eyinjuege:


Ventilators were been made long before corona. It's not a new invention or intervention so there are companies who make medical equipments even without their government's support, already in existence
The only gamechanger of recent is the corona/increased demand in those countries requesting for more ventilators. The regular companies who produce them cannot produce more than a certain number, hence the presidential orders requesting certain automobile companies to start production, despite their reluctance.
I'm not sure why you see hatred for Innoson.
If he wants to go into production, nothing stops him. He can raise the money to do so, unless he wants the government to bear the losses.
It's either he waits till his help is needed or he can be proactive and source for funds for his ideas.

Which bank will give him a loan for one-off production that demand can vanish in 2 months? Especially when there is no firm order from a buyer? Haven't you heard of govt guarantee or LPO? You need an LPO to get such short term funding, not newspaper publication.

hybrid77:
Why do these guyz talk as if they have no sense

You should have called him on phone and discussed how his company canhelp with producing ventilators and other equipments needed

You dont come online to stupidly make useless remarks about someone that is willing to help

Well, for now, we dont need ventilators

If that changes, hmmmm...mk i nor talk

Willing to help? Are you educated at all? What help? He’s looking to MAKE MONEY or will the ventilators be sold PURELY at cost price?

He went public and has been responded to by a government official publicly.

If you’re educated you’d SEE The part where he commented VENTILLATORS are more in demand than Motors ? INNOSSON can forget Naija let him produce ventilators for Ghana lol

Just so you know In business you ONLY make advance payments to SPECIALISED DEALERS

NwaNimo1:
Innoson needs the 4billion he requested to mobilize.

Him no sabi where bank dey?

sassysure:

Innoson don't need the money but partnership.
Govt partnership don't equate money.

We rather buy from outside or beg than patner with indigenous company and it would have gotten a resounding yes if its not an igbo man company.

Whose loss, obviously not innoson.
Common econ 101 will tell us that.

Nigeria keep on being a consumer nation that fully depend on others to function 100% effectively.

I have noticed that what has kept Nigeria in the dark is nothing but hatred. Those that felt they have advantage are still wallowing in hatred hence they see no reason to develop themselves. Are they not very stupid and filled with low IQ then?

Let him source for funds and start production .
Nothing stops him from doing so
Nigeria has always been short of ventilators anyway even before the covid.
He should make it up to standard, and many African nations including Nigeria will buy from him.
I personally just feel there is an agenda because of the billions donated by some Nigerian philanthropists, hence the insistence that money must be given to a private individual businessman to produce ventilators.
Quite a number of the money was donated to Lagos state government
Innoson should go and market his products, make proposals and submit to state governments in the country, hospitals both private and public, banks, churches and mosques etc. and not wait for Federal government otherwise he will wait in futility.
Many people want to donate funds for this pandemic but they are afraid because some conman in government will pocket it. He should try and sell his ideas so he can raise funds and a market.

eyinjuege:


Exactly.
If he is serious about this, it will be easier to source for funds.
Nobody will hand you anything on a platter in Nigeria o. Even though I know majority of us love freebies.

Who is begging for ventilators, innoson or Nigerian government?

emmysoftyou:
so what of the money they have collected to fight coronavirus in Nigeria, remember, otedola and all the richest men in Nigeria raised supported funds to fight covid19 ..let the federal government use the funds to purchased ventilators from him rather than embezzling all the money gotten to fight corona virus ..
Useless government.

Ibo sense, y don't u mandate igbo billionaires to give him d money? So all the money contributed is for ventilators? Everything to you is all about others hates Ibo, as a biz man, he should source his fund himself

Agboriotejoye:


Music? Really? Is music manufacturing? Don't you know the difference between intellectual property and manufacturing? What about services?
Gerrout!!

Lol

You have got to calm down, bro. If you don't know that production, essentially, is basically the same, be it music or manufacturing, that means you lack basic understanding of economics and you just jumped on a trending bandwagon on this thread.

Production is simply defined as the creation of utilities (satisfaction); for you to create an utility, you need inputs, work on them and resourcefully give them transformational value as outputs that satisfy wants. The inputs may be material or immaterial, same with the outputs which may be concrete or service.

For a Complete Manufacturing producer, production starts from the R & D unit that designs, realize the design and then go into marketing (pricing, product definition, place distribution and promotion).

For the Complete Musical Producer, production starts from the composition of lyrics (intellectual property) to the making of a beat to the whole studio exercise to produce the utility product-track, satisfy people's audio wants.

That's why both Music and Manufacturing are called productive sectors of the Economy and the products in both are included in the Country's Gross Domestic Product

Use your brain. Economics 101

PHIPEX:
Which bank will give him a loan for one-off production that demand can vanish in 2 months? Especially when there is no firm order from a buyer? Haven't you heard of govt guarantee or LPO? You need an LPO to get such short term funding, not newspaper publication.

So he should be more ingenious in raising funds.
There are many people I terested in do ating towards this pandemic and theybwould be glad to donate to something physical like ventilators instead of giving it to any government that will chop it.
The govt will not commit billions into something they may not need.
Our covid numbers are still bearable in nigeria and our need for ventilators has not increased. Many have been having only the mild form of the disease.
They are more focused on breaking the transmission/flattening the curve which is what we need NOW in Nigeria anyway

eyinjuege:


Let him source for funds and start production .
Nothing stops him from doing so
Nigeria has always been short of ventilators anyway even before the covid.
He should make it up to standard, and many African nations including Nigeria will buy from him.
I personally just feel there is an agenda because of the billions donated by some Nigerian philanthropists, hence the insistence that money must be given to a private individual businessman to produce ventilators.
Quite a number of the money was donated to Lagos state government
Innoson should go and market his products, make proposals and submit to state governments in the country, hospitals both private and public, banks, churches and mosques etc. and not wait for Federal government otherwise he will wait in futility.
Many people want to donate funds for this pandemic but they are afraid because some conman in government will pocket it. He should try and sell his ideas so he can raise funds and a market.

He offered to help. He wont go through the stress of making ventilators because that's not his major product. Just like the companies abroad are not producing ventilators and hawking the streets. They have their primary products that the produce and sell.

So it's a matter of who needs them.

NwaNimo1:
Innoson needs the 4billion he requested to mobilize.

This is how seeds of hate are down.
Please can you post proof of Innoson asking for N4b mobilisation

Tell innoson to produce and give the Biafrian states instead of the audio 2.5 billion he donated to Nigeria government.Don't mind his propaganda.The cars he is making how has he made it affordable to Biafrians through any discount window.Pls he is an audio man

eyinjuege:


So he should be more ingenious in raising funds.
There are many people I terested in do ating towards this pandemic and theybwould be glad to donate to something physical like ventilators instead of giving it to any government that will chop it.
The govt will not commit billions into something they may not need.
Our covid numbers are still bearable in nigeria and our need for ventilators has not increased. Many have been having only the mild form of the disease.
They are more focused on breaking the transmission/flattening the curve which is what we need NOW in Nigeria anyway

They can't commit money now but they can beg online right. Innoson has nothing to lose, the govt has everything to lose here. He should be more ingenious in raising fund because he wants to help Nigeria salvage a mess while those in govt gloat and sleep

mekaboy:


Who is begging for ventilators, innoson or Nigerian government?

The Nigerian government saw "free ventilators" and shot their shot. It's the shamelessness we see everywhere including social media pages where people keep soliciting for funds. There is no single day you will open a celebrity page where you won't see Nigerians begging including on pages of non nigerian celebrities.
So I'm not surprised, as those begging Tesla are from amongst us.
Innoson too on the other hand seems to be begging to make ventilators, which no one has stopped him from making . But why are people on here stylishly begging from the FG to make this happen?

mekaboy:


He offered to help. He wont go through the stress of making ventilators because that's not his major product. Just like the companies abroad are not producing ventilators and hawking the streets. They have their primary products that the produce and sell.

So it's a matter of who needs them.

Apparently, not Nigeria at this minute.

Toh so let him come out with a prototype. If government does not patronize him, corporate bodies will do so and donate to hospitals.

Agboriotejoye:


Unfortunately, BUK has not produced any ventilator. That one is a barefaced lie. If you have anything to the contrary kindly share. This Bashir is notorious for spreading lies and propaganda from Kano. Innoson on the other hand is a proven car maker/assembler. Making ventilators is something he'll be able to do with some modifications. Where he gets his parts from will be his cup of kunu

eyinjuege:


Let him source for funds and start production .
Nothing stops him from doing so
Nigeria has always been short of ventilators anyway even before the covid.
He should make it up to standard, and many African nations including Nigeria will buy from him.
I personally just feel there is an agenda because of the billions donated by some Nigerian philanthropists, hence the insistence that money must be given to a private individual businessman to produce ventilators.
Quite a number of the money was donated to Lagos state government
Innoson should go and market his products, make proposals and submit to state governments in the country, hospitals both private and public, banks, churches and mosques etc. and not wait for Federal government otherwise he will wait in futility.
Many people want to donate funds for this pandemic but they are afraid because some conman in government will pocket it. He should try and sell his ideas so he can raise funds and a market.

I want to believe the problem you have with him now is that he offered instead of waiting for govt to come meet him first. No problem then. Let's hope we eventually don't run into a great need for ventilators and everything will be alright. If we do and govt runs to him with the 4bn or runs to a foreign company with 10bn or begging plates, I hope you will have the mind to call them out for this initial rejection. Though I hope govt will not denounce this Bashir's post as unauthorized by then sha.

mekaboy:


He offered to help. He wont go through the stress of making ventilators because that's not his major product. Just like the companies abroad are not producing ventilators and hawking the streets. They have their primary products that the produce and sell.

[/b]So it's a matter of who needs them[b].

Exactly.
The US and Europe need ventilators as a matter of urgency.
But not Nigeria, for now.
He offered, and his offer hasn't been taken up. But it is on record he offered, and it may still be taken up when needed. For now, it's not needed.
Now, I know we have never had enough ventilators in the country, on a good day even without the virus, and that has to be resolved. But there is no urgency or rush in that. These are things we have to come to a round table and talk about improving our healthcare systems after the world is back to normal.

Agboriotejoye:


You don't ask an automaker to produce a prototype. A ventilator works like a car AC so it's part of their production. I don't know where you guys got this idea of prototype from. Think about issues before typing at least. Did Trump ask GM and Ford for prototype before ordering them to produce?

An automaker you say, not an assembly plant of car parts like Innoson who source for parts from China.
And don't be deceived, thier's a huge difference in the manufacturing of a car AC/Vacum Cleaner and a Ventilator....a very big difference.

HVAC experts working for the big automobiles can go back to their drawing boards to produce a Ventilator but it's not an easy task, that's why it's taking them more time to produce a "little Ventilator" than what it takes to manufacture a whole car.

leokid866:

They say knowledge is power so I'm about to give you some knowledge so you can rise above your stupidity and head into power......have you ever heard of Tunde Folawiyo? I'm guessing not....see Mr Tunde and his company had been searching for Oil in Lagos for 25 years......in 2016 they finally discovered it, the last four years of their operations was sponsored majorly by Dangote who believed in their search, after the discovery all rights were settled and dangote decided he was going to build his refinery in Lagos. If it were just for him to be Refining oil that NNPC produced he could have chosen to build his refinery in any of the oil producing regions in the east, but in Lagos not only can he refine oil from others he can refine his own as well cause he has a source of his own. Hope you now have knowledge and will stop showing your stupidity and commenting just because you can?.

If you want to debate, debate without insults. Bringing up insults in a debate only shows that you are not knowledgeable in the subject matter.

First things first...let me clarify items from your earlier post. You said DANGOTE and not Tunde Folawiyo was the one that has been drilling oil for the past four years. Never did you mention Tunde's name in your earlier post.

Secondly now Tunde's name has been brought forth, I guess you're talking about his company Yinka Folawiyo Petroleum Co Ltd which owns 60% stake in OML 113.
The remaining 40% stake is owned by Vitol, First Hydrocarbon, Energy Equity Resources, panoro energy and Jacka resources. Dangote does NOT own a stake in any of these companies nor does he own a stake in any of Yinka's firms (Including ENYO retail).

For you to come and say that they had a settlement of rights shows that you have little or no knowledge at all of how the oil industry operates. The OML field was licensed to Yinka Folawiyo...not Dangote group nor dansa etc. A settlement of rights (as you said) would have automatically awarded Tunde's rights to the Dangote group but that isn't the case here. Let's even assume there was a "settlement of rights" as you said, it is impossible because nothing of such was documented with naipems nor the NPDC.

The documentation alone for the re-awarding of the oil block would take a lot of cumbersome legal processes which would take not less than a year to complete. (And you alleged that Dangote settled the "rights" immediately after the oil was found went out to start construction in his refinery.

You CANNOT and NEVER have an agreement of this sort by mere word of mouth in the world of buisness, talkless of now doing so in the Oil and gas industry which takes pride in cumbersome documentations for even the smallest details. The whole argument you're bringing forth is typically Dead on Arrival.

You seem to be a kid or maybe a university undergraduate who has been bamboozled with the little handouts he gets in school and assumes he is the "Master of knowledge" whom all others should get a little sap of "knowledge" from. My advise to you is to throw out every of iota pride in you and learn as much as you can from everybody. Intelligent people don't brag/ disturb others with the vast amount of knowledge they've acquired it's only fools that do that. I don't think you're a fool but I know that you ought to be more humble about the little you know...so that you can learn more from others.

bigtt76:
Toh so let him come out with a prototype. If government does not patronize him, corporate bodies will do so and donate to hospitals.

He's not into ventilator production madam. He's taking a cue from what's going on in other countries where they've run into great needs for ventilators and have converted their automakers to ventilator manufacturer. He has never indicated interest in becoming a ventilator manufacturer. He's talking about an emergency situation not a business model. A proven automaker who's production line is being modified to produce does not need to produce a prototype since he's already proven in his field of expertise.

PVision2020:

An automaker you say, not an assembly plant of car parts like Innoson who source for parts from China.
And don't be deceived, thier's a huge difference in the manufacturing of a car AC/Vacum Cleaner and a Ventilator....a very big difference.

HVAC experts working for the big automobiles can go back to their drawing boards to produce a Ventilator but it's not an easy task, that's why it's taking them more time to produce a "little Ventilator" than what it takes to manufacture a whole car.

Whether assembly or making he's sha into car manufacture.

Of course there's a difference. But the principles are the same which is why their plants are being used.

Agboriotejoye:


I want to believe the problem you have with him now is that he offered instead of waiting for govt to come meet him first. No problem then. Let's hope we eventually don't run into a great need for ventilators and everything will be alright. If we do and govt runs to him with the 4bn or runs to a foreign company with 10bn or begging plates, I hope you will have the mind to call them out for this initial rejection. Though I hope govt will not denounce this Bashir's post as unauthorized by then sha.

Let's hope the virus doesn't cause damage like its causing in the West. I'm really surprised it hasn't blown off seriously in Nigeria yet, so I hope the lockdown works.
Airports/seaports should be closed till the world is back to normality.
Nigeria needs to have a serious talk about its failing healthcare system and how to make it better.

mekaboy:


Dyson was never interested in making ventilators till they were consulted. It was after they were consulted that they designed the new Covent ventilators. This will still be tested to ensure it meets requirements before they are used. The UK has already placed other for 10,000 and this is the first of the kind of ventilators. Which might or might not meet requirements. But they are willing to take the chance with a local company.

Soon Dyson would become a major exporter of ventilators, creating jobs and pumping billions in pounds to the British government.

And Nigerian govt would be there wondering why the UK is rich.

Fariq:
He is right. They can produce and even export it as the world demand is increasing. No need to wait for the government to tell you "do so". After all, it's your own private company.

You are very right.

Innoson didn't have to wait for anyone to ask him to produce ventilators.

Was he requested to commence vehicle manufacturing before he did?

NwaNimo1:
Innoson needs the 4billion he requested to mobilize.

I am from Anambra state.

No one should give Innoson a dime for ventilators.

If he is serious, by now he would have made and distributed prototypes and samples to relevant institutions to attract government's attention in view of imminent large orders and patronage.

Trump had to use the defence production act to force companies like Ford in America to produce health related materials.

Here, we have a producer in Nigeria willing to try, but govt wants him to produce prototype.

Una go wait tire.
America is already hijacking all the ventilators in the world.

Just pray we don't need them.

CoolAmbience:



I am from Anambra state.

No one should give Innoson a dime for ventilators.

If he is serious, by now he would have made and distributed prototypes and samples to relevant institutions to attract government's attention in view of imminent large orders and patronage.

Ventilators is not his core business.

If he doesn't produce, he won't lose anything.

This huge demand for ventilators is unsustainable.

I won't touch it without govt patronage.

There must be a contract to supply all the hospitals in Nigeria with at least 50 ventilators for me to even touch it.

hybrid77:
Why do these guyz talk as if they have no sense

You should have called him on phone and discussed how his company canhelp with producing ventilators and other equipments needed

You dont come online to stupidly make useless remarks about someone that is willing to help

Well, for now, we dont need ventilators

If that changes, hmmmm...mk i nor talk

I am trying to make sense of your post.

If Innoson really means to help, by now we should have had tens of his ventilators being tested.

He is an entrepreneur, he should know better.

No responsible government would like to be seen as being at the mercy of anyone, firm or group.

This is not to say that government cannot support critical private initiatives and ventures.

CoolAmbience:




I am trying to make sense of your post.

If Innoson really means to help, by now we should have had tens of his ventilators being tested.

He is an entrepreneur, he should know better.

No responsible government would like to be seen as being at the mercy of anyone, firm or group.

This is not to say that government cannot support critical private initiatives and ventures.

The same govt that have repeatedly said publicly that Nigeria is waiting on dangote refinery for improvement in that sector.

You don't know what you are talking about.

PHIPEX:
Did FG ask Dangote to refine some litres of fuel first before he got govt backing to build refinery? Govt should always support critical sectors, that's how countries grow not by begging.

I'm sure that FG didn't give Dangote any money to build refinery. What kind of backing does Innoson want? N 4 billion naira?

Yebosola:




Ibo sense, y don't u mandate igbo billionaires to give him d money? So all the money contributed is for ventilators? Everything to you is all about others hates Ibo, as a biz man, he should source his fund himself

so that ur people will start probing them or witch hunting them..
The one onyema did is a lesson to other Igbo billionaire..
Nigeria as a country is something else..full of hatred..
Almost all the commenters are talking trash because an Igbo man want to help out. Since all this time till now, what has buhari done for the people of east and you want a free ventilators from an Igbo man who's ready to help Nigeria with little token from them.(4billion).
Meanwhile, all their salaries as politician and law makers is more than that..

Useless government..

If I am innoson, I would take the risk, produce, and charge the govt heavily per unit.

No look face at all.

Though govt may tax the living daylights out of him.