gregyboy:



Dont embarrass yourself all articles on net admit to the fact its an indigenous worship to benins


Not the imaginary itsekiri you put up there

For the record the ogiemen family(king of the sea) that is ruling the itsekiri

By "indigenous" do you mean you ancestors inventend it, or you mean it's been introduced to your ancestors from a very early beginning.

Are you sure your ancestors invented this deity and then gave it a Yoruba name (instead of an Edo name)??


Modified:
Yes, "Ogie-amien" (an Edo word) is not worshipped as sea deity.

Instead, it is "Olokun/Umaleokun" (a Yoruba word for a Yoruba deity) that is worshipped by the Edos.

TAO12:


By indigenous do you mean you ancestors inventend it, or you mean it's been introduced to your ancestors from a very early beginning.

Are you your ancestors invented this deity and then gave it a Yoruba name (instead of an Edo name)??

Olokun its an edo name bro

Olo-kun - goddess of the sea,

Olo-goddess, okun-sea

Even the Europeans made an account of it in the 16c when an oba was possed by olokun and the king markers rejected is aporoval to be king that an oba shouldn't be posses by an earthly god
And a civil war broke out and benin was reduced to a village during the civil war

gregyboy:


Dont embarrass yourself all articles on net admit to the fact its an indigenous worship to benins

Not the imaginary itsekiri you put up there

For the record the ogiemen family(king of the sea) that is ruling the itsekiri they are the true worshiper of olokun that's why they are called ogie-men

By "indigenous" do you mean you ancestors inventend it, or you mean it's been introduced to your ancestors from a very early beginning.

Are you really insisting that your ancestors invented this deity and then gave it a Yoruba name (instead of an Edo name)??

Moreover, your so-called articles (which are nothing both Wikipedia write-ups, blogs essays, etc.) all agree that Olokun is a Yoruba deity.

The only exception is your Facebook account which says otherwise.

Modified:
Yes, "Ogie-amien" (an Edo word) is not worshipped as sea deity.

Instead, it is "Olokun/Umaleokun" (a Yoruba word for a Yoruba deity) that is worshipped by the Edos.

gregyboy:


Olokun its an edo name bro

Olo-kun - goddess of the sea,

Olo-goddess, okun-sea

Even the Europeans made an account of it in the 16c when an oba was possed by olokun and the king markers rejected is aporoval to be king that an oba shouldn't be posses by an earthly god
And a civil war broke out and benin was reduced to a village during the civil war

Hahahaha!

"Olo" means "goddess" in Edo.

ROTFLMAO

Benin has been crushed to pieces, so I understand that it needs the help of deranged liars.

Your brothers will hate you for this. RamessesIV come and see something oo.

Anyways, see the attahment below which shows that, among the Edos Olokun is in fact a male deity

Mind you this attachment is from a source which you've once attached before.

So, tell me again how "Olo" means "goddess".

#Exposed

Tao12,
Edoboys are suffering in your hand. They created three threads with different caption on Olokun alone. Kaaii! They were desperate for a wiggle room to escape from your stranglehold.

They opened a first one, no way....they opened a second one, no pass, they opened a third one and still they cant squeeze in.

Everybody know Edo name must have kp, gh, zh, vw lexicon to have meaning. In their language.

Ogun, Olokun, Osun, Sango, Yemoja. These are all Yoruba lexicon.

Anyone arguing for these deities to be an Edo original does not history of the deities.

Edo slaves did not worship these deities. They were used as blood sacrifice to give worship rituals at the altar. Hence they have mixed it up.

They thought they were used as rituals to Edo gods.....not knowing they were actually offered to popiate Yoruba gods. .

The worship can be only be indigenous to areas bounded by sea eg edo, itsekiri, ijaw,

Benin controlled the shores of those areas bounded by the sea and the Europeans called those areas of watee bodies benin river to lagos


This are artworks which support olokun worship in benin

TAO12:


Hahahaha!

"Olo" means "goddess" in Edo.

And

"Okun" means "sea" in Edo.

ROTFLMAO

Benin has been crushed to pieces, so I understand that it needs the help of deranged liars.

Your brothers will hate you for this. RammessesIV come and see something oo.

This artefact represents that the oba controls the land and the ruler of the sea

Look closely you will see a fish around the oba waist line representing olokun in the artwork

gregyboy:


(1) The worship can be only be indigenous to areas bounded by sea eg edo, itsekiri, ijaw,

(2) Benin controlled the shores of those areas bounded by the sea and the Europeans called those areas of watee bodies benin river to lagos


(3) This are artworks which support olokun worship in benin.

(1) That's why the Istsekiris (Yorubas) introduced it to you. And that's why you have no native name for it

(2) What do you mean by control? And when did such control begin?

(3) Yes, I agree that the Itsekiris introduced it to you so you can worship it and keep memories of it.

TAO12:


(1) That's why the Istsekiris (Yorubas) introduced it to you. And that's why you have no name for it

(2) What do you mean by control? And when did such control begin?

(3) Yes, I agree that the Itsekiris introduced it to you so you can worship it and keep memories of it.

I know you're making a joke from the emoji above in your comments


You're bored, i know you dey find who you wan use take talk...... Winch nobody get your time

gregyboy:

(1) This artefact represents that the oba controls the land and the ruler of the sea

(2) Look closely you will see a fish around the oba waist line representing olokun in the artwork

(1) That's another bold lie. In Benin religion or spirituality, the Oba does not control the sea.

In Benin spirituality, the Oba's control is strictly limited to land, while Olokun controls the sea.

[See 1st attacment below from an academic journal article which you yourself attached above]. #Exposed.


(2) Yes, I already admitted that the Yorubas introduced "Olokun" to the Edos so that they can worship it and keep fond memories of it.


*(3)* Address your lie that "Olo" (in Olokun) means "Goddess" in Edo language; when, in fact, your own source states clearly that Olokun is a MALE deity in Edo spirituality.

[See 2nd attachment below from your an academic journal article which you trust.]

#Exposed

TAO12:


(1) That's another bold lie. In Benin religion the Oba does not control the sea.

In Edo spirituality, the Oba's control is strictly limited to land. While, Olokun controls the sea.

[See 1st attacment below from an academic journal article which you yourself attached above]. #Exposed.


(2) Yes, I already admitted that the Yorubas introduced "Olokun" to the Edos so that they can worship it and keep fond memories of it.


(3) Address your lie that "Olo" (in Olokun) means "Goddess" in Edo language; when, in fact, your own source states clearly that Olokun is a MALEdeity in Edo spirituality.

[See 2nd attachment below from your an academic journal article which you trust.]

#Exposed

Olokun is both male and famale

gregyboy:


Olokun is both male and famale

In Yoruba spirituality, yes. It is both in Yoruba spirituality, and I can show you evidence for that.

But there is only one of its manifestation in Edo spirituality -- its masculine manifestation only.

I challenge you to show me any Edo spirituality that depicts Olokun as female.

You have only what we introduced to you. And you have preserved it in its Yoruba name whether as "Olokun" or as "Umale-Okun".

So your lie of "Olo" (in Olokun) means "Goddess" has been busted.

"Olokun"/"Umale-Okun" are both purely Yoruba words.

In other words, you had to resort to a blatant lie (about "Olo") because you know it has no meaning in your native tongue -- a big proof that it was introduced to you by your Yoruba masters.

"Olokun" was introduced to Edos from their Yoruba masters.

#Exposed.

gregyboy:

[s]I know you're making a joke from the emoji above in your comments
You're bored, i know you dey find who you wan use take talk...... Winch nobody get your time[/s]

(1) Is this the best you can do to defend Benin Kingdom from collapsing.

(2) Anyways, I am awaiting your defence for your lie that Oba controls the sea in Edo religion or spirituality

[See 1st attachment].

(3) Also, I am waiting for your proof that Olokun has a goddess aspect in Edo religion/spirituality.

[See 2nd attachment]

"Olo" means goddess /s . LMAO.

TAO12:


(1) Is this the best you can do to defend Benin Kingdom from collapsing.

(2) Anyways, I am awaiting your defence for your lie that Oba controls the sea in Edo religion or spirituality

[See 1st attachment].

(3) Also, I am waiting for your proof that Olokun has a goddess aspect in Edo religion/spirituality.

[See 2nd attachment]

"Olo" means goddess /s . LMAO.

Like i know you're bored and you want to talk sorry i am not giving you.....

The matter nor consign you since you dey talk say na itsekiri get am, oya rest

Mumu woman

gregyboy:

[s]Like i know you're bored and you want to talk sorry i am not giving you.....

The matter nor consign you since you dey talk say na itsekiri get am, oya rest

Mumu woman[/s]

Thank you for finally admitting that the Itsekiris (i.e. Yorubas) gave you Olokun.

Even your Etinosa1234 admits the Itsekiris are Yorubas.

And you too have admitted it repeatedly before (until now?)

cc: MetaPhysical.

gregyboy:



I know you're making a joke from the emoji above in your comments


You're bored, i know you dey find who you wan use take talk...... Winch nobody get your time

Respond logically to what Tao said.

You said only those on coast have Olokun. You mentioned Itsekiri.

Tao said Itsekiri taught you about Olokun.

Dont dodge.....give a logical response and forget about emoji for now.

How did Edo originate Olokun, a foreign deity?

TAO12:


Thank you for finally admitting that the Itsekiris (who are Yorubas) gave you Olokun.

Even Etinosa1234 admits the Itsekiris are Yorubas. See where he admits it.

And you too have admitted it repeatedly before (until now?)

cc: MetaPhysical.

You have restrained them into a corner again.

I expect to see Edo open a fourth thread with Olokun as subject.

MetaPhysical:


You have restrained them into a corner again.

I expect to see Edo open a fourth thread with Olokun as subject.

Hahaha!

MetaPhysical:


Respond logically to what Tao said.

You said only those on coast have Olokun. You mentioned Itsekiri.

Tao said Itsekiri taught you about Olokun.

Dont dodge.....give a logical response and forget about emoji for now.

How did Edo originate Olokun, a foreign deity?

Remeber we are hearing of itsekiri kingdom today because awolowo elevated the stool, the itsekiri kingdom and other niger delta kingdoms were seen as equal

TAO11 assumption is biased that's why i didnt bother responding to her even the itsekiri she is bringing out its monarchy is a benin offshoot, and the fact. she singled only itsekiri out of the other niger delta kingdoms close to the water among others like urhobo, ijaw, isoko amd assumed itsekiri must hsve originated it because itsekiri is A Yoruba sub group makes her answer biased

Am letting you and her know itsekiri had no influence on benin just like other niger delta kingdoms, spoting out only itsekiri without considering other niger delta kingdom for possibilities is an unfair judgment we only hear of Itsekiris kingdom today because awolowo elevated the stool out of tribalism just as TAO12 is doing now

I will be strictly sincere, yorubas didnt influence anything on benin people we did all the influence

gregyboy:


[s]Remeber we are hearing of itsekiri kingdom today because awolowo elevated the stool, the itsekiri kingdom and other niger delta kingdoms were seen as equal

TAO11 assumption is biased that's why i didnt bother responding to her even the itsekiri she is bringing out its monarchy is a benin offshoot, and the fact. she singled only itsekiri out of the other niger delta kingdoms close to the water among others like urhobo, ijaw, isoko amd assumed itsekiri must hsve originated it because itsekiri is A Yoruba sub group makes her answer biased

Am letting you and her know itsekiri had no influence on benin just like other niger delta kingdoms, spoting out only itsekiri without considering other niger delta kingdom for possibilities is an unfair judgment we only hear of Itsekiris kingdom today because awolowo elevated the stool out of tribalism just as TAO12 is doing now

I will be strictly sincere, yorubas didnt influence anything on benin people we did all the influence[/s]

(1) There is no such thing a "NigerDelta Kingdom".

(a) The Kingdoms have been there since ancient pre-colonial times.

(b) NigerDelta was only recently created as a region in Nigeria.

Stop attempting to make the term NigerDelta (of Nigeria) look ancient.


(2) I know for sure that Awolowo chases you around in your dreams.

Having said that, every sane person know for sure that the Itsekiris have been influential since pre-colonial times.

The other kingdoms round the coast in the region just do not come close at all for comparison.

The itsekiris are about the first people (of today's Nigeria) to be contacted by the Europeans.

Awolowo, didn't direct the Portuguese to recognize them. Most of Awolowo's fore-parents weren't even born at the time.


(3) Can you name me one Kingdom in the Niger Delta region, whose native tongue explains the words Olokun or UmaleOkun?

Not one except the Yorubas of the region -- the Itsekiris.

So, they werent merely "singled-out" (as you put it), they were identified correctly.


(4) A royalty from the Bini court (not the Edos) came in contact with the Itsekiris, and the Itsekiris accepted him to be King.

A Bini scholar (Obaro Ikime) has suggested that a reason why the Itsekiris easily accepted him and made him king is because the Benin court appears to have been bilingual (speaking both Yoruba and Edo) that early.

In any case, the accounts (either of Itsekiris or of Binis) do not speak of any conquest.

Important Note:
The Itsekiris accepted Ginuwa -- another Yoruba of Benin. The Itsekiris did not accept any Edo.

The Edos are admittedly slaves of the Yoruba Oba of Benin -- a thing of joy and pride to the Edos.

Refer to the following from H.L. Roth(1903), p.103.

"Lieut. King found that “the king can sell his subjects when convicted of crime, or when they have incurred his displeasure." The royal right of abuse seems to have survived to the last days, for Gallwey (p. 129) mentions that “the Benin people are free, but are treated as slaves by the king, the title of king's slave being considered an honour." We have seen above that for different reasons the king claimed male children, widows and slaves belonging to deceased subjects; he could hardly get much more, so that the mass of the people were practically slaves to the king, and those who were not to the king were so to their chiefs."

In Summary:
I am glad you have ultimately admitted that the Yorubas introduced Olokun, UmaleOkun to you Edos.

Hurray!!!

cc: MetaPhysical

TAO12:


(1) There is no such thing a "NigerDelta Kingdom".

(a) The Kingdoms have been there since ancient pre-colonial times.

(b) NigerDelta was only recently created as a region in Nigeria.

Stop attempting to make the term NigerDelta (of Nigeria) look ancient.


(2) I know you, for sure, that Awolowo chases you around in your dreams.

Having said that, every sane person know for sure that the Itsekiris have been influential since pre-colonial times.

The other kingdoms round the coast in the region just do not come close at all for comparison.

The itsekiris are about the first people (of today's Nigeria) to be contacted by the Europeans.

Awolowo, didn't direct the Portuguese to recognize them. Most of Awolowo's fore-parents weren't even born at the time.


(3) Can you name me one Kingdom in the Niger Delta region, whose native tongue explains the words Olokun or UmaleOkun?

Not one except the Yorubas of the region -- the Itsekiris.

So, they werent merely "singled-out" (as you put it), they were identified correctly.


(4) A royalty from the Bini court (not the Edos) came in contact with the Itsekiris, and the Itsekiris accepted him to be King.

A Bini scholar (Obaro Ikime) has suggested that a reason why the Itsekiris easily accepted him and made him king is because the Benin court appears to have been bilingual (speaking both Yoruba and Edo) that early.

In any case, the accounts (either of Itsekiris or of Binis) do not speak of any conquest.

Important Note:
The Itsekiris accepted Ginuwa -- another Yoruba of Benin. The Itsekiris did not accept any Edo.

The Edos are admittedly slaves of the Yoruba Oba of Benin -- a thing of joy and pride to the Edos.

Refer to



In Summary:
I am glad you have ultimately admitted that the Yorubas introduced Olokun, UmaleOkun to you Edos.

Hurray!!!

keep it short am not reading it and am not responding back

Guy make you mention short i dont have time reading long epitsle

gregyboy:


[s]keep it short am not reading it and am not responding back[/s]

Guy make you mention short i dont have time reading long epitsle

I know you cant. I expected that.

Anywyas, feel free to take your time.

In fact, you can read one word per day.

Summary:
I am glad you have ultimately admitted that the Yorubas introduced Olokun, UmaleOkun to you Edos.

TAO12:


I know you cant. I expected that.

Anywyas, feel free to take your time.

In fact, you can read one word per day.

If you are debating on the olokun origin forget it bro its edo

You cant make me keep you busy i know you are bored

gregyboy:


[s]If you are debating on the olokun origin forget it bro its edo

You cant make me keep you busy i know you are bored[/s]

That's precisely what you're out here to prove.

So, go ahead and prove it (even in the light of refutations and your admission).

TAO12:


That's precisely what you're out here to prove.

So, go ahead and prove it (even in the light of refutations and your admission).

Instead of arguing blindly why don't you bring out evidence that Olokun worship began in Yorubaland..

davidnazee:


Instead of arguing blindly why don't you bring out evidence that Olokun worship began in Yorubaland..

You already wrote one of the evidences yourself.

Yes, it's that deep.

Olo means goddess
okun means sea
This equates to goddess of the see. E gba mi o Gregboy/ Edoyoung has come with another bombshell!
He will soon come back to refute this concoction as he did with "it is red" and "it is shining"

Olokun is an Edo word when we have words let Olorun (the one that owns heaven) oloko (the one that owns a farmland), olorire (the one that's fortunate), olokiki (the one that is famous).

Yoruba expressions and words have a unique pattern of formation. When you wake up in one morning and dreamt of making what has never been yours your own, you become as confused and comical like Gregboy/Edoyoung.

Interesting enough, the spelling and pronunciation pattern of most of these deities Gregboy contend with don't agree with the lexis of Edo language. Most of Edo words and expressions are clusters of consonants and vowels (that gives a Yoruba person like me serious headache to pronoun). How come all the names of the deities you claim as yours violate this pattern and agree only with pattern of arrangement of Yoruba Lexi (CONSONANT+VOWEL/VOWEL+CONSONANT/CONSONANT+VOWEL+VOWEL+CONSONANT).

Olokun- v+c+v+c+v+c (no consonant clusters)
ogun - v+c+v+c (no cluster)
ifa - v+c+a (no cluster)
oba - v+c+v (no cluster)
ayelala - (no cluster)
Ogboni - v+c+v+c+v (no consonant clusters. "gb" is a single consonant sound)

What more, you will never see any sane Yoruba creating some useless threads saying olokun- belongs to Yoruba, ifa belongs to Yoruba, Ogboni is ours. This is so because these are standing, obvious and undisputable facts.

If you are deluded enough to believe you own ifa, ogun, sango, obatala, olokun, ayelala etc you will soon come with the claim that the word "Nigeria" is originally yours.

babtoundey:
Olo means goddess
okun means sea
This equates to goddess of the see. E gba mi o Gregboy/ Edoyoung has come with another bombshell!
He will soon come back to refute this concoction as he did with "it is red" and "it is shining"

Olokun is an Edo word when we have words let Olorun (the one that owns heaven) oloko (the one that owns a farmland), olorire (the one that's fortunate), olokiki (the one that is famous).

Yoruba expressions and words have a unique pattern of formation. When you wake up in one morning and dreamt of making what has never been yours your own, you become as confused and comical like Gregboy/Edoyoung.

Interesting enough, the spelling and pronunciation pattern of most of these deities Gregboy contend with don't agree with the lexis of Edo language. Most of Edo words and expressions are clusters of consonants and vowels (that gives a Yoruba person like me serious headache to pronoun). How come all the names of the deities you claim as yours violate this pattern and agree only with pattern of arrangement of Yoruba Lexi (CONSONANT+VOWEL/VOWEL+CONSONANT/CONSONANT+VOWEL+VOWEL+CONSONANT).

Olokun- v+c+v+c+v+c (no consonant clusters)
ogun - v+c+v+c (no cluster)
ifa - v+c+a (no cluster)
oba - v+c+v (no cluster)
ayelala - (no cluster)
Ogboni - v+c+v+c+v (no consonant clusters. "gb" is a single consonant sound)

What more, you will never see any sane Yoruba creating some useless threads saying olokun- belongs to Yoruba, ifa belongs to Yoruba, Ogboni is ours. This is so because these are standing, obvious and undisputable facts.

If you are deluded enough to believe you own ifa, ogun, sango, obatala, olokun, ayelala etc you will soon come with the claim that the word "Nigeria" is originally yours.

#Pained

The statement truth is painful was never a lie

Nxt life yorubas will conquer edo and influence them both culturally and religiously but as for this life there is no hope

Our naked ancestors according to TAO11 conquered yorubas...
Lol

gregyboy:



#Pained

The statement truth is painful was never a lie

Nxt life yorubas will conquer edo and influence them both culturally and religiously but as for this life there is no hope

Our naked ancestors according to TAO11 conquered yorubas...
Lol

Try and comment with your Edoyoung moniker. Maybe when you do you can sound reasonable to those who care to read your blabbing.

gregyboy:



(1) [s]They aint even ashamed to say it, our naked ancestors gave them everything they hold as culture today..... They paid tribute to our naked ancestors, lol...... The yoruba people are good at mouth making....[/s]

(2) Even female warriors from dahomey sacked thier empire at a time.....

(1) Your first claims here have been dealt with beyond remedy.

In fact, you eventually agreed that all the so-called Benin conquests are simply imaginations in the head of the Edos.


(2) You've tried this nonsense before on another thread where you were eventually disgraced.

See the attached screenshots for the 2nd half of your disgrace.

cc: RuggedSniper, gomojam, MetaPhysical, Moneywomen17, babtoundey

gregyboy:



#Pained

The statement truth is painful was never a lie

Nxt life yorubas will conquer edo and influence them both culturally and religiously but as for this life there is no hope

Our naked ancestors according to TAO11 conquered yorubas...
Lol

Shut up!

"The Benin lie about conquest is only an imagination in our heads." --- gregyboy, 2020.

TAO12:


Shut up!

"The Benin lie about conquest is only an imagination in our heads." --- gregyboy, 2020.

#Pained


Lol, another one pained here ....


With your smelly mouth youre using to say shut up.... Mumu woman abi man