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Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Nobody: 4:06pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Daejoyoung: Religiousness makes you close minded not atheism..... I've seen and heard Christians say that God is infallible and the Bible and.him ain't questionable.......isn't that close mindedness ..... There's this Christians I was discussing with here, I raised some points about God, but he dodged it and that's what every religious person I've met does |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by IamMichael(m): 4:07pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Daejoyoung:If you don't believe in Allah, that places you exactly as an atheist within the meaning of Atheism.
Here let me put it simply for you to understand. - Daejoyoung doesn't believe in Allah. - Atheism = disbelief in the existence of God or god's. Is Allah a God or god's? Yes, Allah is a God/god because 1billion+ people worship Allah as their Almighty God and venerate him. - Therefore Daejoyoung doesn't believe in the Almighty God of 1billion+ people. ==>- Atheism = disbelief in the existence of God or god's. 1 Like |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Nobody: 4:08pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Kobojunkie: Yes I did..... So what's the difference ...... Me being free minded means I'm able to accept any mind and not giving preference |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by IamMichael(m): 4:10pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Xavfra:They barely are. It's just few of them who do travel out their immediate environment that are open minded. 1 Like |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Kobojunkie: 4:10pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Xavfra:Close-mindedness is not restricted to the religious circle. Even Atheists can be close-minded. It is a disease of the mind, not religion. Xavfra:What is close-minded about that? They are simply expressing a fact about God, not about their person. Xavfra:Dodging a question does not make a person close-minded. There are reasons why even a non-religious person would not respond to questions about themselves or their belief in God. You need to have a clearer idea of what the term refers to. |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Daejoyoung: 4:11pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
IamMichael:Atheism is disbelief in the existence of God ( any God). It doesn't say atheism is disbelief in the existence of a God or some Gods. So in that sense, the fact that I ever considered the question of God as relevant, even relevant enough to have my Spaghetti Monster, means the question of God philosophically to me is not an irrelevant question. To the atheist, it is irrelevant. Try to digest what I said, rather than repeating yourself, because by default you assume I don't know what you are trying to say. You are making a false comparison, and I understood that from the beginning. You are the one ignoring my points. |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Kobojunkie: 4:14pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Xavfra:You being free-minded simply means you are carefree. Open-mindedness requires a different level of acceptance and openness that you have yet to exhibit Free-minded Open-mindedness is receptiveness to new ideas. Open-mindedness relates to the way in which people approach the views and knowledge of others, and It means to be respected as a mindless person. Close-minded |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Nobody: 4:14pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Kobojunkie: That's how you see it |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Nobody: 4:14pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
IamMichael: Surely...... |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by IamMichael(m): 4:15pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Daejoyoung: - Atheism = disbelief in the existence of God or god's. |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Kobojunkie: 4:16pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Xavfra:That is from the dictionary meaning. You don't get to create your own meaning for existing concepts. |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Kobojunkie: 4:18pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
IamMichael:- Atheism != disbelief in the existence of a particular God or some god's |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Daejoyoung: 4:18pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
IamMichael:Your definition is making my point. You disbelieve in Gods or God or such a concept in the first place. It doesn't say because you disbelieve in certain gods or the gods of religion, but that you disbelieve in the concept. There is a reason we don't call Agnostics and Deists atheists, even though they like you accept no religious God. |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by IamMichael(m): 4:20pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Daejoyoung:Lol. When are you finally going to realise you are arguing against your points? All you are doing is stamp everything I'm saying with the stamp of authority. Your other brethren has stopped replying the moment he was asked a question he knows he cant wriggle his way out of. However, you still continue to buttress my own point better with every reply you give. |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Kobojunkie: 4:21pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
IamMichael:Open-mindedness has nothing to do with travel or the lack of it. |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by ThinkFreely: 4:22pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:Go back, read his statement carefully. You will get his logic. |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by ThinkFreely: 4:23pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker:chai, so you didn’t get the sarcasm in that simple statement. |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by IamMichael(m): 4:24pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
In case you have forgotten, this is the OP: Christians and Muslims are Atheists to other religious god's, they just went one god further! Atheism simply means disbelief in religious god's. So, next time you decide to denigrate another unbeliever, remember you are also denigrating yourself!!! |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Kobojunkie: 4:24pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
ThinkFreely:His logic? I understand what he is attempting at but the fact is it fails when you consider the meaning of the word in question, and the logic therein. IamMichael:- Atheism != disbelief in the existence of a particular God or some god's |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by ThinkFreely: 4:26pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:Yeah, I think you have a point. |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Daejoyoung: 4:27pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Xavfra:Atheism can also be made a religion. By default it is a naturalistic religion, just like deism. Atheists like religious people also assume things from a particular point of view, and most times it could be difficult to reason with them. Same goes for theists. Christians can be close minded yes, but I have heard and seen atheists who do not even want to accept that there could be more to the physical world we perceive with our five senses. Atheists who adamantly tout evolution religiously, but understand nada about it, etc. |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Daejoyoung: 4:29pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
IamMichael:Are deists also atheists? if so, then everyone is an atheist, and then the term atheism becomes meaningless. |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Nobody: 4:31pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Daejoyoung: I wish nairaland had a vn ability....... Some atheists understand alot about religion that's why they're against it...... Atheism ain't a religion it's you religious people who call it a religion...... |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Daejoyoung: 4:33pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
IamMichael:Are you open minded? |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Kobojunkie: 4:33pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Xavfra:That you claim to understand it is no reason to be close-minded though. Xavfra:In itself it is not a religion. But some of those who claim it are religious in their zeal. |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by IamMichael(m): 4:34pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Kobojunkie: I don't know if i should laugh at your post, I'm really tempted to, but i won't. To conceive the idea of travelling in itself is being open-minded to begin with. Don't reply this quote, i will ignore it as i see it as diversionary. |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Kobojunkie: 4:36pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
IamMichael:But open-mindedness has nothing to do with travel or lack of travel. IamMichael:Sure ! What you need is to work on your comprehension skills. We all do it from time to time - at least I do! |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by IamMichael(m): 4:40pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Kobojunkie: Adding "a particular" or "some" doesn't help your case. Adding variation to a universally held principle means that you already know that your point is not proof enough. What you are currently doing at the moment is called BLIND ARGUMENT.
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Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by IamMichael(m): 4:43pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Kobojunkie: 4:44pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
IamMichael:huh? IamMichael:Do you mean this? - Atheism != disbelief in the existence of a particular God or some god'sThe meaning contained states that Atheism IS NOT disbelief in the existence of a particular God or some gods <==> Atheism is disbelief in the existence of God or gods. Do you see they are equivalent? |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Kobojunkie: 4:49pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
IamMichael:You can in fact be one and not the other. Check the dictionary meanings of the terms you use at least. free·think·er o·pen-mind·ed |
Re: All Christians And Muslims Are Atheists. by Daejoyoung: 4:50pm On Jul 01, 2020 |
IamMichael:lol, you are not simply a free thinker because you don't believe in God or because you reject religious gods. At best you should not be an atheist, you should be willing to consider all angles, there are lots of things we don't know yet. So this is the reason I don't see the relationship between atheism and free thinking. Many atheists boldly tell religious folks there is no god. All atheists I know are not open to the supernatural( even if they don't believe in it). How is that free thinking? Are you open to anything? the fact that you look down on religious people makes me think you are not as open minded as you claim. BTW, you can be a free thinker and yet decide to be close minded or adamant due to your inherent bias. Atheism is not simply a worldview on the fence, it makes some assumptions by default. For the fact that it rejects God philosophically |
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