Jesus Christ is the only way people can be saved. People who believe on Christ would be saved those who did not would be condemned. Yes Christ died for everyone but there is a condition for it to be for you, that is, you must believe.


Salvation was planned by God a long time ago before creation, God knows those who he would save and he predestinated it accordingly, Note God predistinated them to be saved in Christ, so the only possible way to have salvation is through Jesus.

Romans 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Not everyone would believe, but those that would, God knew them and he makes sure that they are saved.

Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Not every one that is called would obey his call that is, not every one will recieve the gospel.

Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.

He said many are called and not All

You that have the opportunity to hear the gospel what are you doing with it?

Acts 2:39
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

This explains why our forefathers didnd have the gospel of Jesus Christ preached to them. They were not called.

Is God unjust?

Read this verse carefully,

Acts 17:27-30 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

God had put things in place that would make them seek him but what did they do they turned to idols instead.

Romans 1:23
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:


Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

An idol is anything that takes the place of God, today people idolizes things and replaces God with them, things such as money, fame, achievements, etc become their idols.

Paul while preaching to the Athens said that the years of ignorance God has winked at it, meaning he had put a stop to it and now command everyone to repent and turn to him.

The criteria.. I repeat.. The only criteria for making heaven is faith in Christ. Hence you'll see good people in hell and "bad people in Heaven.

Good works existed before Jesus came to die. If good works was a requirement then John 3:16 would read "For God so loved the world that whoever does good shall not perish but have everlasting life"

John 6:29 (from Jesus Himself); Jesus answered and said unto them this is the work of the God, that you believe in Whom He sent..

Mary and Joseph would not have been saved if they did not believe in Jesus

Perfectbeing:
The criteria.. I repeat.. The only criteria for making heaven is faith in Christ. Hence you'll see good people in hell and "bad people in Heaven.

Good works existed before Jesus came to die. If good works was a requirement then John 3:16 would read "For God so loved the world that whoever does good shall not perish but have everlasting life"

John 6:29 (from Jesus Himself); Jesus answered and said unto them this is the work of the God, that you believe in Whom He sent..

Mary and Joseph would not have been saved if they did not believe in Jesus

So what of prophets that existed before christ and people that the message of Christ didn't get to but were good?

Rozz:
So what of prophets that existed before christ and people that the message of Christ didn't get to but were good?

No one was saved because they were good.
Prophets before Christ trusted in God for their own salvation hence they were justified by faith.
Jesus is the fulfillment of the salvation they Hoped for.
The name Jesus means yahweh my saviour, that is the reason Jesus died and revived so that he could become the Lord of both those who died trusting in God and those who believed in him after his coming.

ursamajor:
If you do not believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins, you won't make heaven m

All your forefathers will not make heaven? Wake up dud Christianity is laced with Roman paganism

Auki:


All your forefathers will not make heaven? Wake up dud Christianity is laced with Roman paganism

You are not very smart if you think what you just typed now will stop my ancestors who died ages ago from going to heaven or hell.

mercidove:

What of those that were in existence before the coming of Christ? I need a comprehensive reply.

The Gospel has been proclaimed right from the fall of Adam. Christ is the promised seed of the woman, which shall crush the head of the serpent. the Gospel is typified in the ceremonial laws of the Jews. They showed their faith in the Christ which was to come, by laying their hands on the sacrificial goat, confessing their sins on it and then killing it. showing that someone is coming who would take their sins upon his head. so, the old testament saints and the patriarch even before the mosaic institutions were saved by faith the Christ which was to come. we, now are saved by faith in that Christ which has come.

Rozz:
Do you believe as a Christian that some non Christians will make heaven as well?I remembered when one of our senior pastor once told us that being a Christian does not guarantee you heaven and that some non Christians will make heaven as long as they are good and obedient to God.Do you think He's right?

your "pastor" hasn't read the scriptures.
he that doesn't believe ln Christ is condemned ALREADY.

Rozz:
So what of prophets that existed before christ and people that the message of Christ didn't get to but were good?

The Gospel has been proclaimed right from the fall of Adam. Christ is the promised seed of the woman, which shall crush the head of the serpent. the Gospel is typified in the ceremonial laws of the Jews. They showed their faith in the Christ which was to come, by laying their hands on the sacrificial goat, confessing their sins on it and then killing it. showing that someone is coming who would take their sins upon his head. so, the old testament saints and the patriarch even before the mosaic institutions were saved by faith the Christ which was to come. we, now are saved by faith in that Christ which has come.

Poloyanabo1:
We are saying the same thing bro.... Believe in Jesus's teachings and salvation and you're saved. not necessarily doctrines. But without Jesus Christ, there's no salvation for any human.

you just contradicted yourself. whatever you believe about Jesus IS DOCTRINE. so what do you mean by ,"not necessarily doctrines"??

onlyinJESUS:

you just contradicted yourself. whatever you believe about Jesus IS DOCTRINE. so what do you mean by ,"not necessarily doctrines"??

In essence we're all saying the same thing, No salvation outside Christ. No need to make it sound palatable, as harsh as it sounds.... Its the only TRUTH.

solite3:
No one was saved because they were good.
Prophets before Christ trusted in God for their own salvation hence they were justified by faith.
Jesus is the fulfillment of the salvation they Hoped for.
The name Jesus means yahweh my saviour, that is the reason Jesus died and revived so that he could become the Lord of both those who died trusting in God and those who believed in him after his coming.

Confusion is here.

Perfectbeing:
The criteria.. I repeat.. The only criteria for making heaven is faith in Christ. Hence you'll see good people in hell and "bad people in Heaven.

Good works existed before Jesus came to die. If good works was a requirement then John 3:16 would read "For God so loved the world that whoever does good shall not perish but have everlasting life"

John 6:29 (from Jesus Himself); Jesus answered and said unto them this is the work of the God, that you believe in Whom He sent..

Mary and Joseph would not have been saved if they did not believe in Jesus

That is exactly the meaning of that verse!

"Whoever does good will not perish but have everlasting life"

But the problem with Churchgoers is lack of understanding.

It's only good works that can guarantee you God's kingdom because God's will is for good people to fill the earth.

Note Jesus' response when someone called him "good teacher" {Luke 18:19} this means that Jesus became good because he learnt how to be truly good from the one and only good person (God) {John 8:28} so for anyone to meet the criteria of being good you too must learn how to be good (in accordance with God's own righteousness) from the one and only examplar that God presented to mankind (Jesus). That's the import of John 3:16

All other prophets of God who lived before Jesus were declared righteous because they lived their lives in harmony with the good they learnt from God, but they're not yet qualified for everlasting life they must be resurrected, taught all what Jesus taught us, accept those teachings, practice what they learnt before they can be granted the privilege to live forever.

That's why the Bible book of Revelations 20:11-15 says there will be a resurrection of the righteous (those who have worshiped God before they died both Christians and in ancient times) and the unrighteous (those who knew nothing about God's standards but live by their own conscience), they will be judged.

The judging means Christians will be resurrected first and they will prepare the earth before the others are resurrected, so when others are resurrected the Christians will start teaching them how to become good like the model God gave mankind (Jesus) {Malachi 3:16} those who accepted to live a Christlike life will be granted everlasting life, but those who refuses (thinking their own righteousness is enough) will be destroyed for good!
Note what verse 16 of Malachi 3 says "God's angels will start penning down the names of those who avail themselves for the training on how to meet up with God's requirements" so those who did not avail themselves, their names will be missing in the book of life! Revelations 20:15

Thanks!

Maximus69:


That is exactly the meaning of that verse!

"Whoever does good will not perish but have everlasting life"

But the problem with Churchgoers is lack of understanding.

It's only good works that can guarantee you God's kingdom because God's will is for good people to fill the earth.

Note Jesus' response when someone called him "good teacher" {Luke 18:19} this means that Jesus became good because he learnt how to be truly good from the one and only good person (God) {John 8:28} so for anyone to meet the criteria of being good you too must learn how to be good (in accordance with God's own righteousness) from the one and only examplar that God presented to mankind (Jesus). That's the import of John 3:16

All other prophets of God who lived before Jesus were declared righteous because they lived their lives in harmony with the good they learnt from God, but they're not yet qualified for everlasting life they must be resurrected, taught all what Jesus taught us, accept those teachings, practice what they learnt before they can be granted the privilege to live forever.

That's why the Bible book of Revelations 20:11-15 says there will be a resurrection of the righteous (those who have worshiped God before they died both Christians and in ancient times) and the unrighteous (those who knew nothing about God's standards but live by their own conscience), they will be judged.

The judging means Christians will be resurrected first and they will prepare the earth before the others are resurrected, so when others are resurrected the Christians will start teaching them how to become good like the model God gave mankind (Jesus) {Malachi 3:16} those who accepted to live a Christlike life will be granted everlasting life, but those who refuses (thinking their own righteousness is enough) will be destroyed for good!
Note what verse 16 of Malachi 3 says "God's angels will start penning down the names of those who avail themselves for the training on how to meet up with God's requirements" so those who did not avail themselves, their names will be missing in the book of life! Revelations 20:15

Thanks!

Islam and a host of other religion urges their faithful to do good. So what is the difference between all those religion and Christianity. What then is the essence of the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus if the criteria for everlasting life was good will.
And also Matthew 26:28 talks about the remission of sin through the shedding of the blood of Christ.

And I don't know what you're trying to imply.. that John 3:16 means ".. whosoever does good shall not perish but have everlasting life"

Are you trying to undermine the torture, flogging, thrist, hunger and cruxifixion of Christ?

Perfectbeing:

Islam and a host of other religion urges their faithful to do good. So what is the difference between all those religion and Christianity. What then is the essence of the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus if the criteria for everlasting life was good will.
And also Matthew 26:28 talks about the remission of sin through the shedding of the blood of Christ.

And I don't know what you're trying to imply.. that John 3:16 means ".. whosoever does good shall not perish but have everlasting life"

Are you trying to undermine the torture, flogging, thrist, hunger and cruxifixion of Christ?

Comprehension is the problem here my guy!

God taught Jesus how to be good and God declared that it's only Jesus that can teach you and i the good qualities he requires before we can have everlasting life.

So there's no way anyone can qualify for the qualities God requires if they don't come in contact with Jesus! John 3:16

Maximus69:


Comprehension is the problem here my guy!

God taught Jesus how to be good and God declared that it's only Jesus that can teach you and i the good qualities he requires before we can have everlasting life.

So there's no way anyone can qualify for the qualities God requires if they don't come in contact with Jesus! John 3:16

You still haven't explained the reason for his shedding of blood.

Perfectbeing:


You still haven't explained the reason for his shedding of blood.

Shedding of his blood is another topic entirely!

Regarding the criteria to enter God's kingdom, it requires good works but only Jesus knows the type of good works that can please his father!

Maximus69:


Shedding of his blood is another topic entirely!

Regarding the criteria to enter God's kingdom, it requires good works but only Jesus knows the type of good works that can please his father!

hmm.

Make sure you also explain John 8:24
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."

Perfectbeing:


hmm.

Make sure you also explain John 8:24
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."

That's what i've been saying since!

Jesus is the one and only model God presented to mankind for anyone to learn how to become good from God's own viewpoint! John 3:16

The Jews knew for sure and they've been expecting a Messiah (saviour) who will be the sacrificial lamb to cleanse all the sin of mankind, but they are now arguing with the same promised Christ, that's why he said "if you don't believe that i am he(the promised Messiah), you will all die in your sin"

The reason is they will not care to learn how to become good from God's viewpoint from him and all those who rejected Jesus' teachings will perish! John 3:17-18

ursamajor:
If you do not believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins, you won't make heaven.

It is rather unfortunate that scripture does not agree with you.

It is the lesson taught in the [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+10%3A25-37&version=NIV]Parable of the Pagan Worshipping Non-believing Not Born Again Nor Regenerated Unbaptized But Doing Good and Shewing Mercy Samaritan[/url], and the [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+18%3A9-14&version=NIV]Parable of the Self-righteous Pharisee and the Money Grabbing Tax Collector[/url].

budaatum:

It is rather unfortunate that scripture does not agree with you.

It is the lesson taught in the [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+10%3A25-37&version=NIV]Parable of the Pagan Worshipping Non-believing Not Born Again Nor Regenerated Unbaptized But Doing Good and Shewing Mercy Samaritan[/url], and the [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+18%3A9-14&version=NIV]Parable of the Self-righteous Pharisee and the Money Grabbing Tax Collector[/url].

Thanks for this,many people do not really understand the bible.

Rozz:
Thanks for this,many people do not really understand the bible.

They decide to believe instead, unfortunately.

budaatum:

It is rather unfortunate that scripture does not agree with you.

It is the lesson taught in the [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+10%3A25-37&version=NIV]Parable of the Pagan Worshipping Non-believing Not Born Again Nor Regenerated Unbaptized But Doing Good and Shewing Mercy Samaritan[/url], and the [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+18%3A9-14&version=NIV]Parable of the Self-righteous Pharisee and the Money Grabbing Tax Collector[/url].

So you want to disprove without empirical evidence? Point to where it's stated in the Holy Bible that if you do not believe in Jesus Christ, you would make heaven.
Of course you're not a Christian, you just want to sound intelligent.

ursamajor:

So you want to disprove without empirical evidence? Point to where it's stated in the Holy Bible that if you do not believe in Jesus Christ, you would make heaven.
Of course you're not a Christian, you just want to sound intelligent.

I guess it has to explicitly say so for you to understand because, like some, you reason like a child and fail to understand that the Samaritan we know today as being good was not even so much the equivalent of a One God Muslim, but a multi-god pagan worshipper. Yet, Christ said it is he that you should do likewise as. Nor do you seem aware that the money grabbing supposedly hell going tax collector would enter God's Kingdom while the self righteous Pharisee would be left gnashing his teeth.

One can't just sound intelligent because one wants to. The Holy Spirit will guide you too to put the ways of childhood behind you so that you stop focusing on the reflection in a mirror and fully understand.

budaatum:

I guess it has to explicitly say so for you to understand because, like some, you reason like a child and fail to understand that the Samaritan we know today as being good was not even so much the equivalent of a One God Muslim, but a multi-god pagan worshipper. Yet, Christ said it is he that you should do likewise as. Nor do you seem aware that the money grabbing supposedly hell going tax collector would enter God's Kingdom while the self righteous Pharisee would be left gnashing his teeth.

One can't just sound intelligent because one wants to. The Holy Spirit will guide you too to put the ways of childhood behind you so that you stop focusing on the reflection in a mirror and fully understand.

My oh my, I just checked your posts.
This has been a waste of time.

ursamajor:

My oh my, I just checked your posts.
This has been a waste of time.

You do not have the ability to understand my posts.

budaatum:
You do not have the ability to understand my posts.

On all evidence, I need not to.

ursamajor:

You are not very smart if you think what you just typed now will stop my ancestors who died ages ago from going to heaven or hell.

So, your ancestors who died ages ago and never heard of Christ might enter heaven regardless?

I wonder how if believing in the Christ they never heard of is a prerequisite, according to you.

budaatum:

So, your ancestors who died ages ago and never heard of Christ might enter heaven regardless?

I wonder how if believing in the Christ they never heard of is a prerequisite, according to you.

So you didn't see heaven or hell right.
You so want to engage though.

budaatum:

So, your ancestors who died ages ago and never heard of Christ might enter heaven regardless?

I wonder how if believing in the Christ they never heard of is a prerequisite, according to you.

So you didn't see heaven or hell right.
You so want to engage though.

Rozz:
Thanks for this,many people do not really understand the bible.

Darling u again. Anyways, how much romance u if I take u to Nandos restorant? Truss me, u can eat has much chicken has u like..with chips. How much pls? Be nice

ursamajor:

So you didn't see heaven or hell right.
You so want to engage though.
So you didn't see heaven or hell right.
You so want to engage though.

I gave you the benefit of hope.

Is it your position that all your ancestors who never heard of Jesus Christ are in hell?

rabazamba, don't report me, I didn't disobey any rules. The more I comment there, the more chances you people have to send me to a ban.