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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by loswhite(m): 10:38am On Apr 04, 2020
mekaboy:


He is not selling . Just like other companies that will produce for US and UK. The government will provide the fund, they supply to the government at the cost price. Stop being ignorant. A little research will help u.
Do Nigeria government need 4 billion naira worth of ventilators? You stop being ignorant...If the government needs it, they will request but I'm sure we don't need to commit 4 billion naira just for ventilators....Get some sense
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by eyinjuege: 10:38am On Apr 04, 2020
mekaboy:


You should ask the US and UK why they are investing in their own local companies for ventilators. Innoson is offering what the US and UK companies are offering. Government pay us to produce for you at cost price.

Stop comparing the ventilator needs of UK and US to that of Nigeria at this minute.
They never asked their indigenous companies to produce ventilators until their demands skyrocketed.
Even those companies did not want to get involved because ventilators are normally not everyday equipments you produce steadily.
But I absolutely agree Nigeria's health system is flawed and our hospitals are underequipped. We need more ventilators generally (even without the covid).
Any business man that wants to venture into that can do so, and perhaps even sell it to countries that need it urgently. Innoson should see it as a business and if it sounds like a viable production should go ahead and not wait for any mobilisation fees from the government.
Some portable ventilator prototypes have been done by some US universities and people are given access to them freely so they can build upon the design. It was made freely available as a humanitarian gesture during this pandemic

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Nobody: 10:38am On Apr 04, 2020
PHIPEX:
Imagine this response coming from FG spokesman to Innoson. Comparing a private company to a govt funded institution.



https://mobile.twitter.com/BashirAhmaad/status/1246139083966935041
Do you people really believe the ruse Bayero University is producing ventilators?
Maybe you guys don't know what it takes to make one.
Nigeria doesn't have the technical know how, resources and trained manpower to make them.

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by seunmsg(m): 10:39am On Apr 04, 2020
Tflesk:

I Laugh In China... While Are Busy Begging Elon Musk On Twitter For 100 Ventilator And Now Dat Innoson Has Offered To Help Produce It, U Guys Are Here Talking Rubbish

Who is stopping Innoson from producing it?

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by mrblessed(m): 10:39am On Apr 04, 2020
rusher14:


Where are the prototypes from Innosons?
Where are the prototypes from Bayero University, Kano?
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by loswhite(m): 10:40am On Apr 04, 2020
PHIPEX:
You are not different from the govt, you want to see rainfall before you buy umbrella?

Besides, Innoson is not asking for a gift or grant, he is asking for a LOAN that's if he ever did.
You want to buy a 1000 umbrella and store when the rain has not even started falling....Stop sounding foolish abeg
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by diplomat058(m): 10:40am On Apr 04, 2020
Design and making of a prototype are very much part of Production. Yes, production entails the manipulation of inputs to produce outputs; in the same vein, you should know that resources, intellectual, skills, money, time and material inputs are also committed into the design project. So, it is right to say that design is the opening phase of production. Innoson is a producer that deals more with assemblage of automotive constituents, partly because Nigeria has lil or near zero industrial capacity to supply the needed inputs for a wholly manufacture. But the fact that Innoson handles the peripheral aspects of production doesn't stop him from being addressed as a producer. The same logic should apply to a designer, I believe. Hyhundai operated for many years with Mitsubishi-designed Engines, but since the Former were identified with some processes of the production, both were regarded as producers to that end.



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I agree with you in principle with a caveat. Design is part of production process but not part of production. Production itself involves input into a system that was designed, the system works on the inputs and brings out output. So if a product is still at design stage, you don't go and say we are producing. It's deceptive in all ramifications. Who goes about announcing design efforts by the way? BUK have never come out to say they are making ventilators. Bashir said it and I ask that he shows us the ventilators they produced.

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by naijaman2225(m): 10:41am On Apr 04, 2020
rusher14:


Innosons does not produce ventilators and hasn't even produced a prototype. Yet you want government to just credit him with some baloney 4 billion Naira because he says he can make it.

Na wa o.
LET'S BE HONEST WITH OURSELVES HERE, INNOSON MAY CLAIM TO BE PRIVATE SECTOR DRIVEN BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY IT IS JUST AN INDUSTRIAL BOONDOGGLE THAT RELIES ONLY ON STATE SUBSIDIES FOR SURVIVAL.

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Nobody: 10:42am On Apr 04, 2020
mrblessed:
Where are the prototypes from Bayero University, Kano?
The claim is a ruse. It will be easier for Bayero University to claim they are making cars than ventilators.
Lies flying about everywhere.
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by unmask: 10:42am On Apr 04, 2020
mekaboy:


Is it not when government shows interest that they request for prototypes? Or are you requesting for prototypes on behalf of government online?

He knows how he produced ambulance, fire trucks and police Van's for government. So he knows why he is asking the government to show interest before he does this. He understands government more than you do.

Air peace onyema did not wait for government before he went and airlifted Nigerians from south Africa. What happened next? Scandal of money laundry and his name was dragged to the mud. The same Nigerians that hailed him for what he did, came online to call him a thief, claiming he was fronting for jonathan and corrupt thieves. We know you people.
That is not how these things work. We have established one fact he is in it for the money (Basis: he is rich enough to do it for free). And a businessman knows he has to prove he is able to do something to the buyer and that is where prototype comes in. A small scaled product available to undergo certification process with the relevant authorities.

And no you don't know me..... I don't play tribal or religious cards.....sorry to disappoint

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by bigtt76(f): 10:42am On Apr 04, 2020
I see nothing wrong in Bashir's response. Innoson claims to have the capability to produce the ventilators but is yet to produce any.... What are they waiting for? The BUK guys were never prompted to produce any but took it up on their own to do so. We are not expecting anything tangible from them though. What I would expect from Innoson is to invite the BUK guys over and give them the much needed assistance (use of their factory line). I suspect Innoson is looking for a Chinese partner to sign up with for the knock down parts

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by MrPaul2: 10:44am On Apr 04, 2020
PHIPEX:
Did FG ask Dangote to refine some litres of fuel first before he got govt backing to build refinery? Govt should always support critical sectors, that's how countries grow not by begging.
what are you saying, the said company said "he can produce " but he has not produced even a sample, do you want to joke with peoples money and life at the same time with unreliable ventilator? I don't understand. Is this the best time to encourage untested products with human lives?
If he is sure he can produce ventilators, let him do so now, many more countries will need it of its reliable. Giving him money to produced ventilators in this crucial time to me, is gabling with lives and fund of this country

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by deathmen12: 10:44am On Apr 04, 2020
They don’t have sense na, it’s a pity we share the same country with this guys.
hybrid77:
Why do these guyz talk as if they have no sense

You should have called him on phone and discussed how his company canhelp with producing ventilators and other equipments needed

You dont come online to stupidly make useless remarks about someone that is willing to help

Well, for now, we dont need ventilators

If that changes, hmmmm...mk i nor talk
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Jacob168: 10:44am On Apr 04, 2020
It is not out of place if Government give them the necessary support... But I trust this Government they will prefer to beg a single man out side than to produce, the begging spirit da the body idiot people .
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by mekaboy(m): 10:45am On Apr 04, 2020
loswhite:
Do you have the same problems with them? Do you have a 100,000 cases? How many test have you been able to carry out? So you will commit 4 billion to the production of ventilators when you can spend just 1 Billion and get quite a number of them? Making you a leader will even be more catastrophic than what we have now because clearly your judgement will be clouded

It is ignorance that kills us faster than anything. Did America, Spain , italy have the same problems with china when they were facing coronavirus? Today, italy, spain and America have more casualties than china. So wait till Nigeria has 100,000 cases to make arrangements. Like they say, you fail to plan, you plan to fail. You are just like buhari that will budget billions for aso rock clinic, but not bother to put panadol. Simply because he can travel. What is happening today? Even more equipped and developed countries are overwhelmed by the virus and Nigeria with no capacity at all is waiting for 100,000 cases. What percentage of Nigerians have been tested for the virus?
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Billygee2u: 10:45am On Apr 04, 2020
PHIPEX:
Did FG ask Dangote to refine some litres of fuel first before he got govt backing to build refinery? Govt should always support critical sectors, that's how countries grow not by begging.
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by deathmen12: 10:46am On Apr 04, 2020
They don’t have sense na, it’s a pity we share the same country with this people.
hybrid77:
Why do these guyz talk as if they have no sense

You should have called him on phone and discussed how his company canhelp with producing ventilators and other equipments needed

You dont come online to stupidly make useless remarks about someone that is willing to help

Well, for now, we dont need ventilators

If that changes, hmmmm...mk i nor talk
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by jaxxy(m): 10:46am On Apr 04, 2020
Agboriotejoye:


Really? You agree that an automaker should make a prototype? What is the difference between AC compressors and ventilators or why do you think Ford and GM are being asked to produce ventilators. The guy is an ignoramus. Don't fall for him

This ur comment is more reason why we need to see prototypes b4 u make Ac compressor for people as ventilator. Imagine the statement.

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Billygee2u: 10:46am On Apr 04, 2020
hybrid77:
Why do these guyz talk as if they have no sense

You should have called him on phone and discussed how his company canhelp with producing ventilators and other equipments needed

You dont come online to stupidly make useless remarks about someone that is willing to help

Well, for now, we dont need ventilators

If that changes, hmmmm...mk i nor talk
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Agboriotejoye(m): 10:46am On Apr 04, 2020
anonimi:


Pointless no point.
How many ventilators has BUK made and delivered that are working perfectly since when

I tire oo!! I never knew we have dull people like dis. BUK is producing ventilators cheesy cheesy

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Agboriotejoye(m): 10:50am On Apr 04, 2020
jaxxy:


This ur comment is more reason why we need to see prototypes b4 u make Ac compressor for people as ventilator. Imagine the statement.

Eeerm excuse me. Do you know the ventilators they are talking about? Do you realize they are basically mechanical compressors with control system to regulate the intake and outtake of air? Do you really think the other automakers like Mercedes, GM and Ford that are being asked to manufacture it in their home countries are doing something new? Must you advertise your ignorance?
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by mekaboy(m): 10:50am On Apr 04, 2020
MrPaul2:
what are you saying, the said company said "he can produce " but he has not produced even a sample, do you want to joke with peoples money and life at the same time with unreliable ventilator? I don't understand. Is this the best time to encourage untested products with human lives?
If he is sure he can produce ventilators, let him do so now, many more countries will need it of its reliable. Giving him money to produced ventilators in this crucial time to me, is gabling with lives and fund of this country

Dyson never produced ventilators before the UK contacted them to produce. They ordered 10,000 ventilators that will still be tested if they will meet the requirements.

The world is running to china for ventilators. China works with innoson. Which is better, to join the cue in China and order a container for ventilators that might containe 20 pieces or the send a container containing parts for 200 ventilators and assembled by innoson?

You guys dont have the slightest ideas of how these things work.

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by jaxxy(m): 10:51am On Apr 04, 2020
Ttooyy12345:

Why cant he acquire one and research on it. Vehicles have standards too or are u not aware? How did he start with vehicle production?

Does all vehicles work thesame? Can u compare a rolls Royce engine with a Toyota engine?

These are 2 very different manufacturing standards. Rolls Royce have engines used by planes and aircrafts.

It is not time for experimentation pls even Gm motors have to work with professionals in the biz.
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by loswhite(m): 10:51am On Apr 04, 2020
mekaboy:


It is ignorance that kills us faster than anything. Did America, Spain , italy have the same problems with china when they were facing coronavirus? Today, italy, spain and America have more casualties than china. So wait till Nigeria has 100,000 cases to make arrangements. Like they say, you fail to plan, you plan to fail. You are just like buhari that will budget billions for aso rock clinic, but not bother to put panadol. Simply because he can travel. What is happening today? Even more equipped and developed countries are overwhelmed by the virus and Nigeria with no capacity at all is waiting for 100,000 cases. What percentage of Nigerians have been tested for the virus?
You ppl just don't have sense at all.... I'm sure most of you are just hearing of ventilators for the first time...lol I'm sure most of you think ventilators are the vaccine needed to treat covid 19

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Agboriotejoye(m): 10:52am On Apr 04, 2020
rusher14:


GM is working with Ventec Life systems.

By the way, Innosons doesn't make compressors.

And you know dis as.... Even if they don't? I'm sure he has a supplier who he can get it from and then carry out the modification as required by specifications? if he says he can do it, should he not be engaged instead of begging Elon for BIPAPs that cannot even work? I don't even know when almajiri Bashir became an expert on ventilators undecided
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Xandelle: 10:55am On Apr 04, 2020
seunmsg:


Ventilators are the most sought after items in the world right now. Countries are willing to pay any amount judtbto have them. If Innoson is serious, he should approach a commercial bank and get the N4b loan from them. He will make more than double of the investment if he can truly deliver within the next one month.

You can't bring in finished products into western countries without bilateral trade agreements between the two countries. As it is, the only thing Nigeria can export to western countries are raw materials...
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by jaxxy(m): 10:56am On Apr 04, 2020
Agboriotejoye:


Eeerm excuse me. Do you know the ventilators they are talking about? Do you realize they are basically mechanical compressors with control system to regulate the intake and outtake of air? Do you really think the other automakers like Mercedes, GM and Ford that are being asked to manufacture it in their home countries are doing something new? Must you advertise your ignorance?

Do u know how long those companies have been making cars? We are talking probably 50 to100 years pls, do u know the type and level of production line they have? U think it's what innoson is doing? Pls ventilator are not just Mechancal or manual they are computerised. Go and read what the experts even told foreign automobile companies on it. It's more than an air pump.

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Agboriotejoye(m): 10:57am On Apr 04, 2020
YoungAncient1:
See insult from bashir, " especially now when its market is more profitable than spare parts"

Pls forgive him. The insult is not intentional. An almajiri does not know the difference between a car and its parts. All na ingin to him
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by unmask: 10:58am On Apr 04, 2020
mekaboy:


Dyson was never interested in making ventilators till they were consulted. It was after they were consulted that they designed the new Covent ventilators. This will still be tested to ensure it meets requirements before they are used. The UK has already placed other for 10,000 and this is the first of the kind of ventilators. Which might or might not meet requirements. But they are willing to take the chance with a local company.
The UK made a call for companies to help with the shortage of ventilators. Dyson and a host of companies took up the challenge. Dyson has announced theirs. Nigeria is yet to make that announcement. A businessman with foresight sees that there will be a need for that and he realises he can produce it. Emphasis on CAN.

What he then needs to do is to produce a prototype and present to the government.

Now while other firms are making prototypes and sending it for testing he is waiting for a largess. The truth is if there is ever a ventilator glut, he would have lost out big time

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by eyinjuege: 10:58am On Apr 04, 2020
mekaboy:


Dyson never produced ventilators before the UK contacted them to produce. They ordered 10,000 ventilators that will still be tested if they will meet the requirements.

The world is running to china for ventilators. China works with innoson. Which is better, to join the cue in China and order a container for ventilators that might containe 20 pieces or the send a container containing parts for 200 ventilators and assembled by innoson?

You guys dont have the slightest ideas of how these things work.

Nothing is stopping Innoson from producing or assembling ventilators in Nigeria.
He can do it, which is what Bashir is saying.
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by unmask: 11:00am On Apr 04, 2020
BeautifulMind2:

Innoson never ask FG for one Kobo
ok. I stand corrected then. So what seems to be the issue then? Has he created a prototype that was rejected?

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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by unmask: 11:01am On Apr 04, 2020
CSTR2:

Innoson is not running away.

Taking a risk of 4 billion naira is not the worst way to spend money, compared to how much waste takes place everyday in govt.
The machine is 7 million why can't he make a prototype that works and watch the orders pile in..... prototypes show you can do what you say

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