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Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by PHIPEX(m): 12:17pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
eyinjuege:Which bank will give him a loan for one-off production that demand can vanish in 2 months? Especially when there is no firm order from a buyer? Haven't you heard of govt guarantee or LPO? You need an LPO to get such short term funding, not newspaper publication. |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by 27Pushing30: 12:18pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
hybrid77: Willing to help? Are you educated at all? What help? He’s looking to MAKE MONEY or will the ventilators be sold PURELY at cost price? He went public and has been responded to by a government official publicly. If you’re educated you’d SEE The part where he commented VENTILLATORS are more in demand than Motors ? INNOSSON can forget Naija let him produce ventilators for Ghana lol Just so you know In business you ONLY make advance payments to SPECIALISED DEALERS |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by chloride6: 12:20pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
NwaNimo1: Him no sabi where bank dey? |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by eyinjuege: 12:21pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
sassysure: Let him source for funds and start production . Nothing stops him from doing so Nigeria has always been short of ventilators anyway even before the covid. He should make it up to standard, and many African nations including Nigeria will buy from him. I personally just feel there is an agenda because of the billions donated by some Nigerian philanthropists, hence the insistence that money must be given to a private individual businessman to produce ventilators. Quite a number of the money was donated to Lagos state government Innoson should go and market his products, make proposals and submit to state governments in the country, hospitals both private and public, banks, churches and mosques etc. and not wait for Federal government otherwise he will wait in futility. Many people want to donate funds for this pandemic but they are afraid because some conman in government will pocket it. He should try and sell his ideas so he can raise funds and a market. |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by mekaboy(m): 12:24pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
eyinjuege: Who is begging for ventilators, innoson or Nigerian government? |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Yebosola(m): 12:24pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
emmysoftyou: Ibo sense, y don't u mandate igbo billionaires to give him d money? So all the money contributed is for ventilators? Everything to you is all about others hates Ibo, as a biz man, he should source his fund himself |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by diplomat058(m): 12:24pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
Agboriotejoye:Lol You have got to calm down, bro. If you don't know that production, essentially, is basically the same, be it music or manufacturing, that means you lack basic understanding of economics and you just jumped on a trending bandwagon on this thread. Production is simply defined as the creation of utilities (satisfaction); for you to create an utility, you need inputs, work on them and resourcefully give them transformational value as outputs that satisfy wants. The inputs may be material or immaterial, same with the outputs which may be concrete or service. For a Complete Manufacturing producer, production starts from the R & D unit that designs, realize the design and then go into marketing (pricing, product definition, place distribution and promotion). For the Complete Musical Producer, production starts from the composition of lyrics (intellectual property) to the making of a beat to the whole studio exercise to produce the utility product-track, satisfy people's audio wants. That's why both Music and Manufacturing are called productive sectors of the Economy and the products in both are included in the Country's Gross Domestic Product Use your brain. Economics 101 |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by eyinjuege: 12:26pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
PHIPEX: So he should be more ingenious in raising funds. There are many people I terested in do ating towards this pandemic and theybwould be glad to donate to something physical like ventilators instead of giving it to any government that will chop it. The govt will not commit billions into something they may not need. Our covid numbers are still bearable in nigeria and our need for ventilators has not increased. Many have been having only the mild form of the disease. They are more focused on breaking the transmission/flattening the curve which is what we need NOW in Nigeria anyway |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by mekaboy(m): 12:26pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
eyinjuege: He offered to help. He wont go through the stress of making ventilators because that's not his major product. Just like the companies abroad are not producing ventilators and hawking the streets. They have their primary products that the produce and sell. So it's a matter of who needs them. |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by cuteboy2: 12:29pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
NwaNimo1: This is how seeds of hate are down. Please can you post proof of Innoson asking for N4b mobilisation |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Nobody: 12:29pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
Tell innoson to produce and give the Biafrian states instead of the audio 2.5 billion he donated to Nigeria government.Don't mind his propaganda.The cars he is making how has he made it affordable to Biafrians through any discount window.Pls he is an audio man |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by PHIPEX(m): 12:30pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
eyinjuege:They can't commit money now but they can beg online right. Innoson has nothing to lose, the govt has everything to lose here. He should be more ingenious in raising fund because he wants to help Nigeria salvage a mess while those in govt gloat and sleep |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by eyinjuege: 12:31pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
mekaboy: The Nigerian government saw "free ventilators" and shot their shot. It's the shamelessness we see everywhere including social media pages where people keep soliciting for funds. There is no single day you will open a celebrity page where you won't see Nigerians begging including on pages of non nigerian celebrities. So I'm not surprised, as those begging Tesla are from amongst us. Innoson too on the other hand seems to be begging to make ventilators, which no one has stopped him from making . But why are people on here stylishly begging from the FG to make this happen? |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by eyinjuege: 12:32pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
mekaboy: Apparently, not Nigeria at this minute. |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by bigtt76(f): 12:37pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
Toh so let him come out with a prototype. If government does not patronize him, corporate bodies will do so and donate to hospitals. Agboriotejoye: |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Agboriotejoye(m): 12:38pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
eyinjuege: I want to believe the problem you have with him now is that he offered instead of waiting for govt to come meet him first. No problem then. Let's hope we eventually don't run into a great need for ventilators and everything will be alright. If we do and govt runs to him with the 4bn or runs to a foreign company with 10bn or begging plates, I hope you will have the mind to call them out for this initial rejection. Though I hope govt will not denounce this Bashir's post as unauthorized by then sha. |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by eyinjuege: 12:41pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
mekaboy: Exactly. The US and Europe need ventilators as a matter of urgency. But not Nigeria, for now. He offered, and his offer hasn't been taken up. But it is on record he offered, and it may still be taken up when needed. For now, it's not needed. Now, I know we have never had enough ventilators in the country, on a good day even without the virus, and that has to be resolved. But there is no urgency or rush in that. These are things we have to come to a round table and talk about improving our healthcare systems after the world is back to normal. |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by PVision2020(m): 12:41pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
Agboriotejoye:An automaker you say, not an assembly plant of car parts like Innoson who source for parts from China. And don't be deceived, thier's a huge difference in the manufacturing of a car AC/Vacum Cleaner and a Ventilator....a very big difference. HVAC experts working for the big automobiles can go back to their drawing boards to produce a Ventilator but it's not an easy task, that's why it's taking them more time to produce a "little Ventilator" than what it takes to manufacture a whole car. |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by igboamakaaa: 12:42pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
leokid866: If you want to debate, debate without insults. Bringing up insults in a debate only shows that you are not knowledgeable in the subject matter. First things first...let me clarify items from your earlier post. You said DANGOTE and not Tunde Folawiyo was the one that has been drilling oil for the past four years. Never did you mention Tunde's name in your earlier post. Secondly now Tunde's name has been brought forth, I guess you're talking about his company Yinka Folawiyo Petroleum Co Ltd which owns 60% stake in OML 113. The remaining 40% stake is owned by Vitol, First Hydrocarbon, Energy Equity Resources, panoro energy and Jacka resources. Dangote does NOT own a stake in any of these companies nor does he own a stake in any of Yinka's firms (Including ENYO retail). For you to come and say that they had a settlement of rights shows that you have little or no knowledge at all of how the oil industry operates. The OML field was licensed to Yinka Folawiyo...not Dangote group nor dansa etc. A settlement of rights (as you said) would have automatically awarded Tunde's rights to the Dangote group but that isn't the case here. Let's even assume there was a "settlement of rights" as you said, it is impossible because nothing of such was documented with naipems nor the NPDC. The documentation alone for the re-awarding of the oil block would take a lot of cumbersome legal processes which would take not less than a year to complete. (And you alleged that Dangote settled the "rights" immediately after the oil was found went out to start construction in his refinery. You CANNOT and NEVER have an agreement of this sort by mere word of mouth in the world of buisness, talkless of now doing so in the Oil and gas industry which takes pride in cumbersome documentations for even the smallest details. The whole argument you're bringing forth is typically Dead on Arrival. You seem to be a kid or maybe a university undergraduate who has been bamboozled with the little handouts he gets in school and assumes he is the "Master of knowledge" whom all others should get a little sap of "knowledge" from. My advise to you is to throw out every of iota pride in you and learn as much as you can from everybody. Intelligent people don't brag/ disturb others with the vast amount of knowledge they've acquired it's only fools that do that. I don't think you're a fool but I know that you ought to be more humble about the little you know...so that you can learn more from others. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Agboriotejoye(m): 12:44pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
bigtt76: He's not into ventilator production madam. He's taking a cue from what's going on in other countries where they've run into great needs for ventilators and have converted their automakers to ventilator manufacturer. He has never indicated interest in becoming a ventilator manufacturer. He's talking about an emergency situation not a business model. A proven automaker who's production line is being modified to produce does not need to produce a prototype since he's already proven in his field of expertise. 1 Like |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by Agboriotejoye(m): 12:47pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
PVision2020:Whether assembly or making he's sha into car manufacture. Of course there's a difference. But the principles are the same which is why their plants are being used. |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by eyinjuege: 12:49pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
Agboriotejoye: Let's hope the virus doesn't cause damage like its causing in the West. I'm really surprised it hasn't blown off seriously in Nigeria yet, so I hope the lockdown works. Airports/seaports should be closed till the world is back to normality. Nigeria needs to have a serious talk about its failing healthcare system and how to make it better. |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by CSTR2: 12:49pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
mekaboy:Soon Dyson would become a major exporter of ventilators, creating jobs and pumping billions in pounds to the British government. And Nigerian govt would be there wondering why the UK is rich. |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by CoolAmbience(m): 12:50pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
Fariq: You are very right. Innoson didn't have to wait for anyone to ask him to produce ventilators. Was he requested to commence vehicle manufacturing before he did? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by CoolAmbience(m): 12:54pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
NwaNimo1: I am from Anambra state. No one should give Innoson a dime for ventilators. If he is serious, by now he would have made and distributed prototypes and samples to relevant institutions to attract government's attention in view of imminent large orders and patronage. 1 Like |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by CSTR2: 12:55pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
Trump had to use the defence production act to force companies like Ford in America to produce health related materials. Here, we have a producer in Nigeria willing to try, but govt wants him to produce prototype. Una go wait tire. America is already hijacking all the ventilators in the world. Just pray we don't need them. |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by CSTR2: 12:58pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
CoolAmbience:Ventilators is not his core business. If he doesn't produce, he won't lose anything. This huge demand for ventilators is unsustainable. I won't touch it without govt patronage. There must be a contract to supply all the hospitals in Nigeria with at least 50 ventilators for me to even touch it. 1 Like |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by CoolAmbience(m): 12:59pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
hybrid77: I am trying to make sense of your post. If Innoson really means to help, by now we should have had tens of his ventilators being tested. He is an entrepreneur, he should know better. No responsible government would like to be seen as being at the mercy of anyone, firm or group. This is not to say that government cannot support critical private initiatives and ventures. 1 Like |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by CSTR2: 1:01pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
CoolAmbience:The same govt that have repeatedly said publicly that Nigeria is waiting on dangote refinery for improvement in that sector. You don't know what you are talking about. |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by maasoap(m): 1:02pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
PHIPEX: I'm sure that FG didn't give Dangote any money to build refinery. What kind of backing does Innoson want? N 4 billion naira? |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by emmysoftyou: 1:03pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
Yebosola:so that ur people will start probing them or witch hunting them.. The one onyema did is a lesson to other Igbo billionaire.. Nigeria as a country is something else..full of hatred.. Almost all the commenters are talking trash because an Igbo man want to help out. Since all this time till now, what has buhari done for the people of east and you want a free ventilators from an Igbo man who's ready to help Nigeria with little token from them.(4billion). Meanwhile, all their salaries as politician and law makers is more than that.. Useless government.. |
Re: Bashir Ahmad's Response To Innoson On Ventilator Offer by CSTR2: 1:05pm On Apr 04, 2020 |
If I am innoson, I would take the risk, produce, and charge the govt heavily per unit. No look face at all. Though govt may tax the living daylights out of him. |
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