dangermouse:
Obedient is better than sacrifice. Tell them as God revealed it to u, dont hide, add. Or mince words.

Obedience of whom though? God never commanded the use of His gift for providing of private/individual readings. He condemns it.

Ask God for forgiveness. Learn your lesson and move on. You are just growing in the ministry. It's part of the process.
I would love to talk to you privately.
Possible? let me know.

Kobojunkie:
Obedience of whom though? God never commanded the use of His gift for providing of private/individual readings. He condemns it.

obviously ur not a christian. So i wount answer u.

Beosten:
Let me start from here: I have what it takes to be a pastor and I had numerous visions that confirmed my calling. But I have a disability, and I refused to go into pastoral ministry since 2005. I came into the full-time ministry a few months ago. I came into the ministry because it seemed God was the one punishing me for refusing to do the needful.

Then a church member came to me for blessing saying that her child already procured visa to travel out. That was before covid19 break. I prayed for the child. But God revealed to me in a vision at night that the child should not leave Nigeria, and that it will end in tears. I didn't tell them anything about the vision and the child left Nigeria.

The child has just been deported and a lot of money down the drain.

How should a pastor handle this kind of thing without offending those looking for counseling? I will pray for forgiveness, but can God hold me accountable for this error?

The Holy Spirit is in the best position to answer your question.

Please, approach him.

dangermouse:
obviously ur not a christian. So i wount answer u.

Oh, how so very "Christian" of you.

Kobojunkie:
Oh, how so very "Christian" of you.

Thank u and God bless u much for ur understanding.

Beosten:
Let me start from here: I have what it takes to be a pastor and I had numerous visions that confirmed my calling. But I have a disability, and I refused to go into pastoral ministry since 2005. I came into the full-time ministry a few months ago. I came into the ministry because it seemed God was the one punishing me for refusing to do the needful.

Then a church member came to me for blessing saying that her child already procured visa to travel out. That was before covid19 break. I prayed for the child. But God revealed to me in a vision at night that the child should not leave Nigeria, and that it will end in tears. I didn't tell them anything about the vision and the child left Nigeria.

The child has just been deported and a lot of money down the drain.

How should a pastor handle this kind of thing without offending those looking for counseling? I will pray for forgiveness, but can God hold me accountable for this error?

Wisdom is important. When you have a heavy message from the Lord you can give the person numerous prayer points eg pray you won't be deported when you travel etc such that when the person sees the numerous prayer points he/she will understand the message of God. You can't say everything to everyone. As you grow in God He will keep giving you wisdom for His work. Amen

All I see here is pride.


Your job is to share what God told you. As long as you do that calmly and with tact, you are not responsible for how the people feel.

But because there is so much of "self" in what you are doing you're so concerned about what the people will say considering the revelation isn't comfortable to act on.

When Elijah said it wouldn't rain for 3and a half years, was it comfortable?

You are not yet fit for The Master's Use.

Beosten:



I was very sure. My visions had always been 99% correct all the time. I was barely about 3 months in the ministry and you expect me to tell someone that her child should not leave Nigeria after procuring visa?

As many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. If you were sure that's what God wanted for the guy, why did you hesitate? If death were to be the repercussion and not deportation, was that how you would have allowed the guy die cos you never wanted the procured visa wasted?

You will be entrusted with more when you are faithful with the little given you. Don't allow the fear of man move you, but always ensure you obey when the Spirit prompts.

Beosten:



I was very sure. My visions had always been 99% correct all the time. I was barely about 3 months in the ministry and you expect me to tell someone that her child should not leave Nigeria after procuring visa?

Beosten:
Let me start from here: I have what it takes to be a pastor and I had numerous visions that confirmed my calling. But I have a disability, and I refused to go into pastoral ministry since 2005. I came into the full-time ministry a few months ago. I came into the ministry because it seemed God was the one punishing me for refusing to do the needful.

Then a church member came to me for blessing saying that her child already procured visa to travel out. That was before covid19 break. I prayed for the child. But God revealed to me in a vision at night that the child should not leave Nigeria, and that it will end in tears. I didn't tell them anything about the vision and the child left Nigeria.

The child has just been deported and a lot of money down the drain.

How should a pastor handle this kind of thing without offending those looking for counseling? I will pray for forgiveness, but can God hold me accountable for this error?

before you ask God for forgiveness, you should read Ezekiel 3:18. Please, for your sake, do not ignore God's messages to people, especially, when it has to do with a habit, or decision, that may bring about their destruction. Its important you yield yourself totally to the Holy Spirit in all things, because people's lives are in your hands.

Beosten:
Let me start from here: I have what it takes to be a pastor and I had numerous visions that confirmed my calling. But I have a disability, and I refused to go into pastoral ministry since 2005. I came into the full-time ministry a few months ago. I came into the ministry because it seemed God was the one punishing me for refusing to do the needful.

Then a church member came to me for blessing saying that her child already procured visa to travel out. That was before covid19 break. I prayed for the child. But God revealed to me in a vision at night that the child should not leave Nigeria, and that it will end in tears. I didn't tell them anything about the vision and the child left Nigeria.

The child has just been deported and a lot of money down the drain.

How should a pastor handle this kind of thing without offending those looking for counseling? I will pray for forgiveness, but can God hold me accountable for this error?

Most poor or bitter men of God are always the bearers of evil tidings. I am sure that this wannabe Pastor or Man of God is not wealthy.

You see, in this life - whether you like it or not, you must experience both sides of life; the good and the bad. That's just life. It has nothing to do with God. Even TB Joshua that is renowned for predicting calamities ahead of time, had a part of his Church building collapsed and lives were lost in the collapsed structure of the church.

Why didn't he see such a calamity ahead of time so that it could be averted?

Mind ya business

Tomiwa69:
If God was all knowing
He would av known u won't tell and give the message to Another Person

Hahaha

No one told you anything. I don't want to engage you any further. I keep saying this: anyone using the name of God to deceive people claiming he has a calling, is worse than someone who doesn't know God. You had better stop this. God calls himself, "Jehovah of Armies" (Lord of Hosts), meaning you can't stand on your own to worship him.
All these god of men you are seeing are the real antichrist mentioned of in the Bible.
I'd rather sin than to use the name of God to deceive people or to profit. I rest my case.

Simple. Ask God if He wants you to tell him or not. God cannot tell you something and expect us to change His decision.

Kobojunkie:
Ezekiel 33 does not apply to you or anyone who is not a descendant of Jacob. Ezekiel's message was rightly to the nation of Israel, not to individuals. Only false prophets in the old covenant gave private oracles, fortune telling, dream interpretation and the lot. The punishment for such persons was death as decreed by God. Deuteronomy 13.

Those who are followers of Jesus Christ listen to the lead of the Spirit of God and the teachings of Jesus Christ.

If you read Acts 23, compare the actions of the prophets there to what God said in Deuteronomy 13 vs 1-6, to see what could have been if those prophets had been under the old covenant.

Not Everyone can discern or get revelation all the time
Maybe you should try to understand why there exist Spiritual Gift according I Cor 12.

Beosten:
Let me start from here: I have what it takes to be a pastor and I had numerous visions that confirmed my calling. But I have a disability, and I refused to go into pastoral ministry since 2005. I came into the full-time ministry a few months ago. I came into the ministry because it seemed God was the one punishing me for refusing to do the needful.

Then a church member came to me for blessing saying that her child already procured visa to travel out. That was before covid19 break. I prayed for the child. But God revealed to me in a vision at night that the child should not leave Nigeria, and that it will end in tears. I didn't tell them anything about the vision and the child left Nigeria.

The child has just been deported and a lot of money down the drain.

How should a pastor handle this kind of thing without offending those looking for counseling? I will pray for forgiveness, but can God hold me accountable for this error?

You do know well that its very wrong from a biblical pov that refraining from saying what God told you to say is?

You're looking onto respect of persons. In Ezekiel and also in Deut, its clearly stated there the consequences for refraining. While that was OT, it should help thtow light to the fact that not telling has greater repercussions than telling.


Agabus close eye and still said Paul will be arrested.

In modern times, thats like a prophet telling Pas Adeboye to not travel to UK ot he'd get arrested. But Agabus delivered.



You didn't sin against man, but against God. Ask for forgiveness. It doesnt need to be about death before you consider it above all permutations to be very important. Learn from when prophet Jeremiah tried to store prophesying.... It felt like hot coals in his bowels.


Anyways.... Its not the end... But deliver as received. And pray if circumstances won't allow.

FreelanceRebel:


Not Everyone can discern or get revelation all the time
Maybe you should try to understand why there exist Spiritual Gift according I Cor 12.

Discern or get revelation? Of what? What do you think the Spirit of God who lives inside of those who are followers of Jesus Christ is there for? He is there to answer our every questions, guide, help, counsel, comfort. He is God Himself living inside of you.

Beosten:


Nobody died in this case.

Is like u don't understand what u read.... #case close

Owaincouncil:


Just to add this, had it been he tell them and they fail accept and it went the way it is now, they will say, ooo and he warned us and that will make people to fear and obey about prophecy more.

You are right, but it depends on the person to avoid blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. There are difficult people you tell, and will use it against you. They will speak rashly against you and the Spirit of God. You might be provoked to sin.

Its better to tell God to bounce the visa if it is not His will.

all this yahoo pastor..Las Las na scam

No mind anybody ware tell you say u for tell that person. It is not everything you see you tell people, and their are some you tell people because there is a need for he/she to know for instance.
1. You can't tell someone that is desperate and already have visa not to travel, consider the amount he spent to acquire visa, telling him is a waste of time because he never told you before he he start processing that visa, and he will never believe you So telling him will will be a bad idea because he will think you are Satan and you don't want him to progress after the struggle.
2. As a man of God there are some message you don't tell people because you don't know how he will handle it.
Just imagine you tell someone that his mother is responsible for his wife barrenness, a very desperate and angry man will just go straight to his mother house and kill her and at the end of the day he will be arrested by the police and you the pastor will also be arrested for telling him a vision you saw without physical proof, and in court spirituality in not in the constitution.

As a pastor be wise and always use wisdom and let God guide you.

If you feel you have offended God ask for forgiveness rather than asking people on nairaland where 80% of their comment is based in negativity.

If you see a vision and you know that such person can handle such issue, then there is a need for you to tell him, but if it the one the will not take likely take things easy give him a tips of what you saw.
Note: you can't tell someone that his landlord is the one that is not making him to progress, instead you can simply tell such person that where he/she live is the problem without mentioning the landlord and the possible solution. After the issue has been solve he will know by himself that the landlord is the problem because there will be a full prove, then you can now tell him that the landlord have been always being the problem.
But telling someone that the landlord is the cause of his problem directly, can cause you a whole damage. Because if he confront the landlord directly and tell him exactly what you have said you might be in trouble, example how do you explain in the court that the landlord is really the problem without proof, so you see it is not all you see you tell people the way you see it.

Lastly God show you this vision because you were concern about the issue and God never instructed you to tell him or not so bro you have done nothing wrong. God understand that you are a beginner

May God help.

Please tell people what you see in visions,dreams and what ever medium God uses to reveal things to you,to avoid incurring punishment on yourself based on offending them if what you tell them doesn't go down well with them.

Beosten:



I was very sure. My visions had always been 99% correct all the time. I was barely about 3 months in the ministry and you expect me to tell someone that her child should not leave Nigeria after procuring visa?

Any vision for man utd match today?

Danwakae:



God no tell am anything... Yeye people

How did you know he did not receive a message from God ? Some People Sha

Beosten:
Let me start from here: I have what it takes to be a pastor and I had numerous visions that confirmed my calling. But I have a disability, and I refused to go into pastoral ministry since 2005. I came into the full-time ministry a few months ago. I came into the ministry because it seemed God was the one punishing me for refusing to do the needful.

Then a church member came to me for blessing saying that her child already procured visa to travel out. That was before covid19 break. I prayed for the child. But God revealed to me in a vision at night that the child should not leave Nigeria, and that it will end in tears. I didn't tell them anything about the vision and the child left Nigeria.

The child has just been deported and a lot of money down the drain.

How should a pastor handle this kind of thing without offending those looking for counseling? I will pray for forgiveness, but can God hold me accountable for this error?

You cannot be a pastor if you are worried about offending people. God's ways and plans are higher than ours. What God showed you was to help the family. But you kept quiet and you are complicit in their tears. Of course you will be held accountable.

I'll share another prophet's experience.

Some people came for counseling and they told the man of God the issues they were going through.

The man of God told them to bring their mother. He saw something and he didn't speak because of the gravity of the situation and instead gave prayer instructions.

When the mother appeared before the man of God, she said, "Baba Oyo, we have tried and tried but didn't catch you."

So, cases differ, but in a case of life and death, it's better to tell them.

My younger brother appeared before a prophet and he told him, "who wants to take you abroad? it's not yet time."

Within 6 months, our elder brother in the UK was getting married and he invited my younger brother, long story cut short, the young man tried but he couldn't travel for the holiday.

The reason I brought this up is because of those thinking prophecies are not necessary.

Direction is very important in life. Getting spiritual direction through visions is like receiving favour from God, because you then understand what to pray about and that helps one pray aright, and to receive answers to prayers.

It is bad though, when there is a quest for visions. Going about seeking visions and revelations when one is not living righteously.

This should be discouraged. Eventually, when people grow spiritually mature, they get to receive visions and revelations directly from God.

At times, one is under bombardment by evil forces that you can't see what's coming and you need intercession.

At that point, God will send dreams to warn others to pray for you.

cricifixo:
Remove the word "can" from your question & replace it with the word "will" because from my understanding of the bible, God can do just anything

I'm sorry for that error. But front page topics can't be edited.

Beosten:
Let me start from here: I have what it takes to be a pastor and I had numerous visions that confirmed my calling. But I have a disability, and I refused to go into pastoral ministry since 2005. I came into the full-time ministry a few months ago. I came into the ministry because it seemed God was the one punishing me for refusing to do the needful.

Then a church member came to me for blessing saying that her child already procured visa to travel out. That was before covid19 break. I prayed for the child. But God revealed to me in a vision at night that the child should not leave Nigeria, and that it will end in tears. I didn't tell them anything about the vision and the child left Nigeria.

The child has just been deported and a lot of money down the drain.

How should a pastor handle this kind of thing without offending those looking for counseling? I will pray for forgiveness, but can God hold me accountable for this error?

I think you should have prayed against it coming to pass... It was guidance for you

Kobojunkie:
Remember the church of God does not refer fo individuals who claim to be saved. The Church refers to all followers of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ did not tell us about the gift but He did provide examples of it's use. From God's specifications for His Prophets in His Old Covenant, it is safe to assume that in the New Covenant, it is also not for personal gratification, nor is it for the providing of individual oracles, nor fortune-telling(what many people now erroneously call prophecy).

In all the examples from Jesus Christ of the use of the gift, even in His use of it on telling the Samarian woman about her life, it was to the glory of His Church. In that particular case, by telling the Samarithan woman about her past, Jesus Christ message not only reached the woman but many in her town through her testimony of What He had told her of herself(note no fortune telling took place there).

You can't rule out the fact that prophecy is not just for the edification of an individual but for the body of Chrit even though some people today abuse it.

mabea:
You can't rule out the fact that prophecy is not just for the edification of an individual but for the body of Chrit even though some people today abuse it.

Jesus Christ's example provide the backing to rule it out. Everytime He used it was for the glory of His Church and not for edification of individuals.

VULCAN:
All I see here is pride.


Your job is to share what God told you. As long as you do that calmly and with tact, you are not responsible for how the people feel.
J
But because there is so much of "self" in what you are doing you're so concerned about what the people will say considering the revelation isn't comfortable to act on.

When Elijah said it wouldn't rain for 3and a half years, was it comfortable?

You are not yet fit for The Master's Use.

How is this pride? I'm not capable of summoning entities for mysteries or receptive enough to hear audible voice of the Almighty. I only see visions and I am not even an expert in visions interpretation.

About not being fit, I don't even think I can ever be fit for that purpose.