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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by silverlinen(m): 11:43pm On May 07, 2020 |
The ooni is high on cheap colorado trips |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 11:57pm On May 07, 2020 |
silverlinen:K'óró gbá l'ẹ́nu ẹ! 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 1:23am On May 08, 2020 |
TAO11: So how does this your long epistle answer my question? Your responses always gives u away. Don’t try to hide behind long epistles and insults, if you don’t know just say so. Well just like there is no factual details about Ife as a great Kingdom between 12th and 18th centuries (and well before that period too) so also there’s no true account of Ife lordship over your own Yoruba Kingdom because Ife was never real. It wasn’t a great Kingdom ruling over other kingdoms.. it was just a village where the Oracle (native doctor) lived. As for your Ibadan claims I’m happy you agree that vast parts of Yoruba territories was under Great Benin Kingdom because the only part of Benin Kingdom Ibadan invaded was the Yoruba parts. So it’s a case of brother invading brothers lol. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 2:56am On May 08, 2020 |
davidnazee: I already gave you a disclaimer when I said I cant type in Edo language. So, hire an interpreter to translate from English to Edo so you can understand that your dvmb question was not only answered, but your prior humiliation also highlighted. Moreover, Ibadan raiding territories of your Benin Kingdom inhabited by your Edo people is not my claim because I can't remeber telling you at anytime that my name is Dr. R.E. Bradbury author The Benin Kingdom and the Edo Speaking Peoples of Southern Nigeria. Moreover, everyone here will like to see you cite your imaginary playmates --- the voices in your head --- from whom you've been getting your information. I can't remember agreeing at any time to any of your schizophreniac claims. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 3:52am On May 08, 2020 |
TAO11: Your knowledge of events and history is really very limited. Maybe you should ask Bradbury which parts of Benin Kingdom Ibadan raided, he will tell you it’s the Yoruba parts because even Bradbury and all the the scholars u will quote all agree with facts that Great Benin Kingdom ruled over vast parts of your Yoruba Kingdoms including; ondo, Akure, osogbo, idanre, Ekiti, ado Ekiti, ilesa, Ikere, Efon-alaiye, ikare, owo, Ijebu ode, ore, ijebu-Igbo, ise, ikole, ila, iwo, ede.. Some of these Great Benin vassal states were the ones Ibadan raided. So like I said earlier, it’s brother raiding brothers.. As for Ife, your failure (not ur fault tho becos there’s nothing to say) to give any traditional account of any Yoruba Kingdoms describing ife’s rule over them just goes to show Ife was not great as you like to say. I bet a greater percentage of Yorubas will deny Ife ever ruled their kingdoms. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 9:32am On May 08, 2020 |
davidnazee: I've cited reference (from Bradbury) more than once on this platform to the names of several Edo people and settlements destroyed by the Ibadan troops. Also, I've cited reference to the territories ruled by Ife (from the 12th to the 15th centuries) including your 2 by 2 Benin Kingdom. Your problem remains your admitted inability to read English text, and I've for that reason adviced that you hire an Edo translator if you must reply. Another fundamental problem you have is taking information from your imaginary playmates (jo-jo, mi-mi, fi-fi, and others.) and passing off those information on nairaland as though you read them from some history books. No, everyone already knows you're an illiterate who don't read. Illiterates have nothing to cite from. Illiterates are afraid of reading. You are passionate about defending your 2by2 kingdom (just like anyone should about their kingdom), but the big obstacle for you remains your illiteracy. You can't possibly defend anything with yoir empty schizophrenic skull. It just cant happen. Stop saying illiteracy is just a little problem. No it's not. Buy your first book today and read. That way you will have something to cite from. It will also help you to slow down on taking information from your imaginary playmates. It may also be the panacea you need for your schizophrenia disorder, who knows? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 9:39am On May 08, 2020 |
davidnazee:
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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 9:47am On May 08, 2020 |
Wow, Ife is so great that some people famz Ife by force by fire. Why would kingdoms (including in as far away as Ghana) be so desperate to famz Ife as suggested by R.C.C. Law?? Can't remember anyone famzing the 2by2 Benin kingdom 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 1:35pm On May 08, 2020 |
TAO11: Please what’s the meaning of famzing? Does it mean lies and fabrications? Because the article posted by greyboy shows most stories around Ife are lies and fabrications. I think everyone remembers this 2by2 Benin conquering and ruling your 4by4 Yoruba for many centuries. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 1:45pm On May 08, 2020 |
TAO11: Loser lol. Your claim of Ife reaching up to the East River Niger is a lie because no tribe east of Ife (except Yoruba) has the name Ife in their history or ever heard the name before. Ife is a new story to them. Can u list the names of Benin territories Ibadan raided that is not Yoruba? Please please can you just say the name of your Yoruba Kingdom of origin and if your traditional history tells of a time when Ife ruled your kingdom. Please don’t say Bradbury said Ife was powerful at a time. Tell me what your grandma or grandpa or elderly person told u. Afterall elderly people from eastern Yorubalands can narrate accurately about the time when Great Benin was Lord and master over their territories. So older persons around u should be able to say something so ask them if u don’t know. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 1:46pm On May 08, 2020 |
davidnazee: Was oyo really an empire that's the question
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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 2:15pm On May 08, 2020 |
gregyboy: The timeline in the article is when Oyo was supposedly a powerful empire but yet the Yoruba Kingdoms Oyo was Lord over are denying such relationship existed. Same will be the case for Ife if such question was asked the Yoruba Kingdoms Ife supposedly ruled over according to TAO11. Oyo even have stories with timeline of events and relationships with other kingdoms around it. Nothing like that for Ife. No Kingdom will ever say Ife ruled over it or it paid tributes or gifts to Ife. Not even TAO11 can confidently say Ife ruled his/her tiny kingdom of origin. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 3:47pm On May 08, 2020 |
davidnazee: Hahaha loser trying to call others loser to save face. (1) At no point did I claim that Ife ruled from River Niger to Southern Togo. Rather I cited historical reference. I don't expect an illiterate like you to know the difference between my personal claim and a historical reference. (2) Your Edo brothers raided by Ibadan within your Benin Kingdom: Osi, Ebune, Ugbosi, Ososo, Ibilo, Ekpessa, Lankpese, Ibiekuma, Ekor, and Ekpe, among several others. The Ibadan crushed the army of Benin Kingdom responsible for its western defence against external aggression. I'm glad you humbly asked for this list. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 3:58pm On May 08, 2020 |
davidnazee: Oh never mind ... I will answer your questions. I understand how thick your skull is. An example of famzing is how you all claimed that it was your Benin Obas who sold you all cheap and fabricated a connection with Ife by force by fire. No, everyone remembers how Ibadan raided Benin Kingdom for slaves long before the Nupes too later came in to conquer those same regions of Benin Kingdom from your Obas. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 4:02pm On May 08, 2020 |
TAO11: Hahahaha.. u don go find names of Edo towns lol. anyways no need for the Ibadan story because it’s nonsense. Please can you answer my question about Ife Kingdom rule over your tiny Yoruba Kingdom of origin? U said Ife reigned during 12th to 15th empire, that’s not too far in time to forget details. So during that period can u describe Ife rule or subjugation of your own kingdom if it really did? From the size of Ife u described, ur own tiny kingdom was inside that expanse. BTW, I just talked to my Yoruba friend from ondo and asked him if Benin ruled Ondo he said yes. I asked him if Ife also ruled Ondo he said no. But for ur sake I argued with him that Ife indeed ruled Ondo but he said he has never heard about Ife ruling anywhere. But since you say Ife ruled ur own kingdom I’m waiting to hear details about that rule.. I don’t think u are too dumb (tho u are dumb) to understand my question. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 4:08pm On May 08, 2020 |
davidnazee: Ife ruled from Southern Togo to River Niger --- S.P. Blier. But unfortunately your 5 kilobyte schizophrenic brain does not come with map processing features. Otherwise you would have realized that all Yoruba kingdoms (including your 2by2 kingdom) fall under Ife's rule. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 4:17pm On May 08, 2020 |
TAO11: That is why I’m asking u (since ur tiny kingdom also falls within Ife rule) for details of Ife rule over you. If I ask an Ekiti man about Benin rule over them I believe he will discuss Benin’s wars, trade and administration over them. You can do the same with Ife rule over ur kingdom.. afterall 12th to 15th centuries is not too far to forget details. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 4:41pm On May 08, 2020 |
davidnazee: (1) I'm glad you agreed those are Edo settlements within your 2by2 kingdom as mentioned by R.E. Bradbury. But what do I expect from an illiterate? An illiterate would obviously say something like: tHaT LiSt iS nOnsEnSe and Bradbury is aNoThEr YoRuBa bIgOt. (2) (a) Ife was a power from 900CE to 1400CE. (b) The height of its power was from 1100 to 1400 (c) The geography of its power is from Southern Togo to The River Niger. At this point, I have to remind you that I am not to blame for your geography deficiency if you insist in being ignorant of the fact that all Yoruba kingdoms (including your 2by2 kingdom) was under this geography. (3) Oh you spoke to your friend from Ondo!! Hurray!!!!! You finally cited a scholar. I actually overestimated you brain capacity when I said it was 5KB. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 4:51pm On May 08, 2020 |
davidnazee: You denied that Ife ruled all Yoruba Kingdoms and your 2by2 kingdom. Evidence was cited to the effect that all Yoruba Kingdoms (including your 2by2 kingdom) was ruled by Ife. Instead of covering your face in shame for being an illiterate, you went on cunningly asking for personal details about me. Is your 5KB brain partly rotten or fully rotten, Mr illiterate?? The only engagement I remember between Benin and Ekiti is when Benin engaged one small Ekiti settlement namely: Otun-Ekiti. Benin Kingdom was so badly dealt with that almost all Benin's top military commanders lost their lives. Guess what!? Your 2by2 kingdom unilaterally by itself initiated a peace pact with Otun-Ekiti after the devastating defeat. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 5:22pm On May 08, 2020 |
TAO11: After using copy and paste to pretend u are widely read and knowledgeable just one simple question exposed your true self which is, not well read, limited in knowledge and intellectually deficient lol. Now you feel small because there’s nothing to copy and paste about Ife lol. I just asked an Ijesa man if indeed Ife ruled his kingdom. He only replied “maybe in the past” but he is not sure. 2 Yorubas have denied Ife rule over them. Don’t worry after I have gone through a lot of Yoruba Kingdoms, we (u and me) will start our discussion of mythical ife greatness again. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 5:58pm On May 08, 2020 |
davidnazee: Copy and paste to pretend to be widely read?? You mean I should have made-up those quotations and references rather than use the same exact words?? Wow! It's so funny engaging an illiterate. Oh, you asked an Ijesa man also?? Hurray!!!! You finally cited your 2nd scholar. I think your brain capacity must be somewhere between 0.1KB and 3KB ... I overestimated your brain capacity earlier, I'm sorry. Also, you seem to have gone mute about the devastating defeat your 2by2 kingdom suffered at the hands of Otun-Ekiti. You also didn't say pim about the defeat of your Kingdom at the hands of Ibadan.
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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 6:11pm On May 08, 2020 |
TAO11: Poor you... copy and paste master ( or mistress). |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 6:38pm On May 08, 2020 |
davidnazee: Poor you ... illiterate with nothing to cite from. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 7:09pm On May 08, 2020 |
TAO11: Cite an article about whose history?? Mine? I don’t need to cite anything regarding my history because my history is not a whisper or filled with riddles or confusion. Also I have nothing to cite about Ife because there’s actually nothing about Ife. That’s why I’m asking Yorubas individuals and I asked 3 so far and all denied Ife. They proudly defended their kingdoms while denying Ife rule. And I ask you again do u have anything or heard anything from elders in your own kingdom that recounts Ife rule over them?? |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 7:22pm On May 08, 2020 |
davidnazee: Since you've just admited being an illiterate with nothing to cite from, then you should stop making stuffs up. No, your imaginary playmates (effect of your schizophrenia) denied Ife, not Yorubas. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 7:28pm On May 08, 2020 |
TAO11: Lol. Truth hurts Okay since u refuse to understand my question even if it’s written in the simplest of English I will try again.. Have you ever heard in your own tiny Yoruba Kingdom folklore from YOUR ELDERS that Ife once subjugated and ruled your people? I will increase the timeline from 12th to 15th centuries to anytime in history. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 7:33pm On May 08, 2020 |
davidnazee: Yes I know the truth hurts you. But I have no plans to stop dishing it anytime soon. 1 Share
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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 7:49pm On May 08, 2020 |
TAO11:one woman Mopol. U are dangerous. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 7:50pm On May 08, 2020 |
Moneywomen17: Hahahah ... dem be my pikin. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 7:52pm On May 08, 2020 |
TAO11:lol u see wetin gregboy post regarding oyo. That boy is deluded. “Was oyo really an empire” lol |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 7:56pm On May 08, 2020 |
Moneywomen17: Delusions is actually not unique to gregyboy. It's a Bini thing. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by Moneywomen17(m): 8:02pm On May 08, 2020 |
TAO11:every historian know that oyo was an empire or does gregboy not know what empire means. Oyo was the strongest empire in its region. |
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