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You not looking at the big picture. All the prophets prophesied about Jesus. His lineage can be traced back to Adam. Jesus is the reason the bible was written. the bible is not a book that contains a list of laws to be obeyed so you can be saved. Its a book introducing God's plan from Genesis; that is Jesus. If you read the words of Jesus, its simple to be saved but hardness of heart and pride is what is blocking your mind from accepting him.

Also I note that you not answering my questions.All you do is high light a point and ask your own question from it. Why are you jumping from topic to topic?

Which big picture again?
When was John 3:16 promulgated?
Was it during the time of Adam pbuh or some 300years after Christ?
Which other scripture contains John 3:16?
Remember you can't set exam questions to students on topics & lectures you didn't introduced during course outline or taught in class, only if you want them to fail.

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He didn't ? Mohammed was no messenger of God. He never saw God. All he saw was an evil spirit.
The bible is different from all other books that claim salvation. Not all religions are the same. God is not schizophrenic who will say one thing and change his mind later. Only via Jesus can you be saved. If the God of Muhammad pbuh is the same as the Christians why the chapter to attack Christians , why the chapter that all Christians and Saebians will go to heaven. Did the god of Mohammed forget the route to salvation?
If its the same God why is mohammed's paradise all about sex and wine, somethin you don't find in the biblical heaven?

Very simple, God hates betrayal.
What did God do to all nations He had covenant with after they broke such?
Lemme help you out; Jeremiah 11:3; Judges 2:20; Joshua 7:15, 23:16; Hebrew 8:9; Hosea 8:1, 6:7; 1 Kings 11:11; Ezekiel 16:59, 17:19; Genesis 17:14 amongst others have the answers.

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He didn't ? Mohammed was no messenger of God. He never saw God. All he saw was an evil spirit.
The bible is different from all other books that claim salvation. Not all religions are the same. God is not schizophrenic who will say one thing and change his mind later. Only via Jesus can you be saved. If the God of Muhammad pbuh is the same as the Christians why the chapter to attack Christians , why the chapter that all Christians and Saebians will go to heaven. Did the god of Mohammed forget the route to salvation?
If its the same God why is mohammed's paradise all about sex and wine, somethin you don't find in the biblical heaven?

Direct your anger towards God and not prophet Muhammad pbuh or other Muslims.
God has over emphasized the importance & essence of honoring covenants to "Christians" for about 600years, yet they break their treaty/covenant and are angry for the repercussions/punishment of doing such.
(Galatians 3:15; Eccles 5:4-6.)

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Which bible? how does it apply to you, i thought you guys claim the bible is corrupt. Allah was an imaginary friend mohammed had in his head, no one ever saw him when asked about him, his description fit that of a monster. imagine having 2 right hands. Mohammed will go into the cave and have feats he will come back home claiming he had revelations. He clearly encountered something in the cave but it was an evil spirit claiming to be Gabriel.

Your Bible of course.
But it applies to you. Your Bible tells you no man has seen God, yet you want prophet Muhammad pbuh to see God (miracle) else you won't believe (just like the Jews wanted miracle before they will believe Jesus and other prophets pbut).

Or don't you believe the Bible (words of "God" again? Remember it is the source of authority in Christianity.

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Which bible? how does it apply to you, i thought you guys claim the bible is corrupt. Allah was an imaginary friend mohammed had in his head, no one ever saw him when asked about him, his description fit that of a monster. imagine having 2 right hands. Muhammad pbuh will go into the cave and have feats he will come back home claiming he had revelations. He clearly encountered something in the cave but it was an evil spirit claiming to be Gabriel.

I'll encourage you to bring FORTH your evidences so as to convince all Muslims to convert immediately.
Remember, he who alleges must prove.
But wait oooo! Was it inside the cave he plagiarised the Bible?
One man in about 1400years ago was able to do what millions of Christian scholars with all modern technology & equipment couldn't do.
Allahu Akbar!

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Let us dissect the 32 scholars out of thousands.
Let me take apart what your text

"The only verse indicating trinity (the Father, the Son and the Holy
Ghost are one) has been removed from the bible by 32 scholars of the
bible in the Revised Standard Version among many other verses as
fabrication after they realized that these verses do not exist in the
most ancient manuscript and as such there is not a single verse
indicating Trinity anymore in the complete bible."

The trinity is a concept in the bible, its exists all over the bible,its in Genesis,John etc. You quoting 1 John 5 vs 7.The verse exists in the Greek manuscripts, some sect, The Greek Eastern Orthodox religion was combating a heresy called "Sabellianism," and would have found it easier to combat the heresy by simply removing the troubling passage from their Bibles.
There are thousands of christian scholars so what significance is 32?
Here is a link to my source: https://www.chick.com/information/article?id=Is-I-John-5:7-Missing-From-Older-Manuscripts

If RSV does not contain parts of john 3 vs 16, what of the other hundreds of translations? See how you conclude, that is rushing to judgement, is RSV the original text? Try and criticize logically.

You quote Psalm 2 vs7. Who told you its was referring to David? its a prophecy about Jesus. See how the verse ends "blessed are those who put their trust in him" am sure its not David the passage is referring to.
If you notice all in the passages of Ps 82 : 6 , Ex 4:22 , romans 8 vs 14, the word 'son' is written in small letters, but john 3 vs 16 , Ps 2 vs 7 the 's' is in capital letters. This shows a difference in who is being referred to.

This will help you out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW99U4JWNEc#

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Let me prove it. God's people were the Jews and Christians, and mohammed claims this same God asked him to wage jihad and enslave these people. Its either Mohammed is lying about God or God is lying. We all know the answer to that.
Mohammed's family were idol worshipers, his father's name was Abdullah - slave of allah. If mohammed revealed allah to the world how come his father's name means slave of Allah? The only possible explanation is that the mohammed's family worshipped allah who was a god in mecca.

How about Malachi 2:10

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I'll encourage you to bring FORTH your evidences so as to convince all Muslims to convert immediately.
Remember, he who alleges must prove.
But wait oooo! Was it inside the cave he plagiarised the Bible?
One man in about 1400years ago was able to do what millions of Christian scholars with all modern technology & equipment couldn't do.
Allahu Akbar!

We all know it was Khadija's uncle who helped him out. Cos after he died, the revelations ceased and mohsmmed wanted to commit suicide

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How about Malachi 2:10

You always quote out of context. The portion was talking about Israel (Jacob). Always read and understand the context before responding with verses.

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This will help you out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW99U4JWNEc#

Stop showing me videos, I have not done any since we started conversing. Respond to my questions with words, and I will counter the points you raised. All these half baked frauds who claim they know the bible are ignorant. Its you i am debating with not them

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Stop showing me videos, I have not done any since we started conversing. Respond to my questions with words, and I will counter the points you raised. All these half baked frauds who claim they know the bible are ignorant. Its you i am debating with not them

John 1:1?

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You always quote out of context. The portion was talking about Israel (Jacob). Always read and understand the context before responding with verses.

The message there was not about Israel but covenant/ treaty/oath/agreement and repercussions of not honoring them.
Please open yr brain and mind to learn.

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Stop showing me videos, I have not done any since we started conversing. Respond to my questions with words, and I will counter the points you raised. All these half baked frauds who claim they know the bible are ignorant. Its you i am debating with not them

Then how do you learn when same positions that you are presently was where ex priests, Reverends, pastors etc found themselves before embracing Islam?

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Your Bible of course.
But it applies to you. Your Bible tells you no man has seen God, yet you want prophet Muhammad pbuh to see God (miracle) else you won't believe (just like the Jews wanted miracle before they will believe Jesus and other prophets pbut).

Or don't you believe the Bible (words of "God" again? Remember it is the source of authority in Christianity.

I mean why are you quoting the bible, since you claim its a fraud, use your quran (since that is the correct one from allah )to correct me not the bible.
Mohammed was possessed, according to your books he would have seizures and foam at the mouth while "receiving" revelations from "gabriel".
All these are documented in your hadiths. Prove to me that this was not the case. (your non response means its true)
How can text from a man with this conditions be trusted? No wonder the quran contains errors etc

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We all know it was Khadija's uncle who helped him out. Cos after he died, the revelations ceased and Mohammad wanted to commit suicide

That's interesting.
Please tell me more.
Care to share the Qur'anic or Biblical evidence with the world?

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Then how do you learn when same positions that you are presently was where ex priests, Reverends, pastors etc found themselves before embracing Islam?

You mean frauds? They were never Christians in the first place. How can you leave life and choose death

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The message there was not about Israel but covenant/ treaty/oath/agreement and repercussions of not honoring them.
Please open yr brain and mind to learn.

Its about Israel, did you read who the text was addressing? read through and see the names. I guess you must have just read the heading and assumed

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I mean why are you quoting the bible, since you claim its a fraud, use your quran (since that is the correct one from allah )to correct me not the bible.
Mohammed was possessed, according to your books he would have seizures and foam at the mouth while "receiving" revelations from "gabriel".
All these are documented in your hadiths. Prove to me that this was not the case. (your non response means its true)
How can text from a man with this conditions be trusted? No wonder the quran contains errors etc

Is the Bible not what you believe in? You don't believe in the Qur'an.
So let's use what you believe in.
Okay?

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John 1:1?

What happnened to John 1 vs 1?

Also my question about pilate , pls answer it.
When pilate asked what was Jesus offense what did the jews say?

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Is the Bible not what you believe in? You don't believe in the Qur'an.
So let's use what you believe in.
Okay?

If you use the bible then respond via relevant verses not videos

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Its about Israel, did you read who the text was addressing? read through and see the names. I guess you must have just read the heading and assumed

According to Genesis, who created mankind?

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That's interesting.
Please tell me more.
Care to share the Qur'anic or Biblical evidence with the world?

Bukhari, [2], Volume 9, number 111.

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What happnened to John 1 vs 1?

Also my question about pilate , pls answer it.
When pilate asked what was Jesus offense what did the jews say?

Okay answer what the faith of those that died before the crucification of Jesus pbuh & promulgation of John 3:16, then I'll answer you and subsequently continue like that.

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According to Deuteronomy, who created mankind?

If you read what I wrote i said God's people.Let me explain, people who have chosen God and believed his son, that was what I meant by God's people

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Okay answer what the faith of those that died before the crucification of Jesus pbuh & promulgation of John 3:16, then I'll answer you and subsequently continue like that.

I think i asked you first

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If you read what I wrote i said God's people.Let me explain, people who have chosen God and believed his son, that was what I meant by God's people

Genesis I meant

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You mean frauds? They were never Christians in the first place. How can you leave life and choose death

Well Jesus chose death over life.

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I think i asked you first

I will choose to believe you forgot being a human and not that you are dishonest.

Look at the timing to know who asked what and when?
From 05:58 to 08:08 is about 2hrs 10mins interval from when I asked you a simple question to when you asked me.
Cheers!

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Genesis I meant

Its still the same response. God's people are the ones who have accepted him and his Son. I am not talking about God's creation

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Its still the same response. God's people are the ones who have accepted him and his Son. I am not talking about God's creation

So answer.
Am waiting.

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We all know it was Khadija's uncle who helped him out. Cos after he died, the revelations ceased and Muhammad pbuh wanted to commit suicide

That's interesting.
Please tell me more.
Care to share the Qur'anic or Biblical evidence with the world?

But is below not your testimony?
Is it Khadijat's (RA) Uncle or evil spirit?
When one is dishonest, its very absurd.

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List the 50 denominations. Anyone can make a claim. Muslims are only there to copy and claim Jesus. I asked a question why is Mohammed trying to reweite Jewish history?

You can as well check pg 10 of the publishers note (Dr Collins) of the NRV in the book shop, Church library or from a friend. Because you know Muslims can make a claim as they are there to copy and claim Jesus.