Blabbermouth:

Why is everyone not sticking to rules?
Sir, not the NT but the Old testament only!

You can never find such in the old Testament!

Michael (Jesus) remain just an angel until he took up the assignment to lay down his life to redeem humans. God gave him power to act as God when he walked the earth but he got all the authority after his death and resurrection that's when he got the highest position above all other angels.
As the first creature he enjoyed a special privilege in heaven but the authority to rule above all the angels in heaven and on earth was given to him after his earthly assignment!
Note that the powers he possessed wasn't his own that's why the woman with the flow of blood could get heal even without Jesus himself knowing exactly why power went out of his body!
God's will is for everyone to believe in Jesus, for this lady to have believed Jesus God used Jesus' body to cure her (unknowingly to Jesus himself).

This power was what God took away from Jesus few minutes to his death that made him shout "my God, my God why have you forsaken me?" as a perfect creature he knew when the power bestowed on him goes out but why Jesus himself doesn't know unless if he's told!

So you can continue arguing with your friends, if you're disputing that Jesus is angel Michael you will end up quarrelling with all these religionsists with nothing fruitful to gain!

Maximus69:

You can never find such in the old Testament!

Then, most people are using NT to support fallacies.
Someone will tell you 1John5:7 has some part cunningly blotted out (like Emusan) and many JW will also drop source trying to claim that it was cunningly added.
C'mon here, this Jesus we are talking about is the epicentre of many prophecies in OT. Moses, Isaiah,Joel,Zechariah, Daniel, David and many had a revelation concerning the person of Jesus.
If JW are right, Go right there and let's see if you are consistent with God's word.
If Trinitarians are right, Go there and let's see if they are consistent with God's word.
See everybody forcing meanings inside Genesis1. Is Genesis1 the only book in OT?

Blabbermouth:

Why is everyone not sticking to rules?
Sir, not the NT but the Old testament only!

You were given Daniel. And i challenged you with this:

Blabbermouth:

Daniel saw Christ as a man or human that became Divine by God's own unction. That's what I'm trying to show you.
Like I said, we want "From Divinity to humanity"... You know that song that says " you came from heaven to earth, to show the way........"
Exactly! That's what I want you to prove with the old testament.

At the bolded....
You ask for exactness.

Show us in that Daniel passage where it points to a man becoming divine by God's action.

Dtruthspeaker:

Your Word is Power! Remember, power in the tongue.

what I actually mean is - "Is my word a different person from me?"
Are we 2 persons? Me and Word.

Emusan:


So, how will you understand the question you yourself asked? If you don't know what makes God to be God.

We have the bible na. Just quote scriptures that directly or indirectly(it's allowed as long as we don't move out of context) express what Makes God to be God.
If we come from personal opinion standpoint, we surely cannot avoid certain differences in opinion.
So go ahead sir!

Blabbermouth:

Let's not force meaning and personal conclusions into the scripture. He said "let there be", which scripture shows he was issuing orders to some first-born creature?

You agreed that God said "let there be" shey?

My friend, God has given the understanding of his word to Jehovah's Witnesses, whether you like it or not i'll continue to tell you.

They use the scriptures to interpret scriptures, that's why they were able to win someone as highly inquisitive as i do!

Please if you don't agree with their interpretation that the phrase let's there be" was actually orders given to someone beside him, then how are you going to explain verse 26 of the same chapter where the same voice said "let us make man in our own image"
My friend, God was issuing orders to Michael who was beside him serving as a master craftman {Proverbs 8:30 compare with John 1:1-5}

He became the King the very moment he finished his earthly assignment, that's the import of his last statement "it has been accomplished" {John 19:30 compare to Philippians 2:8; Hebrew 12:2} so before then he was just Michael one of God's heavenly generals no wonder he was referred to as one of the foremost Princes in heaven! Daniel 10:13

God bless you!

advocatejare:

Wow, so you're a Christian.

Your answer: Christ who appeared like the son of Man and was given authority when he was with God in heaven, later came to the world to be born of a Virgin Mary to set into motion, the process of establishing his everlasting kingdom on earth.

Respectfully speaking sir, Visions and prophecies don't work that way.
Daniel saw a figure (representing 4 governments&kingdom) and He saw them being crushed by a stone/mountain cut without hands and the figure was destroyed. Has it happened then? Definitely not!
Alexander of (kingdom 3), Medes and Perses(kingdom 2) and co. Were still fulfilling their part many years after Daniel had died.
That is to say, the giving of the authority part has not yet happened then.... It was just a vision not a current time event.
Therefore, this scripture does not in any way satisfy our quest.

sagenaija:

Show us in that Daniel passage where it points to a man becoming divine by God's action.

My statement was a deduction not a stance/doctrine.
He saw:
"In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed" (Daniel 7:13–14).
Sagenaija, Daniel saw a Man(human) being given glory, authority and sovereign power by God and Everyone worshipped him (Divine).
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See us rushing to NT trying to claim "Son of Man" is title, what's this thread's business with NT?
There were many cases where they used "son of man" in OT and it means "a man" or one who had the appearance of "a man".

Maximus69:
Well it's simple, God began his creative works with just one creature who spoke in the Bible book of Proverbs 8:22-30, there we got to know that when God was saying "let there be" {Genesis 1:3}he was actually issuing orders to this first creature who is carrying out all the works as a master craftman.

I wonder how you'll read Proverbs 8:22-30 and still spew this thrash, it's evident you never take your time to read it on your own because if you do, you would have seen how you're calling God a liar.

Like I do say, if you people know the implication of using Prov 8 to proof another being doing the work of creation on behalf of God, you won't rather try it.

Prov 8 explicitly stated that it was YAHWEH who is actually performing the act not ANOTHER BEING. Just as other OT writers also confirmed it.

26 While as yet he (Yahweh) had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he (Yahweh) prepared the heavens, I was there: when he (Yahweh) set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he (Yahweh) established the clouds above: when he (Yahweh) strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he (Yahweh) gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he (Yahweh) appointed the foundations of the earth:

No wonder Isaiah testifies that Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF;"

But JWs are calling God a liar when it was boldly written in the scripture that it's God who did it by Himself.

Even when God questioning Job about his dark knowledge of creation, the questions were "when I" not when I asked "someone else"

Job 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

Blabbermouth:

Then, most people are using NT to support fallacies.
Someone will tell you 1John5:7 has some part cunningly blotted out (like Emusan) and many JW will also drop source trying to claim that it was cunningly added.
C'mon here, this Jesus we are talking about is the epicentre of many prophecies in OT. Moses, Isaiah,Joel,Zechariah, Daniel, David and many had a revelation concerning the person of Jesus.
If JW are right, Go right there and let's see if you are consistent with God's word.
If Trinitarians are right, Go there and let's see if they are consistent with God's word.
See everybody forcing meanings inside Genesis1. Is Genesis1 the only book in OT?

What i'm here to prove is Jesus is the archangel Michael before his earthly assignment!

In my previous posts i've shown you how this angel has been representing his father as spokesman that's why he is called "the word of God"

But it's like you're finding it difficult to believe that Jesus could be an angel, that's why you're now asking Trinitarians to provide evidence that Jesus has been divine (apart from being a heavenly being like other angels) in the OT.
Trust me they can never find such a thing in the Bible, all what is in the OT are prophecies pointing to what he will become on earth but as regards his prehuman existence in heaven he is Michael the first angel!

Emusan:


I wonder how you'll read Proverbs 8:22-30 and still spew this thrash, it's evident you never take your time to read it on your own because if you do, you would have seen how you're calling God a liar.

Like I do say, if you people know the implication of using Prov 8 to proof another being doing the work of creation on behalf of God, you won't rather try it.

Prov 8 explicitly stated that it was YAHWEH who is actually performing the act not ANOTHER BEING. Just as other OT writers also confirmed it.

26 While as yet he (Yahweh) had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he (Yahweh) prepared the heavens, I was there: when he (Yahweh) set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he (Yahweh) established the clouds above: when he (Yahweh) strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he (Yahweh) gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he (Yahweh) appointed the foundations of the earth:

No wonder Isaiah testifies that Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF;"

But JWs are calling God a liar when it was boldly written in the scripture that it's God who did it by Himself.

Even when God questioning Job about his dark knowledge of creation, the questions were "when I" not when I asked "someone else"

Job 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

Maximus69, what say ye?

Emusan:


I wonder how you'll read Proverbs 8:22-30 and still spew this thrash, it's evident you never take your time to read it on your own because if you do, you would have seen how you're calling God a liar.

Like I do say, if you people know the implication of using Prov 8 to proof another being doing the work of creation on behalf of God, you won't rather try it.

Prov 8 explicitly stated that it was YAHWEH who is actually performing the act not ANOTHER BEING. Just as other OT writers also confirmed it.

26 While as yet he (Yahweh) had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he (Yahweh) prepared the heavens, I was there: when he (Yahweh) set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he (Yahweh) established the clouds above: when he (Yahweh) strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he (Yahweh) gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he (Yahweh) appointed the foundations of the earth:

No wonder Isaiah testifies that Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF;"

But JWs are calling God a liar when it was boldly written in the scripture that it's God who did it by Himself.

Even when God questioning Job about his dark knowledge of creation, the questions were "when I" not when I asked "someone else"

Job 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

Continue deceiving yourself!

I agree that all what Michael was saying was about Jehovah been the one issuing the orders but please Sir, why do you omit verse 30-31 which reads

[30]then i was beside him as a workman,i was the one he is specially fund of, i rejoice before him all the time [31]I rejoice over his habitable earth and what i loved most (out of the works we did together) were humans"

So who was beside who as a craftman? John 1:1-5

Maximus69:


Well it's simple, God began his creative works with just one creature who spoke in the Bible book of Proverbs 8:22-30, there we got to know that when God was saying "let there be" {Genesis 1:3}he was actually issuing orders to this first creature who is carrying out all the works as a master craftman.

Apart from God himself all other heavenly beings were his sons (angels) {Job 38:7} so the first born of all these heavenly creatures said God produced me first {Proverbs 8:22} he is the same person who said "out of all the things God used me to create, i love humans most" {Proverbs 8:31} so when the Bible said God will speak to one of his heavenly creatures "sit at my right hand until i make your enemies a stool for your feet" {Psalms 110:1} we concluded that it couldn't have been any other creature but Michael the one standing for God's people amongst mankind! Daniel 12:1
God's word referred to him as Prince {Isaiah 9:6} and he's the one who will lead God's people during final battle between all the Force of God against Satan and his demons!
Before then this angel has been representing God in leading God's people during turbulent times {Exodus 13:21 compare with Exodus 14:19} so Michael has been representing his God and Father before coming in human form! John 20:17

God bless you!

In both our pure and undiluted state of mind, we both know there is nothing ANGELIC about any of these.

Maximus69:


Continue deceiving yourself!

Emusan ain't deceiving himself here, He brought it out of the horses' mouth.

I agree that all what Michael was saying was about Jehovah been the one issuing the orders but please Sir, why do you omit verse 30-31 which reads

[30]then i was beside him as a workman,i was the one he is specially fund of, i rejoice before him all the time [31]I rejoice over his habitable earth and what i loved most (out of the works we did together) were humans"

God said - "MYSELF".... Does this verse 30-31 negate every of the verses he quoted?

So who was beside who as a craftman? John 1:1-5

Hmmm.... Sir Emusan, What say ye?

Blabbermouth:

My statement was a deduction not a stance/doctrine.
He saw:
"In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed" (Daniel 7:13–14).
Sagenaija, Daniel saw a Man(human) being given glory, authority and sovereign power by God and Everyone worshipped him (Divine).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
See us rushing to NT trying to claim "Son of Man" is title, what's this thread's business with NT?
There were many cases where they used "son of man" in OT and it means "a man" or one who had the appearance of "a man".

one like son of man .... ....
Does the "like" mean anything?
Or did the passage just say 'a man (human) was given ... ...?

Note also that he is WORSHIPED.

Blabbermouth:

In both our pure and undiluted state of mind, we both know there is nothing ANGELIC about any of these.

Jesus (Michael) himself did not leave us in the dark despite knowing that there will be lots of controversies over pure worship in the last days.

He said "by their FRUIT you will recognize them, never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they?, Likewise every good tree produces fine FRUIT and every routine tree produces worthless FRUIT, A good tree cannot produce worthless FRUIT neither can a routine tree produce fine FRUIT" Matthew 7 16-18

So let who ever want to prove he knows the real IDENTIFY of our Master, Lord and King do so by presenting the group performing as the followers of the PRINCE of PEACE! Isaiah 9:6

I present before you "Jehovah's Witnesses Organization" the one and only group where LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign globally amongst all the adherents! John 14:27

James said if you're saying you have faith and someone is presenting his works, please show us what your faith is doing without works but the one having works will show you his faith through his works, James concluded by saying "FAITH without WORKS is dead" James 2:18-26

Blabbermouth:

Emusan ain't deceiving himself here, He brought it out of the horses' mouth.

God said - "MYSELF".... Does this verse 30-31 negate every of the verses he quoted?

Hmmm.... Sir Emusan, What say ye?

Please kindly quote the word "myself" in that Bible book!

Emusan is deceiving himself because the one speaking said from verse 22 "The Lord produce me in the beginning of his works" and throughout that book this person kept referring to someone else NOT himself!

Where Emusan dribbled you is omitting verses 30-31 where the speaker clearly stated that he was beside his Creator working as a craftman or someone rendering service as an hired labourer!

And he concluded by saying out of all what he worked out with his director he loved humans the most!

Maximus69:


Please kindly quote the word "myself" in that Bible book!

Emusan is deceiving himself because the one speaking said from verse 22 "The Lord produce me in the beginning of his works" and throughout that book this person kept referring to someone else NOT himself!

Where Emusan dribbled you is omitting verses 30-31 where the speaker clearly stated that he was beside his Creator working as a craftman or someone rendering service as an hired labourer!

And he concluded by saying out of all what he worked out with his director he loved humans the most!

Mee I'm not with Emusan nor am I with you. More like an observer making commentary and learning also.

sagenaija:
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one like son of man .... ....
Does the "like" mean anything?
Or did the passage just say 'a man (human) was given ... ...?

Note also that he is WORSHIPED.

He looks "like" a son of man. Deductively, i'm saying; He is most likely A MAN!
See this.....
Book of Daniel
He said, "Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods."
The observer said the fourth looked like an "angel"... Maybe I should then ask you, was he(who they saw) an Angel or Not?
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I still see nowhere where you've shown a scripture that shows that Jesus was Divinity become Humanity .

Maximus69:
Continue deceiving yourself!

Says the person some group of men are deceiving everyday.

I agree that all what Michael was saying was about Jehovah been the one issuing the orders but please Sir, why do you omit verse 30-31 which reads

Where was the name MICHAEL appeared in those verses? You can see how his boldly lying against the scripture.

[30]then i was beside him as a workman,i was the one he is specially fund of, i rejoice before him all the time [31]I rejoice over his habitable earth and what i loved most (out of the works we did together) were humans"

Like I do say, proverbs 8 isn't what you can used to support your lying doctrine.

Start from the same verse 22 to know the person who is talking wasn't a CREATURE rather an ETERNAL PART OF YAHWEH HIMSELF.

It read "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his (Yahweh) way, before his works of old."

I know what your mind can phantom about this verse is the part the 8 men have blocked your dull head with which is "The LORD possessed me..." but have you ever consider the other part of the statement?
"...in the BEGINNING of his (Yahweh) way..."

This isn't about creation but the very eternity of Yahweh, as this commentator puts it "Man was not by him when he did it (Job 38:4), nor did any creature advise or assist; only his own eternal wisdom and Word was by him then as one brought up with him," Prov. 8:30

In fact, the speaker shows that it wasn't part of Yahweh's work by saying "before his (Yahweh) works of old" Jesus should have been the very OLDEST WORK OF YAHWEH according to your doctrine yet the speaker says he was "BEFORE his works of old"

The more you're trying to use that Prov 8 the more you keep exposing your ignorance of the scripture.

So who was beside who as a craftman? John 1:1-5

The eternal wisdom of Yahweh and when we also know that Christ is the wisdom of God.

Blabbermouth:

Mee I'm not with Emusan nor am I with you. More like an observer making commentary and learning also.

If you have further questions to ask regarding Michael (Jesus) feel free to do so, i've known Emusan for long on Nairaland, he will just vanish into tin air when he's exhausted.

Jesus said of his true followers "whenever they call you forward to come out for questioning do not bother about how to answer, because what you're going to say will be given you right there" Matthew 10:19-20 compare to Isaiah 54:17

So ask for your own good, forget about Emusan and his cohorts, they only want to argue over what their former religious title chiefs (whom all of them have now turn against) infused in their heads, when it comes to understanding of God's word and the sacred secrets thereof it has been given to a specific group {Matthew 13:11} and whoever wants to understand must humble himself to learn from them! Daniel 12:10

Blabbermouth:

Emusan ain't deceiving himself here, He brought it out of the horses' mouth.

You can see it was boldly written in the scripture that God did the creative works ALONE and by HIMSELF

So by this you should know who is calling God a liar.

God said - "MYSELF".... Does this verse 30-31 negate every of the verses he quoted?

To say another being HELPED God is to call God a liar with those undeniable scriptures.

Besides, even the very Prov 8:22 didn't support someone else was already created before Yahweh's work

Hmmm.... Sir Emusan, What say ye?

John 1:3 is enough to show you that nobody HELPED God in creative works because if not it means Jesus created Himself.

Emusan:

Says the person some group of men are deceiving everyday.
Where was the name MICHAEL appeared in those verses? You can see how his boldly lying against the scripture.
Like I do say, proverbs 8 isn't what you can used to support your lying doctrine.
Start from the same verse 22 to know the person who is talking wasn't a CREATURE rather an ETERNAL PART OF YAHWEH HIMSELF.
It read "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his (Yahweh) way, before his works of old."
I know what your mind can phantom about this verse is the part the 8 men have blocked your dull head with which is "The LORD possessed me..." but have you ever consider the other part of the statement?
"...in the BEGINNING of his (Yahweh) way..."
This isn't about creation but the very eternity of Yahweh, as this commentator puts it "Man was not by him when he did it (Job 38:4), nor did any creature advise or assist; only his own eternal wisdom and Word was by him then as one brought up with him," Prov. 8:30
In fact, the speaker shows that it wasn't part of Yahweh's work by saying "before his (Yahweh) works of old" Jesus should have been the very OLDEST WORK OF YAHWEH according to your doctrine yet the speaker says he was "BEFORE his works of old"
The more you're trying to use that Prov 8 the more you keep exposing your ignorance of the scripture.
The eternal wisdom of Yahweh and when we also know that Christ is the wisdom of God.

You don't need to insult, abuse or castigate here Sir. I'm confirming what the OP knew JWs taught me from the scriptures, so do well to explain your own understanding and try to leave mine for him to discern on his own!

I'm saying Michael is the one talking here as a person who has been with God from the beginning, according to some translators that verse says "the Lord (Jehovah) produced me"
But some rendered the same verse as "the Lord (Jehovah) possessed me"

Where the translators can't manipulate is when this same person said i was beside him!

Definitely there were TWO separate persons not just one and according to the speaker one is greater than the other despite being in heaven!

Emusan:

You can see it was boldly written in the scripture that God did the creative works ALONE and by HIMSELF
So by this you should know who is calling God a liar.
To say another being HELPED God is to call God a liar with those undeniable scriptures.
Besides, even the very Prov 8:22 didn't support someone else was already created before Yahweh's work
John 1:3 is enough to show you that nobody HELPED God in creative works because if not it means Jesus created Himself.

Michael made it clear that there were TWO persons here and one is greater than the other!

So you should just explain what he meant by verse 30 which connotes John 1:1-5 and for Colossians 1:15 to have referred to Jesus (Michael) as the first born of all creations, it's evident that Jesus has a beginning/birth, so who is his Father?

Emusan:


I wonder how you'll read Proverbs 8:22-30 and still spew this thrash, it's evident you never take your time to read it on your own because if you do, you would have seen how you're calling God a liar.

Like I do say, if you people know the implication of using Prov 8 to proof another being doing the work of creation on behalf of God, you won't rather try it.

Prov 8 explicitly stated that it was YAHWEH who is actually performing the act not ANOTHER BEING. Just as other OT writers also confirmed it.

26 While as yet he (Yahweh) had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

27 When he (Yahweh) prepared the heavens, I was there: when he (Yahweh) set a compass upon the face of the depth:

28 When he (Yahweh) established the clouds above: when he (Yahweh) strengthened the fountains of the deep:

29 When he (Yahweh) gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he (Yahweh) appointed the foundations of the earth:

No wonder Isaiah testifies that Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF;"
**1
But JWs are calling God a liar when it was boldly written in the scripture that it's God who did it by Himself.

*"*2
Even when God questioning Job about his dark knowledge of creation, the questions were "when I" not when I asked "someone else"

Job 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

**1
WAYO man, does your Bible begin and end with only Genesis?

**2)
@ Genesis 1:27, Genesis 5:1-2. Isaiah 45:21, Job 4: did Yahweh not ascribe the credit to Himself?
Yahweh says he alone rightly gets all the accolades.

[b]If you dey reason well, ask yourself:
Was John, Paul and the writers (Solomon) of Proverbs present at the Creation?

Not at all...

But Yahweh revealed further info about the Creation to John (@John1:3)
to Solomon (@Proverbs8:22-30)
to Paul (@ Hebrews1:2.
Yahweh created the Universe THROUGH His son.
@ Hebrew 1:2, John 1:3, Prov8:22-30, the credit & accolades still goes to Yahweh.
In other words,I built the House Through my son.
Is that difficult to understand?

@Romans 11:35-36. Ephesians 4:6. 3:14-15, by inspiration, Paul gives all the accolades to Yahweh).

Take note, Paul @ Ephesians 4:6. 3:14-15, Romans 11:35-36 corroborates Genesis 1:27, Genesis 5:1-2.
@Matthew 19:4-6, whom did Jesus give the accolades & credit for Creation?
Yahweh, off course!


The Bible @ John1:3 @Proverbs8:22-30.
@ Hebrews1:2. , is inspired by Yahweh.
Be humble and accept it even though it discredited your Yahoo claim of triune deity

Blabbermouth:

We have the bible na. Just quote scriptures that directly or indirectly(it's allowed as long as we don't move out of context) express what Makes God to be God.
If we come from personal opinion standpoint, we surely cannot avoid certain differences in opinion.
So go ahead sir!

Emusan sir, please go ahead.

Maximus69:
Please kindly quote the word "myself" in that Bible book!

Lying liar! He didn't even know his own demonic translation has the word MYSELF

"This is what Jehovah says, your Repurchaser, Who formed you since you were in the womb: “I am Jehovah, who made everything. I (Yahweh) stretched out the heavens BY MYSELF, And I (Yahweh) spread out the earth. Who was with me?"

Emusan is deceiving himself because the one speaking said from verse 22 "The Lord produce me in the beginning of his works" and throughout that book this person kept referring to someone else NOT himself!

BEFORE HIS WORKS OF OLD....wo the speaker can't be the first created when he's already exists before the first work begins.

Where Emusan dribbled you is omitting verses 30-31 where the speaker clearly stated that he was beside his Creator working as a craftman or someone rendering service as an hired labourer!

You're still drowning in your delusions.

Was God lying in Isaiah that He did it ALONE and BY HIMSELF and also in Job that "when I"?

Why will God say such when in reality someone was there helping Him?

And he concluded by saying out of all what he worked out with his director he loved humans the most!

Isn't your WISDOM the master worker of whatever you do?

Can you do anything without your wisdom?

Emusan:


Says the person some group of men are deceiving everyday.



Where was the name MICHAEL appeared in those verses? You can see how his boldly lying against the scripture.



Like I do say, proverbs 8 isn't what you can used to support your lying doctrine.

Start from the same verse 22 to know the person who is talking wasn't a CREATURE rather an ETERNAL PART OF YAHWEH HIMSELF.

It read "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his (Yahweh) way, before his works of old."

I know what your mind can phantom about this verse is the part the 8 men have blocked your dull head with which is "The LORD possessed me..." but have you ever consider the other part of the statement?
"...in the BEGINNING of his (Yahweh) way..."

This isn't about creation but the very eternity of Yahweh, as this commentator puts it "Man was not by him when he did it (Job 38:4), nor did any creature advise or assist; only his own eternal wisdom and Word was by him then as one brought up with him," Prov. 8:30

In fact, the speaker shows that it wasn't part of Yahweh's work by saying "before his (Yahweh) works of old" Jesus should have been the very OLDEST WORK OF YAHWEH according to your doctrine yet the speaker says he was "BEFORE his works of old"

The more you're trying to use that Prov 8 the more you keep exposing your ignorance of the scripture.



The eternal wisdom of Yahweh and when we also know that Christ is the wisdom of God.

Liar..

WAYO man , Proverbs 8:22 = Genesis14:19,22.
Romans 11:35-36. Ephesians 4:6. 3:14-15.
Produced= Created, Hebrew Qanah...
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Yahweh produced , Created a supernatural being, the Wisdom,=Jesus Christ,1Corinthians1:24.
Yahweh produced, Created me before the Creation of the Universe. Romans 11:35-36.
Thereafter, Yahweh created the Universe THROUGH His son. Hebrews1:2.
Job 38:4-7, all the angels were present when man was created.
In heaven is Jesus the son of God?
Joshua5:13-15, he is the angel of Yahweh.
Go figure... Compare Joshua 5:13-15 & Job38:4-7

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Genesis14 :19,22, Romans11:35-36 , Ephesians 4:6 . 3:14-15 have nailed the coffin on your Trinity FRAUD

Now another dimension, it's ACCOLADE

Janosky:

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WAYO man, does your Bible begin and end with only Genesis?

What does that mean here?

**2)
@ Genesis 1:27, Genesis 5:1-2. Isaiah 45:21, Job 4: did Yahweh not ascribe the credit to Himself?
Yahweh says he alone rightly gets all the accolades.

Shameless liar!

See dubious interpretation....

Yahweh claimed the accolade, is that how someone claims credit? ode!

ALONE and BY MYSELF.... will forever hunt you.

If you dey reason well, ask yourself:
Was John, Paul and the writers (Solomon) of Proverbs present at the Creation?

Which means Jehovah lied through them.

Not at all...

But Yahweh revealed further info about the Creation to John (@John1:3)
to Solomon (@Proverbs8:22-30)
to Paul (@ Hebrews1:2.
Yahweh created the Universe THROUGH His son.
@ Hebrew 1:2, John 1:3, Prov8:22-30, the credit & accolades still goes to Yahweh.

The son is the eternal wisdom and power of Yahweh which Proverbs 8 talks about not a separate created being, that was the reason YAHWEH can boldly say "ALONE and BY MYSELF" because His eternal wisdom is eternally part of Him.

In other words,I built the House Through my son. Is that difficult to understand?

But you can't claim you build the house ALONE and BY YOURSELF

Just as every believers believe that God is the inspiration behind the writing of the scripture but can any believer say "God was the one who personally WROTE DOWN THE SCRIPTURES BY HIMSELF?"

@Romans 11:35-36. Ephesians 4:6. 3:14-15, by inspiration, Paul gives all the accolades to Yahweh).

Dubious JWs turning AFFIRMATIVE STATEMENT into accolade.

Yahweh said he created heavens ALONE and BY MYSELF.

Take note, Paul @ Ephesians 4:6. 3:14-15, Romans 11:35-36 corroborates Genesis 1:27, Genesis 5:1-2.
@Matthew 19:4-6, whom did Jesus give the accolades & credit for Creation?
Yahweh, off course!

Mr accolade....

Hear the word of Yahweh "ALONE and BY MYSELF"

The Bible @ John1:3 @Proverbs8:22-30.
@ Hebrews1:2. , is inspired by Yahweh.

Then why was YAHWEH giving himself ACCOLADE

You said in three different ways
1. Paul gives all the accolades to Yahweh).
2. the credit & accolades still goes to Yahweh.
3. Yahweh says he alone rightly gets all the accolades

Yet it was YAHWEH who inspired ALL THESE ACCOLADE

Mr Accolade Weldon ooo

Be humble and accept it even though it discredited your Yahoo claim of triune deity

Continue to be arrogant and liar

Blabbermouth:
Emusan sir, please go ahead.

Before I quote, tell me your own understanding of who God is!

Yahweh said he created heavens ALONE and BY MYSELF.



Mr accolade....

Hear the word of Yahweh "ALONE and BY MYSELF

If I say 'I BUILT THIS HOUSE BY MYSELF'

Yes, I make use of engineers and workman
But, would that statement be wrong?


Verse 30 and 31 of proverb chapter 8 said Jesus assume the office of a workman
What more of an explanation do you need again?

Emusan:
Now another dimension, it's ACCOLADE



What does that mean here?



Shameless liar!

*1
See dubious interpretation....

Yahweh claimed the accolade, is that how someone claims credit? ode!

ALONE and BY MYSELF.... will forever hunt you.



Which means Jehovah lied through them.


*2)
The son is the eternal wisdom and power of Yahweh which Proverbs 8 talks about not a separate created being, that was the reason YAHWEH can boldly say "ALONE and BY MYSELF" because His eternal wisdom is eternally part of Him.


*3
But you can't claim you build the house ALONE and BY YOURSELF

Just as every believers believe that God is the inspiration behind the writing of the scripture but can any believer say "God was the one who personally WROTE DOWN THE SCRIPTURES BY HIMSELF?"



Dubious JWs turning AFFIRMATIVE STATEMENT into accolade.

Yahweh said he created heavens ALONE and BY MYSELF.



Mr accolade....

Hear the word of Yahweh "ALONE and BY MYSELF"



Then why was YAHWEH giving himself ACCOLADE

You said in three different ways
1. Paul gives all the accolades to Yahweh).
2. the credit & accolades still goes to Yahweh.
3. Yahweh says he alone rightly gets all the accolades

Yet it was YAHWEH who inspired ALL THESE ACCOLADE

Mr Accolade Weldon ooo



Continue to be arrogant and liar

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WAYO man deceiving himself

The Tablet given to the Israelites (every body call am "law of Moses" ), Yahweh ALONE wrote them by Himself. Exodus 31:18 Your claim is pointless.

The Father of Creation does His works Through anyone He desires.. He chose His creature, (revealed to be Jesus Christ @1 Cor1:24. Hebrew 1:2).
If He called the Tablet the law of Jesus una go claim say Yahweh na Jesus ).

Genesis 14:19,22 "Yahweh possessed the heaven and earth.
Proverbs 8:22,23 "Yahweh possessed me, the beginning of His Creation.. before the earth began"
WAYO man is afraid of Hebrew Qanah, the screenshot dey gif am sifia pains

Solid evidence confirm that Hebrew Qanah in Genesis14:19,22 & Proverbs 8:22-30 refers to a creature.
Ephesians 4:6 & Romans 11:35-36,
"Everything came from the Father of Creation.
Emusan can't refute that.

*2
Was the angel of Yahweh in Joshua 5:13-15 also present @ Job 38:4-7?

Solid Yes!
All the angels of Yahweh rejoiced.
When Yahweh laid the foundation of the universe,all his sons were there, except Man..

The meaning of Accolades issa simple stuff nau