Emusan:


If you're not an hypocrite, then show us the usage of the word ARCHE translated as BEGINNING in Rev 3:14 according to COLLINS DICTIONARY...

Let's see your stand.

chief; principal; of highest rank
archangel
archbishop
archduke
2. eminent above all others of the same kind; extreme
archenemy
archfiend
archfool

So your point ?

You people claimed because that's not what Bible claims.

By the time you check the above it would be clear.

Then both heavens and earth and Jesus can't be created at the BEGINNING....

Which one was first created at the beginning?

Genesis 1 answered that, it was HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, it means you misinterpreted Rev 3:14

Colossians 1:15-17 says the first BORN is before all other things. So " Beginning " here at Gen 1:1 is relative . your Foolish logic would mean Devil actually started sinning from beginning ( 1Joh 3:8 )

freshboi88:


U keep trying to win the argument and not learn. It is a shame u not open minded.

Beginning has more than 1 meaning, u think I can be easily fooled... Hahahaha.......I laugh at u.

According to the dictionary incase u cannot understand things:

Can u see that beginning also means


the background or origins of a person or organization. Which has a synonym of source and origin

At the end nobody can decide to give his or her own interpretation. But to know which interpretation is correct, that interpretation must be consistent across scripture.

Jehovah's witness interpretation contradicts John 1:3-4.

That's Jehovah witness lying liar for you...

Notice: They won't provide the dictionary for Rev 3:14 but will quickly do so for another verse.

If Jesus was created at the beginning the Bible is lying then by saying that, what God first created IN THE BEGINNING were heavens and the earth according to Genesis 1:1

Emusan:


Genesis 1:1 says "IN THE BEGINNING God created heavens and the earth"

How can Jesus still be the first created BEING IN THE BEGINNING when the Bible tells us what God first created IN THE BEGINNING WERE heavens and the earth?

That's the question

My brother forget these guys, when they cannot answer u, they will start quoting verses that have no correlation, after that, they will start insulting u. That's when you know u have defeated them

freshboi88:


U keep trying to win the argument and not learn. It is a shame u not open minded.

Beginning has more than 1 meaning, u think I can be easily fooled... Hahahaha.......I laugh at u.

According to the dictionary incase u cannot understand things:

Can u see that beginning also means


the background or origins of a person or organization. Which has a synonym of source and origin

At the end nobody can decide to give his or her own interpretation. But to know which interpretation is correct, that interpretation must be consistent across scripture.

Jehovah's witness interpretation contradicts John 1:3-4

To you Jehovah's Witnesses' interpretation contradicts God's word.

But they're the one and only organization producing the fruit of God's holy spirit like LOVE JOY PEACE PATIENCE GOODNESS KINDNESS FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL in our society.

It was so obvious that everyone, everytime and everywhere are saying Jehovah's Witnesses have LOVE amongst themselves! John 13:34-35

Well i prefer their interpretation that's why i left Islam for their faith! Matthew 5:14-16

Emusan:


Genesis 1:1 says "IN THE BEGINNING God created heavens and the earth"

How can Jesus still be the first created BEING IN THE BEGINNING when the Bible tells us what God first created IN THE BEGINNING WERE heavens and the earth?

That's the question

Stop displaying idiocy on every thread , Devil also started sinning from beginning means he was there before Jesus going by your brain dead analysis.

freshboi88:


My brother forget these guys, when they cannot answer u, they will start quoting verses that have no correlation, after that, they will start insulting u. That's when you know u have defeated them

This thread will never forget that you actually admitted Jesus was the first person created . beginning

freshboi88:


My brother forget these guys, when they cannot answer u, they will start quoting verses that have no correlation, after that, they will start insulting u. That's when you know u have defeated them

Your brother that you'll slaughter like nobody in the face of Politics and Racism!

Emusan:


That's Jehovah witness lying liar for you...

Notice: They won't provide the dictionary for Rev 3:14 but will quickly do so for another verse.

If Jesus was created at the beginning the Bible is lying then by saying that, what God first created IN THE BEGINNING were heavens and the earth according to Genesis 1:1

Exactly that's another verse that they are contradicting.

Emusan:


Cry me a river....like I said I won't give you the avenue to derail this thread.



The questions are:

1. Which one was created at the BEGINNING, heavens and earth or Jesus?

2. Is God lying for saying He created Heavens and the earth IN BEGINNING? according to Genesis 1:1

Lastly, you asked "is Jesus Christ in the heavens?"
A created being needs a SPACE TO OCCUPY

So where was Jesus after he was created?

Do you accept Devil was right there in the beginning too ? ( 1John 3:8 )

freshboi88:


Exactly that's another verse that they are contradicting.

You dont have to join Emusan to display idiocy, Do you accept Devil was right there sinning from beginning too ? (1John 3:

Barristter07:


This thread will never forget that you actually admitted Jesus was the first person created . beginning

I never said so. I said he is the beginning of Gods creation because he is the source and originator of life for all that was created. This is consistent with John 1: 1-4

1In the beginning the Word already existed.

The Word was with God,

and the Word was God.

2He existed in the beginning with God.

3God created everything through him,

and nothing was created except through him.

4The Word gave life to everything that was created


Can a created being give life I ask u. I didn't say so the bible did. Can u see Ur interpretation of Rev 3:14 is wrong. You have obviously applied the wrong definition of beginning to that verse. There are 3 definitions of beginning in the dictionary. Please educate yourself

Barristter07:


You dont have to join Emusan to display idiocy, Do you accept Devil was right there sinning from beginning too ? (1John 3:

Hahahaha......anytime u insult me, it's clear u r losing the argument

freshboi88:


Exactly that's another verse that they are contradicting.

There are more than 40,000 different religious groups claiming denominations of Christianity varying widely in beliefs, moral standards and forms of worship.

Please from which one exactly come your so called brother?

freshboi88:


I never said so. I said he is the beginning of Gods creation because he is the source and originator of life for all that was created. This is consistent with John 1: 1-4

Define beginning of something ?

Let me state it again that he wasn't the source ... 1Cor 8:6 you are lying

1In the beginning the Word already existed.

The Word was with God,

and the Word was God.

2He existed in the beginning with God.

3God created everything through him,

and nothing was created except through him.

4The Word gave life to everything that was created


Can a created being give life I ask u. I didn't say so the bible did. Can u see Ur interpretation of Rev 3:14 is wrong. You have obviously applied the wrong definition of beginning to that verse. There are 3 definitions of beginning in the dictionary. Please educate yourself

Can I see the three definitions of beginning of something ?

Barristter07:
chief; principal; of highest rank
archangel
archbishop
archduke
2. eminent above all others of the same kind; extreme
archenemy
archfiend
archfool

So your point ?

My point is, now how does this proof that Rev 3:14 is talking about Jesus being created in the BEGINNING?

By the time you check the above it would be clear

I can't see where CREATED appears in the above list, did you?

Colossians 1:15-17 says the first BORN is before all other things. So " Beginning " here at Gen 1:1 is relative . your Foolish logic would mean Devil actually started sinning from beginning ( 1Joh 3:8 )

Can you see your hypocrisy I do talk about

So the BEGINNING in Genesis is relative but the one in Rev 3:14 isn't....continue!

Now you're bringing Colossians into this when your confusion is not yet clear about Rev 3:14

Barristter07:


You dont have to join Emusan to display idiocy, Do you accept Devil was right there sinning from beginning too ? (1John 3:

But Emusan drew another contradiction from Ur lies nah. Genesis 1:1, he has told u what God created as recorded in the scripture. We keep showing u that Ur interpretation is not consistent with scripture. So it's definitely wrong

freshboi88:


Hahahaha......anytime u insult me, it's clear u r losing the argument

Face the matter .... Devil was existing from beginning , agree ?

Barristter07:


Do you accept Devil was right there in the beginning too ? ( 1John 3:8 )

Then which means beginning wasn't mean CREATED FIRST? Do you agree?

Genesis 1:1 PLAINLY SAID WHAT WAS CREATED IN THE BEGINNING is God lying?

Emusan:


My point is, now how does this proof that Rev 3:14 is talking about Jesus being created in the BEGINNING?

From the examples cited .

Is an arch enemy an enemy ?

Is an arch angel an angel too ?

I can't see where CREATED appears in the above list, did you?

The point is clear enough . I ask some questions above.

Can you see your hypocrisy I do talk about

So the BEGINNING in Genesis is relative but the one in Rev 3:14 isn't....continue!

Now you're bringing Colossians into this when your confusion is not yet clear about Rev 3:14

Colossians says the person mentioned at Rev 3:14 is before anything else , it became clear he was BORN first among creations

Barristter07:


Stop displaying idiocy on every thread , Devil also started sinning from beginning means he was there before Jesus going by your brain dead analysis.

I'll tell you, you stop displaying your ignorance and myopic attitude.

Isn't Genesis emphatically said GOD created HEAVENS AND THE EARTH IN the Beginning?

The word CREATED boldly appear in that verse which means both Jesus and heavens and the earth can't be CREATED AT THE BEGINNING.

Barristter07:


Define beginning of something ?

Let me state it again that he wasn't the source ... 1Cor 8:6 you are lying



Can I see the three definitions of beginning of something ?

You dnt read. Cos if u do, u will see that I have already posted a screenshot of it. My friend if u didn't see it. Go and use the dictionary to educate urself

Emusan:


Then which means beginning wasn't mean CREATED FIRST? Do you agree?

Genesis 1:1 PLAINLY SAID WHAT WAS CREATED IN THE BEGINNING is God lying?

Despite trying to help you, you still refuse to have sense - Does Proverb 8:22-26 not clarify this clearly ?

freshboi88:


You dnt read. Cos if u do, u will see that I have already posted a screenshot of it. My friend if u didn't see it. Go and use the dictionary to educate urself

That screenshot that said Arch angel and arch enemy ... And I asked is an arch enemy part of enemies ? Catch yourself.

Emusan:


I'll tell you, you stop displaying your ignorance and myopic attitude.

Isn't Genesis emphatically said GOD created HEAVENS AND THE EARTH IN the Beginning?

The word CREATED boldly appear in that verse which means both Jesus and heavens and the earth can't be CREATED AT THE BEGINNING.

Proverb 8:22-26 says which was created first ?

Barristter07:
From the examples cited .

Is an arch enemy an enemy ?

Is an arch angel an angel too ?

It's evident that even the dictionary you cited didn't support Rev 3:14 as FIRST CREATED but you just decided to stick with your dubious interpretation.

The point is clear enough . I ask some questions above.

Even from the list BEGINNING was not there so I'll ask you to substitute what you quote into Rev 3:14 and let's see how well it will fit in.

Colossians says the person mentioned at Rev 3:14 is before anything else , it became clear he was BORN first among creations

Don't bring Colossians into this first that's how you people jump up and down like monkeys....

Did receive 3:14 means Jesus was created FIRST IN THE BEGINNING that the point compare to Genesis 1 :1 where it was plainly said that, what God created first in the beginning were HEAVENS AND THE EARTH?

Barristter07:


Face the matter .... Devil was existing from beginning , agree ?

See English language is not so difficult o. In English, words can mean different things according to the context in which they are used.

Even a child know that the verse means that the devil has been sinning since he was created. He wasn't there at the beginning

Emusan:


It's evident that even the dictionary you cited didn't support Rev 3:14 as FIRST CREATED but you just decided to stick with your dubious interpretation.



Even from the list BEGINNING was not there so I'll ask you to substitute what you quote into Rev 3:14 and let's see how well it will fit in.

Emusan , Is an arch enemy part of enemies ?

You Cant escape this.

Don't bring Colossians into this first that's how you people jump up and down like monkeys....

Did receive 3:14 means Jesus was created FIRST IN THE BEGINNING that the point compare to Genesis 1 :1 where it was plainly said that, what God created first in the beginning were HEAVENS AND THE EARTH?

You know what , Proverb 8:22-26 which was made first ?

freshboi88:


See English language is not so difficult o. In English, words can mean different things according to the context in which they are used.

Even a child know that the verse means that the devil has been sinning since he was created. He wasn't there at the beginning

Good , take five ... If Jesus wasn't created , why is he called first BORN of Creation , how does God birth him ?

Emusan:


It's evident that even the dictionary you cited didn't support Rev 3:14 as FIRST CREATED but you just decided to stick with your dubious interpretation.



Even from the list BEGINNING was not there so I'll ask you to substitute what you quote into Rev 3:14 and let's see how well it will fit in.



Don't bring Colossians into this first that's how you people jump up and down like monkeys....

Did receive 3:14 means Jesus was created FIRST IN THE BEGINNING that the point compare to Genesis 1 :1 where it was plainly said that, what God created first in the beginning were HEAVENS AND THE EARTH?

That's what they do. They keep jumping from one place to another. I know their tactics.

Barristter07:
Proverb 8:22-26 says which was created first ?

I've said it before that Proverb 8 isn't on you people side because it went completely against your claim when we analysis in detail.

But the point here is this:

Both Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1-3 have the same tone

So, Is God lying for plainly said in Genesis 1:1 that what was created FIRST IN THE BEGINNING were heavens and the earth?

Barristter07:


Good , take five ... If Jesus wasn't created , why is he called first BORN of Creation , how does God birth him ?

U keep asking this question and I keep answering it and giving u supporting references.

He is referred as the Firstborn of all creation because is he the first to have died and resurrected. Simple

Barristter07:


Emusan , Is an arch enemy part of enemies ?

You Cant escape this.



You know what , Proverb 8:22-26 which was made first ?

Ansa which was created first....Jesus or Heaven and Earth?