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Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Rilwayne001: 9:30am On Aug 09, 2020 |
Maximus69: WHAT'S YOUR OPINION? |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by BrownCookie(f): 9:51am On Aug 09, 2020 |
My opinion is that you should stop picking the verses that suit & support your stingy nature. Rilwayne001: 3 Likes |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Rilwayne001: 10:03am On Aug 09, 2020 |
BrownCookie: Exactly. I believe the world would be a better place if we love people for being human, and not for whatever religious affiliations they answer to. But our secret cultists in the name of JW disagrees, just as maximus69 has vehemently defended the act of not helping people who don't belong to his secret cult. If truly this was the love Jesus preached, and what God really wants, then I can't help it, because this is exactly the kind of figure that Satan is. Hence we can say the secret cult of Maximus69 is just another cult of satanist that enjoy watching the world suffer in so far they enjoy life. Smh 4 Likes |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by efficiencie(m): 10:19am On Aug 09, 2020 |
Rilwayne001: The main verse to buttress this doctrine is Psalm 37:25. Now let's look at the verse. It says "...yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken" and one must realize that though the righteous is never forsake it does not mean the righteous does not go through challenges which may result in the fall of the righteous (Proverbs 26:27). The fall of the righteous could result in him begging, doing menial jobs or scrapping at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder but the righteous man will rise again and it is this juncture of the life of the righteous that we can we have never seen the righteous forsaken. However when we see the righteous in the ugly, dark and gloomy hours of his life we will all be tempted to say he has been forsaken but when like David we observe a man at the latter part of his life we see that he is ultimately not forsaken. Jesus Himself the main example here. With regards to the portion of the verse that says: "..., nor his seed begging bread", we must realize that this is case of the seed of the righteous enjoying the supernatural inheritance of righteous parents...but we must understand that when the righteous falls, his fall will affect his children as well and as I have mentioned before in this phase of life it would seem that the children are now beggars but in the fullness of time the fortunes of the righteous turn and the same transcends to his seed. If children of GOD must not give to beggars, then we need to ask why the HolyGhost inspired Solomon to write the following verses: Proverbs 14:31 He that oppresseth the poor reproacheth his Maker: but he that honoureth him hath mercy on the poor. Proverbs 21:13 Whoso stoppeth his ears at the cry of the poor, he also shall cry himself, but shall not be heard. Proverbs 19:17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again. These verses are clear that there is no crime in being poor...The LORD GOD is their maker and whoever gives to their hospitality gives to the LORD GOD Himself and this is evident in the words of Jesus Himself in Matthew 25: 31-46 2 Likes |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Rilwayne001: 12:41pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
efficiencie: Cc: Maximus69 |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by FOLYKAZE(m): 12:57pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
That is the nature of JW as laid down in the bible by Jehovah, and shown by Maximus69. I found this link https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/charity.php That link exposes that JW will not provide charitable help to you if you are non-jw. They do not have respect for humanity which are seen the high rises of death rate from refusal of blood transfusion. There is also rising cases of child molestations that are covered up in these society. One could see Maximus69 making mockery of a woman who needed financial help, and tatime always on standby to support such wicked acts. I see reasons why government clamp down on jw. They are run by brainwashed wicked souls 5 Likes |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Nobody: 2:18pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
efficiencie: You are right about the words of Solomon! Jesus even told Judas Iscariot saying "you will always have the poor in your midst, do whatever you can for them but you will not always have me" Mark 14:7 So Jesus never taught his followers to ignore the poor in their midst, but care should be taken when talking about the poor here. Jesus was referring to the poor ones amongst the Christians, not that one should turn himself to a philanthropist all because he wants to prove he's good! 1Corinthians 13:3 Christians are to make sure that their fellow believers don't go out begging unbelievers for assistance because that will bring reproach on God's holy name! Psalms 23:1,3 We don't also encourage laziness by giving any Dick and Harry that comes begging for alms, rather we encourage each person to work {2Thessalonians 3:10} so in order to be balance in our operations, we encourage each member of God's Organization to relate well with fellow believers in his territory so that if there arises any call for assistance and the local congregation can't meet up with the expenses, we can easily call out to other congregations to assist our brother or sister in need {2Corinthians 8:4} by so doing, nobody will know the particular brother or sister that contributed more or less and all glory and honour goes to our God! Matthew 6:2 That's why true Christians don't just give beggars money because in most cases, the same beggar whom people think they're trying to show kindness may turn to join forces with robbers once he already knew your worth! Most people don't understand why Jesus or his followers never had an encounter with theives, well it's because they don't display their riches by giving unnecessarily! 1John 2:15-17 |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by achorladey: 5:52pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
Rilwayne001: Sometimes the words of Maximus69 is filled with . Na the lens of the organization he belongs follow add to the palaver. When someone begins to fill the military intelligence in the army counts a lot scripturally this is what you get to see. An experience with a retired military officer says those that really understand what it means to be a military man don't go about oppressing or boasting about being one. I wonder what the boast in being a Military intelligence officer have to do with the discussion on nairaland sometimes. Back to the issue at hand.......... Matthew 6: Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds(gifts to the poor) before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven. 2 Therefore, when you do a charitable deed(gifts to the poor) , do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 3 But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing. It is clear that as Jesus said we will as Christians do charitable deeds or gifts to the poor and it is not restricted to fellow Christians alone. Matthew 5: 43 You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. So the below from Maximus69 is what was cooked from his mind and brain Flash! True Christians don't give beggars money, Jesus never taught us to do so, that's why you can't find a single worshiper of God who is a beggar neither can you find a place where a Christian give a beggar a dime! What one would have expected Maximus69 to have done during the issue FOLYKAZE had since he sees himself as being on a higher moral ground than FOLYKAZE was to heed this in Matthew 5: 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you. But what did Maximus69 do was something else and defending the act by saying another person had done the same. It was just Charitable deeds(gifts to the poor) is not restricted to MONEY it embraces a lot. Peter did gifts of mercy at Acts 3:2-6. Jesus did gifts of mercy to a blind beggar and during the time of the Israelites that were told not to completely glean their fields to be left as gifts of mercy for the poor. Jesus did deed gifts of mercy to a SYROPHOENICIAN WOMAN who begged as well. 2 Likes |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Janosky: 6:03pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
FOLYKAZE: LIAR DECEIVING yourself. Continue LYING What do you profit by posting FICTITIOUS claims about JWs? Jehovah’s Witnesses often help when disaster strikes. We provide practical relief assistance to both Witnesses and non-Witnesses, in harmony with the Bible’s instruction at Galatians 6:10: “Let us work what is good toward all, but especially toward those related to us in the faith.” We also try to give the emotional and spiritual support that victims sorely need at such times.—2 Corinthians 1:3, 4. JWs render help to our neighbors and anyone in need but we OBEY Jesus instructions on this matter (Matthew 6:1-4). |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by achorladey: 6:05pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
Janosky: This one below na LIE or TRUTH? True Christians don't give beggars money, Jesus never taught us to do so, that's why you can't find a single worshiper of God who is a beggar neither can you find a place where a Christian give a beggar a dime The article cited in that link are equally FICTITIOUS the organization that published the article too are they FICTITIOUS? |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Janosky: 6:13pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
achorladey: Is Achorladey a beggar? Please wear rag ,go Siddon for your street junction for one month and come back here to present your first hand experiences to this forum |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by achorladey: 6:18pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
Janosky: Is that the answer to the question asked? I know you never beg before for this world. Leave the matter of is Achorladey a beggar? and attempt the question compassion and empathy one has towards beggars should make you feel their plight without having firsthand experience . Answer the question asked previously? 2 Likes |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Rilwayne001: 6:26pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
achorladey: God bless you. I didn't know Jehovah witness were this horrible till today. No wonder everyone disdain them. I didn't know they disdain themselves so much that they disdain humanity too. What kind of a foolish teaching is that? Damn!! |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by achorladey: 6:51pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
Maximus69 @ 9:30 am Flash! True Christians don't give beggars money, Jesus never taught us to do so, that's why you can't find a single worshiper of God who is a beggar neither can you find a place where a Christian give a beggar a dime! Five hours later Maximus69 @ 2:18 pm So Jesus never taught his followers to ignore the poor in their midst, but care should be taken when talking about the poor here. Jesus was referring to the poor ones amongst the Christians, not that one should turn himself to a philanthropist all because he wants to prove he's good! Speaking from both side of the mouth.............DUPLICITY all over |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Kobojunkie: 7:10pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
Rilwayne001: 1. Jesus Christ definitely hung out with the "ungodly". He mingled with them each and everyday He could. 2. Jesus Christ spent a lot of time among the poor, and the broken. He even fed them by the thousands. 3. Jesus Christ never mentioned that w never help the poor financially. After all some among the first Christians, documented in the book of Acts, sold their property and fields, and the amount from that they put forward to be used in caring for the poor, sick, orphaned and widowed, not only amongst them. 1 Like |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by FOLYKAZE(m): 7:16pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
Janosky: Have you not proven the claim in the link? JW often help. What is JW foundation called please? JW render help but. Why clause? Maybe help is only rendered to members only. |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Nobody: 8:15pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
Kobojunkie: Bible quotation for this please! Jesus mingled with people of various class - YES Jesus fed those who comes to listen to his talks both spiritually and physically - YES Jesus encourages financial assistance for the poor - YES Christians sold what they had and shared the money only AMONGST themselves not with unbelievers! That's where you presumptuously added what you think not what was WRITTEN! Act 4:34-35
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Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by achorladey: 8:22pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
FOLYKAZE: The interesting thing about this is when a member was asked here that, is the JW organization a CHARITY organization? The individual said NO. When the article of association used in registration of the organization legally was shown, It stated clearly that the organization is a charitable organization. The question is, why are the members not aware of the status of the organization as being charitable? |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Janosky: 10:17pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
achorladey: JWs have a registered charity. So what? Bros why you dey drink Panadol , Tramadol and burutanci for JWs matter? |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Janosky: 10:22pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
FOLYKAZE:Mr atheist, if this sentence is beyond your level of comprehension, JWs render help to our neighbors and anyone in need but we OBEY Jesus instructions on this matter (Matthew 6:1-4). Omo, na your own wahala be that |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by malvisguy212: 11:07pm On Aug 09, 2020 |
Janosky:address the op bro, true christian doesn't give alm ? |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Nobody: 3:18am On Aug 10, 2020 |
malvisguy212: Most people just presume what they feel should be called Christianity instead of reading, studying and meditating on God's inspired word (Bible) From Genesis to Revelation you can never find a place where a worshiper of God give alm to any beggar. The reason is that God of course say we should take care of the needs of our fellow man but that means ascertaining what your neighbour needed not his want! When you assist your fellowman with food, clothing or a place to lay his head, you're working what is good provided the person in question is not lazy but when you give alms to anyone asking then you're promoting idleness. That is why you're seeing able bodied men and women going about begging for alms otherwise it would only have been those that are truly in need that we all will see! God bless you! |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Kobojunkie: 4:10am On Aug 10, 2020 |
* Jesus Christ's commandment to give to all without holding back * Jesus Christ's teaching on the reward of giving in obedience * Jesus Commands Peter to engage in works of Righteousness, details of which are found in Matthew 24 vs 31 through 40(Sheeps vs Goats)
* Jesus Christ's followers sell all and put the funds towards taking care of the needs of the lot * The first christian experience -- the first Christians ran a pantry system in Rome that, during the great famine, catered to a good portion of the population.
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Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Nobody: 4:20am On Aug 10, 2020 |
Kobojunkie: Yes! Christ taught his followers to assist one another, he himself never gave any beggar a dime neither did any of his followers do such, all the contributions and equal sharing happened AMONGST them UNBELIEVERS weren't included in whatever the first century Christians practice amongst themselves. The OP wasn't patient enough to learn why things has to be so, but if anyone wish to know i'll use the scriptures to explain! |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Kobojunkie: 4:31am On Aug 10, 2020 |
Maximus69:* Jesus Christ's commandment to give to all without holding back
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Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Nobody: 4:51am On Aug 10, 2020 |
Rilwayne001: I decided to allow you see how far those claiming Christians will come and do justice to the issue on ground with the use of God's word! At least you can now see that they're all teaching people the tradition of men not what the Bible REALLY teach. Matthew 15:9 There is a great chasm between NEEDS and WANTS, that is where most people failed to grasp what Jesus taught about kindness. Someone really poor may need to care for his pregnant wife medically, Bill Gate may choose to foot the bill by taking the pregnant woman to the world's best hospital without giving the family a penny, after all what they NEEDED is taking care of the pregnant woman and seeing to it that she has a safe delivery {Matthew 20:29-34} but most people are GREEDY, instead of being grateful for the assistance rendered they'll presume the man supposed to enrich them after all he's the world's richest man! If we're to consider the way Jesus got money through a life fish {Matthew 17:27} it's enough to prove that money is not his problem, Jesus has the power to enrich himself and anyone for that matter, but he will not! WHY? Because evil goes along with money due to the imperfect nature of man and these are the ones Jesus has to deal with throughout his life and ministry. 1Timothy 6:5-10 So it's not about being stingy or wicked, but about having wisdom in dealing with humans whose wants are countless whereas what they REALLY need is few! Matthew 6:31-32 1 Like |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Nobody: 5:00am On Aug 10, 2020 |
Kobojunkie: Of course you're quoting Jesus' words but do you care for the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what he is saying? Search through the scriptures again and see if he himself gave any beggar a dime or where any of his disciples did, at least you can't understand this man much more than his own followers who lived with him and heard him directly in their own mother tongue! 1 Like |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Image123(m): 5:27am On Aug 10, 2020 |
A true Jehovah wickedness will NEVER admit he is wrong. You guys don't need to pass this first page arguing with JWs. |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Kobojunkie: 5:29am On Aug 10, 2020 |
The same /similar is found in the book of Proverbs
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Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Nobody: 7:57am On Aug 10, 2020 |
Image123: Just quote a verse where a worshiper of God gave a dime to a beggar, that's all! I know the OP can understand what i'm saying it may sound unpalatable but that's the truth, if you want to be a Christian you must follow the ACT of the first century Christians, in Antioch the onlookers called Jesus' followers "Christians" not because the Christians were acting in line with what people expect them to do but because they were carrying out their activities exactly the way Jesus the one who claims to be Christ did! Act 11:26 So instead of presuming what Christianity means why not follow the standard set by the first century pioneers of this religion? Can you quote a verse where any of them gave a beggar any money? |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by Nobody: 8:26am On Aug 10, 2020 |
Kobojunkie: This is the reason why all of you keep arguing endlessly amongst yourselves over what should and shouldn't be! Each time i see you guys arguing and getting likes from those whose hearts approves what you are saying, i just laugh because one man's meat is another man's poison. So each one of you keep arguing just to soothe your heart's desire whereas you can never agree on any standard, there will always be confusion and division amongst you people! Luke 11:23 Only Jehovah's Witnesses have settled for the standard set by the first century Christians, so even though it's not as palatable as picking what you wish, each one of us try to put away our old personality to meet up with that standard, that's why there is LOVE, JOY and PEACE permeating our gatherings! John 17:20-23 1 Like |
Re: Is This The True Love Jesus Taught Or Just A Secret Cult Love? by achorladey: 9:04am On Aug 10, 2020 |
Janosky: Pele! You don dey vex? |
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