Hiswordxray:
I meet with the body of Christ in Lagos. It has no name, no denomination, no G.O
Just brothers and sisters who have pledge their allegiance to Christ and Christ alone.

Acehart:
So you are Lone Ranger, No fellowship except with yourself? We see that you are leading people into the “prophetic“ - this means you have a church and you are the pastor.

Hiswordxray:
I don't understand why Christians brain have been condition to think church. It is difficult to imagine anything outside of church. Well, breaking news, there are a lot of things existing outside church. They are independent teaching ministries, there are equipping centers, there are established schools of the spirit, there are prophetic schools, there are ecclesia system, in fact there are many, and in the future there will be many more. So come out of your cave, there is a whole new world out there.

Acehart:
Please see the question mark.

Hiswordxray:
Well, the question makes no sense. Because I had just said I fellowship with the body of Christ in Lagos. I even said this gathering it is made up of believers who pledge their allegiance to Christ.

Acehart:
Okay

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@OP, i am curious as to what it is exactly you do with these people that the spirit of God living in the inside of them cpuld not do for them?
As john the apostle told, the Spirit of God is there to teach us every thing we need to know.

So explain to me what it is someone such as my person would benefit from taking your class and what the end goal ought to be?

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You are almost correct, but the appropriate word for a true Christian fellowship is ecclesia not church. Church literally means something that is of the lord (god), and that includes a building dedicated to a god for worship, like a temple. It is a pagan practice. But ecclesia has nothing to do with buildings, it is a fellowship (a meeting) of a community for the sake of making governmental decisions. In essence, Ecclesia is a government.

"Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means ‘rock’), and upon this rock I will build my church [Ecclesia], and all the gates of hell will not conquer it. And I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. Whatever you forbid on earth will be forbidden in heaven, and whatever you permit on earth will be permitted in heaven." (Matt 16:18-19).

You see the bold, the work of the ecclesia is to make governmental decisions. But for some reason, during the translation of the King James Bible they decided to replay the word English" "ecclesia" with another English word which means a complete different thing—the word "church".

I wrote about how this change came to be in this post;
https://www.nairaland.com/5546708/church-ecclesia-which-true

Kobojunkie:
@OP, i am curious as to what it is exactly you do with these people that the spirit of God living in the inside of them cpuld not do for them?
As john the apostle told, the Spirit of God is there to teach us every thing we need to know.

So explain to me what it is someone such as my person would benefit from taking your class and what the end goal ought to be?

Are you of the opinion that Christians do not need any training, equipping, edifying, and any form of teaching?

Hiswordxray:
You are almost correct, but the appropriate word for a true Christian fellowship is ecclesia not church. Church literally means something that is of the lord (god), and that includes a building dedicated to a god for worship, like a temple. It is a pagan practice. But ecclesia has nothing to do with buildings, it is a fellowship (a meeting) of a community for the sake of making governmental decisions. In essence, Ecclesia is a government.

"Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means ‘rock’), and upon this rock I will build my church [Ecclesia], and all the gates of hell will not conquer it. And I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. Whatever you forbid on earth will be forbidden in heaven, and whatever you permit on earth will be permitted in heaven." (Matt 16:18-19).

You see the bold, the work of the ecclesia is to make governmental decisions. But for some reason, during the translation of the King James Bible they decided to replay the word English" "ecclesia" with another English word which means a complete different thing—the word "church".

I wrote about how this change came to be in this post;
https://www.nairaland.com/5546708/church-ecclesia-which-true

https://www.nairaland.com/4263508/church-vs-congregation-congregation-yahshua#63812199

I too lmao wrote about how this change came to be in the above post link:

MuttleyLaff:
https://www.nairaland.com/4263508/church-vs-congregation-congregation-yahshua#63812199

I too lmao wrote about how this change came to be in the above post link:

Wow! That was very informative. And it is over two years ago, I even commented there.

So how far have you gone in your ecclesia journey?

Hiswordxray:

Are you of the opinion that Christians do not need any training, equipping, edifying, and any form of teaching?

I just wonder why the Spirit of God living inside of each of us, the very same one that taught you what you know and teach is not able to teach me or anyone else He lives inside of the very same things. Afterall, by His presence, arent we all meant to be synced across space and time?

John said He ought to be all the teacher we need, so is this not true? What is it thst you teach that tge Spirit does not or will not teach your students, that is what i am curious about. Not suggesting in anywsy that the Spirit is impotent in some areas. Just curious as to what to expect.

Kobojunkie:

I just wonder why the Spirit of God living inside of each of us, the very same one that taught you what you know and teach is not able to teach me or anyone else He lives inside of the very same things. Afterall, by His presence, arent we all meant to be synced across space and time?

John said He ought to be all the teacher we need, so is this not true? What is it thst you teach that tge Spirit does not or will not teach your students, that is what i am curious about. Not suggesting in anywsy that the Spirit is impotent in some areas. Just curious as to what to expect.

It is not really teaching, it is more of training and equipping.

"Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers. Their responsibility is to equip God’s people to do his work and build up the church, the body of Christ. This will continue until we all come to such unity in our faith and knowledge of God’s Son that we will be mature in the Lord, measuring up to the full and complete standard of Christ." (Eph 4:11-13).

As for your question, I don't know where to begin to educate you. But since you have the Spirit that teaches you all things and you don't need anyone to teach you. Then I will suggest you ask him to teach you why Jesus gave to his body the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers, and charge them with the responsibility of equipping God’s people.

Many many years ago, back when i was unsure of God , i joined a group while trying to make friends in college. This group happened tried to pull me to God, so i went along with them.
I was led in prayer to confess, repent to be saved and I did it all. Even though deep down i now had even more guilt that i could not shake, i was told i was saved. Then i was told i could speak in tongues as proof that the Spirit of God now resided in me. For days, i stood in prayer woth them as they urged me to let go so the spirit could take control and speak through me.

When it finally came out, I was amazed but my amazement quickly died down. I noticed that i was simply repeating a string of syllables as if it was being played back on a loop of some sort. Then it dawned on me that every other person there was doing the same, speaking syllables in loops.

I then recalled an experience i had as a child in assemblies of God church ikorodu. I used to imitate this lady who claimed to speak in tongues but repeated the same string of syllables over and over throughout her prayer. It was always funny and baffling that even with the same exact sounds coming from her mouth each and every time she burst into speaking in tongues(the church would fall silent whenever she started), the guy who provided interpretation seemed to have volumes to say. I never paid attention to him and his agenda because as a child, probably 7/8 back then, my mind was boggled enough by this woman's incessant need to do this every church service.

The fear of becoming like that woman seized me and i immediately stopped going for the training- next up was interpretation and i would have none of that with the gibberish that was coming out of my mouth.

Of course that entire experience threw me off God for a long time, until some years ago when i had exhausted my own strength. But that experience had served to further convinced me that i needed to find the source, if He truly existed and have Him answer my questions and give me what He has for me, if at all.

So, you could say i have been burned before and so find it necessary to have good understanding of what it is i will gain, be equipped with etc. If i were to submit for this training.

Normal Christians are ordinary Christians not Born Agains. So they can never grow until they are Born of the Spirit.

Kobojunkie:

So, you could say i have been burned before and so find it necessary to have good understanding of what it is i will gain, be equipped with etc. If i were to submit for this training.

Hmmm, I understand now. Let me first of all apologize for what you went through. My prayer is that the body of Christ would grow in the knowledge of Christ and stop being so childish. I have also had cases of Christians who are struggling with tongues, especially with the few syllables thing being repeated over and over again. It is as a result of wrong knowledge. We have not been taught well.

I had the same problem with tongues until God gave me knowledge. Then I started speaking in diverse tongues. At some point I was scared that each time I opened my mouth to speak in tongues something strange comes out, something new. Each time I open my mouth, I had no idea what's going to happen next, it was really scary. I remember this very day I was just switching from one language to another, it was happening so fast. Then it got to a point I started speaking Chinese, now I couldn't take it any more. I stopped speaking in tongues for weeks. It was scary as new language would come out of my mouth every time. At one time I spoke ancient Benin.

Anyway, the Lord has graced me, I have gone through a lot experiences and I have gathered knowledge. And I won't sit back and watch the bride of my dearest Lord suffer from ignorance. I am offering what the Lord has given me, and from what I can observed it has been really helpful. I hope that this knowledge will spread, and the body of Christ will outgrow all of her immaturity.

Amen, the body of Christ is growing. We will not remain stagnant

Here's another question for you - what can you tell me about the "spirit of a prophet"?

Kobojunkie:
Here's another question for you - what can you tell me about the "spirit of a prophet"?

What do you know about the spirit of prophecy?

Hiswordxray:

What do you know about the spirit of prophecy?

nothing much really apart from Paul's mention of it and how it is under the control of the host.

Hiswordxray:

I had the same problem with tongues until God gave me knowledge. Then I started speaking in diverse tongues. At some point I was scared that each time I opened my mouth to speak in tongues something strange comes out, something new. Each time I open my mouth, I had no idea what's going to happen next, it was really scary. I remember this very day I was just switching from one language to another, it was happening so fast. Then it got to a point I started speaking Chinese, now I couldn't take it any more. I stopped speaking in tongues for weeks. It was scary as new language would come out of my mouth every time. At one time I spoke ancient Benin.

Ancient Benin? How did you know what language it was ? What is the name of God in the ancient language that the Spirit of God led you to say?
What abour the Chinese name of God that you were led to say? What about the same of Jesus?

What knowledge was given to you that got you to from speaking in gibberish to speaking differing languages?

Did you have control over the ability to speak in tongues it did it happen to you whenever it would?

How did you eventually get control/get it to stop for weeks? How long did the numerous tongues issue go on for? Has the situation changed since ? How is it much better now?

Hiswordxray:

Anyway, the Lord has graced me, I have gone through a lot experiences and I have gathered knowledge. And I won't sit back and watch the bride of my dearest Lord suffer from ignorance.

Would you say that the Spirit of God leads you to do what you do? As in does He instruct you every step of the way on what to do and how?

Or do you believe we are to initiative and God will back us up in what we do?

Kobojunkie:


Ancient Benin? How did you know what language it was ? What is the name of God in the ancient language that the Spirit of God led you to say?
What abour the Chinese name of God that you were led to say? What about the same of Jesus?

What knowledge was given to you that got you to from speaking in gibberish to speaking differing languages?

Did you have control over the ability to speak in tongues it did it happen to you whenever it would?

How did you eventually get control/get it to stop for weeks? How long did the numerous tongues issue go on for? Has the situation changed since ? How is it much better now?


Would you say that the Spirit of God leads you to do what you do? As in does He instruct you every step of the way on what to do and how?

Or do you believe we are to initiative and God will back us up in what we do?

I was in Benin when I spoke that language. I knew it was ancient Benin when I paid attention to what I was saying, although I don't know the language that well, but I was speaking so fluently in tongues. And I wasn't saying the names of God. When I got the interpretation of what I was saying from the Spirit, I was actually declaring that a the father of a friend of mine is sick and may die. I was interceding that he doesn't die.

The Spirit does lead us, but we are not robots we are sons, and we are also lead by the life of the Son inside of us. I wrote a book and in the last chapter of that book I explained in details how God leads us. I am giving that last chapter as a sample book for free.

God initiate everything by the Son in us and the Son works by the Spirit. We simply continue to do things by the Son and the Helper would help by giving us instructions that are in accordance with what the Son leading us to do.

Kobojunkie:


What knowledge was given to you that got you to from speaking in gibberish to speaking differing languages?

The knowledge is what I teach in my course.

Kobojunkie:

Did you have control over the ability to speak in tongues it did it happen to you whenever it would?

Yes I have control over it

Kobojunkie:

How did you eventually get control/get it to stop for weeks? How long did the numerous tongues issue go on for? Has the situation changed since ? How is it much better now?

I still speak the numerous tongues today, that is, whenever my speaking in tongues gets intense. I have grown to mastery now, I understand how it works better. I can release myself into the dimension of diverse tongue, and I can withhold myself from that dimension. I believe that is what Paul meant when he said the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet. You will have some level of control when you gain mastery.

Kobojunkie:


Would you say that the Spirit of God leads you to do what you do? As in does He instruct you every step of the way on what to do and how?

Or do you believe we are to initiative and God will back us up in what we do?

The book can be downloaded with the link below. It will help you understand how God leads.

https://christcenteredans.files./2020/04/christ-the-christian-spirituality-by-david-emechete-sample-book.pdf

Hiswordxray:

The knowledge is what I teach in my course.


Yes I have control over it


I still speak the numerous tongues today, that is, whenever my speaking in tongues gets intense. I have grown to mastery now, I understand how it works better. I can release myself into the dimension of diverse tongue, and I can withhold myself from that dimension. I believe that is what Paul meant when he said the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet. You will have some level of control when you gain mastery.

So you also sing in tongues?

I don't believe the spirit of the prophet has to do with speaking in tongues though.

Hiswordxray:

The book can be downloaded with the link below. It will help you understand how God leads.
https://christcenteredans.files./2020/04/christ-the-christian-spirituality-by-david-emechete-sample-book.pdf

Thanks! I will try to read it before next weekend and maybe have questions for you then too.

Kobojunkie:

So you also sing in tongues?

I don't believe the spirit of the prophet has to do with speaking in tongues though.

Yeah, I understand, but it follows the same principle in other gifts too

Kobojunkie:

So you also sing in tongues?

I don't believe the spirit of the prophet has to do with speaking in tongues though.

Yes, I sing in tongues and I sing sounds of the Spirit (Spirit Chant).

Hiswordxray:
A brother shared this like a month ago when I was teaching them prophetic utterance. After the teaching he broke into the experience for the first time. He was so excited

Yes, it's wonderful to see more and more people entering into the things of the divine, becoming one with God

Happy Sunday beloved of God

Hiswordxray:

Yes, it's wonderful to see more and more people entering into the things of the divine, becoming one with God

Amen, glory

Hiswordxray:

Amen, glory

Happy weekend, brethren

Hiswordxray:

Happy weekend, brethren

Amen

Happy Sunday beloved of God

Hiswordxray:
Happy Sunday beloved of God

Good afternoon brethren

Hiswordxray:

Good afternoon brethren

Good evening

Hiswordxray:


The book can be downloaded with the link below. It will help you understand how God leads.

https://christcenteredans.files./2020/04/christ-the-christian-spirituality-by-david-emechete-sample-book.pdf

I read the excerpt and I am not sure I get the message at all.
There was, a whole lot of, what i believe has nothing to do with that which Jesus Christ actually taught, in the way, making it hard for the beginnimg message to properly flow through to me, the reader .