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Agboriotejoye:
I've asked you were in the definition is R & D captured. Is it inputs or transformation or outputs cause those are the three production steps. As for your Ford and Hyundai R & D is under product development or planning not production. I still see you as a learner. You gave a definition and you can't model your argument into your definition. That's very low.

OK, goodluck to you separating R & D from production. Hopefully, you you will learn in the future cos now seems very unfeasible

Have fun, mate.

rusher14:
Where is his prototype?

All this grammar for nothing.

Firstly, these are not normal times, the need for a expedited solutions outweighs bureaucratic bottlenecks, especially as those solutions don’t threaten the life of users.

Secondly, innoson has produced thousands of cars and have thousands of customers, that’s amazing credibility he’s built for himself. Those cars have served equally as other renowned brands.

Thirdly, there’s no attempt by government to engage him because of political reasons.

Interestingly, the university claiming to build a prototype is a fully funded government university that doesn’t generate revenue. After the prototype, they will need an innoson type of factory to start producing the prototypes, or have to built a new factory, or as we usually do, take the prototype to China, build it there and import with forex. lol. mumu

I have been of the argument that leadership is the problem in Nigeria, but I’m beginning to see that fellowership is even worse.

A country that can’t trust its citizens, but is quick to lick the arses of a white skinned man will never succeed. It becomes even worse when it’s citizens support such stupidity due to emotional reasons and not facts. The government can’t produce, can’t support those who can because they’re not from their extraction.

PHIPEX:
Tell that to the FG that closed your border to grow Rice. Tell them that importers of Rice also create the job you listed. Guy go and get Economics 101 textbook. It's not sentiment.

Stop arguing vwith fools naa

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Agboriotejoye:
Or because I school you everytime?
It's ok. You can see how he's struggling too. His mental ability compares favourably with urs. You can have him.

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The only people you schooled are your fellow olodo people.. Abeg go away and dulling with your olodo education.

diplomat058:
OK, goodluck to you separating R & D from production. Hopefully, you you will learn in the future cos now seems very unfeasible

Have fun, mate.

Let me help you with some texts just for fun. It's obvious your little Economics 101 knowledge has gotten into your head and makes you feel like a professor. Such a shame.


https://smallbusiness.chron.com/function-descriptions-research-development-department-37150.html You can see here that it is said that R & D is totally different from sales, production and other divisions. Read

https://www.inc.com/encyclopedia/research-and-development.html

Don't mention it though. What are superiors for?

JAMO84:
Innoson does not produce anything. He only assemble China made car components.

He should produce one good ventilator to prove he can do it, the attention will follow!!!

I AM DONE TALKING

do not let your prejudice blind you,if you go to nnewi the headquarters of innoson and see the number of large,meduim and small scale enterprises flourishing there you will know that anything is possible there,never mind the fact Nigeria has 20 functional free trade zone,11 in Lagos,3 in FCT of all places and none for nnewi,it is obvious that some people don't like the rise of nnewi but what they fail to understand is that human hands cannot cover the moon.

idealogical:
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The only people you schooled are your fellow olodo people.. Abeg go away and dulling with your olodo education.

You sound pained. Easy bros. No time for tears here

sassysure:
U don't know what u are talking about at all.

Medical equipment are not essential goods or entertainment.

U don't go into manufacturing core medical equipment without help and partnership from the govt.

It's impossible.

You mean before a company commences production of medical equipment like stethoscopes, gurneys, ultrasound machines, defibrilators, life support machines etc, they must call on the government for partnership? They never ready.

Build your product, make sure it meets up with standard requirements (SON in this case), market your product and sell your market. Why should you be waiting for government approval if you have the funds and materials at your disposal? If you need government partnership, build a prototype first and present it for inspection. Why should I pay for what I've not seen and tested?

nonen:
Firstly, these are not normal times, the need for a expedited solutions outweighs bureaucratic bottlenecks, especially as those solutions don’t threaten the life of users.

Secondly, innoson has produced thousands of cars and have thousands of customers, that’s amazing credibility he’s built for himself. Those cars have served equally as other renowned brands.

Thirdly, there’s no attempt by government to engage him because of political reasons.

Interestingly, the university claiming to build a prototype is a fully funded government university that doesn’t generate revenue. After the prototype, they will need an innoson type of factory to start producing the prototypes, or have to built a new factory, or as we usually do, take the prototype to China, build it there and import with forex. lol. mumu

I have been of the argument that leadership is the problem in Nigeria, but I’m beginning to see that fellowership is even worse.

A country that can’t trust its citizens, but is quick to lick the arses of a white skinned man will never succeed. It becomes even worse when it’s citizens support such stupidity due to emotional reasons and not facts. The government can’t produce, can’t support those who can because they’re not from their extraction.

Lifebank, a health startup that finds and delivers blood to patients has turned its attention to seeking critical medical equipment for Covid-19 treatment and has created a national register to track hospitals with working ventilators and respirators. Hotel booking platform Hotels.ng has partnered with hotels to create isolation centers across Nigeria, an added buffer for the country’s limited quarantine facilities.

For its part, Jumia, the pan-African e-commerce giant, has donated face masks to Nigeria’s health ministry and has replicated the gesture in Kenya, Ivory Coast, Uganda and Morocco. Jumia has also offered its logistics network to distribute health products for local authorities.

Some of the support has come in form of targeted funding too. One year-old genomics research startup 54gene has launched a $500,000 fund to boost local testing capacity for coronavirus. It’s a significant move especially given Nigeria’s alarmingly low number of tests: South Africa has tested 100 times more people than Nigeria. Ventures Platform, a local VC firm, has also partnered with the Lagos science and research agency to find and fund innovative tech-based solutions that tackle coronavirus-related issues.

https://qz.com/africa/1828438/coronavirus-nigerian-tech-startups-step-up-to-assist-government/

You mean thousands of governments in Nigeria because his major and only customers are state governments and the FG.


It is not by force for Innoson to make respirators, he's free to continue assembling his cars and selling to the government like he's been doing instead of marketing and selling to the larger consumer market.

Businesses with conscience and a sense of social responsibilities are already spending their own money to order ventilators from China, they are not waiting or begging for anything before doing their patriotic best to help Nigeria.

He can make the respirators and give it to the FG free of charge as part of his own social responsibility or keep quiet and stop the hostage-taking noise about respirators, it is not by force.

oyatz:
Dangote transited from importation of cement to manufacturing of cement in 2003 with his acquisition of Benue Cement Company.

Around 2007, the newly built Obajana cement company merged with BCC to form Dangote Cement Company.

The company diversified into Oil refinery (which is still under construction) much more later.




#Personslly, i don't know why many young Igbos online become emotional when discussing about Innoson especially with the ways they always portray him as a persecuted business man and the unnecessary ways they compare him with Dangote.

Always trafficking in emotion and tribalism to score points. Dangote was importing cement and rebagging b4 he acquired govt owned cement company. They had no cement manufacturing exprience unlike Lafarge.
They’re building refinery without prior refining exprience... so why other companies do same?
You’re cheering for a paid govt agent who has never started a pure water company in his life.
Ford makes cars in the US, but it has now been given $1bn contract to PPE for medical professionals fighting COVID-19...

Agboriotejoye:
You sound pained. Easy bros. No time for tears here

I see pain and frustration written all over you from a million miles away. It's not by force, abeg face your olodo friends and customers, they need your olodo education..

CSTR2:
If I am innoson, I would take the risk, produce, and charge the govt heavily per unit.

No look face at all.

Though govt may tax the living daylights out of him.

Igbo business ingenuity has outgrown the normal sensitivity of Nigerian political space which breeds mediocrity. If you read in between the lines you I'll know the point that barshir or whatever is making. They never wanted to buy any ventilators but innoson indicted the government by making a declaration that they can produce ventilators, which also implies that Nigerians need ventilators at this time but the government. is not providing them.



I would have blamed innoson for acting "irresponsibly" by not contacting the government privately. But a promising brand should grow by boosting its corporate image through trust and transparency as done elsewhere. If innoson ever ventures into backdoor negotiations like Dangote, the Fulani cabal can easily set him up and achieve their longstanding target of destroying his business.

Many jealous folks from some sections of the country see it as STH that enriches an Igboman called innoson but God forbid should you or any of your relations get sick and can't get a ventilator in a hospital then you'll know you are neither fooling innoson nor FG but yourself.

In Nigeria tribalism is the opium of the masses.

Coronavirus: Five-year-old donates N950 savings towards medical supplies


A five-year-old schoolgirl has donated her savings to support the battle against the coronavirus pandemic in Ogun State.

Kemi Ogunleye, a Basic-1 pupil, made the donation of N950 following government’s appeal for support to get medical supplies for coronavirus patients in the state, according to her father Olalekan.

“My daughter said she wants to join the rest of the world to fight the COVID-19 pandemic,” Mr Ogunleye told PREMIUM TIMES on Saturday. “So that they can return to school.”

Mr Ogunleye, a chemical engineer and data analyst based in Abeokuta, said his daughter operates a piggybank account from where she withdrew N1,000 to donate. The amount was reduced to N950 after transactions charges were deducted.

Schools have been shut across Nigeria for more than two weeks amidst the rush to prevent the virus from spreading. Other social and economic activities have also been disrupted.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/coronavirus/385942-coronavirus-five-year-old-donates-n950-savings-towards-medical-supplies.html

Ordinary 5 years old, young enough to be Innoson's granddaughter donated her savings and widows might to do her patriotic best to help the country, but this old man can not do anything to help his country without demmanding money or making a profit.

idealogical:
You mean thousands of governments in Nigeria because his major and only customers are state governments and the FG.


It is not by force for Innoson to make respirators, he's free to continue assembling his cars and selling to the government like he's been doing instead of marketing and selling to the larger consumer market.

Businesses with conscience and a sense of social responsibilities are already spending their own money to order ventilators from China, they are not waiting or begging for anything before doing their patriotic best to help Nigeria.

He can make the respirators and give it to the FG free of charge as part of his own social responsibility or keep quiet and stop the hostage-taking noise about respirators, it is not by force.

You have come again you this boy with ur lies. Kindly mention the businesses that have ordered for ventilators from China. People like you that can't even make the soap they use to bath are castigating innoson from the comfort of your bedroom. Very rich I say. If 4bn is too much for you to modify Innoson's production plant, I guess begging is cheaper though. Keep at it and let me know when Elon's BIPAP respirators arrive

The same Jumia you highlighted got locked up by the anti-business govt for operating during lockdown while other countries are encouraging their online retail businesses to employ more so online delivery can be used to curtail movements.

idealogical:
Ordinary 5 years old, young enough to be Innoson's granddaughter donated her savings and widows might to do her patriotic best to help the country, but this old man can not do anything to help his country without demmanding money or making a profit.

What have you donated apart from being an online nuisance? You can judge others but not yourself. Hypocrite

PHIPEX:
Innoson in a mess? You must be a comedian. Nigeria is the one in a mess not a company still moving on with its regular business. I know many of you think you are doing him but you are only shooting yourself in the foot. Keep your money, pray you dont realise how useless the money is in the face of escalated medical crises.

Yes!! He is in a mess!!
His loan rating by the bureau is in the minus, making it difficult to approach banks in Nigeria for funding. How much is 4b that Nigeria banks can’t give him if he is so sure of his business plan for the ventilators that he will resort to govt funding

You think everybody is interested in your bigotry nonsense ?

rusher14:
Stop the misinformation.

I don't know what you guys gain from all these lies.

Dangote obtained a 4.25 billion dollar loan from a consortium of banks in 2013.

They include Standard Chartered and FirstRand Bank and a plethora of Nigerian banks such as GTB.

The only thing Dangote sought were waivers, and discounts on dollar purchases.

So you think dangote carried himself to standard chartered bank abi? A simple search on Google wil help you out bro, all these big loans at procured through the government

Agboriotejoye:
Let me help you with some texts just for fun. It's obvious your little Economics 101 knowledge has gotten into your head and makes you feel like a professor. Such a shame.


https://smallbusiness.chron.com/function-descriptions-research-development-department-37150.html You can see here that it is said that R & D is totally different from sales, production and other divisions. Read

https://www.inc.com/encyclopedia/research-and-development.html

Don't mention it though. What are superiors for?

Lol,
your links have no efficacy. Just google R & D and see even Wikipedia telling you that its the first stage of the production process. Like I said hopefully, you will humble yourself and learn in the nearest future.

ProWalker:
Yes!! He is in a mess!!
His loan rating by the bureau is in the minus, making it difficult to approach banks in Nigeria for funding. How much is 4b that Nigeria banks can’t give him if he is so sure of his business plan for the ventilators that he will resort to govt funding

You think everybody is interested in your bigotry nonsense ?

You talk what you don't know. Which bureau? CRC, CRS or First Central? Don't come here to throw lies around. Which other bank is he owing? Have you seen his name in any of the non-performing loans being published by AMCON?

Noneroone:
Igbo business ingenuity has outgrown the normal sensitivity of Nigerian political space which breeds mediocrity. If you read in between the lines you I'll know the point that barshir or whatever is making. They never wanted to buy any ventilators but innoson indicted the government by making a declaration that the can produce ventilators, which also implies that Nigerians need ventilators at this time but the govt. is not providing them.

I would have blamed innoson for acting "irresponsibly" by not contacting the government privately. But a promising brand should grow by boosting its corporate image through trust and transparency as done elsewhere. If innoson ever venture into backdoor negotiations like Dangote, the Fulani cabal can easily set him up and achieve their longstanding target of destroying his business.

Outgrown what?

Mediocrity is when a decades-old business can not come up with ordinary N4 billion to make common respirators?

Mediocrity is begging for money and Innoson's inability to rise up and perform your patriotic duty and or participate in the corporate social responsibility acts by patriotic and well-meaning Nigerians.

Xandelle:
How many ventilators has Nigerian hospitals gotten since then? Or all those accidents you mentioned haven't been happening? This pandemic is the only thing that will drive the massive purchase of these ventilators in Nigeria, and if you aren't being blinded by whatever, you too will see it

If they purchase, will they inform you? A lot of big private hospitals like St. Nicholas, EKO hospitals and the likes are very well equipped and patients from other African countries are flown there for treatment. Nothing stops such hospitals from purchasing ventilators from him if they're cheaper and up to standard, even hospitals in neighbouring countries can purchase. Waiting on government partnership over something you want to sell and make money off is a waste of your time

diplomat058:
Lol,
your links have no efficacy. Just google R & D and see even Wikipedia telling you that its the first stage of the production process. Like I said hopefully, you will humble yourself and learn in the nearest future.

Is it like you have a problem with English? What have I been telling you since. I said it's part of production process but not part of production. Your problem is you don't know what production process is? What else are you going to say? That feedback and corrections is also part of production? Dude give it a rest already.

idealogical:
Outgrown what?

Mediocrity is when a decades-old business can not come up with ordinary N4 billion to make common respirators?

Mediocrity is begging for money and Innoson's inability to rise up and perform your patriotic duty and or participate in the corporate social responsibility acts by patriotic and well-meaning Nigerians.

Use your brain na. If you say mediocrity is begging for money and in another breath support your country's government begging a private citizen of another country, does it not show you're a confused person?

How much do you even have in your account that you're calling 4bn ordinary. Have you seen 4million before?

Agboriotejoye:
What have you donated apart from being an online nuisance? You can judge others but not yourself. Hypocrite

But you are sitting here judging me? Double hypocrite.

I'm not the one demanding money from the government because I'm too broke to make anything on my own or without demanding money from the government, no wonder he can not sell cars to ordinary Nigerians but only to the government.

sassysure:
I repeat, u don't produce radioactive material like ventilators without your govt backing.

Innoson can't manufacture without NNRA licence.
(Its like setting up a filling station. U must get nnpc licence before u embark on that).Do you know how nnra works or issues licence to manufactures? That is the backing innoson is asking for. He is expressly asking govt to grant him the licence espresso to dive into manufacturing ventilators without the usual bottleneck that takes time. Also if he gets NNRA licence, he also need govt backing that they should be used in our hospitals which govt has more than 90% ownership of as far as big hospitals are concerned.

NNRA belongs to Nigerian govt. Unless they give u licence to operate, u can never ever venture into sensitive production like that.
By the way, NNRA is Nigeria Nuclear Regulatory Authority.
Kind of elite paraststal. The parent body is IAEA in Vienna.

Then let Innoson make the right registration and application to produce ventilators, via the appropriate channels and not on social media.
Such discussions or registrations are never made on social media.
I don't know what exactly you expect from the Federal government tbh.
Do you want them to boycott their normal procedure because Innoson says so, or what exactly is the problem here?
How has the government been unsupportive towards him?
What bottlenecks has he experienced so far in setting up his ventilator manufacturing plant?
Some people have said the govt has refused to give him 4billion starter money, but the government is not obliged to do so, and rightly so.
You have said its because they've refused to grant him a NNRA licence, but has he even applied for one? Since all transactions are done on social media now, can he ever so kindly show us his application?, and the rejection letter that has been sent to him from the government.

Agboriotejoye:
Is it like you have a problem with English? What have I been telling you since. I said it's part of production process but not part of production. Your problem is you don't know what production process is? What else are you going to say? That feedback and corrections is also part of production? Dude give it a rest already.

Lol. You are the one modifying the garbage to give a semblance of logicality. How would you say production is different from production process?

A process is a compendium of acts, activities and functions combined to produce a targets. So, going by your uninformed statement, the Project initiation which is the first process of Project Management is not part of Project Management. Guy, a process is an embodiment, as in, a totality of all the activities that relate to production, from planning (design) to distribution. And everyone knows Customer feedbacks are anchored by PRs, Lol.

Just stop forcing it

idealogical:
Outgrown what?

Mediocrity is when a decades-old business can not come up with ordinary N4 billion to make common respirators?

Mediocrity is begging for money and Innoson's inability to rise up and perform your patriotic duty and or participate in the corporate social responsibility acts by patriotic and well-meaning Nigerians.

But your govt is begging for common respirator online? BTW Innoson never begged for money, he asked for orders to save the lives of people like you.

Noneroone:
Igbo business ingenuity has outgrown the normal sensitivity of Nigerian political space which breeds mediocrity. If you read in between the lines you I'll know the point that barshir or whatever is making. They never wanted to buy any ventilators but innoson indicted the government by making a declaration that they can produce ventilators, which also implies that Nigerians need ventilators at this time but the government. is not providing them.



I would have blamed innoson for acting "irresponsibly" by not contacting the government privately. But a promising brand should grow by boosting its corporate image through trust and transparency as done elsewhere. If innoson ever ventures into backdoor negotiations like Dangote, the Fulani cabal can easily set him up and achieve their longstanding target of destroying his business.

Many jealous folks from some sections of the country see it as STH that enriches an Igboman called innoson but God forbid should you or any of your relations get sick and can't get a ventilator in a hospital then you'll know you are neither fooling innoson nor FG but yourself.

In Nigeria tribalism is the opium of the masses.

Who does business with governments of nations on social media?
No reliable business would ever do such, and that's not because they're backdoor business deals.
Why are people thinking this is a joke?
If that's how Innoson does his own multimillion dollar business deals, then he can never be taken seriously.
Infact, I'm beginning to see a pattern of trying to evoke public sentiments into arm twisting potential business deals/partners and even previous business deals.

diplomat058:
Lol. You are the one modifying the garbage to give a semblance of logicality. How would you say production is different from production process?

A process is a compendium of acts, activities and functions combined to produce a targets. So, going by your uninformed statement, the Project initiation which is the first process of Project Management is not part of Project Management. Guy, a process is an embodiment, as in, a totality of all the activities that relate to production, from planning (design) to distribution. And everyone knows Customer feedbacks are anchored by PRs, Lol.

Just stop forcing it

Economics 101 at play again. It's alright. You're in the wrong place now. By the time you get o 301, the picture will become clearer to you. But even your Wikipedia page if you read it well should enlighten you. But it might be too complex for you to understand. It's alright. You'll get there.

idealogical:
But you are sitting here judging me? Double hypocrite.

I'm not the one demanding money from the government because I'm too broke to make anything on my own or without demanding money from the government, no wonder he can not sell cars to ordinary Nigerians but only to the government.

I guess BBNaija is govt too abi.

eyinjuege:
Then let Innoson make the right registration and application to produce ventilators, via the appropriate channels and not on social media.
Such discussions or registrations are never made on social media.
I don't know what exactly you expect from the Federal government tbh.
Do you want them to boycott their normal procedure because Innoson says so, or what exactly is the problem here?
How has the government been unsupportive towards him?
What bottlenecks has he experienced so far in setting up his ventilator manufacturing plant?
Some people have said the govt has refused to give him 4billion starter money, but the government is not obliged to do so, and rightly so.
You have said its because they've refused to grant him a NNRA licence, but has he even applied for one? Since all transactions are done on social media now, can he ever so kindly show us his application?, and the rejection letter that has been sent to him from the government.

You are maki g it sound like Innoson wants to go into the business of ventilators production so should do all the work but no.

Your govt is in need and in an emergency, has the money but does not know where to buy. A local producers indicates they have they capacity to solve govt's problem if the govt shows serious interest. Is it not in the govt's best interest to find a way to expedite the process?