sinkhole:
In Ghana, the average salary of a Professor is about $1300 per month.
According to IPPIS table Nigerian Professor has about $850 per month.
We should just not talk about countries like South Africa at all!

Xuxu208:


I can talk about it because I have experienced it first hand, SA professors' salaries are nothing to write home about compared to their country's cost of living. Most doctors in public hospitals in South Africa earn WAY more than SA professors Fyi....

olawalepopoola:
It is unfortunate that we are in this mess.
I have a lecturer friend in FUTA and while discussing with him, he said his basic salary plus his allowances amounts to 140,000 as an assistant lecturer.
As a lecturer 2 in a private University in Nigeria I earn 130,000 monthly without allowances.
My questions are;
1. If the table is correct, why is it not showing their allowances e.g. hazard allowance, car allowance and the rest. I believe in every payslip, this is broken down.
2. With this peanut, how do you except breakthrough research when most lecturers use their 'gross' income to pay for article publications in gold open access journals.
China made landmarks in researches not because their scientists are only good, but because their government gave priority to research.
In China you are paid RMB100,000 for publishing in a 1 impact factor SCI journal. They have alot of research funding agencies (how many do we have in Nigeria).
Even a PhD student allowance in China is greater than that of a Professor in Nigeria.
In Nigeria, we don't have functional laboratories. As a Geologist, we don't trust data coming from Nigerian labs because they might have been doctored. We send our samples mostly to ACTLAB or ACME labs in Canada. This is ridiculous I believe.
Compared to Universities in Namibia, Nigerian Professors are paid an Assistant Lecturer salary in that country. Why do you think our best scholars are leaving the shores of this nation. If I have the opportunity too, I will run for my dear life.

Some complained that some lecturers teach in more than 2 public Universities. Firstly, I want you to know the basic requirements for teaching in a University is a PhD. It is because of dearth of PhD holders that this happen in Nigeria. To gain full accreditation, you need to have more of PhD holders on your team than just misters with M. Sc. Many fields lack these degree holders. Getting a PhD in Nigeria is a nightmare except you are favoured by God.

Aftermath of this ASUU protest.
1. Each University will be forced to look inwards to meet their needs. School fees will be sky rocketed. I forsee Universities students paying up 400,000K per session in not too distant future.

Nigeria is in shambles only God can help us.

Xuxu208:


"Getting a PhD in Nigeria is a nightmare except you are favoured by God." Whose fault is that?

Xuxu208:


I can talk about it because I have experienced it first hand, SA professors' salaries are nothing to write home about compared to their country's cost of living. Most doctors in public hospitals in South Africa earn WAY more than SA professors Fyi....

proffemi:


I must be joking? ASUU only goes on strike for remuneration?

No, I'm not, and no, they do not.

I have just one word for you: TETFUND.

It is one of the most innovative funding strategies for tertiary education anywhere in the world. FYI: It is the result of a bitter ASUU strike, is 100% ASUU's brainchild, and the ONLY reason public tertiary education has not totally collapsed. Peep like you like wailing about imperfections in the system when it is government's irresponsibility that caused those imperfections. The "little" the universities have, for which you are complaining so bitterly, is only due to ASUU's struggles. Please be informed.

I've never said ASUU are saints, and on this very site, I have stated my occasional disagreement with the union. But anyone who tries to paint the union as the main problem with tertiary education in Nigeria has to be ret^rded.



Look at the rubbish this one is typing. The ignoramuses are the ones who love to pontificate.
Bros, ASUU's strike actions have always been geared towards securing at least 10 to 100 times more for things things you listed than for their remuneration.
Get informed so you can make sensible points please.

Austine1212:


Thats a lie

proffemi:


So that is the only thing worth addressing in his post?
Some of you don't approach issues with an open mind or a willingness to be informed.

Xuxu208:


Prove it or hold your peace.

Xuxu208:


Wow, your response full of Ad Hominen attacks say it all.

If you're really a Nigerian academic, you're proof positive that ASUU is a cesspit; why can't you make your point without throwing insults around? Probably because you could not deny/defend the assertions I made. What has the TETFUND being used for? Over 20 years after graduating from a public university in Lagos, things have only gone from bad to worse; no seats lefts in lecture halls, the same obsolete lab materials and machines that have been there for over 4 decades still remain, the hostels are in shambles, etc. So tell me, what has your TEFUND has been used for? Also, like I asked before, students now pay lots of money at these varsities (unlike what obtained during my time when I paid less than #2000 for the 5 years I was at school) , and yet still nothing has changed, where does all the money go?

Xuxu208:
What has the TETFUND being used for? Over 20 years after graduating from a public university in Lagos, things have only gone from bad to worse; no seats lefts in lecture halls, the same obsolete lab materials and machines that have been there for over 4 decades still remain, the hostels are in shambles, etc. So tell me, what has your TEFUND been used for?

Also, like I asked before, students now pay lots of money at these varsities (unlike what obtained during my time when I paid less than #2000 for the 5 years I was at school), and yet still nothing has changed, where does all the money go?

proffemi:


Ad hominem? Do you even know what ad hominem means, buster? Pointing out ignorance is not an ad hominem attack, especially when my points fully exposed your lack of qualification to debate this issue!

I can understand why you have such a dim view of Nigerian lecturers since your own blood was such a corrupt academic. Well, people like him don't belong in this system, and they wouldn't if the FG had taken education seriously enough to attract brilliant youngblood academics who would obsolete his arse asap.

In any case, the existence of people like your relative is no reason to assume all lecturers are like him. Can you mention one profession in Nigeria that does not have its fair share of bad eggs? So why should the existence of bad eggs make you pooh pooh the efforts of the majority of academics? Academics who have been in the trenches fighting a recalcitrant FG likely before you were in diapers; many of whom sacrificed a lot just to do this job under the criminal conditions provided by the FG and (former) students like you who think Nigerian youths are paying too much for education, even though you claim to know what obtains in SA?

Well, you should try to educate yourself on this topic before attempting to engage people literally spilling blood to defend the tertiary education system. Start from this random page, to understand that students are not "paying lots of money" : https://dailypost.ng/2018/09/27/ASUU-rejects-proposed-hiking-university-fees-fgs-chief-negotiator/

If you are sincere, you have a lot to learn on this subject, even though you think your limited experience and bias give you a good vantage point. If you have real questions, I will answer them, no matter how long it takes. I never mind spending time to educate a sincerely curious mind, but I dislike aggressive ignorance with a passion.

proffemi:


I will assume this is a real question from a mind seeking to know. Well, bros, I don't know your alma mater, and more to the point, whether it qualifies to enjoy TETFUND intervention. But walk into any federal university today, and I guarantee that there would be brand new buildings. I also guarantee that at least 80 % of those buildings were funded by TETFUND. Those are the most visible impacts of TETFUND. The labs you keep talking about: they are also regularly upgraded.


From the link I sent you, hope you realize that students are not paying lots of money. It is funny that you don't realize that your testimony points to the problem. A country (and graduates) that feel they should boast about getting a first degree at N2000 is a country that has no idea what it is worth. But you said you know what obtains in SA nao; what is the typical tuition rate in SA??

Xuxu208:


Wow, you keep digging yourself in deeper...smh Here is the meaning of Ad Hominen copied and pasted; "adjective
adjective: ad hominem

(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"an ad hominem response"

adverb
adverb: ad hominem

1.
in a way that is directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"these points come from some of our best information sources, who realize they'll be attacked ad hominem"
So, now what? Once again, you've not only engaged in the same tactics but proven that ASUU and those who constitute it are not only rude, and uncouth but not particularly intelligent or able to think outside the box, hence the reason why they are so redundant. What made you arrive at the conclusion that the person I spoke about is a blood relative; one can only be related to a person by blood? And the person I speak of was in fact the opposite and got forced out of the deanship because he tried to change the corrupt status quo that had been operating forever at his faculty, now what have you got say?

Last but not least, once again for the umpteenth time, do tell us what your TETFUND has been used for so far as well as where the substantial tuition paid by students end up.

Xuxu208:
And the person I speak of was in fact the opposite and got forced out of the deanship because he tried to change the corrupt status quo that had been operating forever at his faculty, now what have you got say?

proffemi:


I will assume this is a real question from a mind seeking to know. Well, bros, I don't know your alma mater, and more to the point, whether it qualifies to enjoy TETFUND intervention. But walk into any federal university today, and I guarantee that there would be brand new buildings. I also guarantee that at least 80 % of those buildings were funded by TETFUND. Those are the most visible impacts of TETFUND. The labs you keep talking about: they are also regularly upgraded.


From the link I sent you, hope you realize that students are not paying lots of money. It is funny that you don't realize that your testimony points to the problem. A country (and graduates) that feel they should boast about getting a first degree at N2000 is a country that has no idea what it is worth. But you said you know what obtains in SA nao; what is the typical tuition rate in SA??

sinkhole:
I tried some searches and found that the average salary of lecturers in South Africa is around $806.08 per month.
According to the table put up there, the average salary of lecturers in Nigeria is around $487.02 per month!
I understand that you used general wages in SA as your benchmark but given the opportunities Nigerian academicians will always wish to be in SA.

proffemi:

What I have to say to this is: mention the Faculty. There is absolutely no reason not to.
Edit: this is the only way we can verify that there is any truth in what you're saying.

Xuxu208:


Good, now research the cost of living in both places and bring us your results.

sinkhole:
OK, one more question for you too.
How many South African lecturers do you have in Nigeria and how many Nigerian lecturers do you have in South Africa?
The answer will tell you the impact of that difference in wages.

Xuxu208:

My Alma mater is a federal university and the last time I went, the only new building I saw was, of all things, a church! The said University still held a fundraising dinner where they were begging alumni for donations and instead of holding this function in the school premises chose to use a an expensive hotel hall as venue, typical. Why is this, if you have a TETFUND?

With regards to the labs, absolutely NOTHING has changed and in fact a department had their accreditation withdrawn due to the substandard materials/equipment and teaching.

The link did not mention how much is being paid now; care to share it? And no matter how little it is, all I want you to tell me is where it all goes? Why are you now engaging in straw man arguments?

I mentioned the amount I paid not as a boast but as a way of showing that it is unjustifiable that students who pay way more than I did should be subjected to the same or worse conditions than I experienced.

Before I give the typical tuition rate in SA why don't you compare the research output as well as the ranking of SA universities to that of Nigerian federal universities and put up your results here?

I'm done wasting my time talking to someone of your ilk, all you have just proven is that my view of most Nigerian academics as the most despicable sector of the society is completely justified.

Xuxu208:

Nice try, so you and your fellow corrupt university administrators can victimize the person involved?

Xuxu208:
The Nigerian academics who have what it takes have all left for greener pastures, most of the ones that remain are the redundant ones with little or nothing to show...

proffemi:

Oh no, we have not.
You and your ignorant ilk are fortunate to still have people like us in this system, fighting against all odds to create the semblance of a sensible university system.

proffemi:


Why should he be victimized because one ignoramus is running his mouth on the Internet? Either shows you know nothing about how universities actually operate, or more likely, that you are a liar.

Xuxu208:


We don't need your kind and here's what I just found on Youtube that buttresses my and other people's point about the kind of scumbags Nigerian universities are full of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we-F0Gi0Lqs;(Sex for Grades: undercover inside Nigerian and Ghanaian universities - BBC Africa Eye documentary) absolutely disgraceful! BTW why are you such a copy dog using the very same word I used for you? Shows you're one of the redundant so called academics Nigeria doesn't need...smh

BTW why are you such a copy dog using the very same word I used for you? Shows you're one of the redundant so called academics Nigeria doesn't need.

Nice try again, you're so predictable....Tut,tut....Continue to write like the motor park tout that you really are at heart despite your level of education; you can take a man from the bush but you can't take the bush from the man. Hope you enjoy the YouTube video please be sure to share it with your colleagues.....Lol

proffemi:


Okay, we are past the point of diminishing returns now. It seems you're at the level of playground name calling.

Your words have been written, mine have been written. Since you no longer have anything reasonable to say, I have to take my leave.
No amount of irrelevant trash you post will bring me back to this table unless you make a sensible point that deserves a rejoinder.

Xuxu208:


Nice try, so you and your fellow corrupt university administrators can victimize the person involved?

Xuxu208:


Nice try, so you and your fellow corrupt university administrators can victimize the person involved?

ayfat23:
Happy Sunday to everyone