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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:35pm On May 30, 2020
TATIME:

He's just obsessed with arguments and he will give it all it takes to argue with JWs, simply because the Organization doesn't tolerate interfaith! undecided undecided undecided

No matter what any religion teaches, he is OK with them as long as they don't claim to be different! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:37pm On May 30, 2020
Janosky:


Is Archoladey not loyal to the group he belongs?
why you dey get sifia pains when JWs emphasize loyalty to Jehovah's organization ?


Aside criticism of JWs when you all band together, can you confidently say these guys here are on the same page with you in agreement with all your Beliefs about the Bible?

Jehovah's organization keeps forging ahead. Whoever e dey pain,make he cry the more

Let them unite for PEACE to reign in their midst at least! cheesy
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 7:38pm On May 30, 2020
TATIME:

He's just obsessed with arguments and he will give it all it takes to argue with JWs, simply because the Organization doesn't tolerate interfaith! undecided undecided undecided

Sorry ooo awon ti ko TOLERATE inter-faith. Should I ask you, do you and those wey dey INTER-FAITH both call on JESUS the perfecter and finisher of our FAITH. What thou sayeth TATIME?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 7:51pm On May 30, 2020
achorladey:



Consolation consolation consolation. That post touch you? After all I didn't tell the person that post was meant for not to join the ORGANIZATION grin grin grin

Jehovah's Organization is real and moving forward, Everyone led by Jehovah belongs there.
1 Corinthians 3:23. John 17:3. John 20:17.

Your story story changes NOTHING
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 7:58pm On May 30, 2020
Janosky:


Jehovah's Organization is real and moving forward, Everyone led by Jehovah belongs there.
1 Corinthians 3:23. John 17:3. John 20:17.

Your story story changes NOTHING


More consolation.

1 Corinthians 3:23 those that belongs to CHRIST without belonging to the JW org are they equally led by God? We go see if you believe that Bible you cited now grin grin grin


You know it changes nothing your first response to it agitated you that much. CONSOLATION
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 8:05pm On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

I have been asking them too o. Instead of just honourably keeping quiet or better still admit the conflict as something as an individual cannot do anything against.

The omition is a serious flaw in their doctrine for it affirms they are not sure of Jesus is just a mere god or God!

There is no flaw there because John 1:18 " No man has seen God at anytime"
Emphasis on: Anytime ", this REFUTES your "God in the flesh" FRAUD.
In the context of Greek John 1:1, the Word is a god".
Shade can your word be facing towards You?

You have been shown John1:1Greek interlinear
" The Logos (Word) was facing towards the God"

Your DELUSION is as incurable as HIV. grin grin.

Trinitarians and Bible Translators who knows better than Shadeyinka agreed the NWT John 1:1" the Word is a god " is VERY AUTHENTIC.

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 8:24pm On May 30, 2020
achorladey:



More consolation.

1 Corinthians 3:23 those that belongs to CHRIST without belonging to the JW org are they equally led by God? We go see if you believe that Bible you cited now grin grin grin



Mark 1:13-15, Jesus preached the good news of the kingdom of God.
Jesus Christ is a Jehovah's witness,Acts 3:13 and Isaiah 42:10-12. Rev3:5,12-14..
Jehovah's witnesses is where Jesus belongs. Deal with it. grin grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:39pm On May 30, 2020
Janosky:


Mark 1:13-15, Jesus preached the good news of the kingdom of God.
Jesus Christ is a Jehovah's witness,Acts 3:13 and Isaiah 42:10-12. Rev3:5,12-14..
Jehovah's witnesses is where Jesus belongs. Deal with it. grin grin

That is one thing that shocked me most!
Some twenty years ago one of Jehovah's Witnesses asked me to read the whole of Matthew 10 then try to figure out which group perfectly fit in to what Jesus was saying!

I did and ever since then i can't stop thinking about Jehovah's Witnesses, at first i started reasoning that they made it all up to form their group in harmony with the chapter or it's just a coincidence, until i began asking my Maleem questions about Jehovah's Witnesses, all he could say is "they're one group that's giving Islam the greatest headache because it's so difficult to refute their teachings and rule of conduct"
I struggled to stay away from them but my conscience just won't let me be! undecided
But when i began studying, i related my experience to my Bible conductor, then he told me "Jehovah knows his sheep" but truthfully my brother i never thought i could become a peaceful preacher!

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 8:40pm On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

I see you don't have shame even in defending errors!

According to you, by the rules of English language, Almighty God is referring to the same as Almighty god

In koine Greek, almighty god is also Almighty God. No difference.
English language is translating from the original source, which is Greek language.
The rules of Greek grammatical construction determines what you should translate into English.

IT IS DISHONESTY when you translate my Greek book to English and put down what I NEVER said in Greek.

You are A VERY DISHONEST Translator when you do so.
The Coptic Sahidic Bible dates back to a period of time closer to the lifetime of Apostle John.
The Sahidic Bible John 1:1 reads " the Word is a god".

Many centuries later, una Trinity FRAUDSTERS change am causing confusion for Una since 19gbidigbidi grin grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 8:51pm On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

I wonder why you are being evasive. The question was

The question is simple:
Is Jesus a Mighty God or Mighty god ?

I didn't ask for the difference between Mighty God and God!
Your question lacks merit because you framed it to distort the fact.- in Hebrew language, Jesus mighty god is Jesus Mighty God.
grin grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 8:53pm On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:


That is one thing that shocked me most!
Some twenty years ago one of Jehovah's Witnesses asked me to read the whole of Matthew 10 then try to figure out which group perfectly fit in to what Jesus was saying!

I did and ever since then i can't stop thinking about Jehovah's Witnesses, at first i started reasoning that they made it all up to form their group in harmony with the chapter or it's just a coincidence, until i began asking my Maleem questions about Jehovah's Witnesses, all he could say is "they're one group that's giving Islam the greatest headache because it's so difficult to refute their teachings and rule of conduct"
I struggled to stay away from them but my conscience just won't let me be! undecided
But when i began studying, i related my experience to my Bible conductor, then he told me "Jehovah knows his sheep" but truthfully my brother i never thought i could become a peaceful preacher!
The clown wan force himself to be Jesus disciple on his own terms.
Wetin Musa no go see for goalpost? grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 9:14pm On May 30, 2020
shadeyinka:

My quote again:

The Jehovah's Witness group actually has two separate Gods
1. God Almighty (Jehovah)
2. Mighty god( Jesus/Angel Michael)
Exo 20:3:
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
"
Which one of the two statements above does not represent the JW teaching
Please just point it/them out and stop throwing tantrums?

Bros, triune is NOT , can NEVER be "me".
Exodus 20:3says you put your Trinity DELUSION for portorportor... grin grin

JWs worship only Jehovah (call him Yahweh, if you like).
JWs cherish Jesus Christ statement in John 17:3, there is Only one true God Almighty.
Jesus Christ admits himself is NOT.

Hebrew Mighty God is a title for man, Jesus, angels and Jehovah too.
It is NOT PROOF of Trinity.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Janosky: 9:18pm On May 30, 2020
Timalt:

Research the religion very carefully.

Goto YouTube, type: exjw,
Search for Australian Royal Commission

I challenge you to bring proof here where you condemned the popular churchpreneur allegedly accused of rape in the recent past.
Hypocrite !
grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 9:34pm On May 30, 2020
Janosky:


Mark 1:13-15, Jesus preached the good news of the kingdom of God.
Jesus Christ is a Jehovah's witness,Acts 3:13 and Isaiah 42:10-12. Rev3:5,12-14..
Jehovah's witnesses is where Jesus belongs. Deal with it. grin grin

1 scripture cited becomes additional 5. Do you believe what you cited was the QUESTION?


Opo ko leyin wonti wonti ko leyin

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 9:44pm On May 30, 2020
Janosky:

The clown wan force himself to be Jesus disciple on his own terms.
Wetin Musa no go see for goalpost? grin

The invitation Christ gave for ONE to be HIS FOLLOWER I believe is based on YOUR TERMS and CONDITIONS abi grin grin grin grin grin

You even add FORCE grin grin grin grin Jesus ti n fi tipa tipa so eniyan di omo eyin cheesy wink cheesy

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 10:07pm On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:


That is one thing that shocked me most!
Some twenty years ago one of Jehovah's Witnesses asked me to read the whole of Matthew 10 then try to figure out which group perfectly fit in to what Jesus was saying!

I did and ever since then i can't stop thinking about Jehovah's Witnesses, at first i started reasoning that they made it all up to form their group in harmony with the chapter or it's just a coincidence, until i began asking my Maleem questions about Jehovah's Witnesses, all he could say is "they're one group that's giving Islam the greatest headache because it's so difficult to refute their teachings and rule of conduct"
I struggled to stay away from them but my conscience just won't let me be! undecided
But when i began studying, i related my experience to my Bible conductor, then he told me "Jehovah knows his sheep" but truthfully my brother i never thought i could become a peaceful preacher!

Since you know JEHOVAH knows his SHEEP why not wait when Jesus come and do the SEPARATION himself.

JEHOVAH knows HIS SHEEP yet you categorically group those that WILL PERISH and you even typed and called some GOATS directly. You must be that JEHOVAH and JESUS grin grin grin

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 10:16pm On May 30, 2020
Janosky:

The clown wan force himself to be Jesus disciple on his own terms.
Wetin Musa no go see for goalpost? grin
They thought it was easy for Jesus' disciples to be associated with the most vilified group of the first century amongst the Jews! cheesy
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 10:18pm On May 30, 2020
achorladey:


Since you know JEHOVAH knows his SHEEP why not wait when Jesus come and do the SEPARATION himself.

JEHOVAH knows HIS SHEEP yet you categorically group those that WILL PERISH and you even typed and called some GOATS directly. You must be that JEHOVAH and JESUS grin grin grin
Our own God differs that's all Sir! cheesy
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by achorladey: 10:21pm On May 30, 2020
Maximus69:

Our own God differs that's all Sir! cheesy

What I now know from the NWT you are familiar with is that you Maximus69 is that JEHOVAH and JESUS

Is the above right or wrong?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 10:40pm On May 30, 2020
Matthew 7:7 cheesy
achorladey:


What I now know from the NWT you are familiar with is that you Maximus69 is that JEHOVAH and JESUS

Is the above right or wrong?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Timalt: 11:11pm On May 30, 2020
Janosky:


I challenge you to bring proof here where you condemned the popular churchpreneur allegedly accused of rape in the recent past.
Hypocrite !
grin

So it is now a case of other churches do evil, so jehovah's witnesses can do evil too? . grin

Your organization is being slapped with Child Sexual Abuse cases left right center at different courts around the world. The number of pedophiles in your midst that has gone unreported to authority is nauseating.

It was because of Court policies that made your organization print a watchtower in 2019 dedicated to child sex abuse in your organization.

Your organization is just as Rotten and vile, even worse it doesn't report these crimes. You only handle it judicially. From the way you barked when I mentioned this, I would not be surprised that you are a pedophile grin cheesy

It is because of your pedophile cases that made you don't preach to children again without their parents permission as your organization used to do before.

grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 6:20am On May 31, 2020
Maximus69:

When you say

god almighty meaning in Yoruba olodumare

Nobody from any tribe on this planet doesn't know the weight of that title!

Pronounce what you have Sir, my grandma can't read nor write but she knows the difference between
Sango~ Yorùbá God
Ogun~ Yorùbá God
Obatala~ Yorùbá God

And Olódùmarè the Almighty God.

Just mentioning the titles Sir is enough for my illiterate grandma, she needs not read it!

For your information, it's this misinterpretations that has kept all of you in the dark till today. So that there is no achievement in the churches of Christendom as regards the fruitage of God's holy spirit!

I thought you waved goodbye earlier, but shame has kept you standing, you can't go again! cheesy


Your grandmother is wise to know that mighty god and mighty God when written in English means different things. The only people who seem not to know are the NWT translators and Maximus.
Your self delusion is irreparable!
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka(m): 6:28am On May 31, 2020
Janosky:

Your question lacks merit because you framed it to distort the fact.- in Hebrew language, Jesus mighty god is Jesus Mighty God.
grin grin
I think we are talking English!
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 6:44am On May 31, 2020
Timalt:


So it is now a case of other churches do evil, so jehovah's witnesses can do evil too? . grin

Your organization is being slapped with Child Sexual Abuse cases left right center at different courts around the world. The number of pedophiles in your midst that has gone unreported to authority is nauseating.

It was because of Court policies that made your organization print a watchtower in 2019 dedicated to child sex abuse in your organization.

Your organization is just as Rotten and vile, even worse it doesn't report these crimes. You only handle it judicially. From the way you barked when I mentioned this, I would not be surprised that you are a pedophile grin cheesy

It is because of your pedophile cases that made you don't preach to children again without their parents permission as your organization used to do before.

grin

May Jehovah's name be sanctified! smiley

See emotional blackmail Tori Olórun! embarassed

Child sex abuse that has become every day news on social media from all sides so only Jehovah's Witnesses Organization is being accused of the same crime shey? cheesy
Well for your information members of Jehovah's Witnesses are normal human like everyone else so whatever accusation you hear amongst people will surely come to members of Jehovah's Witnesses because they are people too!

The prophecy about God's people during the last days said
"God's holy mountain (pure worship) will attract PEOPLE FROM ALL NATIONS and they actually approach God's holy mountain" Now take note of what God's holy mountain will first of all remove from their minds "they will beat their swords into plowshares and their spares into pruning shares, nations will not lift up sword against nations neither will they learn war anymore" Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

@Revelations 7:14 Jesus revealed to John how people from different races will wash their robes and make them white in the blood of the lamb please does the continuous adjective (washing) indicate these people were clean before they approached God or that they were exerting themselves to become clean? Luke 13:24

Well for your information, child sex abuse is a global phenomenon that's experienced in all religions and races Sir, Jehovah's holy spirit is gathering faithful and honest hearted persons (from all the nations) into his Organization, the process of getting themselves clean is not a days job.

But one thing is certain! They have all dropped all their racial prejudice behind, and they will never think of killing one another for any reason whatsoever, unlike Churches of Christendom where Pastors kill Pastors for positions and the killings can't be controlled!

Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 7:05am On May 31, 2020
shadeyinka:

Your grandmother is wise to know that mighty god and mighty God when WRITTEN in English means different things. The only people who seem not to know are the NWT translators and Maximus.
Your self delusion is irreparable!

The underlined should be of help to you Sir because my grandma lived all her life as an illiterate who CANNOT read, so how will she distinguish between two words WRITTEN if not pronounced?

Perhaps your mysterious holy ghost revealed the difference to my illiterate grandma shey? cheesy

My grandma knew the difference between mighty God and Almighty God NOT from the printed tailored interpretations of misinformed churchgoers Sir! cheesy
But from the pronunciation of the word she knew that Olódùmarè (Almighty God) {Exodus 6:2} totally differs from Olórun. (God) Isaiah 9:6

She's familiar with the tradition of people in ancient times, how thy do revere their deities as God, it's the Almighty God that doesn't have a shrine in Yorùbá land because our people believe that all the other Gods are serving as mediators between humans and Olódùmarè! cheesy

Is that not the same case with Jesus (the mighty God) who is serving as a mediator between obedient humans and Jehovah (the Almighty God)? John 14:6 cheesy

The only difference between the Yoruba beliefs and what Christianity teaches is the fact that Jesus is the one and only mighty God through whom anyone can get in contact with the Almighty God unlike our cultures and traditions that teaches that the Almighty God could be contacted through various means! cheesy

Ironically that's exactly what Jehovah's Witnesses are telling you today, if there is just one Almighty God and the only mediator the Almighty God presented to mankind is Jesus (the mighty God) then all human must be engaged in one single form of worship NOT different religious groups claiming worshipers of the same God with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines! undecided

If you decide to blur your senses, people having true FAITH will not Sir, we know that there has never been a time when faithful people are saved along with the faithless {Psalms 95:11; Hebrew 3:11, 4:3-5} so we will stand out! Revelations 18:4

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by shadeyinka2: 8:07am On May 31, 2020
Janosky:


In koine Greek, almighty god is also Almighty God. No difference.
English language is translating from the original source, which is Greek language.
The rules of Greek grammatical construction determines what you should translate into English.

IT IS DISHONESTY when you translate my Greek book to English and put down what I NEVER said in Greek.

You are A VERY DISHONEST Translator when you do so.
The Coptic Sahidic Bible dates back to a period of time closer to the lifetime of Apostle John.
The Sahidic Bible John 1:1 reads " the Word is a god".

Many centuries later, una Trinity FRAUDSTERS change am causing confusion for Una since 19gbidigbidi grin grin
You and maximus even argue against your organisation who insist that god and God are different.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20081101/was-the-word-god/

Please continue baseless arguments! I leave you each to your folly!

Shadeyinka
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 8:31am On May 31, 2020
shadeyinka2:

You and maximus even argue against your organisation who insist that god and God are different.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20081101/was-the-word-god/

Please continue baseless arguments! I leave you each to your folly!

Shadeyinka

I have told you that the Bible is our book it belongs to us!
If you don't listen to us you can never understand our book, the title God was rendered in such a way that a believer will grasp whom the title represents in the context, but if not while reading the pronunciation of GOD, God or god doesn't differ Sir!

You always run away when Maximus69 is around because i often expose your folly each time you try to cover it.

I'm sure you're still coming back, this is not your first time of saying goodbye only to return with your blind arguments!

The simple fact that's making you restless now is how to pronounce GOD, God or god differently! cheesy
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Nobody: 12:52pm On May 31, 2020
olamy7:
well,I think it's very clear that the differences came as a result of role. Father, son and Holy Ghost are roles played by the same God.

They were playing roles? Let's see the gymnastics you'll use for this: "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed". That's Daniel 7:13-14. Playing roles, right?

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by olamy7(m): 1:44pm On May 31, 2020
HedwigesMaduro:


They were playing roles? Let's see the gymnastics you'll use for this: "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed". That's Daniel 7:13-14. Playing roles, right?
you have not watched Taoma and the rest before right?
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by TheCrusader: 2:30pm On May 31, 2020
Rozz:
Im not a JW but this Trinity stuff is somehow.You can never win an argument on Trinity with a JW,they seems to have alot to back up their argument.
What does the Bible say?
What does God say?
The moment you decide to leave what God has clearly stated in his word for what you think or what Men think, you begin to lose it.

Why do you engage in arguments with JW in the first place? That is an unwise way to expend precious energy.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by PiccoloBrunelli(m): 3:11pm On May 31, 2020
Rozz:
When it comes to religious matters we have to use our heads sometimes.Trinity, in Christian doctrine is the unity of the father ,son and holy spirit as three persons in one Godhead. The doctrine of the Trinity is considered to be one of central christian affirmations about God. It is rooted in the fact that God came to meet christians in a threefold figure as (1) There creator,Lord,Father and judge as revealed in the old testament (2)as the lord who incarnated in figure of Jesus Christ who lived among human beings (3)As the holy spirit whom they experienced as the helper or intercessor in the power of new life.But neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament.Did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew scriptures(Deutronomy 6:4).I have started asking my pastors some questions regarding that,but he only warned me to be very careful of JW. lol

Good afternoon Madam.

The Beroeans were a people who after being preached to by the Apostle Paul still made out time to research and prove to themselves that what they were told was the truth. God wants us to convince ourselves of the truth and not just follow our parents or pastors without fact checking.

That being said I will like to direct your attention to a publication by Jehovah's Witnesses dedicated to the Trinity Doctrine. I encourage you to read it along with your own Bible. Allow the facts to speak for themselves. Instead of being afraid of the Witnesses, be afraid of those who would not let you question what you've been taught since you were a child.

Here is the link to the publication:

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/library/r1/lp-e/all-publications/brochures-and-booklets/trinity-ti

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