For God sake what is Edo problem? Under Ogiso they were rebellious, under Oranmiyan they were rebellious, till today they are rebellious. Edo people na bad luck.

TAO, Olu, study these crowns for me. One is Awujale, they still have this crown till date. The other is OmonOba, they have moved away from use of this crown, use a different type now. These are Ade Ide, beaded crown, are they not?

lawani:
the word Yoruba was first found in the written work of Ahmed Baba of 15th century Songhai empire, it was used to refer to the people of the oyo empire but nowadays all Yoruba speaking people have accepted the identity.

You're correct but its important to note that the Yoruba language predates Latin.

All the major Nigerian languages predate anything coming out of either Asia or Europe.

And yes, i agree with you that the Benin Empire used Yoruba as their official language.

Hence, you are absolutely correct in your main determination, Benin was a Yoruba speaking Empire.

lawani:
but it was during sango's time that ede was established. I think sango was an emperor not mere head of a city state.

Yes, Sango is a well known Yoruba Emperor.

Edeyoung:



We need her post the book here.... For all to see


We have no connection with yorubas rather than
Civilizing them

You did what, who

Ok, this is it! You rascals have drawn the rope to its limit stretch.

Can you spot ya fashionable ancestors in the group photo below? They are serving their OmonOba. Im going to give reference and share with you when this picture was taken, even though its not dated. Chief Solomon Osagie Alonge was the official photographer of the palace. He started around 1933/1937. Those who serve Oba in the palace are elites in society, they have privilege above commoners on the streets. If in 1933 your elites are swinging blokos in front of camera what was the image like of your commoners outside palace?

This edo rascal that call himself edoyoung is a freak. He said Edo civiliza Yoruba. Wallahi this edo wizard has realy made me angry. Baba lo ma pa e! See and compare Oluwo of Iwo, picture taken about same time. Can you see the palace men and boys? All clothed. Edoyoung or whatever you are, you don craze. Your ancestors were brought out of forest and clothed by Yoruba. Not even by whiteman but by Yoruba.

Baba lo ma pa e! Dont fvk around and let me catch you at all. You are stewpid for that comment that you civilized Yoruba. Baba lo ma pa e! Alakori!

Can you see that first picture your ancestors attending to your king in Benin palace. Same time period withbsecond picture in Iwo the king and his attendants. Now comoare and contrast who civilize who. Dont say that nonsense again herw.

TAO12:


I like to inform you that at that link, I have alluded to the historical fact of how Ibadan sigle-handedly raided Benin Kingdom for slaves and also sacked many territories of Benin Kingdom.

I hope this helps kill your bigotry!

Note: The attached is a page from the late R.E. Bradbury -- the foremost authority on Benin Kingdom.

Those were your people who escaped from thier yoruba areas to seek refuse in edo
They bear yoruba names and they are called akoko edo a branch from akoko people from ondo.....
If ibadan raided them why truly didnt they install thier person as king

Agsin ogendegbe was killed in edo

BabaRamota1980:


You did what, who

Ok, this is it! You rascals have drawn the rope to its limit stretch.

Can you spot ya fashionable ancestors in the group photo below? They are serving their OmonOba. Im going to give reference and share with you when this picture was taken, even though its not dated. Chief Solomon Osagie Alonge was the official photographer of the palace. He started around 1933/1937. Those who serve Oba in the palace are elites in society, they have privilege above commoners on the streets. If in 1933 your elites are swinging blokos in front of camera what was the image like of your commoners outside palace?

We sold clothes to your ancestors you slowpoke


In benin ancient times slaves and children don wear clothes untill adult age

The two adult on the pics wore clothes the oba
And thr chief behind

BabaRamota1980:


You did what, who

Ok, this is it! You rascals have drawn the rope to its limit stretch.

Can you spot ya fashionable ancestors in the group photo below? They are serving their OmonOba. Im going to give reference and share with you when this picture was taken, even though its not dated. Chief Solomon Osagie Alonge was the official photographer of the palace. He started around 1933/1937. Those who serve Oba in the palace are elites in society, they have privilege above commoners on the streets. If in 1933 your elites are swinging blokos in front of camera what was the image like of your commoners outside palace?

Very funy man this picture is not oba probably a high rank chiefs, again children and slave was not allowed to wear clothes until they are adult

Edeyoung:


Those were your people who escaped from thier yoruba areas to seek refuse in edo
They bear yoruba names and they are called akoko edo a branch from akoko people from ondo....
If ibadan raided them why truly didnt they install thier person as king

Agsin ogendegbe was killed in edo

(1) No sorry! But I understand how this makes you feel though . You brought this upon yourself. Lol.

Anyways, Ososo, Osi, Ebune, Ugbosi, Ibillo, Ekor, Ekpesa, Lankpese, Ibiekuma, Ekpe, and many others are all Edos in Benin Kingdom.

In fact, one of your brothers here, davidnazee has already admitted that all these are Edos.

So, don't worry about your damage control. It's not useful.

Guess what! Sane people don't even need you or davidnaze to know that these are Edos.

The testimony of the people themselves make it clear that they weren't Yorubas but Edos.

Listen again: "Ososo people say their [ancestors'] houses [were] burnt by Yoruba [during the Ibadan raids of Benin Kingdom]".

Listen again: It was a raid, not a conquest to dwell amidst them. The objective of such raid is simple. It is to capture these Binis and keep them as domestic slaves or sell them overseas.


(2) This is not the Ogedengbe Ilesa raid on Benin Kingdom.

No, this is the Aje Ibadan raid on Benin Kingdom.

Two different raids and rape of Benin Kingdom by the Yorubas.

And I am waiting for any academic piece which says Ogedengbe was killed by the Binis whom he raided and tortured.

cc: BabaRamota1980

Edeyoung:


... again children and slave was not allowed to wear clothes until they are adult

Edeyoung:


... In benin ancient times slaves and children don't wear clothes untill adult age ...

You see, remorseless unrepentant liars like you (who lie through their teeth like you do) are the reason why I expose Benin Kingdom to the whole world.

Wait! What difference does it make if "children" are not allowed to wear clothes in your Kingdom until when your Yoruba neigbours "forced" you into civility??

Moreover, your spinning on "children" is totally irresponsible and unfortunate. It's a great lie.

The truth is that in Benin Kingdom, men and women are expected to roam the street stark n@ked.

N@kedness was the Benin default. Clothing was the exception to the rule.

Quoting from the attached documentation, we read:

"... according to Dapper, "No man is allowed to wear any dress at all at court ... There are men at the King's court, twenty and twenty-four years old who without any semblance of shame go about naked, only wearing a chain of corals or jasper round their neck."

We also read from the same attachment as follows:

"Likewise, the women are not allowed to wear clothes ... So you can see there, women of twenty and twenty-five years going along the streets perfectly nude without showing any shame."


In sum:
In Benin kingdom, for both men and women, n@kedness was clearly the default, while clothing was the exception. Thanks to the Ijebus. Thanks to the Yorubas.

Stop the lies!

cc: BabaRamota1980

Edeyoung:



Very funy man this picture is not oba probably a high rank chiefs, again children and slave was not allowed to wear clothes until they are adult

Baba lo ma pa e! You say dis no be your Oba. Show me any chief in your entire land that rests hand and elbows on his aides. You bloody liar. In fact finish your lie so I can tell you who this Oba is.

Edeyoung, i read the book attachment from TAO. Did you read it? Is a 24yr old man what you call small child? Its either you are lying or Dapper is lying. Both of you agree attendants to Oba are naked. So when did you start putting clothes on your attendants. When you began clothing them, what styling of clothe was used to cover them? You don waka enter trap now.

TAO12:


(1) No sorry! But I understand how this makes you feel though . You brought this upon yourself. Lol.

Anyways, Ososo, Osi, Ebune, Ugbosi, Ibillo, Ekor, Ekpesa, Lankpese, Ibiekuma, Ekpe, and many others are all Edos.

In fact, one of your brothers here, davidnazee has already admitted that all these are Edos.

So, don't worry about your damage control. It's not useful.

Guess what! Sane people don't even need you or davidnaze to know that these are Edos.

The testimony of the people themselves make it clear that they weren't Yorubas but Edos.

Listen again: "Ososo people say their [ancestors'] houses [were] burnt by Yoruba [during the Ibadan raids of Benin Kingdom]".

Listen again: It was a raid, not a conquest to dwell amidst them. The objective of such raid is simple. It is to capture these Binis and keep them as domestic slaves or sell them overseas.


(2) This is not the Ogedengbe Ilesa raid on Benin Kingdom.

No, this is the Aje Ibadan raid on Benin Kingdom.

Two different raids and rape of Benin Kingdom by the Yorubas.

And I am waiting for any academic piece which says Ogedengbe was killed by the Binis whom he raided and tortured.

cc: BabaRamota1980

what's the name of the book u posted

Amujale:


You're correct but its important to note that the Yoruba language predates Latin.

All the major Nigerian languages predate anything coming out of either Asia or Europe.

And yes, i agree with you that the Benin Empire used Yoruba as their official language.

Hence, you are absolutely correct in your main determination, Benin was a Yoruba speaking Empire.

I read the other attachment ...it clearly states that Yoruba were employed in the palace...as slaves ...not like it was their their lingua franca...

even father Columbine of Nantes was chased out of Benin because he angered the chiefs

I'm still waiting for the book sha

ayoola27:


what's the name of the book u posted

I know you can see its name at its top.

TAO12:


(1) No sorry! But I understand how this makes you feel though . You brought this upon yourself. Lol.

Anyways, Ososo, Osi, Ebune, Ugbosi, Ibillo, Ekor, Ekpesa, Lankpese, Ibiekuma, Ekpe, and many others are all Edos.

In fact, one of your brothers here, davidnazee has already admitted that all these are Edos.

So, don't worry about your damage control. It's not useful.

Guess what! Sane people don't even need you or davidnaze to know that these are Edos.

The testimony of the people themselves make it clear that they weren't Yorubas but Edos.

Listen again: "Ososo people say their [ancestors'] houses [were] burnt by Yoruba [during the Ibadan raids of Benin Kingdom]".

Listen again: It was a raid, not a conquest to dwell amidst them. The objective of such raid is simple. It is to capture these Binis and keep them as domestic slaves or sell them overseas.


(2) This is not the Ogedengbe Ilesa raid on Benin Kingdom.

No, this is the Aje Ibadan raid on Benin Kingdom.

Two different raids and rape of Benin Kingdom by the Yorubas.

And I am waiting for any academic piece which says Ogedengbe was killed by the Binis whom he raided and tortured.

cc: BabaRamota1980

Thank you for bringing this out. There was distinct division between Edo and Bini. Nigerian politics muddled things up and it was further diluted when Edo state was created. There is distinction between Bini and Edo. Edo are slaves, Binis are aristocrats and nobles. Yhese guys here Edos, none of them is Bini. They hope and struggle to be Bini. When i used to come here regular and spit on their ancestors i always tell them they can never be Bini. Their response is always that there is no difference or distinction, that Edo is Bini. Till date I have never heard Lagos monarchy say it was from Edo. They aleays claim Bini root. Ypruba dont give a fvk about Edo. Bini belongs to us. That has always been my focus here. Edos are slaves to Bini. I will fvk up an Edo person. They are witches. Becareful dont touch any broom on a stick. These people are wicked. Look in Edo history and you see its all about exile, banishment, treachery, enmity, uprising, poisoning. They are wicked. I tell Yoruba if you ever fall in love with anyone in Edo State make sure to do your homework and ascertain their ancestral background. They must be Bini, not Edo. Wicked people. I cant stand Igbo but I have sympathy for them because they have been through a lot. I cant stand Edo and I have zero sympathy for Edo. In fact ill fvk Edo up. These people are wicked. They anger me.

ayoola27:


I read the other attachment ...it clearly states that Yoruba were employed in the palace...as slaves ...not like it was their their lingua franca...

even father Columbine of Nantes was chased out of Benin because he angered the chiefs

I'm still waiting for the book sha

(1) Regarding your reference to "the palace" in the so-called "other attachment", the author (Thornton) himself made it clear that he was unsure if those so-called "Yorubas" were indeed Yorubas ethnically (e.g. the Oyos, etc.) or merely some people from a different ethnic group who have only adopted the Yoruba language (e.g. some Baribas, etc.).

(2) The statement about Yoruba language being the lingua-franca of the whole Benin Kingdom is separate and distinct from the above scenario.

The fact that Benin Kingdom used Yoruba language as lingua-franca is attested by the French missionary father's documentation at Benin in the 1600s. This has been cited again and again ad-nauseum.

In fact, your so-called "other attachment" which you alluded to also cites the French missionary father's work on the historical fact that Benin Kingdom and others used Yoruba language as lingua-franca.

Check the last bottom lines of your so-called "other attachment" (in the 3rd attachment below).

Cheers!

cc: Amujale

BabaRamota1980:
Edeyoung, i read the book attachment from TAO. Did you read it? Is a 24yr old man what you call small child? Its either you are lying or Dapper is lying. Both of you agree attendants to Oba are naked. So when did you start putting clothes on your attendants. When you began clothing them, what styling of clothe was used to cover them? You don waka enter trap now.

The attachment shows also that even 25 years old women used to go about the streets n@ked.

So, it's not peculiar to the men, princes and nobles of their palace.

It's simply a Benin default for both women and men to go about stark n@ked.

Clothing was the exception.

BabaRamota1980:


Thank you for bringing this out. There was distinct division between Edo and Bini. Nigerian politics muddled things up and it was further diluted when Edo state was created. There is distinction between Bini and Edo. Edo are slaves, Binis are aristocrats and nobles. Yhese guys here Edos, none of them is Bini. They hope and struggle to be Bini. When i used to come here regular and spit on their ancestors i always tell them they can never be Bini. Their response is always that there is no difference or distinction, that Edo is Bini. Till date I have never heard Lagos monarchy say it was from Edo. They aleays claim Bini root. Ypruba dont give a fvk about Edo. Bini belongs to us. That has always been my focus here. Edos are slaves to Bini. I will fvk up an Edo person. They are witches. Becareful dont touch any broom on a stick. These people are wicked. Look in Edo history and you see its all about exile, banishment, treachery, enmity, uprising, poisoning. They are wicked. I tell Yoruba if you ever fall in love with anyone in Edo State make sure to do your homework and ascertain their ancestral background. They must be Bini, not Edo. Wicked people. I cant stand Igbo but I have sympathy for them because they have been through a lot. I cant stand Edo and I have zero sympathy for Edo. In fact ill fvk Edo up. These people are wicked. They anger me.

Lol. Noted!

TAO12:


(1) Regarding your reference to "the palace in the so-called "other attachment", the author (Thornton) himself made it clear that he was unsure if those so-called "Yorubas" were indeed Yorubas ethnically (e.g. the Oyos, etc.) or merely some people from a different ethnic group who have only adopted the Yoruba language (e.g. some Baribas, etc.).

(2) The statement about Yoruba language being the lingua-franca of the whole Benin Kingdom is separate and distinct from the above scenario.

The fact that Benin Kingdom used Yoruba language as lingua-franca is attested by the French missionary father's documentation at Benin in the 1600s. This has been cited again and again ad-nauseum.

In fact, your so-called "other attachment" which you alluded to also cites the French missionary father's work on the historical fact that Benin Kingdom and others used Yoruba language as lingua-franca.

Check the last bottom lines of your so-called "other attachment" (in the 3rd attachment below).

Cheers!

cc: Amujale

sorry...Na this book I dey find...

wetin be the name..

BabaRamota1980:


Thank you for bringing this out. There was distinct division between Edo and Bini. Nigerian politics muddled things up and it was further diluted when Edo state was created. There is distinction between Bini and Edo. Edo are slaves, Binis are aristocrats and nobles. Yhese guys here Edos, none of them is Bini. They hope and struggle to be Bini. When i used to come here regular and spit on their ancestors i always tell them they can never be Bini. Their response is always that there is no difference or distinction, that Edo is Bini. Till date I have never heard Lagos monarchy say it was from Edo. They aleays claim Bini root. Ypruba dont give a fvk about Edo. Bini belongs to us. That has always been my focus here. Edos are slaves to Bini. I will fvk up an Edo person. They are witches. Becareful dont touch any broom on a stick. These people are wicked. Look in Edo history and you see its all about exile, banishment, treachery, enmity, uprising, poisoning. They are wicked. I tell Yoruba if you ever fall in love with anyone in Edo State make sure to do your homework and ascertain their ancestral background. They must be Bini, not Edo. Wicked people. I cant stand Igbo but I have sympathy for them because they have been through a lot. I cant stand Edo and I have zero sympathy for Edo. In fact ill fvk Edo up. These people are wicked. They anger me.

Bros.. Edo and Benin are the same...

no difference guy...

Edo means pride in Benin

MetaPhysical:


Yoruba has never claimed to have connection with Edo.

We told you we own you!

Ownership of your land is different from a fraternal link with you.

In other words, Bini belong to Yoruba and Bini is a suzerain over Edo.

Why are you asking for that quotations to be put here? Do you doubt what TAO said?

Do you doubt what RC Law said?


We own you, end of talk!

We own the entire yoruba people
End of talk

You all ran from the thread edeyoung created
We used your people as slaves in the palace sold to the to slave and the remaining as human sacrifice

MetaPhysical:


Yoruba has never claimed to have connection with Edo.

We told you we own you!

Ownership of your land is different from a fraternal link with you.

In other words, Bini belong to Yoruba and Bini is a suzerain over Edo.

Why are you asking for that quotations to be put here? Do you doubt what TAO said?

Do you doubt what RC Law said?


We own you, end of talk!

https://www.nairaland.com/5894619/benin-influence-yorubas


If you like don't click others will do it for you

MetaPhysical:


They have witchery!

Yea we got witchery that's what we used to overpower yoy all in the past,

Conquered you with no sweat gave all your children witch to eat......


Rules over your towns, sacrifice your people to our benin rivers...

Slave tribe

MetaPhysical:


You are wicked!
I already told you.

You have completely humiliated and destroyed all the Edo witchery and mouth in front of the whole world.

Even Ibos that once had no clue to face them now have a full collection of materials to flog Edo with.

...and you did it singlehandedly.

Mmmtchheww, I bow for you!

Edos go and gather your witchery jujus and all your elders and birds and night broomstick flyers ....gather here and surrender your brromstick and otumokpor. Your witchery has been defeated!

Witchery is better than Skull minnings

MetaPhysical:


Come and tell us about clothes.

Tell us clothing styles, dyeing arts, weaving styles and cultures you Edo people traded clothes with.

Here

TAO12:




You see, remorseless unrepentant liars like you (who lie through their teeth like you do) are the reason why I expose Benin Kingdom to the whole world.

Wait! What difference does it make if "children" are not allowed to wear clothes in your Kingdom until when your Yoruba neigbours "forced" you into civility??

Moreover, your spinning on "children" is totally irresponsible and unfortunate. It's a great lie.

The truth is that in Benin Kingdom, men and women are expected to roam the street stark n@ked.

N@kedness was the Benin default. Clothing was the exception to the rule.

Quoting from the attached documentation, we read:

"... according to Dapper, "No man is allowed to wear any dress at all at court ... There are men at the King's court, twenty and twenty-four years old who without any semblance of shame go about naked, only wearing a chain of corals or jasper round their neck."

We also read from the same attachment as follows:

"Likewise, the women are not allowed to wear clothes ... So you can see there, women of twenty and twenty-five years going along the streets perfectly nude without showing any shame."


In sum:
In Benin kingdom, for both men and women, n@kedness was clearly the default, while clothing was the exception. Thanks to the Ijebus. Thanks to the Yorubas.

Stop the lies!

cc: BabaRamota1980

Do they dispute?

When they say "not allowed" that means the law forbids them to be clothed.

Shyyte!

Edo im sorry for una. All these your shame would have remained hidden from the world but you wouldnt stay in your place.

Now the whole world see your unclothedness on internet. Ehhn, a people previously thought to be respectable.....look at your fathers penis on show in nairaland.

Now someone will see this and put you on broader social media and put Edo as tag line.

More is coming.... Keep up your bullshytte we will incrementally expose you as an uncivilized stock kept for sacrifice to Bini gods.

I should have copied babaramota1980. I need him here.

Cc
Babaramota1980
TAO

BabaRamota1980:
For God sake what is Edo problem? Under Ogiso they were rebellious, under Oranmiyan they were rebellious, till today they are rebellious. Edo people na bad luck.

You type with bigoted go and cool off first