Uncle empire is very curious and I like that . If you like the Bible just read all through and you will be amazed

Let me point out some point to you about Jesus existence , if you look at buhari's son you will see resemblance of buhari . The disciples asked ( Jesus , how do we see the FATHER and he told them those who has seen me have seen my FATHER ) .. that's why JESUS Christ is called LORD .... And only those who believe in him will not perish But have everlasting life... Said by God himself ... After giving out he's son to die for the earth ... He wasn't a prophet but the son of the most high God..
And if you don't start your prayers calling his NAME JESUS ( you are simply on the wrong part) ..

Uncle empire the same disciples after they have seen what Jesus can do , they told him they now believe he knew all THINGS from the beginning to the End ... JESUS in the other hand has the right to correct them at the spot but instead he said ( DO YOU NOW BELIEVE ) ... What does that tell you ....




See eeeh don't come here and start paraphrasing , read all through nobody will tell you before you run 4/40

Me no sabi preach to someone because it's not by force .
Those who God want to change will change ..

Since you know who to read and carry out research to and read THE PEOPLE VS MOHAMMED..

One of the page talk about FLYING DONKEY ( oooh yes and it was in the Quran ) good luck in your findings ...

Edyice:
Uncle empire is very curious and I like that . If you like the Bible just read all through and you will be amazed

you don't know who you are dealing with. We are Muslim scholars of the Bible. We already read it from cover to cover.

Let me point out some point to you about Jesus existence , if you look at buhari's son you will see resemblance of buhari . The disciples asked ( Jesus , how do we see the FATHER and he told them those who has seen me have seen my FATHER ) .. that's why JESUS Christ is called LORD .... And only those who believe in him will not perish But have everlasting life... Said by God himself ... After giving out he's son to die for the earth ... He wasn't a prophet but the son of the most high God..
And if you don't start your prayers calling his NAME JESUS ( you are simply on the wrong part) ..

Bukhari and his son are 2(two) different people. Buhari is superior to his son. You are even deep in your own confusion.

Uncle empire the same disciples after they have seen what Jesus can do , they told him they now believe he knew all THINGS from the beginning to the End ... JESUS in the other hand has the right to correct them at the spot but instead he said ( DO YOU NOW BELIEVE ) ... What does that tell you ...

well, Jesus already clarified in Matthew 24:36 that he doesn't know anything.


But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Since you know who to read and carry out research to and read THE PEOPLE VS MOHAMMED..

we have already read this and dealt with this on this thread 5 years ago. Nothing is new to me anymore.
https://www.nairaland.com/3239137/lets-read-book-people-vs

One of the page talk about FLYING DONKEY ( oooh yes and it was in the Quran ) good luck in your findings ...

could you provide the Qur'an verse?. I want to see.

Uncle Empiree the beginning of your prayer says ( Allah show me / us the way ... ) it means Allah don't know the way When the JESUS clearly says am I the way , the truth and LIFE..... No man go to God but through me...
( Why not do a research on the Quran instead - you been a Muslim scholar where Mohammed was born from a bright light inside a woman private part ) .. anyways if you choose not to do research on this , then I give up ... But I must tell your this ( even JESUS home town most of the people there don't believe in him .. that's why MANY ARE CALLED BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN)

Now Muhammad RIDE to heaven on a flying donkey ( buraq ) to meet God .. .. no Man can see God in human flesh not to talk of riding flying creature that can only be done by SUPERMAN ( my belly want bursts) Human being that went to space go with garget that can cover their body because they are human TOO .. you can't survive in space with humans flesh not even JESUS could have survived it .. .. but Mohammed did and he came back to earth .. NOTHING HAPPEN TO HIM ..(Chaiii .... In PATIENCE JONATHAN'S VOICE . ) Someone even claim the DONKEY IS STILL IN SPACE ... ABEG! ABEG!! ABEG !!!




Hopefully you must have done your scholar on (Mount of Transfiguration) well if you don't know ... Let me help you a little , you will have to do the rest since you are a Christian scholar or Muslim scholar or whatever ( angels came down to earth to meet with Jesus Christ but before he meet with them he has to transform meaning he did meet with them but not in human flesh but he revealed his physical manifestation of himself...

You believing that Jesus didn't not exist didn't make him go AWAY, it merely proves that no amount of evidence WILL CONVINCE YOU ..

Even the DEVIL believe that JESUS exist and not only that but he was also the SON OF GOD ... that's why he wanted him dead ... And his death has brought peace upon the land ...

Edyice:
Uncle Empiree the beginning of your prayer says ( Allah show me / us the way ... ) it means Allah don't know the way When the JESUS clearly says am I the way , the truth and LIFE..... No man go to God but through me...

But Jesus who supposedly the Way is also asking for his daily bread and forgiveness. This is your christian prayer


Our Father, which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, As it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses , As we forgive them that trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil.For thine is the kingdom, The power, and the glory, For ever and ever. Amen.

Empiree:
But Jesus who supposedly the Way is also asking for his daily bread and forgiveness. This is your christian prayer


Our Father, which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name. Thy Kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, As it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses , As we forgive them that trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil.For thine is the kingdom, The power, and the glory, For ever and ever. Amen.

This guy Na funny person

See eeeh that's why I said your should read the Bible

If you read the verses before this you will understand better what Jesus was teaching. He was simply saying ( THIS IS HOW TO PRAY ). Uncle empiree ( if you say all this as a New believer , you will be at peace)

JESUS was only teaching us how to pray on a daily basis ..

Daily Bread and forgive us from those who trespassers

What is the meaning of trespass ( look your dictionary me I can't tell you that )


As we forgive those who trespasses against us ...



Lead us no into temptation and deliver us from evil



Those are simple terms in English language ...

JESUS is only teaching us how to pray and survive daily treat from evil doers and how to pray for guardians...


Uncle empiree Any other things .....

I have done my research
My brother has done his research

Oyibo Christians has done there research

Even when Jesus Christ come to earth he did not fly to heaven in human flesh and come back Alive .. he knows he can't do it .. he has to transform to been HOLY upon HOLY to talk to the angles that came to the earth when he went to pray in the mountain with two of his disciples ...

In a nutshell , am saying nobody see God or the angles eye balls to eye ball you will die instantly .....--- exodus 33:20

But Mohammed didn't only see God but he came back LIVING because he was SUPERMAN or CAPTAIN MARVEL .(. yessss ALIVE ) that not funny at all

Uncle empiree I know you are educated to understand this and well educated to understand simply word ..




I was suppose to say , try and save other from destruction and wrong path to hell but no be me go tell you


Going to heaven is individual race .... Yessss you heard me right ( NA INDIVIDUAL RACE )


I don't really advice people about knowing the truth ( I just saw your write up and I decided to chip in some small truth ). ..... Yesssss Cheers

If you really want more researchers or you want to do research


ABEG listen to JUSTIN PETERS and John Mac Arthur

Nobody will tell you when you will start to teach your people the word of God in your prayer section ...

Empiree:


Bro, your Bible messed up. There is no way you kiriyo can get things right for as long as your Bible remains on the surface of the earth bcus it is the genesis your confusions.

Empiree, I can see that you're not man enough to take up my challenge.

Readers of these posts will see that for themselves.

You're ATTEMPTING to PROJECT your INSECURITY in your religion - Islam - on Christianity.  It doesn't work.

It is not the Bible that is messed up. It can NEVER be messed up.

It is the Koran that is in a totally bad shape.

Take this for example:
You believe that the Koran contain the DIRECT words of Allah. So, who is Allah worshipping in chapter 1 verse 5?
Allah says:
"It is You we worship and You we ask for help".

NOW, don't run away or try to deflect the question by saying that you answered it 5 years ago. Give us your answer here. If you are HONEST and SINCERE tell us how this singular verse does not show that the Koran is messed up.

sagenaija:

Empiree, I can see that you're not man enough to take up my challenge.

Readers of these posts will see that for themselves.

You're ATTEMPTING to PROJECT your INSECURITY in your religion - Islam - on Christianity.  It doesn't work.

It is not the Bible that is messed up. It can NEVER be messed up.

It is the Koran that is in a totally bad shape.

Take this for example:
You believe that the Koran contain the DIRECT words of Allah. So, who is Allah worshipping in chapter 1 verse 5?
Allah says:
"It is You we worship and You we ask for help".

NOW, don't run away or try to deflect the question by saying that you answered it 5 years ago. Give us your answer here. If you are HONEST and SINCERE tell us how this singular verse does not show that the Koran is messed up.

Uncle is on a research project
He can't come now


I hope God will help him save others , though it wont be easy because when other Muslims sees that he has change ... We all knows what happened to save Muslims that were caught .... But never forget their is only one person that can save him.....

Edyice:




This guy Na funny person

See eeeh that's why I said your should read the Bible

If you read the verses before this you will understand better what Jesus was teaching. He was simply saying ( THIS IS HOW TO PRAY ). Uncle empiree ( if you say all this as a New believer , you will be at peace)

JESUS was only teaching us how to pray on a daily basis ..

Daily Bread and forgive us from those who trespassers

What is the meaning of trespass ( look your dictionary me I can't tell you that )


As we forgive those who trespasses against us ...



Lead us no into temptation and deliver us from evil



Those are simple terms in English language ...

JESUS is only teaching us how to pray and survive daily treat from evil doers and how to pray for guardians...


Uncle empiree Any other things .....

Oh I see. You could open your mouth to say "Jesus was teaching how to pray" but you didnt think before you criticize open chapter of Quran, abi?. Sura Fathia also teaches how to pray.

Edyice:
I have done my research
My brother has done his research

Oyibo Christians has done there research

Even when Jesus Christ come to earth he did not fly to heaven in human flesh and come back Alive .. he knows he can't do it .. he has to transform to been HOLY upon HOLY to talk to the angles that came to the earth when he went to pray in the mountain with two of his disciples ...

In a nutshell , am saying nobody see God or the angles eye balls to eye ball you will die instantly .....--- exodus 33:20

It is sure you dont know your Bible. Jacob seen God face to face and his life was spared. Read Genesis 32:30


"So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared."

YourBible is your tsunami

But Mohammed didn't only see God but he came back LIVING because he was SUPERMAN or CAPTAIN MARVEL .(. yessss ALIVE ) that not funny at all

You should rather worry about your Biblical contradictions. Here is another one in the Book of Amos 9:1

I saw the Lord standing by the altar, and he said: "Strike the tops of the pillars so that the thresholds shake. Bring them down on the heads of all the people; those who are left I will kill with the sword. Not one will get away, none will escape.

Edyice:




This guy Na funny person

See eeeh that's why I said your should read the Bible

If you read the verses before this you will understand better what Jesus was teaching. He was simply saying ( THIS IS HOW TO PRAY ). Uncle empiree ( if you say all this as a New believer , you will be at peace)

JESUS was only teaching us how to pray on a daily basis ..

Daily Bread and forgive us from those who trespassers

What is the meaning of trespass ( look your dictionary me I can't tell you that )


As we forgive those who trespasses against us ...



Lead us no into temptation and deliver us from evil



Those are simple terms in English language ...

JESUS is only teaching us how to pray and survive daily treat from evil doers and how to pray for guardians...


Uncle empiree Any other things .....

THE GUY IS CONFUSED ...HE TALKS AND POST GIBBERISH THINGS....CAN YOU

IMAGINE SAYING JESUS WAS ASKING FOR HIS OWN FORGIVENESS?

Empiree:

Sura Fathia also teaches how to pray.

Empiree, how did you come to that conclusion?

sagenaija:

Empiree, I can see that you're not man enough to take up my challenge.

Readers of these posts will see that for themselves.

You're ATTEMPTING to PROJECT your INSECURITY in your religion - Islam - on Christianity.  It doesn't work.

It is not the Bible that is messed up. It can NEVER be messed up.

It is the Koran that is in a totally bad shape.

Take this for example:
You believe that the Koran contain the DIRECT words of Allah. So, who is Allah worshipping in chapter 1 verse 5?
Allah says:
"It is You we worship and You we ask for help".

NOW, don't run away or try to deflect the question by saying that you answered it 5 years ago. Give us your answer here. If you are HONEST and SINCERE tell us how this singular verse does not show that the Koran is messed up.

Yes, this is old and age long criticism but i dont mind saying one or two things here to please you. Your problem is linguistic analysis of the use of Arabic language and the tone of the sura Fatiha. Although, if i reply you with "Allah is teaching the prophet how tp supplicate", this is enough answer but I should provide a little more details. If this phrase is your problem, "It is You we worship and You we ask for help" then you have more of it to worry about.



In The Name of Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful

The Holy phrase 'In The Name of Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful' / bism-il-lah-ir-rahman-ir-rahim / is, in fact, mentioned both at the onset of the Qur'an and at the beginning of every Surah, except Surah 9, (Surah Taubah -Repentance). And, since the purpose of Allah's Word, i.e. the whole Qur'an, is to guide people; as Surah Al-Maidah, No. 5, verses 15-16 say:


"...Indeed, there has come to you a light and a clear Book from Allah", "With it Allah guideth him who follows His pleasure to the ways of peace and safety..."; therefore, this guidance, being a grant and a fundamental principle, begins with Allah's Holy Name. This Surah, among all Suras of the Qur'an: has an extraordinary; radiance which originates from the following merits:


1. The Tone of the Surah

This Surah, The Opening, in comparison with other Suras of the Qur'an regarding its tone and melody, has a particular style which is, clearly different and extraordinary. The other Suras contain instructions from Allah, Who gives commands and admonishments to His servants, but, in this Surah, His words are uttered on behalf of the servants. In other words, in this Surah, Allah has taught His servants how to supplicate and speak to Him, simply and without a mediator.


2. Al-Fatihah, the Basis of the Qur'an

It is narrated that the holy Prophet (S) has said:

"By the One, in Whose hand is my soul, Allah has not sent down a similar Surah to this Surah (Al-Fatihah), neither in the Turah, nor in the Gospel, nor in the Psalms, nor even in the Qur'an and it is Umm-ul-Kitab"; 1 which means that it is the basis and origin of all excellence.

note: dont misunderstand "Gospel" mentioned this prophetic saying with Gospel or Bible you have today. Gospel is mentioned the in the hadith for folks like you to understand it is talking about revelation to Jesus. Bible/gospel has nothing to do with Jesus.



3. Al-Fatihah, Magnificent Honour of the Prophet (SAW)

Surah Al-Fatihah, more so than the other Suras in the Holy Qur'an, was revealed to the holy Prophet (S) as a great bounty. It stands on a par with the whole Qur'an. The seven verses in the Surah sum up the whole Qur'an:

"And We have bestowed upon thee the Seven Oft-repeated (verses) and the Grand Qur'an",. Sura Fatiha contains 7 verses.

This meaning is also referred to in a narration from Amir-ul-Mu'mineen Ali (as) quoting the Prophet's (S) tradition who said:

"Verily, Allah, the Exalted, has bestowed (His) favours on me particularly for 'The Opening' (Al- Fatihah) and has positioned it on a par with the whole Grand Qur'an, and surely Fatihat.-ul-Kitab (the Opening of the Qur'an) is the dearest (item) in the treasures of the 'Arsh, (Throne of Heaven)".

There are more details but i think this should be enough for now. But let me add this really quickly. Quran is word for word , word of Allah. You get to read in the Quran, 'say', 'say'. That's exactly what Surah Fatiha is about. For instance, Sura 112 begins with "Say, “He is God, the One. God, the Absolute. He begets not, nor was He begotten. et'al

Anymore question?

Corrections:



THE GUY IS CONFUSED ...HE TALKS AND POST GIBBERISH THINGS....CAN YOU

IMAGINE SAYING JESUS WAS ASKING FOR HIS OWN FORGIVENESS?

All you have to do is refute my claim. You guys have no knowledge of the bible, at all.

( it is sure you dont know your Bible. Jacob seen God face to face and his life was spared. Read Genesis 32:30 )

Empiree is right studying the word of God
I pray God use you or chose you as one his evangelist , you will go places , save lives and teach the truth....


Now to share more light on that because it very broad

{God can do all he want to do -- exodus 4:11 and besides he Jacob was chosen for his work , that why he changed his name to ISRAEL . For as a prince he have the power of God and men ..... Genesis 33: 28



And for the record God came to him in human flesh.. yes man ... Genesis 33: 24
not as God the MOST HIGH .. for the most high commet with bright light .....


Uncle empiree... Any other thing

Edyice:
( it is sure you dont know your Bible. Jacob seen God face to face and his life was spared. Read Genesis 32:30 )

Empiree is right studying the word of God
I pray God use you or chose you as one his evangelist , you will go places , save lives and teach the truth....


Now to share more light on that because it very broad

{God can do all he want to do -- exodus 4:11 and besides he Jacob was chosen for his work , that why he changed his name to ISRAEL . For as a prince he have the power of God and men ..... Genesis 33: 28



And for the record God came to him in human flesh.. yes man ... Genesis 33: 24
not as God the MOST HIGH .. for the most high commet with bright light .....


Uncle empiree... Any other thing

What is all the jagbajagba you just said?. You obviously cant not refute this obvious contradictions in your bible. Another bible verse reiterated in John 5:37

And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form,


Where is your evidence that chosen person like Jacob can see God?. Being chosen by God is one thing. Seeing God is another entirely. Jesus himself did not see God. Moses was chosen by God yet he did not see God. God emphatically said no one can see him Exodus 33:20

But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."


See highlighted is emphatic. It is called fil mudhari "continuous tense". W=So when Moses tried to see God he collapsed. Was Moses not chosen?

Uncle empiree I now see that you will never give up

Me I give up on you

Serve your God and I will serve mine but remember your Quran that talk about the creation of human and still advice you people to take lives ....

It talk about FLYING DONKEY that carry Mohammed to and back ....

Anyways just enjoy sha .... Am out with my Bible..

[According to your statement you are not real muslim before!!!! quote author=Corrections post=87820515]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uttd_TdTcN0


THESE ARE HIS WORDS

Good morning muslims of the world and everybody that lives in this planet earth. My name is Muhammadu J.adu Bello. I am the first born of Shehu Ibrahima bello Adua ( the chief Imam of Aduani Central mosque .. number 51 Osedi road Kano.) I am a fulani by tribe my mother is a yoruba from Osogbo. I am the acting Chief Imam of Adua central mosque by grace of allah. I will become the next chief imam of the central mosque.


This is my encounter and testimony I had with the lord Jesus Christ. I never believed Jesus or Christian , infact I hate chriastians because I have been thought from childhood that the Christians changed the gospel of Jesus Christ. If they had left it the way it was everybody would had been a muslim so for this reason I hate Christians.I dont kill them but I have nothing to do with them. I used to buy Bibles from gates confess before man of God before tearing the Bible.

Until recently, precisely on monday about 3:45am when I had an encounter with the lord jesus Christ.That was 23rd of the Islamic calender (25) of Ramadan April 2019. I was praying leading the people in the mosque , my uncle was present with 2 elders of the mosque with 7other members of the mosque located at Jumani Central mosque in Makurdi number 51 on the road leading to market. It is the biggest Mosque there just opposite Methodist.I was reading the first chapter of the Quran called "becuase it summarizes the whole 6620 verses in the quran". When I got to verse 4 of the quran ( man reciting it in Arabic )allof a sudden a light from nowhere appeared very brightly that it filled the whole mosque. I have never seen such light because its brighter than the Sun.

The bright light was not bringing heat but rather cold because I could feel it on my feet even though the mosque was not equipped with aircondition and the few fans present were not even put on. Right in the brightness of the light a voice of a man spokeout to me. The voice spoke to me in Arabic saying " I should comeout of them. " The voice told me that I should come out of Islamic religion but I replied the voice by asking who he was? I also told the voice that Islam is the right religion. The voice replied that Islam is not the right religion and his mission is to bring me to the right part. He said he is the truth and light. I quickly replied that its not possible because the voice is claiming to be anobi Isa.

I said if truely you are Jesus , Jesus cannot be the way , the truth and light instead Muhammed is the way. The voice said that is a lie that i should listen to him that time has come he wants to safe me and use me as a platform of glory to deliver my muslim brothers from darkness of Islam to the light of the gospel. I replied the voice saying its a lie and that if truely the voice is Jesus he should make its self visible I want to see him.

The voice replied me saying I am not qualified to hear him let alone to see him. I replied saying but people saw you Jesus when you were growing up. the voice said that was when I was not glorifed but now am glorified which makes me not qualiferd to see him. I replied saying but am a righteous man. I fast every friday and monday, am a sunnis muslim ( most holy sect of the 73 sect in Islam ) , i don't fornicate , I give part of salary to the poor every month. The voice said he could see that I was dedicated and committed is the reason I want to safe you.

I said to the voice if you are Anobi Isa you should know that am knowledgeable because my argunent is based on the the quran and also you should tell me what I used to ask God when I pray. I was amazed flabergastered when he told me all the things I have been saying to almighty allah for the past 10year. Then I remembered that the Quran says its only God that knows the secret things in the heart of men but this Jesus knows the secret things of my heart. I am sorry I want to believe JESUS CHRIST is GOD

I remember he said that except I become born again I cannot see the kingdom of God. I said that that is a lie and am not stupid. I am literate both academically and quranically. I studied in accra Ghana and spent 15year in Qatar to study the quran ( the interpretation and memorization of the quran ) I said is nonsense and it's not possible to be born again. He said I should find out from the christians what it means to be born agan.

After this scene and everything had settled I asked my uncle and the elders ofthe mosque if they saw any bright light ( they are my witness ) they said yes but did not hear any sound. I told them all that happened. I instead was told that the voice I heard is a demon and want to stop me from being ordained the chief imam of the central mosque which was scheduled to happen soonest.

I was invited to come and lead them in a prayer yesterday, and after the prayer I came out to return home I suddenly heard a voice telling me to move upward towards a church that is nearby. when I get there I should tell them I want to give my life to Jesus. Right there in the church the voice told me to tell the members that the pastor is God choosen one for his generation when he prays his prayer gets to heaven but his members are too familiar with him. They don't do what he tells them to do hence the reason why their prayers are not answered. Though I did not tell them all these things when I got to the church but was quick to tell them I wanted to give my life to Jesus. ( born again )

After I told them I wanted to give my life to jesus, I was told the pastor would soon join me because he was in a prayer meeting. When the pastor came out, he said its God's time Jesus has saved you he will do his work. I went home but I remember in his prayer he said this Jesus will visit me and give me the holy spirit. But while I was in the church my father was busy calling me to come to the mosque and attend to people waiting for me and that he wanted to know where I was so that he could send a driver to pick me. I refused to give my location to my father the pastor would bear me withness because it was right in his presence it happened.


when i got home my father said he doesnt want to hear anything about Jesus anymore in the house that I should forget it unless I want to be digging my grave. I sad father it has not gotten to that and I went to sleep.Later that day my father came to my room to call me to observe the prayer of ramadan but I pretented to be sick and told him I could not so he gave me medicine to that efffect .

The voice that used to minister to me had told me earlier not to observe such prayers because I can not serve two masters. When he told me this I challenged him quotng the quran why he would want me to disobey my parents. His reply was that he is the God of heaven and earth and my parents do not even know me. When my father put the semen in my mother did I know how it developed into a baby in the womb? He asked me So later that day my father came again after he had given me the medicine around 3:15am to ask after my health and also to come and lead the prayer but told my father that the illness still persist that I could not come. Finally he came around 5:00am that I should go and lead the most important prayer but still told him that am still not strong to pray with them. It was at this point that my father told me that I should know that he is my father and not a small boy , he knows when am sick and he wants to tell me categorically clear that I was not sick all this while. That when I was sick last year I still came to the mosque to pray.

This real God is not really wicked. want to ask my brothers and sister in Islam, is this not a bondage? If GOd is really merciful and gracious he should understand and not force you to pray. Please note that am not crazy, stupid or that some christians have come to bribe me because I know that this is what would be going through their minds. I know this because have been there before. All of you should know that am sane and ok that is why am mentioning my fathers name " Ibrahim Amadu Bello " The chief Imam of Aduani central mosque. He is a car dealer and leader of all sunnis muslims in the area. I am a chartered accountant and I am not a poor man.

Now all of you muslims know that my desire is to go to heaven. I look for this heaven and can not be found EXCEPT in this JESUS. Why am I saying this? Quran 2:285..it says " Allah says o ye believers among the muslims believe in all the books and prophets.this means the Bible is included. So how would all of a sudden the same Quran would come and say that the bible is dirty? Allah says that believe in all of the 124,000 prophets this is the believe of all muslims. Allah says all of them have come short of his glory except JESUS the son of marry. Fine he did not say son of God it does not matter but allah says only him is worthy.

Now quran says muhammed should interceed for us in the day of judgement. according to hadith qudus . Now how is that possible that muhammed that is with sin . The quran says allah says instruct muhammed verse 32 to ask for forgiveness and I would forgive your present and future sins. That means muhammed is with sin that is why allah would forgive him. Allah says that this Jesus is without any sin . Therefore I believe the man without sin is worthy to interceed for sin on the day of judgement.

All of you know am well educated in this faith. My father sent me to Qatar to study quran. I am sorry am saying nothing but the truth because allah told us in the quran to tell the truth even they would cut off your head. I am sory this is the truth am not saying this to please anybody. I want to please my lord jesus christ who had visited me on monday and who has safed my soul from condemnation of hell fire. I appreciate him and am so grateful to him for saving me.

This morning as the story continues brothers and sisters I was put inside a room because my father was angry. What happened was that he asked me to go to the mosque and I said no. He said he was going to take his bath that when he comes back and am not in the mosque he will order some body guards to forcefully bundle me to the mosque.I replied I heard but was worried. Then I heard the voice that speaks to me telling me my son stand up from the bed and I should say after him just as I said after the pastor that lead me to christ . I was reluctant but the voice said there was power in confession. The voice said my servant who lead you to christ ought to have told you that am about to tell you. i said I did not understand what the voice was saying The voice said the confession i made yesterday was not by my power. I replied that but what man needs to do is good works to get to heaven The voice replied saying good works alone can not get you to heaven but confessing Jesus as the lord and personal lord and savior would guaranty. No one gets to heaven until he believes in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary.
If not forget it ,it does not matter who you are Hindus, budist, Muslim e.t.c This is the hard truth.

The voice says I should say after him ...as many have received him he has given power to become sons of God even them that believe in his name . The voice said I should continue saying it till it becomes part of my spirit. I kept saying it until I got to 7th time my brother until now I can't explain my experience in detail...I saw something like a flame of fire and of a sudden while my house roof was opened the flame came in target towards me. I was engulfed by this fire and I started rolling on the floor. My people could testify to this because my clothes I was putting on were dirty. I was rolling on the floor and as if someone was forcing me to speak.

All of a sudden I started speaking in strange language loudly and continuously. When my father came into the room and saw me rolling on the floor and speaking in strange language at the same time he thought I was running mad. Everyone my mother, sisters were crying because they thought I was running mad.

My father ran out quickly to a nearby hospital to call a doctor called doctor Joseph.. When the man came to my house and saw me and he began to say he was amazed and happy. My father fought the doctor telling him why he would be happy or amazed at his son running mad? The doctor replied saying he is happy because Jesus has finally visited my family. The doctor said he should remember how he used to preach to my father and he rejects him and even throw Bible at him and warns him never to preach to him again. The doctor said I have been visited by the holy ghost.

My father replied the doctor that he himself must be running mad because according to my father in Quran 40:8 that Muhammed is their leader and he his the holyspirit and therefore the said holyspirt can not teach his son to accept Jesus as son of God just as the Quran 112 : 1-5 says God has no son. Before I go further Jesus once told me that this verse of the Quran contradict itself with Quran 2:23 I said no Quran can't contradict itself.

Quran 112:1-5 says God has no father or son or mother. He didn't give birth to anyone and no one gave birth to him and no one helped in his creation. Then if this is true then why did the Quran Quran 2:23 ( abulbakur ) where Allah says...we create the heaveans and earth. We gave them two ears and 2 eyes. Now the word " we " Jesus told me consist of 3 trinity God. That means there are three in creation.

My brothers and sisters in Islam you could see that Quran even confessed Jesus please open Quran 8:4 Allah says Jesus Christ is the spoken word of God and the spirit of God. So for this reason it is important why we need to follow Jesus Christ before it is too late . I am not insulting anybody my Muslim people the Quran is there for you to confirm.

Now Jesus told me again to open the Quran to Quran 1:4 as pointed to me why if Mohammed was the way he wouldn't be asking God while praying every time to show him the straight path. I mean he didn't really know the way. Now I saw the man that says he is the way the truth and life that no one comes to the father except through him. I feel free from the bondage while the key is given to me.

Let me tell you how how I came out of the room when he angrily sent the Christian doctor away when the doctor started talking about Jesus being the one visiting me and family.. I was worried and wondered how my family would get safed too because they are very deep into Islam it was then I realized that it is only Jesus that can visit them the way he visited me.

When my father locked me inside after he had slapped me I wanted to change my mind and beg him that he should forgive me that it was a demon but the holy spirit warned me not to think that way introducing himself as the holy spirit that the voice I encountered within the light was Jesus that I should stop thinking negative things instead I should think what is holy, righteous as a man thinketh in his heart so he is.

He said that fear is not part of his kingdom it is of the Satan. Never doubt I have created the whole world but only the Christians are my chosen. I said how do you mean ? You mean Muslims are not part if it? He said yes the Christians are his royal priest chosen to shine Gods light only that many of them are afraid and they see the word of God as an ordinary story words. Some even think that the miracle in the Bible can only happen in the day of old and not in the present modern day. Those kind of look warm Christians I don't want you to become like them. The holy spirit says many of the Christians doubt the word of God they worship God with their mouth and not their hearts.

The holy spirit now says hold the door of the room and open it. I said but the door is locked with key and the key is with my father. He said hold the door and open it because when I open a door no one closes and the one I close no one opens. I tried opening and to my surprise I have never encountered such a thing in my life the door opened.

Immediately the door opened I saw my biological father close to the door and so I was afraid but the holy spirit told me not to be afraid that I should walk through that my father will not hear or see me. I summon courage and did as he commanded and truly my father could not see me.

Then the holy spirit said I should charter a taxi going to Agege at cathedral road I declined that I know nobody there. He said when I get there I should ask for a company called Abbbi yoghurt. I was surprised and asked why he was sending me to a Muslim. He said when I get there I should tell him he should believe in Jesus because people have been preaching about Jesus to him but wanted to get healed before he would believe. He said I should tell him my personal encounter with Jesus he will believe me.

When I got there he was not around but met some people or workers that told me to wait. They called him and told him that I was waiting and that I said I had a strong message for him concerning his sickness. He said he was coming but later said he couldn't make it that he would send his wife. I opened up on my encounter with Jesus Christ to his wife and his wife gave her life to Jesus. I told the wife to call her husband to narrate my encounter with Jesus and the message the holy spirit told me to tell him. He too gave his life to Jesus . The husband confessed that few minutes after the confession the illness disappeared and he was completely healed.

Later the husband called and wanted to reward me handsomely because he was rich but I warned by the holy spirit not to take his money and also I should not take his phone number because my mission with him as ended for now and there is no need for his phone number. He said my purpose is to show the light ofJesus to MUSLIMS and to tell Christians how valuable is JESUS they carry or have.

I want to tell my brothers and sisters in Islam that no matter how holy you are you can't connect to heaven only JESUS is the way to heaven I beg you my Muslim brothers and sisters I want the salvation of your soul to be for Jesus Christ as your lord and personal saviour I pray to my father Jesus Christ to safe you and to deliver you from darkness.





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Empiree:

Your problem is linguistic analysis of the use of Arabic language and the tone of the sura Fatiha. Although, if i reply you with "Allah is teaching the prophet how tp supplicate"

In The Name of Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful

The Holy phrase 'In The Name of Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful' / bism-il-lah-ir-rahman-ir-rahim / is, in fact, mentioned both at the onset of the Qur'an and at the beginning of every Surah, except Surah 9, (Surah Taubah -Repentance).


1. The Tone of the Surah
Allah has taught His servants how to supplicate and speak to Him, simply and without a mediator.[/u]


2. Al-Fatihah, the Basis of the Qur'an


3. Al-Fatihah, Magnificent Honour of the Prophet (SAW)

"Verily, Allah, the
Quran is word for word , word of Allah. You get to read in the Quran, 'say', 'say'. That's exactly what Surah Fatiha is about. For instance, Sura 112 begins with "Say, “He is God, the One. God, the Absolute. He begets not, nor was He begotten. et'al

Anymore question?

Empiree, Have you ever seen a STOOL without legs?

You cannot just come to a conclusion without building up your arguments properly.

What I quoted was in English not Arabic so talking about "linguistic analysis of the use of Arabic language and the tone of the sura Fatiha" is irrelevant. If the translators couldn't bring all these into the English then it's none of my business.

Remember, the question was simple: who is Allah worshipping in chapter 1 verse 5?
Allah says:
"It is You we worship and You we ask for help"

So:
1. How does the fact that the "phrase 'In The Name of Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful' / bism-il-lah-ir-rahman-ir-rahim / is, in fact, mentioned both at the onset of the Qur'an and at the beginning of every Surah, except Surah 9" answer the question? All you've done is to state what appear at the beginning of the chapters of the Koran. How does that answer the question?

2. Your words:

"in this Surah, His words are uttered on behalf of the servants. In other words, in this Surah, Allah has taught His servants how to supplicate and speak to Him, simply and without a mediator."

Are we missing something here? Assuming something is different from providing clear proof.

Where in that verse did it state that the "words are uttered on behalf of the servants"? I  can't find it there. Can you show us where you saw this phrase in that verse?

3. You said:

"Quran is word for word , word of Allah."

Which means we should take it as it is stated.
You therefore have no right to add to or assume what is not CLEARLY stated by Allah in that verse.

4. You said:

"You get to read in the Quran, 'say', 'say'. That's exactly what Surah Fatiha is about."

There is no 'say' in that verse so how did you come about your EXACTNESS that that is what the verse is about?
Are you trying to make us see what is not there?

If, as you claim, the Koran is word for word the words of Allah then you must take it as it is stated. You have no right to add to it or remove from it. Therefore, if Allah in Koran chapter 1 verse 5 says "It is You we worship and You we ask for help" it means that Allah is making SUPPLICATION and PETITION to another person or being. If this is the case then Allah is not supreme. Any other explanation is simply a SPECULATION.

You can see how the very first chapter of the Koran shows how messed up it is.

Lord have mercy. Chai . I am sorry. I thought you are intelligent that much. It is my fault and it is also my fault for saying "linguistic analysis" in arabic. Yes, the english translation is correct. Even at that, you still dont get it. I gave example of "say" which is indication that words of Allah were dictated to the prophet(S) directly. Sura Fatiah is teaching Muhammad(s) and by extension, muslims how to supplicate. Is that too difficult to swallow?. We seen similar case in "Thy Lord's prayer" and one of your brothers tried to refute me on that. I also gave example that there are other verses like that, that speak in the same tone.

You know what?. Calm down. Take a deep breath. Go and sleep and return and read over again tomorrow.

sagenaija:
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Empi.ree, Have you ever seen a STOOL without legs?

You cannot just come to a conclusion without building up your arguments properly.

What I quoted was in English not Arabic so talking about "linguistic analysis of the use of Arabic language and the tone of the sura Fatiha" is irrelevant. If the translators couldn't bring all these into the English then it's none of my business.

Remember, the question was simple: who is Allah worshipping in chapter 1 verse 5?
Allah says:
"It is You we worship and You we ask for help"

So:
1. How does the fact that the "phrase 'In The Name of Allah, The Beneficent, The Merciful' / bism-il-lah-ir-rahman-ir-rahim / is, in fact, mentioned both at the onset of the Qur'an and at the beginning of every Surah, except Surah 9" answer the question? All you've done is to state what appear at the beginning of the chapters of the Koran. How does that answer the question?

2. Your words:


Are we missing something here? Assuming something is different from providing clear proof.

Where in that verse did it state that the "words are uttered on behalf of the servants"? I  can't find it there. Can you show us where you saw this phrase in that verse?

3. You said:

Which means we should take it as it is stated.
You therefore have no right to add to or assume what is not CLEARLY stated by Allah in that verse.

4. You said:

There is no 'say' in that verse so how did you come about your EXACTNESS that that is what the verse is about?
Are you trying to make us see what is not there?

If, as you claim, the Koran is word for word the words of Allah then you must take it as it is stated. You have no right to add to it or remove from it. Therefore, if Allah in Koran chapter 1 verse 5 says "It is You we worship and You we ask for help" it means that Allah is making SUPPLICATION and PETITION to another person or being. If this is the case then Allah is not supreme. Any other explanation is simply a SPECULATION.

You can see how the very first chapter of the Koran shows how messed up it is.

Edyice:
Uncle em.piree I now see that you will never give up

Me I give up on you

Serve your God and I will serve mine but remember your Quran that talk about the creation of human and still advice you people to take lives ....

It talk about FLYING DONKEY that carry Mohammed to and back ....

Anyways just enjoy sha .... Am out with my Bible..

John 8:32

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.


You better open your eyes and see flaws in your Book and make a u-turn asap. Islam is your religion and religion of your fathers.

As for "flying donkey", I already told you to present which verse of Quran it is but you didnt do that.


Peace

Empiree:
John 8:32

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.


You better open your eyes and see flaws in your Book and make a u-turn asap. Islam is your religion and religion of your fathers.

As for "flying donkey", I already told you to present which verse of Quran it is but you didnt do that.


Peace

Uncle want teach me freedom

You saw it in the Bible and yet you want me to follow Islam

Empiree:
Lord have mercy. Chai . I am sorry. I thought you are intelligent that much. It is my fault and it is also my fault for saying "linguistic analysis" in arabic. Yes, the english translation is correct. Even at that, you still dont get it. I gave example of "say" which is indication that words of Allah were dictated to the prophet(S) directly. Sura Fatiah is teaching Muhammad(s) and by extension, muslims how to supplicate. Is that too difficult to swallow?. We seen similar case in "Thy Lord's prayer" and one of your brothers tried to refute me on that. I also gave example that there are other verses like that, that speak in the same tone.

You know what?. Calm down. Take a deep breath. Go and sleep and return and read over again tomorrow.

Empiree, when instead of presenting a COHERENT argument you begin to engage in PERSONAL attacks of your opponents it simply shows that you really had no genuine points to raise.

If you think it's difficult for me then why don't you break it down as you would explain a simple sentence to a child.

You can believe ANYTHING you want but that does not make it right. A man may choose to believe that a colourless liquid is water and drink it. But if it is poison, it is the end result that will show that his SINCERE BELIEF that it was water was a wrong belief. In other words, the result will show that he was SINCERELY WRONG.

Was it ONLY "linguistic analysis" I talked about in my post? How come you did not address the rest of it? Again a sign of INSINCERITY.

You talk about "say". And I asked you to show us where the word "say" is in that verse. You haven't done that.

So, where is "say" in that verse?

How is "Sura Fatiah is teaching Muhammad(s) and by extension, muslims how to supplicate"?

Allah says:
"It is You we worship and You we ask for help"

Show us where Allah is saying there 'I am teaching you how to pray like this' or 'When you pray do it like this'.

sagenaija:
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Empiree, when instead of presenting a COHERENT argument you begin to engage in PERSONAL attacks of your opponents it simply shows that you really had no genuine points to raise.

If you think it's difficult for me then why don't you break it down as you would explain a simple sentence to a child.

You can believe ANYTHING you want but that does not make it right. A man may choose to believe that a colourless liquid is water and drink it. But if it is poison, it is the end result that will show that his SINCERE BELIEF that it was water was a wrong belief. In other words, the result will show that he was SINCERELY WRONG.

Was it ONLY "linguistic analysis" I talked about in my post? How come you did not address the rest of it? Again a sign of INSINCERITY.

You talk about "say". And I asked you to show us where the word "say" is in that verse. You haven't done that.

So, where is "say" in that verse?

How is "Sura Fatiah is teaching Muhammad(s) and by extension, muslims how to supplicate"?

Allah says:
"It is You we worship and You we ask for help"

Show us where Allah is saying there 'I am teaching you how to pray like this' or 'When you pray do it like this'.

Bro abeg leave uncle empiree alone . The guy is not trying , he just want to argue .. he didn't listen to this confession, he has read THE PEOPLE VS MOHAMMED. Uncle wants to agree all day .. my hands are off his matter.

At the End, People that want to get save will actually be , this has been happening since the beginning of time , some will doubts , others won't show concern only the small few..

You don't have sense. Bcuz the book says what you wanted to hear, does that make it true?. I showed you a thread that we have already talked about it but you turned blind eye.

You are so lazy

Edyice:



Bro abeg leave uncle empiree alone . The guy is not trying , he just want to argue .. he didn't listen to this confession, he has read THE PEOPLE VS MOHAMMED. Uncle wants to agree all day .. my hands are off his matter.

At the End, People that want to get save will actually be , this has been happening since the beginning of time , some will doubts , others won't show concern only the small few..

sagenaija:
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How is "Sura Fatiah is teaching Muhammad(s) and by extension, muslims how to supplicate"?

Allah says:
"It is You we worship and You we ask for help"

Show us where Allah is saying there 'I am teaching you how to pray like this' or 'When you pray do it like this'.

I understand your frustration and agitation. It is bcuz we have scrutinized your Bible and have literally emptied it's ingredients.

Quran was revealed to prophet through Angel Gabriel who dictated Allah's Words to him. Word for word.


And he said


"It is you we worship. It is your we ask for help"



You still can't figure out this linguistic analysis?

Empiree:

Quran was revealed to prophet through Angel Gabriel who dictated Allah's Words to him. Word for word

And he said

"It is you we worship. It is your we ask for help"

You still can't figure out this linguistic analysis?

Empiree, attacking me does not answer the question. Rather it shows your FRUSTRATION! Not mine.

Stating your OPINION is NOT the same as providing EVIDENCE.

Until you PROVIDE us with the FACTS or REASONS for what you state they only remain in the realm of simply stating a POINT.

Why is your POINT, OPINION or STATEMENT valid. That is when you can begin to convince people.

When someone asks "what do you mean by that?" and your reply is "Can't you see it there?; it's there", you have really not answered the question. It only shows you were UNABLE to or UNWILLING to answer the question.

Asking me to figure out how Allah's words: "It is You we worship and You we ask for help"
means that he is teaching Moslems how to pray is simply ludicrous.

It's laughable because you are the MOSLEM who should show us. You are the one making the claim, not us.

It is you Moslems who say that the Koran is Allah's DIRECT words. So, if here in chapter 1 verse 5 Allah DID NOT say "This is how you are to pray" but you're claiming that he said so why are you finding it difficult to show us how?

The answer is simple: it's just not there. And it will SHAKE your faith in Islam if you are to accept that FACT. So you must try to DRIBBLE the enquirer. You must continue to hold on to your STRAW of Islam because if you accept it for what it is you know that your HOUSE OF CARDS have crumbled.

And, btw, we are still in the first chapter and you are already shaking. What happens when we look at Allah PRAYING FOR Mohamed? Will you catch fever then?

Fortunately others are reading our conversation and will be better informed.

lepasharon:


Abubabar too is not a real Muslim

Yes, prophet Muhammad was also not a real Muslim, only you, are.

Anas09:

Yes, prophet Muhammad was also not a real Muslim, only you, are.

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