geebuu and an English man spell it as Jaboe? Everyone know that they are referring to Ijebu..
bro u can’t change history.

Lol. English man ke? Oga, you have no clue what you're talking about.

1. Dapper is Dutch.

2. And Dapper never travelled out of the Netherlands his entire life.

3. Contrary to your imagination that "everyone know that ... (Dapper) ... (was) referring to Ijebu", even your unamed author, citing Dapper, quite clearly indicates that no one knows what JAbOe refers to. His guess makes it blatantly clear.

4. So, not only does Dapper have no idea what, where, or who Jaboe refers to (as he clearly never left the Netherlands), he also offers no "geographical" description whatsoever (if any exist) of his Jaboe.

4. Comparing that to the clear Portuguese note on Geebuu which gives an unmistaking geographical and monumental description of Ijebu is very ridiculous.

You shall be alright!

davidnazee:


Look for a whiteman today and ask him to say Ijebu, I can bet you he will pronounce it as Jaboe..
common sense no common for you and your brother

I guess Periera was a blue-man when he uttered and documented "Geeboo" in the 1500s.

Oga, provide extant documentary evidence to substantiate your equation of a certain JAbOe with our noble Ijebu kingdom, just as I have done in the case of Geeboo.

Shun kindergaten excuses, and provide evidence instead, boy!

TAO11:


I guess Periera was a blue-man when he uttered and documented "Geeboo" in the 1500s.

Oga, provide extant documentary evidence to substantiate your equation of a certain JAbOe with our noble Ijebu kingdom, just as I have done in the case of Geeboo.

Shun kindergaten excuses, and provide evidence instead, boy!

Evidence about Ijebu? Why will I bother myself about a small village that has no history or was never a Kingdom to be reckoned with. Nothing fascinating about Ijebu
You should talk about Oyo and leave irrelevant places like Ijebu or Ife.

You can praise Ijebu or Ife if that’s your hometown but don’t start comparing or equating them to mighty and renowned empires.

davidnazee:


Evidence about Ijebu? Why will I bother myself

about a small village that has no history or was never a Kingdom to be reckoned with. Nothing fascinating about Ijebu

You should talk about Oyo and leave irrelevant places like Ijebu or Ife.

You can praise Ijebu or Ife if that’s your hometown but don’t start comparing or equating them to mighty and renowned empires.

Did you just say why will you bother to provide evidence to back up your own claim?

Despite using you for entertainment, I genuinely feel pity for you at this point. Lol.

Listen up lad, you're better off zipping up your mouth and not make a claim, if you're clueless about how to substantiate it.

He who makes a claim has the burden of proof. Read up on onus probandi.

Ironacally, the evidence for your Ijebu claim was exactly what you attempted with your JAbOe failure. Are you a living contradiction, ni?

TAO11:


Did you just say why will you bother to provide evidence to back up your own claim?

Despite using you for entertainment, I genuinely feel pity for you at this point. Lol.

Listen up lad, you're better off not zipping up your mouth and not make a claim, if you're clueless about how to substantiate it.

He who makes a claim has the burden of proof. Read up on onus probandi.

Ironacally, the evidence for your Ijebu claim was exactly what you attempted with your JAbOe failure. Are you a living contradiction, ni?

Shut up boy. Ijebu came into the discussion when u or your brother mentioned it and I proved him wrong.
If u want to discuss Ijebu then u should be the one providing evidence that Ijebu was a mighty Kingdom, had vassal states, many wars and conquests. Provide such evidence or Ijebu remains a small village, vassal to Benin Kingdom, no history and nothing fascinating about it.

Sewgon79:


Please help us tell this Bini people, if given chance will turn the history of Africa upside down. But thank God that everywhere people know the history.

And what is the existing history that people knows and who is trying to turn that history upside down?