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Ofemmanu1:
No twisting here bro, you just need to understand.
Man built that tower to make himself like a God. They had ulterior motives and were godless. They had forgotten who their first love should have been (God). God confounded Their language so that they could not finish that tower that supposedly was going to reach it to heaven. The people had nothing but power and wealth in their heads. As to Babylon, in the last days, Revelation in the Bible tells us it will be destroyed and that every rich man depending on the economy at that time will mourn.

In the last days (which we are now in), Revelation in the Bible tells us it will be destroyed and that every rich man depending on the economy at that time will be devastated financially.
We are definitely in the last years. Nearly all of the signs have been fulfilled. Watch for the Peace Treaty that will be executed between Israel and the Arab nations (which President Trump is putting together right now). Once that is signed and executed, we humans have few years left on the earth. Also, the Christians will recognize the Anti-Chrst at that time. God’s wrath will come down the in last years on unbelievers.
I know this may sound crazy, but remember that you were told this. (Christians will be martyred by the anti-Christ as told to us in Matthew 24 by the Son of God, Jesus).
All of this sounds like nonsense to non-Christians, but true Christians will know what I am talking about.

Don't say you weren't told.

FOLYKAZE:
You are really deceiving yourself Mr.

God was against human unity and innovation. Read your Bible very well

Genesis 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

Verse 6 said if they continued in unity, speaking one language, nothing is impossible for them to achieve. He then in verse 7 confounded them, infesting disunity among them so that they abandon the project

FOLYKAZE:
Tell us why God hate human unity? Remember disunity has cost us lot of problems. And unity has made us achieve the impossibles. Is it God plan that human should disunite?

Inteltower:
I only wonder where your heads at

you talk of uniting

please if you have a female child please and please tell her to follow a gang of rapists ok
it also called unity

there is country called Virgin & holy women and there is a country called A million tape gang

please ambassador from a good countryside will you want to unite both countries ?

adoyi8:
I will like to engage you as today is sunday and I am not wasting my time in church but unfortunately you did say anything just a load of gibberish.

Vulcanheph:
I totally agree with you....there is a high possibility that jesus never existed and even if he did he probably wasn't as the Bible made him up to be, every free thinker out there should read dan brown's novel "The da Vinci code" , i'm not saying everything in the book is real , but the book will open your mind.

Maximus69:
Please are you saying we can discuss in PEACE without having to insult one another now?
Because i have a lot to share regarding the topic but i just don't want to get you upset or provoked as you often get irritated when a commentator isn't flowing with you.
Jehovah's Witnesses will tell you what's wrong with the building of the tower Sir!

PEACE FOLY

Inteltower:
That's why you should enter into the family of God to understand how judgement will be made on that day
your question is easy to answer but won't waste my time on people: a fallen race clouded by assumption and wickedness who have no moral standing to judge God

FOLYKAZE:
Man was actually created in the likeness of God. What then is wrong if they are innovative like God?

You are here telling us about ulterior motives when the Bible stated they intent making a tower that it tops reach heaven. There is no ulterior motive here except one you invent in your mind.

Man has built skyscrapers taller than the tower of babel. We have launched probes into space. Does God hate innovation when he benefit from same innovation?

Maximus69:
@FOLYKAZE

Can we chat peacefully and respect each other's opinion?
I love presenting my beliefs with respect and regards for my audience, so even if they don't by my opinion, we can live together as neighbours at least we'll understand what each person likes and dislikes!

Ofemmanu1:
Yes, we have evolved very well and rebelled too.
It's all about time bro, harvest day is comin.
Only time will tell.

FOLYKAZE:
Like someone said here, let us agree for the sake of today and this thread that Jesus existed.

The tower of babel is fictional too. But we dey talk about am for the sake of arriving at a point. Unity and innovation

FOLYKAZE:
Space exploration is not rebellious. Building edifice and skyscraper is not evil. These only show our brilliance and innovative minds, and God suppose to appreciate that. Also should apologize for despising our ideas which have helped his ministrations.

A woman would set foot on moon in 2024. Imagine we have a base on moon. Imagine sex on the moon? The sky is not out limit, the vastness of space and universe is up to us to conquer.

A God should always have foresight. Omo buruku lojo ti re.

Ofemmanu1:
God doesn't hate unity.
He hate sin, rebellion and all evil vices.

Psalm 5:10

Hold them guilty, O God;
By their own devices let them fall!
In the multitude of their transgressions thrust them out,
For they are rebellious against You.

Ofemmanu1:
Sex on the moon?!
Hehehe..
You see that.
Youve got the whole earth to ejaculate but you still wanna do it in the moon.
Floyd haaa?!
Smh

FOLYKAZE:
I wouldn't have mentioned you if I don't want you here.

Shoot please

Maximus69:
OK, i'll be back in less than two hours, we're having our meetings on ZOOM in less than 15 minutes from now. See you later!

FOLYKAZE:
Could you show us the sin, rebellion, and evil vices in Gen 11:6
Genesis 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

These people are one (united). They speak one language (another unity). And through unity, they attained the height of 91m. With this unity, they can achieve anything they set their mind on. Hence, God disunite them by confounding their language.

Ofemmanu1:
Unity, innovation and Rebellion is a bad combo.

Look around you bro.
Evidence continues to mount that Toynbee was correct in remarking that humankind is most likely a planetary disease. To back up his observations, biologists who have studied satellite images documenting the explosive increase in human populations and our patterns of settlement around the globe note that these patterns exactly replicate the growth and spread of malignant cancerous cells.

World population now stands at approximately 6.5 billion and is expanding at the rate of about 70-80 million people a year. Despite the best efforts of governments and NGOs, some 2 to 3 billion people on planet Earth today will live out their desperate lives in abject poverty and squalor with no real hope of any better living conditions. How about a life in the hereafter, you may ask? Taking comfort in ancient myths that evolved before science effectively debunked them only exacerbates the problem and accelerates our plunge into collective misery and ultimate extinction.

The survival of the human species depends on the vast majority of the human population finally accepting the fact that we all have but one life to live and we will live it here on Earth. If and when this reality dawns, there is a chance that the all important Balance of Nature may be established and all life forms may continue to live in harmony for millennia to come.

As there simply are too many variables, no one can estimate exactly what the human carrying capacity of planet Earth may be, however there are indications that this capacity may already have been exceeded and sustainability may be in question. It has been established without doubt that our climate world-wide is changing drastically, and most likely that this sudden and rapid change has been brought about by human endeavors such as burning fossil fuels and spewing their by-products into the atmosphere. The results of this change are as yet unknown, but by most projections will have a profound and mostly negative effect on humankind.

Today, upwards of one third of the human population hangs on by a thread, energy demands are increasingly outstripping production, and competition for bare essentials such as food, water and shelter will soon near the breaking point. It is the responsibility of those living today to begin to establish limits to growth in order to dissuade Mother Nature, just a few generations down the road, from employing her draconian, and absolutely certain, methods of curtailing the number of human beings that are rapidly consuming the Earth and all of its resources and life forms. Call it simply enlightened self-interest for survival.

FOLYKAZE:
People do it on the flying plane. They do it in boat cruise. They do it on towers and skyscrappers. What is bad in doing it on the moon surface? With your wife

FOLYKAZE:
It's Sunday today, would like to be in the church. So I picked the Sunday school book and saw the topic for the day, The Unity at Babel. The teaching was set around the account in Genesis 11 which tells about the origin of human language, astronomy, and architect. According to the Genesis 11, there were some human populace, who spoke one language, came to agreement within themselves and agreed to build a city with a tower that it top is in heaven. The project commenced immediately and progressively. However, this progress caught the attention of God. He quickly summoned his councils in heaven to a meeting and decreed that the project must be stopped by confounding human's language. In the account, one could find that the purpose of the project is exhibition of architecture designs, understanding and dominating sky, and showcasing that things are achievable through unity. However, God was furious that man wae uniting and reaching for the sky.

Legend has it that If there was a tower of Babel, it was Etemenanki: a massive, stone ziggurat at the center of Babylon, presently at the southern Baghdad, Iraq. Record has it that ziggurat is 91m high. This goes to show that God became angry because Human built a structure recording 91m im height. Today, the tallest building is Al Burj Khalifa in UAE, measuring 830m in height. This mean human have successfully built a structure that is higher than what angered God back then. This they did with unity of different engineers, labor, and finances from all across the world, cutting barriers of languages, and exhibiting brilliance and might of humankind.

Beyond the tip of Burj Khalifa, Man have dominated the sky by building Aeroplanes and jets which can fly way above 20,000m. The highest commercial airliner altitude was 18288m by Concorde. The highest military air-breathing engine airplane was the SR-71 — about 27432m. Humans have built International Space Station, a kind of home or lab in the low earth orbit. The ISS was successfully built by collaboration of multiple nations. Man has also travelled and walked in space, set boot and projecting to build base on the moon, and are annexing all resources to set boot on Mars before 2035. The farthest human material in space is the Voyager1 which has almost gone past our solar system. It has reached interstellar space and currently 11.7 billion miles away from earth. Humans have robotic probes, satellites, telescopes in our solar system, and beam lights into deepest parts of the universe. Soonest, human will build a colony on other planets, planetary bodies, and even mine asteroids. Imagine having sex on the moon? This is total dominance and colonisation of the sky and space. Not forgetting, this height was made successful by the collective efforts of man from different tongue, color, belief system and backgrounds.

Space exploration goes beyond understanding nature of the universe. It has provided us deep understanding of origin of universe, planets and the solar system. It has revealed human are stardust. It has helped us relate with the outside world and ourselves. Before now, we had preachers and Evangelists. Today, we have Televangelists who have adopted the technology of satellite communication and television. Evangelism has gone from door to door to worldwide reaches through satellite communications with radio, television, internet and telephone services. Omniscient God couldn't foresight the benefit of space exploration of Babel tower, he disrupted the project which later helped his ministry.

Advancement and unity in tech development have broken the barriers of tongue. Bible is now printed in more than 2500 languages. A simple lingua apps can break the barrier God created and expand on evangelism.

God was angry with human because they built a structure which reached the height of 91m. What would he supposedly do now that we have human built machine that is 11.7 billion miles deep into space?

God was angry human united to build the tower of Babel. Five nations came together to build and launch ISS into Earth low orbit, is God really against human unity and togetherness?

He confounded human language but man is breaking that barrier today with multi-lingua systems, helping expansion of evangelism. Does God not have foresight before creating this problem in the first place?

Muttley\Laff Buda\atum, Emu\san, Jano\sky, Maximus\69 and all God soldiers on the forum

School dismissed, hurray!

Sunday school heya finish. Music section too don close. Abeg na house sure pass.

Ofemmanu1:
Read and be healed.

GOD became upset because of the following reasons:

Eastward

The Book of Genesis emphasizes that as man moves eastward he moves away from God. We see this in the Garden of Eden, the Flood of Noah, and now in the Tower of Babel. It will also be seen later in Genesis when Lot separated from Abraham and went to Sodom. When humankind leaves the area of God's blessing, he goes to places that cause him problems.

Not Obeyed Command

The descendants of Noah had not obeyed the commandment of God to fill the earth. Rather than spreading out as God had ordered, they settled in the land of Shinar-a fertile land watered by the Tigris and Euphrates river. Once the people reached this plain in Babylon, they started a massive building project. The city was built in defiance of God's commandment. The building of a city would establish a unified front against God by preventing a scattering. These descendants of Noah had been disobedient to the call of God.

Make A Name

These particular descendants of Shem wanted to make a name for themselves instead of glorifying God. There is a play on words in the Hebrew with respect to the word name in this section of Scripture. The builders, the descendants of Shem, (Hebrew sham) wanted to make a name (Hebrew sham) for themselves. Instead of making a name, they will end up scattered and the name of their city (verse 9) will be Babel (confusion). The fact that they wanted to make a name for themselves will be contrasted to the account of Abraham in the next chapter-where God Himself makes a name for Abraham.

Why Build A Tower?

Once settled, they built the Tower of Babel as a monument to their own greatness-to make a name for themselves. Though Scripture does not give us the exact reason as to why they built this tower, there are several possible reasons.

1.Protection From Another Flood

A traditional view states that the tower was built by the people to protect themselves from another Flood. The phrase whose top may reach unto heaven is a figurative expression of great height. The tower was built high enough for the people to gain revenge against God-should He attempt to drown the inhabitants of earth again. The problem with this view is that God clearly promised not to send another Flood (Genesis 8:21-22; 9:11). Furthermore, why build a tower on a plain if the purpose was to be too high for floodwaters?

2.Tower To Reach God

Some critics of this account believe that the people were building a tower in an attempt to reach God. This is because the ancients had a belief that heaven was directly above the earth, and if they built a tower high enough, they could reach the presence of God. If they constructed this gigantic tower they could have thought that its tops would have pierced the vault above them. From this vantage point they could establish their own importance in the sight of humankind and God. There is nothing in the text to support the view that the people thought they could reach God's presence by building a tower.

3.Ziggurat

A popular view is that the people were building a Ziggurat- a tower built for the purpose of worship of the heavens. This meant the people were practicing the art of astrology rather than worshipping God. Yet the Hebrew word translated tower is migdol which simply means tower. In addition, the passage does not teach that the tower was for the purpose of worship.

4.Prevent A Scattering

We know the builders wanted to make a name for themselves rather than obeying God's commandment to be fruitful and multiply. Hence, they attempted to build a monument to their greatness. The monument was to set themselves up as a power-center to their own fame, glory and ambition. They wanted one united government that would rule over all, in defiance to the commandment of God.

The Scripture itself tends to support this as the proper way of understanding why they built the tower. It was that the people wanted to make a name for themselves rather than glorifying God.

And they said, Come, let us build a city, and tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth (Genesis 11:4).

Summary

The Tower of Babel was built by the descendants of Noah to prevent the people from scattering. This was done in defiance of God's commandment. The Tower symbolized their own efforts to settle a land rather than to fill the earth as was God's command.

Ofemmanu1:
In the Old Testament Babylon was a city; in the New Testament Babylon is a spirit.

In the Old Testament the city of Babylon gave birth to an empire that ruled the known world and imposed a worldview upon all of the peoples that she conquered. She could be brutal; she could be proud and she thought she would reign forever.

The story of Babylon is woven throughout the entirety of the Old Testament narrative. She is introduced to us in Genesis as “Babel”, the city were human beings decided to make a name for themselves in defiance of the word of God. Later she becomes the empire that destroys Jerusalem, burns the temple and takes the people of God into exile. She is the beast that almost swallowed the bride; but in the end, she is judged, despoiled and thrown down.

Her destruction is announced in Isaiah 47. In response to her wickedness, arrogance, self-indulgence and brutality towards the people of God the Lord pronounces a message of sudden doom:

But evil shall come upon you, which you will not know how to charm away; disaster shall fall upon you, for which you will not be able to atone; and ruin shall come upon you suddenly, of which you know nothing. (Isaiah 47:11 ESV)

And so it was.

History tells us that the Babylonian Empire fell very suddenly and very unpleasantly to the Persians under Cyrus The Great in 539 BC. Later when Darius was King the Babylonians revolted unsuccessfully and as a consequence they experienced many of the same brutalities they had previously inflicted upon the Jews. The Babylonians themselves strangled many of their wives and children to keep them from starving to death during the siege or being taken as slaves by the Persians. After the city was defeated Herodotus says that the city gates were pulled down and 3000 of the leading citizens were impaled upon the walls. The once great city – the Queen of the world! – was defeated, devastated and despoiled.

Just like God said.

Fast forward 630 years.

The city of Babylon is now little more than a village surrounded by a sea of sand. It is nothing and nowhere but it begins to reappear in the New Testament as a symbol of the world at war with God. The Apostle Peter even uses it as a sort of secret code. He ends his epistle to the churches of Pontus and Bithynia by saying:

She who is at Babylon, who is likewise chosen, sends you greetings, and so does Mark, my son.14 Greet one another with the kiss of love. Peace to all of you who are in Christ. (1 Peter 5:13–14 ESV)

She who is at Babylon.

Peter was nowhere near Babylon when he wrote that letter.

Peter was in Rome.

Peter used the word “Babylon” as a symbolic way of referring to the new world culture at war with the people of God. Peter was saying: Rome is the new Babylon. Rome is the new mistress who would seduce people away from their worship of God.

The city had become a spirit.

Fast forward to Revelation 17.

In Revelation 17 the reference to Babylon is obviously symbolic. John is carried away in the Spirit into the wilderness where he saw:

“a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her sexual immorality. 5 And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth’s abominations.” 6 And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.” (Revelation 17:3–6 ESV)

If you have been listening to the Into The Word podcast then you have heard me say now several times:

“The Book of Revelation is like an art gallery filled with pictures painted in colours borrowed from Old Testament canvases.”

So it is here!

By reading the Old Testament background we are well positioned to interpret this imagery. The LovePeddler of Babylon is the spirit of seductive culture, actively engaged in the deception and destruction of God’s people. That she rides upon the beast means that she is propped up by the forces of anti-Christian government.

Just like the beast, who was, and is not and is about to rise, the “LovePeddler” keeps on rising from the dead! A particular brand of her seductive charm may fall into the dust and be buried by the sands of time, but just wait! Before you know it, she will rise again in another place, known by another name but waging the same destructive war against God’s people. Once she was named “Babylon”, then she was named “Rome”, but in the future she will be called something else. Like a grotesque parody of the God-head, she was and is and is to come; but she is destined for destruction!

As it was in the past, so shall it be in the future.

While scholars may debate the precise interpretation of a few aspects of this vision, the main points of application seem abundantly clear:

1. Culture is not neutral.
2. The devil attacks God’s people via the front door through governmental persecution.
3. The devil attacks God’s people via the backdoor through seductive, idolatrous culture.
4. No enemy of God’s people will finally stand. The Lord has a day and that day is coming.

Thanks be to God!

Ofemmanu1:
Somethings are better left undone.
Get that shit outta your mind pls.
Tame your mind, don't let it wander like a wild animal.

FOLYKAZE:
My dear. Babylon is a geographical location in Iraq today. All those tory don dey too much for a simple question asked.

Empire rises and fall. Oyo empire, Shongai empire rose and fell. Nothing is bad with that. And there is no spiritual undertone in this.

Gen 11:6 exposed that God hates human unity and innovative minds. Simple as that

MuttleyLaff:
"⁹He became a fearlessf hunter in defiance ofg the LORD.
That is why it is said, “Like Nimrod, a fearless hunter in defiance of and/or before the LORD.”
¹⁰His kingdom began in the regioni of Shinar with the cities ofk Babylon, Erech, Akkad, and Calneh."
- Genesis 10:9-10

Of course, we were given a preview of Nimrod's character, make up, earlier life and antecedents at Genesis 10:9-10 before that, the infamous event, that happened at Genesis 11:2-4. Nimrod, was a badass person so Genesis 10:9 tells us, so due to the sort of person he was, he was the person who led the "they" to go plan, to gather together and make a name for themselves etcetera

Canaan was Nimrod's uncle. True, Cush was Nimrod's father ‎and it was Canaan who was cursed to be a servants of servants to his brothers etcetera. It is probably partly trying to shake off the curse of association, with Canaan, his uncle and Ham his grandfather, that was what propelled Nimrod to be more rebellious, audacious and ambitious.

So, yup, Nimrod and Co, the descendants of Ham, that's Ham, who was neither blessed nor cursed by Noah, were envious of Shem, whose name has two meanings. The first meaning is, "renown", "be known", "make a name for self" "have a prominent name for self" et cetera. The second/alternate/parallel meaning of Shem, is, dusky red, dusky complexion, complexion with some degree of dark coloration or olive coloured et cetera.

It is the first meaning, that's of particular interest here. The descendants of Ham, we're envious of Shem and his descendants' legacy. They, talking of Ham's descendants because of something in their gene, that still filtered through even after the flood destroying all bad people, coveted Shem and his descendants' heritage and so too, wanted to make a name for themselves, wanted to have name for themselves too, wanted to be renowned, be known all over the world, just the way Noah pronounced that blessing on Shem and his descendants. The descendants of Ham wanted all this, not because of God, not for the glory of God even not to glorify God by it, but was for the self centred reason of be known all over the place for themselves too. They wanted to make and have a name too for themselves.

Lastly and very significantly to note, is that, also, the erection of the tower, was going to typically reminiscence ‎Genesis 4:26b. It was literally them going to use the Tower to profane God's name. The final and successful erection of the high riding pointing in the sky tower, was going to be a symbol of sticking the middle finger up at God with it, as if saying go "f" yourself. God wasn't having any of that effrontery. He's had enough of Nimrod and the descendants of Ham's insolence and bad behaviour, that He came down to throw a spanner in their thoughts and so their plan effectively was disrupted.

Man looks at outward appearance, but God looks at the heart. God could see and smell them from 10 miles away, so before they got started, God came down to throw a spanner into their works.‎ Their plan was to make that the first tower and then replicate it to other places. That wasn't going to happen.

Yes, Nimrod and his company, attempted building the tower to get a name for themselves, have their own god(s) and be their own god, having no need for God and no need to call on His name.

MuttleyLaff:
Ọrẹ, its actually you thats over stretching and making unnecessary extrapolation demands out of the event circa Genesis 11:2-9. Ofemmanu1, was very much on point, on almost all accounts than you were.

There defo were spiritual undertones and overtones going on. God is an Innovator. The Godhead practices unity, so why would you say that God hates righteous unity and/or innovative minds, hmm?. What God hates are: treachery, infidelity, disloyalty, unfaithfulness, insubordination, idolatry, defiance, injustice, cruelty, absence of love, wickedness, covetousness et cetera. Simple as that

Without demur, I concur with Ofemmanu1, read and be healed

FOLYKAZE:
Power of human mind. Zoom, Internet, computer and phone, tv, all thanks to space exploration and technological advancement.
God ministry rides on the back of innovation amd unity even when God hates it.

FOLYKAZE:
Genesis 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

These people are one (united). They speak one language (another unity). And through unity, they attained the height of 91m. With this unity, they can achieve anything they set their mind on. Hence, God disunite them by confounding their language.

Maximus69:
OK FOLY i'm back, let's chat like friends.
Please i don't like derogatory comments and insults, it's better if we respect each other's opinion. There are many following, they will learn one or two things from our mature discussions but if it should be insults nobody can learn anything worthwhile.
So what exactly was your question about the tower of Babel?
Please pardon my query because i find it difficult going through lengthy posts, just simple and straightforward question is enough and easy for me to address!

FOLYKAZE:
When I don listen to IMAGINE by John Lennon finish.

Owl city have wild imaginations too.

Sex on the moon with one partner isn't bad.

I wish my corpse can be fired into space in the future. Imagine that badass mummification

Maximus69:
OK FOLY i'm back, let's chat like friends.
Please i don't like derogatory comments and insults, it's better if we respect each other's opinion. There are many following, they will learn one or two things from our mature discussions but if it should be insults nobody can learn anything worthwhile.
So what exactly was your question about the tower of Babel?
Please pardon my query because i find it difficult going through lengthy posts, just simple and straightforward question is enough and easy for me to address!