Daejoyoung:

Any religous person can allow new information as well. Atheism sometimes makes you close minded too, because you come from a naturalistic world view by default and you interprete everything from that lens, just like Christians who believe in the spiritual want to view things from that lens.

Daejoyoung:

I have told you no, lol.
So how does that prove your point?
I answered your question in my last post as NO.

I don't believe in Allah, so how does that make me an atheist? since you wanna go round in circles, or it may just be that you don't even understand what you are talking about.

atheism
/ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/

disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Kobojunkie:
Well, you did say you were free-minded, not open-minded, in the beginning. I think you are more free-minded than an open-minded person.

I have not seen much of that out of you though.

Xavfra:



That's why I said a greater part......
Free minded as an atheist is that you're able to let in new information into your head (it's your duty to scrutinise it)

I've as well argued with fanatical Christians and most if not all I've met aren't open minded

Xavfra:
Religiousness makes you close minded not atheism.....

Xavfra:
I've seen and heard Christians say that God is infallible and the Bible and.him ain't questionable.......isn't that close-mindedness .....

Xavfra:
There's this Christians I was discussing with here, I raised some points about God, but he dodged it and that's what every religious person I've met does

IamMichael:

If you don't believe in Allah, that places you exactly as an atheist within the meaning of Atheism.


Here let me put it simply for you to understand.

- Daejoyoung doesn't believe in Allah.
- Atheism = disbelief in the existence of God or god's.
Is Allah a God or god's? Yes, Allah is a God/god because 1billion+ people worship Allah as their Almighty God and venerate him.
- Therefore Daejoyoung doesn't believe in the Almighty God of 1billion+ people.

==>- Atheism = disbelief in the existence of God or god's.

Xavfra:

Yes I did.....
So what's the difference......
Me being free minded means I'm able to accept any mind and not giving preference

Free-minded
: having a mind free from care

Open-mindedness is receptiveness to new ideas. Open-mindedness relates to the way in which people approach the views and knowledge of others, and It means to be respected as a mindless person.

Close-minded

: not willing to consider different ideas or opinions: having or showing a closed mind

Kobojunkie:
Close-mindedness is not restricted to the religious circle. Even Atheists can be close-minded. It is a disease of the mind, not religion.
What is close-minded about that? They are simply expressing a fact about God, not about their person.
Dodging a question does not make a person close-minded. There are reasons why even a non-religious person would not respond to questions about themselves or their belief in God. You need to have a clearer idea of what the term refers to.

IamMichael:

They barely are. It's just few of them who do travel out their immediate environment that are open minded.

Daejoyoung:

We are going round in circles, from my first post I told you the definition of atheism is a question of God from a philosophical stand point.

I would simply call you an unbeliever if you are open to the existence of a GOD AS SOURCE but I would never call you an atheist.
That is the bone of contention here, it doesn't matter what or who this God is.

The question is: Are you open to calling anything GOD? you may even believe your phone is God and should be worshipped, and you are no longer an atheist to me. It doesn't mean I also believe your phone is a real god.

Xavfra:
That's how you see it

IamMichael:
- Atheism = disbelief in the existence of God or god's.

IamMichael:


- Atheism = disbelief in the existence of God or god's.

Daejoyoung:

Atheism is disbelief in the existence of God ( any God). It doesn't say atheism is disbelief in the existence of a God or some Gods.

So in that sense, the fact that I ever considered the question of God as relevant, even relevant enough to have my Spaghetti Monster, means the question of God philosophically to me is not an irrelevant question. To the atheist, it is irrelevant. Try to digest what I said, rather than repeating yourself, because by default you assume I don't know what you are trying to say.

You are making a false comparison, and I understood that from the beginning. You are the one ignoring my points.

IamMichael:
They barely are. It's just few of them who do travel out their immediate environment that are open minded.

Kobojunkie:

I am bored, so what the heck, i willl indulge ypu for a few moments.

I believe you are wrong with even this one @OP

As long as any of the mentioned believes in at least one God, then athiesm is ruled out completely.

Dtruthspeaker:


At least you have Established 2 things for us;

1) there is God and
2) there is hell.

Whose God? (In whispers *Ours*)

Whose hell? (In whispers* Our God's Prison*)

ThinkFreely:
Go back, read his statement carefully. You will get his logic.

IamMichael:
- Atheism = disbelief in the existence of God or god's.

Kobojunkie:
His logic? I understand what he is attempting at but the fact is it fails when you consider the meaning of the word in question, and the logic therein.
- Atheism != disbelief in the existence of a particular God or some god's

Xavfra:



Religiousness makes you close minded not atheism.....


I've seen and heard Christians say that God is infallible and the Bible and.him ain't questionable.......isn't that close mindedness .....

There's this Christians I was discussing with here, I raised some points about God, but he dodged it and that's what every religious person I've met does

IamMichael:

Lol.

When are you finally going to realise you are arguing against your points?

All you are doing is stamp everything I'm saying with the stamp of authority.


Your other brethren has stopped replying the moment he was asked a question he knows he cant wriggle his way out of. However, you still continue to buttress my own point better with every reply you give.

Daejoyoung:

Atheism can also be made a religion. By default it is a naturalistic religion, just like deism.
Atheists also like religious people also assume things from a particular stand point, and most times it could difficult to reason with them. Same goes for theists.

Christians can be close minded yes, but I have heard and seen atheists who do not even want to accept that there could be more to the physical world we perceive with our five sense. Atheists who adamantly tout evolution religiously but understand nada about it, and so on.

IamMichael:

They barely are. It's just few of them who do travel out their immediate environment that are open minded.

Xavfra:
Some atheists understand alot about religion that's why they're against it......

Xavfra:
Atheism ain't a religion it's you religious people who call it a religion......

Kobojunkie:
Open-mindedness has nothing to do with travel or the lack of it.

IamMichael:
I don't know if i should laugh at your post, I'm really tempted to, but i won't.
To conceive the idea of travelling in itself is being open-minded to begin with.

IamMichael:
Don't reply this quote, i will ignore it as i see it as diversionary.

Kobojunkie:
His logic? I understand what he is attempting at but the fact is it fails when you consider the meaning of the word in question, and the logic therein.
- Atheism != disbelief in the existence of a particular God or some god's

Daejoyoung:

Are you open minded?

IamMichael:
Adding "a particular" or "some" doesn't help your case. Adding variation to a universally held principle means that you already know that your point is not proof enough.

IamMichael:
What you are currently doing at the moment is called BLIND ARGUMENT.

- Atheism != disbelief in the existence of a particular God or some god's

IamMichael:
You can't be a Freethinker and not be open-minded!

free·think·er
/ˌfrēˈTHiNGkər/

a person who rejects accepted opinions, especially those concerning religious belief.

o·pen-mind·ed
/ˈˌōpən ˈˌmīndid/

willing to consider new ideas; unprejudiced.

IamMichael:

100%.


You can't be a Freethinker and not be open-minded!