hoopernikao:


Point to where I said the bold in this thread.
You must have accused me falsely and give false witness against me over 24 times on this thread.

Always point to things and don't assume.

Secondly, you havent still stated what I asked you. How did you come about your pr3sent start of the scriptures or God that I serve. There should be a stand point. What informed your decision.

GRIMMJOE:
@ hoopernikao

I can't come here dragging scriptures with you the time for all that has pass and it will never come again, religion is what ever illusion you want to see, these illusions are generate by fear and indoctrine, and sometimes lies to oneself.

GRIMMJOE:
@ hoopernikao

I can't come here dragging scriptures with you the time for all that has pass and it will never come again, religion is what ever illusion you want to see, these illusions are generate by fear and indoctrine, and sometimes lies to oneself.

hoopernikao:


Point to where I said the bold in this thread.
You must have accused me falsely and give false witness against me over 24 times on this thread.

Always point to things and don't assume.

Secondly, you havent still stated what I asked you. How did you come about your pr3sent start of the scriptures or God that I serve. There should be a stand point. What informed your decision.

Maximus69:
[s]

Ogbeni if you don't believe in God, you're a hopeless, useless, worthless, jobless and purposeless dingbat in the name of atheist, get that into that your stinking skull! [/s]

GRIMMJOE:
I won't call you out just to accuse you, you did mention loosely quote "You have to look at the intent" I'm only using the word intent here

On the second point, I'm telling you in other to win the game you don't play it, scriptures are what you make of them, I've been telling you, your not listening, scriptures are whatever you make of them, it doesn't mater what scripture I bring you'll still see it the way you've been controlled to.

Do you think indoctrine is a joke, the moment your indoctrine is question you'll give it your everything to protect it, even unknowing lie to your self, literally your purpose in life is taken from you, but the truth is, its only your illusion.

hoopernikao:


By the way, the way you mentioned scriptures above gave me hope. I hardly see either atheist or those who reject God use such word, what is common among them is to use "bible" at most. Which is actually the same. But using scriptures, hmmm. Well, you know yourself.

Main thing now, is that i am likewise not dragging scriptures with you. I only want you to be objective and explain your point, and how you come to such conclusions.

How does the scriptures generate lies, fear etc. How do you come to this. At least, you must have read and saw this in it for you to claim it's what you said.

Speak plainly, there is no need to avoid speaking.

Maximus69:
[s]
All these is what you're seeing because you yourself are crooked in your heart, you never cared to find the truth about God!

Just look at the young lady Rozz, she made me understand that she has some habits that she'll like to put away but at the same time she wants to know the truth about God! John 4:1-30
Jesus confirmed that the lady had questionable characters but she loves to know the difference between faith and credulity (John 4:19-20} you lived all your hopeless life waiting for the lies your Churchgoer Pastor who is just interested in your money was telling you.
You don't even know JWs.
Now a young lady who has interest in knowing the truth is asking, all for you to come in with your hopelessness to start spewing gibberish all over the place, and when everyone treated you gently feeling you might have been hurt by some greedy Pastors, you left saying your satisfied.

All for you to come back again with your retched madness! [/s]

hoopernikao:


Always keep evidence of accusations. If you wake me up from bed, I can still quote and rewrite verbatim all I have written on this thread from beginning. I don't write out of desire just to write, my writings and words are deliberate, well thought-out and well coordinated. So either by intent or writing, you can't point to any where I said what you accused me of. But like I said, I am used to that with you now.

Now, we are having an open discussion here. What you wrote in your second part is one of Mohammed Alli strategy to his opponent (let me use illustration that fits your normal grammar - fight ). Alli will want to warn his opponent to sway them away from their mind. That works for Alli, but in intellectual discussions it is a sign of fear and weakness from the speaker. So, don't use them. I know you have what to say and you can explain. So put them across as much as you can.

I have told you that the scriptures have a singular message, intent and thought. All explanation must align to this thought. That is how you know if an interpretation is correct. So, we aren't speaking about personal opinions here. But what is and how is written.

So state what you think, we may then align it with scriptures and know how true it is then accept your point. And if you see that it is not true, you truly don't have to accept my point but take the learning. It may help you in days ahead.

GRIMMJOE:
I'm not avoiding anything, indoctrine is power, it takes away your empathy you think its normal for some not to care about starving children because their not his church member, you think its normal for someone to put on suicide vest, even animals won't do such.

You can't see what's wrong here, you can't see it until you let go of this illusion, it takes away your empathy, it takes away your purpose in life and gives you an illusion of a Paradise that never existed, and will never exist.

hoopernikao:



You are mixing things up GRIMMJOE.

You are judging the scriptures using people's conduct without even seeing for yourself what the scriptures says about such issue. You can't be pointing to people's experiences to just a documented fact. You should rather judge experiences with the exact thing written. Do you judge the constitution of a country by people's actions?

A man stole then you blame the constitution, the first question any sensible person will ask is if you have read the constitution and sure that it supports such actions... You are starting from point of finish running backward. You will miss the whole essence of the writings.

What does the scriptures teaches concerning an issue, is the first and the most intelligent questions any man can ask concerning a situation. But when you chose to go your way, you will be asking the wrong questions.

To me personally, you aren't different from anyone who misinterpret the scriptures to suit an action. It's just the same. Twist the scriptures to defend an action. But your case is, establish an action and turn back to blame the scriptures.

You will need to start seeing the other way now: from start to finish now.

GRIMMJOE:
If this is what you see, I can't help you but I'll try, Ill say it again the scriptures are what you want to see.

The intent if any religion are absent and no where to be found, this is not a I win, you lose, ask your self what's the intent of religion compare it with the world.

don't be scared of your Paradise tone taken away from you, it never existed, it never will, make use of you youth and take a bow when its time.

GRIMMJOE:
What is the intent of religion, not just yours but religion, please be honest you end this conversation when ever you want, there's no win, only truth.

hoopernikao:


So tell me what you see in the scriptures. What do you see and where. How did you come to your opinion. You are moving in circles.

And it's obvious you are exposed to very very wrong doctrine likely when you were still attending Christian meetings. You have a very very wrong perception of the scriptures and that has really really affected you as you found out later that you have been lied to.

It's quite a sorry, many have to fall for such sleight of men and cunning craftiness, such manipulation of scripture to either personal gain or to do what God didn't send them to do. But you aren't alone and it not absolutely bad.

But you must first accept this, that all your knowledge about the scriptures are absolutely false. That you have been exposed to lies almost all your time around church or believers. You were never allow to see rightly. I bet with you, everything you have mentioned all through this thread about the scriptures shows this clearly.

You may need to restart, to read, to see, to confirm the falsehood you may once enjoy but don't make sense again. Because all falsehood have an expiring date. Yours got to it's date then you got freed ,but sadly, not freedom unto freedom but unto further lies. Hatred of being deceived and lied to.

You need to see things yourself now. GRIMMJOE I really mean it. It is not what you were exposed to. It is not at all.

hoopernikao:


Christianity reveals God and the scriptures is to help do the same via its teachings. It's primary intent is to reveal God through Christ.

So, what is your own intent now. I want your present path.

GRIMMJOE:
@ hoopernikao it's like I'm telling you about the truth, but in return you're like the truth must come from this book,

Why, because you've been indoctrinated, it's like telling you animals fly and you're like why isn't this horse flying, stop arguing and try to understand this illustration.

The Bible is not the source of reasoning its you, your the source of reasoning, turn to your self for answers, you're not shít, your human your the source of your intelligence not an illusion.

hoopernikao:




You must be very funny.
One of the greatest comedy I have ever heard before is those who said exactly what you wrote above. "Your reasoning is you, turn to yourself for answers.... " . Most times when you say this it's either you aren't truthful to yourself or shear ignorance or how things works.

Firstly note that the biggest lies sold to you is that you aren't influenced by anything but yourself. Very false.

See, from the cloth you wear around, to your hair cut, to your thinking, decisions, you saw it somewhere, read, or influenced. No man that is not influenced in this world.

The inside you want to look into is the seat of external influence itself. Dont be deceived.

Everything you have ever typed in this forum was informed by influence.

So, you need to examine yourself well and think firstly, ask yourself what or who is influencing me. Until you can answer this question, you will be in the illusion of looking inward. All that is inward of man are product of influence he receives.

If the scriptures influences me, what influences you. Can you take your time and ask yourself this most important question. Then answer.

GRIMMJOE:
Hope you don't mind you'll still answer some other question honestly.

What's the intent to "reveal God through Christ"

Can you also tell me the intent of Muslims

are you seeing where this is going?

GRIMMJOE:
I get your point on influence, I will address this but were still on the intent of religion, so what is the intent to reveal God through Christ.

And what is the intent of Muslims, or it's the same.

hoopernikao:


Christianity reveals God and the scriptures is to help do the same via its teachings. It's primary intent is to reveal God through Christ.

So, what is your own intent now. I want your present path.

GRIMMJOE:
DappaD can you tell us the intent of religion, do you agree with hoopernikao

DappaD:

Sorry oo I'm writing this in no attempt to derail from the topic on hand
But now you see God and Jesus as distinct beings?
Weren't you defending the trinity doctrine in the other pages?

hoopernikao:


Should we discussed this further and you won't start calling me names again and avoid discussion afterwards. If you do, I still have outstanding questions you haven't answered.

Secondly, I have seen great assumptions among you and your colleagues claiming I defend Trinity. for your record, check through all my post not just here but on Nairaland generally, and point to where I had a discussion Trinity. I have constantly mentioned to you all that my argument with you is not about Trinity for now but cases that can lead to it.

The fact that you wanted to proved a point isnt allowing you to read between the lines. Exposing your mistakes is not the same as supporting your enemies stand. You must always read details and carefully.

Do I believe in Trinity, YES. Have I ever defend or discuss it on Nairaland? You may have to check to prove me wrong. The closest thing I have ever said on trinity is that it is a concept of salvation rather than creation. This was made over 6-7 months on one Reno said..... Thread. I am definite in all I do and it can be traceable. In due time that will be discussed.

So, I may not support some opinions or have the same stand view of Trinity with those who believe in it, but I definitely believe in it both scripturally, historically and personally.

hoopernikao:


I have answered you this question nah.
No need for repetition.

Back to influence, so answer me. What is your own influence or is it a secret? State what inform your intent, your stand.

hoopernikao:


Should we discussed this further and you won't start calling me names again and avoid discussion afterwards. If you do, I still have outstanding questions you haven't answered.

Secondly, I have seen great assumptions among you and your colleagues claiming I defend Trinity. for your record, check through all my post not just here but on Nairaland generally, and point to where I had a discussion Trinity. I have constantly mentioned to you all that my argument with you is not about Trinity for now but cases that can lead to it.

The fact that you wanted to proved a point isnt allowing you to read between the lines. Exposing your mistakes is not the same as supporting your enemies stand. You must always read details and carefully.

Do I believe in Trinity, YES. Have I ever defend or discuss it on Nairaland? You may have to check to prove me wrong. The closest thing I have ever said on trinity is that it is a concept of salvation rather than creation. That is the closest said about my stand on Trinity. This was made over 6-7 months on one Reno said..... Thread. I am definite in all I do and it can be traceable. In due time that will be discussed.

So, I may not support some opinions or have the same stand view of Trinity with those who believe in it, but I definitely believe in it both scripturally, historically and personally.

GRIMMJOE:
But you haven't answered what is the intent of religion, what is the intent to reveal God through Christ. is that the intent of Jehovah witness? you can just say yes or no.

Since you don't know the intent of Muslims, what makes you think your religion intent is the right one, when you haven't even explored the intent of Muslim religion.

And if you don't need to know the intent of Muslim to conclude the religion is inexistent, then why do any one need to know the intent of your religion to know it's inexistent.

We haven't even talked about the intent of Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and even Atheism.

GRIMMJOE:
But you haven't answered what is the intent of religion, what is the intent to reveal God through Christ. is that the intent of Jehovah witness? you can just say yes or no.

Since you don't know the intent of Muslims, what makes you think your religion intent is the right one, when you haven't even explored the intent of Muslim religion.

And if you don't need to know the intent of Muslim to conclude the religion is inexistent, then why do any one need to know the intent of your religion to know it's inexistent.

We haven't even talked about the intent of Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, and even Atheism.

DappaD:

You're putting unnecessary pressure on hoopernikao
You're the only calling hoopernikao a JW when he's obviously not one
Your discussion is based on authenticity of the Bible, correct? So chill and hear what hoopernikao has to say