Moneywomen17:
every historian know that oyo was an empire or does gregboy not know what empire means. Oyo was the strongest empire in its region.

Gregyboy knows himself to be a joke. He once admitted it.

TAO11:


Gregyboy knows himself to be a joke. He once admitted it.

You still refuse to answer my question..

davidnazee:


You still refuse to answer my question..

Yaay! Hurray!!! The widely acclaimed illiterate finally cites a scholar.




Also, your insanely moronic question has been answered multiple times. For details, you should refer to R. Horton's "Ancient Ife" where he discussed all the Phases Ife has undergone.

I have once humiliated you before for once attaching a self-refuting screenshot of a page from that work, so you can't pretend to be unaware of what work I'm talking about.

You may also refer to S. A. Akintoye's "A History of the Yoruba People" where he dedicated the whole of "Chapter 5" to discussing what is entitled the "Primacy of Ife: Eleventh to Fifteenth Century"

Or is at an abomination if you read, Mr illiterate??

TAO11:


Yaay! Hurray!!! The widely acclaimed illiterate finally cites a scholar.

Yea u can call him a scholar like u call small Ife an empire. It’s a Yoruba man denying Ife ruled his kingdom or even great lol.

davidnazee:


Yea u can call him a scholar like u call small Ife an empire. It’s a Yoruba man denying Ife ruled his kingdom or even great lol.

Are you gradually turning your back on your scholar --- your authority??

Moreover, even though he is no authority, he never denied Ife ruling over Ijesa.

You are such a fatuous-wide-smelly-mouthed-liar.


He is a scholar to you just as gregyboy saying your Obas sold you all cheap to Ife by fabricating the Ife-Benin connection for cheap political gains makes gregyboy a scholar.

Me:
Ife ruled over the 2by2 kingdom --- aka Benin Kingdom.

The Illiterate:
That's nOt tRuE.

Me:
Cites S.P. Blier, cites R. Horton, among several others historical authorities.

The Illiterate:
Those are yOrUbAs. They're lying.

Me:
Provide your evidence to the contrary.

The Illiterate:
You know I don't read. So, that's an unfair request.


Me:
I won't say a word.

TAO11:
Me:
Ife ruled over the 2by2 kingdom --- aka Benin Kingdom.

The Illiterate:
That's nOt tRuE.

Me:
Cites S.P. Blier, cites R. Horton, among several others historical authorities.

The Illiterate:
Those are yOrUbAs. They're lying.

Me:
Provide your evidence to the contrary.

The Illiterate:
You know I don't read. So, that's an unfair request.


Me:
I won't say a word.

u wicked.

Moneywomen17:
u wicked.

No she is just fooling herself as well as you too


A fellow yoruba who aint bigoted had pointed out truth from myth



Samuk
Valirex
Ghostwon
AreaFada2
Sarah20A

Binis have finally being citing their "scholars" today.

Gregyboy just cited his.



I am indeed wicked. I am the war. I am the battle. I am the liquid metal. I am indabosky.

TAO11:
Binis have finally being citing their "scholars" today.

Gregyboy just cited his.



I am indeed wicked. I am the war. I am the battle. I am the liquid metal. I am indabosky.

And you are also a clown as well

Have you cooked up any new story about your tiny Ife again?

gregyboy:


No she is just fooling herself as well as you too

A fellow yoruba who aint bigoted had pointed out truth from myth
Samuk
Valirex
Ghostwon
AreaFada2
Sarah20A

Of course the Yoruba had to try uniting after the destructive wars between the peoples now called Yoruba (Yoruba as given by Islamic people). Before that they were Awori, Owo, Ekiti, Egba, Oyo, Ife, Ondo, etc. Aside Oyo towards in the late 1600s, non had any considerable reach. That was long after Benin Empire was blossoming from 1440s.

However, Crowther being British-educated saw how all over the place their histories were. Unlike Benin well-documented by the Portuguese, Dutch, French and the British already.

The one they now parrot as Organe or is it organic matter ( ) is even purported to have been told the Europeans by Benin people. Others say Organe or whatever his name was in Kogi or is it in even Niger State. Despite Crowther's effort and lifted by Johnson some 50 years later, the stories are still very watery. It seems if Benin had said there was some place or someone called Bacteria or Parasite , they'd be parroting same right now.

You mentioned Oba Eweka II erroneously buying into Ododuwa/Oranmiyan myth (if I am not mistaken), try to remember a few things.

He was an Oba under immense pressure from various directions. From powerful chiefs in Benin, Benin people, former territories sucking up to the British to break free and curry favour AND from the British who never liked the reach of Benin Empire, a stumbling block to their divide and rule tactics and imperial ambitions in Niger Area. At least since 1840s in Lagos, the British seriously had in in for Benin Empire. By first taking Lagos.

By 1914, Eweka II had to give up Benin territorial rights just to get the monarch restored. It took a lot of struggle and petitions to Westminster/Privy Councer in London. That the monarchy remained in Eweka I dynasty is due to the uniqueness of Benin people and monarchy. Anywhere else in Nigeria, the British would have got a stooge prince to become Oba between 1897 and 1914 when Oba Ovonramwen joined the ancestors.

The British physically stooped tribute bearers from Akure to Eweka II coronation in Benin. With a stern warning never to bring any tributes ever again.

Over 100 years is more than enough to twist history in favour of the beneficiaries of British rule.

Then Benin was forced into Western due to population politics and convenience for the British.

What Benin has achieved in maintaining our history and culture despite both local envious entities and machinations by the British is unparalleled. It shows just how old, deep-rooted and extremely well-established our culture and monarch are.

davidnazee:


And you are also a clown as well

Have you cooked up any new story about your tiny Ife again?

I think in addition to being schizophrenic and autistic you also have Down syndrome.

After admitting to having nothing upstairs as an illiterate, yet you think you can magically defend "2by2".

Being an illiterate, how would you defend the 2by2kingdom?? With what??

TAO11:


I think in addition to being schizophrenic and autistic you also have Down syndrome.

After admitting to having nothing upstairs as an illiterate, yet you think you can magically defend "2by2".

Being an illiterate, how would you defend the 2by2kingdom?? With what??

another clowinsh talk from you.. nothing u say makes sense even if it was a dot

I'm still waiting to hear stories from your folkore about when ife conquered and ruled your tiny yoruba kingdom of origin..
don;t tell me what bradbury told you... tell me what your traditional folklore told u about Ife's conquest..

davidnazee:


another clowinsh talk from you.. nothing u say makes sense even if it was a dot

I'm still waiting to hear stories from your folkore about when ife conquered and ruled your tiny yoruba kingdom of origin..
don;t tell me what bradbury told you... tell me what your traditional folklore told u about Ife's conquest..

Why are you stealing my line which I once used to ridicule and humiliate you??

This really proves that I actually got to you when I used that line against you. E enter die

Refer to the last references I gave you to read traditional folklores.

Abi na abomination for your lineage if you open book read??

TAO11:


Why are you stealing my line which I once used to ridicule and humiliate you??

This really proves that I actually got to you when I used that line against you. E enter die

Refer to the last references I gave you to read traditional folklores.

Abi na abomination for your lineage if you open book read??

And all the books you and your lineage will open and read will always tell u fascinating stories about Great Benin history and nothing of your tiny Ife.

davidnazee:


And all the books you and your lineage will open and read will always tell u fascinating stories about Great Benin history and nothing of your tiny Ife.

Ife ruled over the 2by2 kingdom (aka Benin Kingdom) from the 1100s to the late 1400s.

All history books says that!

Don't be afraid, read those recommended books.

Or is it an abomination in your lineage to read?

TAO11:


Ife ruled over the 2by2 kingdom (aka Benin Kingdom) from the 1100s to the late 1400s.

All history books says that!

Don't be afraid, read those recommended books.

Or is it an abomination in your lineage to read?

And will all Yorubas kingdoms agree tiny Ife ruled them between 1100s to the late 1400s?
Charity should begin from home.

Do you also fight people from Nupe, Fulanis, Dahomey and Igbos? Because just like Great Benin they also conquered Yorubas although Great Benin conquered more..

davidnazee:


And will all Yorubas kingdoms agree tiny Ife ruled them between 1100s to the late 1400s?
Charity should begin from home.

Do you also fight people from Nupe, Fulanis, Dahomey and Igbos? Because just like Great Benin they also conquered Yorubas although Great Benin conquered more..

Dive into the references I gave you. You will find how Great Ife rule over your 2by2 kingdom and other great Yoruba Kingdoms of the period.


Get those materials and read them or have someone translate them into Edo language for you.

TAO11:


Dive into the references I gave you. You will find how Great Ife rule over your 2by2 kingdom and other great Yoruba Kingdoms of the period.


Get those materials and read them or have someone translate them into Edo language for you.

I checked those books u mentioned but details about Ife are all assumptions.. Ife is said to be a village where Yorubas say they came from. No greatness and was from the 1100s a small village living in fear of the small Yoruba Kingdoms around it and my 2by2 Kingdom conquered and subjugated your ancestors for centuries.

davidnazee:


I checked those books u mentioned but details about Ife are all assumptions.. Ife is said to be a village where Yorubas say they came from. No greatness and was from the 1100s a small village living in fear of the small Yoruba Kingdoms around it and my 2by2 Kingdom conquered and subjugated your ancestors for centuries.

Post a photograph you took of of the relevant pages of one of those books as a proof that you ain't simply doing what you do best --- that is, lying through your teeth as usual.


Moreover, you already admitted to how young Ibadan decimated your 2by2 Kingdom.

TAO11:


Post a photograph you took of of the relevant pages of one of those books as a proof that you ain't simply doing what you do best --- that is, lying through your teeth as usual.


Moreover, you already admitted to how young Ibadan decimated your 2by2 Kingdom.

I see you have the picture of your Mighty conqueror (Oba of Benin)..
do u look at it in awe and admire the glory around him?

davidnazee:


I see you have the picture of your Mighty conqueror (Oba of Benin)..
do u look at it in awe and admire the glory around him?

No I keep pictures of clowns as Nairaland memes, even though I don't know who they are.

Who is IT??

And you haven't answered the prior request.

Don't runaway as usual like a weak Benin coward conquered by Ibadan.

TAO11:


No I keep picture of clowns as Nairaland meme, even though I don't know who they are.

Who is IT??

And you haven't answered the prior request.

Don't runaway as usual like a weak Benin coward conquered by Ibadan.

The Edos are not known to be weak or losers, unlike the Yorubas generally regarded as cowards.. well I won't say a thing about what people already known i will just keep quiet

davidnazee:


The Edos are not known to be weak or losers, unlike the Yorubas generally regarded as cowards.. well I won't say a thing about what people already known i will just keep quiet

How would you then explain how baby Ibadan decimated your 2by2 Benin Kingdom which you admitted??

How would you explain how you've been scared to death to address the foregoing assignment you've been challenged on??

How??

TAO11:


How would you then explain how baby Ibadan decimated your 2by2 Benin Kingdom which you admitted??

How would you explain how you've been scared to death to address the foregoing assignment you've been challenged on??

How??

I know u will never know how it feels to be descended from warriors.. just like I don't know how it feels to be descended from a conquered tribe.. is it that sad feeling that is tearing u apart.. eating you up?
The Mighty Kingdom of Benin was the most advanced and powerful kingdom, conquering and subjugating its Eastern Yoruba neigbors for hundreds of years.. I didn't make it up, I saw it in the numerous books you recomended..

davidnazee:


I know u will never know how it feels to be descended from warriors.. just like I don't know how it feels to be descended from a conquered tribe.. is it that sad feeling that is tearing u apart.. eating you up?
The Mighty Kingdom of Benin was the most advanced and powerful kingdom, conquering and subjugating its Eastern Yoruba neigbors for hundreds of years.. I didn't make it up, I saw it in the numerous books you recomended..

2by2 Warriors that were decimated by ordinary baby Ibadan??

Why are you making this even worse for your 2by 2 kingdom.

Moreover, you just fled from a challenge, and that fact alone is reminiscent of how Ibadan scattered your people in all directions.

Is it how small Otun-Ekiti dealt with your 2by2 Benin Kingdom you want me to talk about?

Or how little Owo scattered your 2by2 benin army on at least 2 different occassion.

You've obviously chopped too much lies from your elders over there in 2by2.

TAO11:


2by2 Warriors that were decimated by ordinary baby Ibadan??

Why are you making this even worse for your 2by 2 kingdom.

Moreover, you just fled from a challenge, and that fact alone is reminiscent of how Ibadan scattered your people in all directions.

Is it how small Otun-Ekiti dealt with your 2by2 Benin Kingdom you want me to talk about?

Or how little Owo scattered your 2by2 benin army on at least 2 different occassion.

You've obviously chopped too much lies from your elders over there in 2by2.

any lie to boost your weak ego.. carry on.

TAO11:


Baby Ibadan raided and decimated your 2by2 kingdom.

What do you have to say to this?

Your article says Ibadan raided border villages close to Yorubalands which is not even certain like the article also mentioned..
however you can see how conquest is carried out in the article below.. It gives exact details and dates and how the Benin armies decimated and depopulated your ancestors..
You don;t get details like this about your tiny Ife village.

Please which part of Yoruba are you from? I may have aricles describing how my ancestors destroyed your village and took your rulers head..

TAO11:


Shut up liar and stop lying through your teeth.


No where does the article say neighbouring villages.

It clearly mentions them by name to be EDO settlements within your 2by2 Benin Kingdom

I guess your Kingdom is not limited to the palace in Benin city, right?



And regarding your fake attachment, I have shown how Otun-Ekiti, Owo (to mention a few) dealt with your 2by2 kingdom.

Ibadan placed the crown on the earlier defeat.

Even Nupe too came and did their own.

What a pity to the 2by2 Benin Kingdom!!

My attachment is fake beacuse it hurts.. Is any of the conquered kingdoms in my attachment you kingdom of origin? dont be shy to admit the obvious.. which of the conquered kingdom is yours?
it is; Igbara-Odo or Ilawe? or is it Ifaki or Iworoko? maybe its either Eyio, Esure, Are, Iworoko, Uyin, Igede, Awo and Esure, Oke Asha.. Or it could probably be any of Ilu-Omoba or Aisegba, Agbado, Igbemo..
or was any of these headless yoruba rulers from your village kingdom?
Ewi Idagunmodo (1696-1710), Ewi Okinbaloye Aritawekun (1710-1722), Ewi Amono Ola (1722-1762), Ewi Afunbiowo (1762-1781), Ewi Akulojuorun (1781-1808), Ewi Aroloye (1808-1836)

I know you are pained and I'm glad you feel the pain lol..