gregyboy:
[s]Stop satisfy your tribal ego with controversial history that holds no wright...... The controversy has really helped your history grow than it has help edo people we are putting record straight this time around, and totally debunking the controversy we never once encountered ife till 1914 the word oba is as indigenous as the city edo and the word benin was given by itsekiri to describe benin people to the Portuguese people , even historical document made it known too edo acknowledged their origin to the north and east My research is still on going wen am done i will create a thread for itI hope you have found something new since your absenceYou're not good at twisting history because you don't even know the truth you're intending to twist if i am to be twisting youruba history i will do it better than you[/s]

gregyboy:
[s]Every benin person who wants to research on the relationship on benin-ife connection should do it with all available materials


You wilk see, benin-ife was just a controversy formed first by Samuel johson, and oba eweka 11 promoted it. For ethnic and political benefit from the yoruba people in early times little did he know benin could stand in thier own as they are doing today[/s]

TAO11:
H.L. Gallwey notes on pages 127-128 of his 1893 "Journeys in the Benin Country, West Africa" along the following paraphrased lines:

"It is virtually impossible that the word 'brave' should appear in the same sentence with the name 'Edo'." 

Reference: H.L. Gallwey, "Journeys in the Benin Country, West Africa", The Geographical Journal, Vol. 1, No. 2 (Feb., 1893), pp. 127-128. 

gregyboy:
[s]Cowards......... You dedicated yourself reading our history back and forth just to find a soft landing for your controversy in the long you fell inlove with our history and you have read all benin documents than an average benin person would have But am glad behind the keyboard you know the benin-ife narrative was made up , it was just a misunderstood narrative supported by ethnicity and political motives and nothing moreBenin-ife was a lie, in my aim to read to defeat yorubas claims i found the truthCowards..... History nevers forget how female dahomey warriors ransacked your overrated empire to an halt and the fulani totally destroyed the remains, we bleeped your ancestors aworis from thier lands and drove them to outskirts and enacted our stoolOba eweka11 made those statements for the benefits attached with the rising country and it should be regarded as that and not taken to far nothing existed between benin and ife, benin oyo war did happen not the benin-ife controversy taken to far......[/s]

TAO11:


(1) It's not an oath per se, but rather the culminating rites that grants him final authority as King over his Edo subjects.

(2) It's not at the spot of the "Oranmiyan Obelisk" per se, but rather inside the "Oranmiyan House" where Oranmiyan himself is belived to reside eternally.

To be clear, tourists who visit the Oranmiyan grove, may go near the Obelisk. But there is a special place quite some distance from the Obelisk -- called Ile Oranmiyan -- where no tourist may visit.

That place is the "House of Oranmiyan" where a new "Omo N'oba N'Edo", et al., must visit for his culminating ascension rites.

Although I should add that a ram is often sacrificed (at the pathway near the Obelisk) whose blood the new "Omo N'oba" must walk on in procession to the "House of Oranmiyan" where the culmination ascension rites will be carried out.

(3) This is the traditional reason behind why all new Omo N'obas visit Ife. Every other reason you hear of is a cover-up.

A new Ife king have no business visiting Benin on ascension, but it is mandatory that a new Benin King visit Ife.

The internet has some fun memories of at least three of such visits to Ife of Akenzua2, Erediauwa1, and Ewuare2.

And I can assure you 100% that Ewuare2 -- the reigning Benin monarch -- did indeed make it to complete the above-described rites.

During this rite, the signature Ife's "Ada" is re-consecrated and re-presented to the new Omo N'oba as his sign of authority over his Edo subjects.

This is why, among the Edos, the Oba of Benin is NOT praised as the owner of the Ada. Rather, he is praised as the child of the owner of the Ada -- "Ovbi' Ada".

(4) Just for fun, some other interesting praise titles by which the Oba of Benin is praised in Edo land include:

(A) "Ovbi' Adimula" -- meaning: "The son of Adimula".
(Ask them what or who is Adimula in the Edo language).

(B) "Ikeji Orisa" -- meaning: "The Second to the deities".
(Ask them if these words actually exist in their language).

(C) "Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua N'Uhe" -- meaning: "The son of the wealthy Odua of Uhe".
(Ask them why the praise regard him as the son of a cOrRupTeD wOrD and not son of Ekaladerhan, lol.).

(D) "Ovbi' oven owie no gbaisi (erhan gba iri)" -- meaning: "The son of the morning sun that covers everywhere".
(Ask them where this morning sun lights up from according to Edo tradition).

gregyboy:



Cowards......... You dedicated yourself reading our history back and forth just to find a soft landing for your controversy in the long you fell inlove with our history and you have read all benin documents than an average benin person would have
But am glad behind the keyboard you know the benin-ife narrative was made up , it was just a misunderstood narrative supported by ethnicity and political motives and nothing more

Benin-ife was a lie, in my aim to read to defeat yorubas claims i found the truth


Cowards..... History nevers forget how female dahomey warriors ransacked your overrated empire to an halt and the fulani totally destroyed the remains, we bleeped your ancestors aworis from thier lands and drove them to outskirts and enacted our stool



Oba eweka11 made those statements for the benefits attached with the rising country and it should be regarded as that and not taken to far nothing existed between benin and ife, benin oyo war did happen not the benin-ife controversy taken to far......

gregyboy:



Cowards......... You dedicated yourself reading our history back and forth just to find a soft landing for your controversy in the long you fell inlove with our history and you have read all benin documents than an average benin person would have
But am glad behind the keyboard you know the benin-ife narrative was made up , it was just a misunderstood narrative supported by ethnicity and political motives and nothing more

Benin-ife was a lie, in my aim to read to defeat yorubas claims i found the truth


Cowards..... History nevers forget how female dahomey warriors ransacked your overrated empire to an halt and the fulani totally destroyed the remains, we bleeped your ancestors aworis from thier lands and drove them to outskirts and enacted our stool



Oba eweka11 made those statements for the benefits attached with the rising country and it should be regarded as that and not taken to far nothing existed between benin and ife, benin oyo war did happen not the benin-ife controversy taken to far......

Trinitykey:
Benin Oyo war you are nutcase ... Oyo is renown empire that subjugated kingdoms into its Empire , Bariba borgu kingdom, ,Nupe kingdom Dahomey .even part of ashanti land conquered Ashanti kingdom in battle of atakpeme in Togo upper volta maintain strong diplomacy with sSonghai empire when must of northern region were under the Songhai empire . Hausa were used as slaves in Oyo empire fulanis merceneries and hausa slaves were recruited into Oyo cavalry ....Benin kingdom only fight with but naked igbos and ikas in the forest

Trinitykey:
Benin Oyo war you are nutcase ... Oyo is renown empire that subjugated kingdoms into its Empire , Bariba borgu kingdom, ,Nupe kingdom Dahomey .even part of ashanti land conquered Ashanti kingdom in battle of atakpeme in Togo upper volta maintain strong diplomacy with sSonghai empire when must of northern region were under the Songhai empire . Hausa were used as slaves in Oyo empire fulanis merceneries and hausa slaves were recruited into Oyo cavalry ....Benin kingdom only fight with but naked igbos and ikas in the forest

gregyboy:


Yujin would come for your head now, tribal bigot you pushed igbos to d front and hid yours

Trinitykey:
Are you for real Gregyboy? you are living in total delusion no one is fighting battle of supremacy with you people Oba benin is our illustrious son ,,Benin kingdom remain part of Oduduwa territory, Oba beinin is highly revered in Yoruba land being Lineage of oranmiyan and oduduwa, if not second to Oni because the kingship was established before Oyo ,,,if you are trying to elienate Oba of benin from yorubas is to your own detriment not ours because the people and region you are gravitating towards have to regard for your Oba, ijaw or irhobos .ikas or ibos

Trinitykey:
Benin Oyo war you are nutcase ... Oyo is renown empire that subjugated kingdoms into its Empire , Bariba borgu kingdom, ,Nupe kingdom Dahomey .even part of ashanti land conquered Ashanti kingdom in battle of atakpeme in Togo upper volta maintain strong diplomacy with sSonghai empire when must of northern region were under the Songhai empire . Hausa were used as slaves in Oyo empire fulanis merceneries and hausa slaves were recruited into Oyo cavalry ....Benin kingdom only fight with but naked igbos and ikas in the forest

gregyboy:



Did you say oyo calvary, in the hausa account they brought calvary to oyo people so it wasnt oyo calvary the hausa were not brought as slaves but as machineries who gave to help afonja break free from oyo, and the various yoruba account afonja didnt subdue through but through mutual understanding

Yujin:

See how Yoruba people lie up and down. I've challenged your people to bring proofs of the so called Oyo empire as written by European explorers but non of them showed face. All that's written about the non-existed empire was concocted by Yoruba scholars just to promote your people. Firstly, you never conquered nupe nor the Fons. At present I don't know about the Borgus but I'll research about them soon.
How can Yorubas claim that Oyo was an empire when a huge chunk of other Yoruba clans were under the Benin empire. Were the Ondos and Ekitis not under the political influence of Benin? Was Oyo ever politically known in Ondo or even Ijebu? Does the moat in Ijebuland not tell you that they once were affiliated with the Binis? Only the Binis in the whole of Nigeria were known for constructing moats for defensive purpose. That one is found in Ijebuland shows the Binis once had some activity over there. This makes it easier yo understand how the Binis got to Lagos. Yorubas never had kings with the title of Oba but after they heard about the title of the Benin King, they had to copy the title and are even trying to claim it at present.
If you don't want me to release more missiles on your empty head, desist from calling Igbos in your discussion on this thread. If you persist, I'll return with bigger guns.

Yujin:

See how Yoruba people lie up and down. I've challenged your people to bring proofs of the so called Oyo empire as written by European explorers but non of them showed face. All that's written about the non-existed empire was concocted by Yoruba scholars just to promote your people. Firstly, you never conquered nupe nor the Fons. At present I don't know about the Borgus but I'll research about them soon.
How can Yorubas claim that Oyo was an empire when a huge chunk of other Yoruba clans were under the Benin empire. Were the Ondos and Ekitis not under the political influence of Benin? Was Oyo ever politically known in Ondo or even Ijebu? Does the moat in Ijebuland not tell you that they once were affiliated with the Binis? Only the Binis in the whole of Nigeria were known for constructing moats for defensive purpose. That one is found in Ijebuland shows the Binis once had some activity over there. This makes it easier yo understand how the Binis got to Lagos. Yorubas never had kings with the title of Oba but after they heard about the title of the Benin King, they had to copy the title and are even trying to claim it at present.
If you don't want me to release more missiles on your empty head, desist from calling Igbos in your discussion on this thread. If you persist, I'll return with bigger guns.

Yujin:

See how Yoruba people lie up and down. I've challenged your people to bring proofs of the so called Oyo empire as written by European explorers but non of them showed face. All that's written about the non-existed empire was concocted by Yoruba scholars just to promote your people. Firstly, you never conquered nupe nor the Fons. At present I don't know about the Borgus but I'll research about them soon.
How can Yorubas claim that Oyo was an empire when a huge chunk of other Yoruba clans were under the Benin empire. Were the Ondos and Ekitis not under the political influence of Benin? Was Oyo ever politically known in Ondo or even Ijebu? Does the moat in Ijebuland not tell you that they once were affiliated with the Binis? Only the Binis in the whole of Nigeria were known for constructing moats for defensive purpose. That one is found in Ijebuland shows the Binis once had some activity over there. This makes it easier yo understand how the Binis got to Lagos. Yorubas never had kings with the title of Oba but after they heard about the title of the Benin King, they had to copy the title and are even trying to claim it at present.
If you don't want me to release more missiles on your empty head, desist from calling Igbos in your discussion on this thread. If you persist, I'll return with bigger guns.

Trinitykey:
How did edo get to lagos i guess they flown over ijebus .. Stop deceiving yourselves ,,you people are just making mockery of yourselves ..Portuguise explorers brought Benin chiefs and prince to lagos island aboard their merchant ships .. .lagos island had been Portugiise trading point in 15century trading with the Aworis before Portuguise had acesss to the hinder land to know about the Benin from the itshekiri.. Benin prince was made Eleko by the Aworis on small portion of land called eko lagos island ., not entire lagos.. Ijebus are just too much for benins

Trinitykey:
ibos ibos are not humans bunch of cannibals

Trinitykey:
Edo never had an Empire stop that stupid ,,No time ondo was under Benin

Yujin:

Lol. Go and enquire from the 'Osemawe' of Ondo Town. You don't even know your own history. Shame on you.

Yujin:

Lol. So it was the Portuguese that brought the binis to Lagos? What century was that and where was the so called Oyo empire when the Binis ruled over the aworis?

Trinitykey:
Benin never ruled over Aworis stop this propangada.. Aworis in lagos made Benin prince Eleko because he is prince from benin and decendant of Adimula olofin Oduduwa and Oranmiya "Awo ri Awo'",Aworis are descendant of Ogunfunminire omo Olofin adimula friom ile- ife... every Benin prince speak yoruba fluently Benin is oduduwa land ,,we yorubas are historical people we don't joke with it, we can assimilate into different culture and pickup different language but we will still hold on to our lineage and history, go to Benin Republic,Togo, Sierra leon,e Ivory Coast,. Gambia ,Ghana you will find yoruba tribes there with their historical lineage history intact even though their language had evolved over the centuries because they are far away from their mother land ,,even in Edo you will see yoruba people having Yoruba ancestry Oriki family lineage poem,..Lukumi of delta state..

Yujin:

Yorubas can lie ehn! Mention any yoruba tribe in Ivory coast, Ghana or The Gambia and I'll give you N500 airtime.

Trinitykey:
First Benin prince came to lagos through Portuguise explorer on their merchant ship.

Yujin:

Yorubas can lie ehn! Mention any yoruba tribe in Ivory coast, Ghana or The Gambia and I'll give you N500 airtime.

Yujin:

See how Yoruba people lie up and down. I've challenged your people to bring proofs of the so called Oyo empire as written by European explorers but non of them showed face. All that's written about the non-existed empire was concocted by Yoruba scholars just to promote your people.

Yujin:
Does the moat in Ijebuland not tell you that they once were affiliated with the Binis? Only the Binis in the whole of Nigeria were known for constructing moats for defensive purpose. That one is found in Ijebuland shows the Binis once had some activity over there

Trinitykey:
Oba beinin is highly revered in Yoruba land being Lineage of oranmiyan and oduduwa, if not second to Oni because the kingship was established before Oyo.