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China doesn't even have the military strength that the USSR had back then yet the US reduced her influence. Chinese missiles will barely get to US mainland. The few ones that will go there will be intercepted by NORAD. If the Chinese want to target America, then its probably Guam, Hawaii or American Samoa. Trust me, you don't want to attack the Americans first. If you do, they will drop their internal politics and confront you.

In WWII the US built a ship in less than 2 weeks. This was over 75 years ago. The last time foreign troops fought wars on US mainland was the American war of independence. The US has always fought wars outside her shores and a war with china will be fought in China. America has forecasters and they know they might go down like other empires, but it would be better to pass the baton to a friendly nation and keep the evil one at bay till the friendly nation is strong enough. America sees India as a check and balance to China. But till India is very powerful enough, America will keep china at bay. It's what the British did, keeping Germany and Russia far off till the US was strong enough to take over.


The last time the Chinese army fought a war was the Korean war in the 1950s. War games and exercises are different from real wars. The US is ever ready for combat. They are always engaged in one war or the other. That's the same thing the Russians are doing. When your troops are always engaged, it enables them practicalize all they have learnt. It enables you test your weapons and find it's defaults.

The Chinese are smart
They know they're not equals yet with America. They will bid their time and wait for the right moment.

Please for now they're not equal with America but a war between both will be disastrous. People should not blame the US for sailing in the south china sea. If they don't do it, no other nation will be able to do it. Let them keep the balance of power there for now. The US is the necessary evil that the world needs.

Openbusiness:
that you stopped reading or were laughing doesn't change or re-write history that Hitler lost because of America; and doesn't change current reality. Russia is boxed in by NATO and other US military formations. America has missiles right at Russia's doorstep. KAZAKHSTAN shares a huge border with Russia. America has military bases there. Which Russian military base is in a country that shares border with America? Which Russian or Chinese military base is in Canada or Mexico?

Baba it's not as easy as you paint it.. Yes America will likely be at the offensive.. But the western pacific will have both nations on the offensive.. Again all those base you mention surrounding Russia and China are under the crosshair of their missiles... Espect barrage of missile attacks on those forward base which is more cheaper and effective than you construction a base afresh... It's not easy as you paint it... American can't risk a way with China and China can't risk a war with America... Millions will die on both sides all at the cost of what?

Awoo88:
Western propaganda is Shulan city under lockdown due to corona virus outbreak??

I thought it was Beijing

Michaelcas:
Nah, I think Isreal has that quality not US

Shut up man even Isreal buys American tech.. And us buys Isreal tech also but US is more superior

Simeonjoe1:
Baba too much sense for you... People think say war na 1+1..look at Korean War, look at Vietnam War even Iraq and Afghanistan war...America cherish their troops lives and can't afford casualties and that's the opposite of China (they don't care how many they lost just to win)
US can't afford a war with China, if long and delayed it'll cost millions of Americans life.. Is the price worth to pay just to flex your muscle?

Many are not aware of these. War is maths to them. Even this Nigeria they undermine would give US a tough time in war because war is based on strategies and not weapons. Nigerian lives doesn't matter to even our own government so if you kill Nigerians, life goes on but if you kill an American, U.S would be on fire. Look at the recent shooting at Blake and the outrage it has sprung.

anonymous1759:
You're not far from the truth but America will fall According to the books . That will expose Israel to the king of the North Russia that'll lead to the Armageddon war because Israel can't stand their might with their allies that's when the prince of peace will come to her rescue .

I appreciate your comment, but i disagree with you on some points. Which portion of the books says the king of the north will defeat the king of the south? Israel mentioned in the prophecy has nothing to do with current nation of Israel. Israel as a nation had been rejected by God for not recognizing and identifying with His Son Jesus Christ. Jesus alluded to this at Matthew 23:37-39, and this was climaxed with the Roman empire conquering Jerusalem in 70C.E, thus destroying all their genealogical records of identity. The Israel of God is the new nation made up of all Christians who have been chosen to rule with Christ in heaven over this earth, Read Gal. 6:15-16, Revelation 5:9,10. And these are drawn from all nations of men. Read Revelation 7 and chapter 14. God had foreseen that His people, israel will reject the Messiahship of His Son Jesus, and expressed disapproval of them via prophet Hosea, at Hosea 4:6. So current Israel does not serve God's purpose.
Current king of the north, Russia will not defeat the King of the south, America, neither will America do same, but both including all human governments will be destroyed by the Messianic kingdom. Prophet Daniel makes that clear at Daniel chapter 11, and chapter 2:44.

rottennaija:
I thought it was Beijing

That too. There is lockdown too around Beijing which lay credence to the talk of China having more casualties than other places

rottennaija:
So this boils down to religious organisations? In that case, then Jesus words in Mt 24:28 that he will be with his disciples all the says til the very end is meaningless.

And you are talking about the apostles. How about other Christians? Are you saying after the dead of the apostles, we had no Christians again doing God's will? If they weren't, where did they go to? Who did they serve God?

In that case, then Jesus words in Mt 24:28 that he will be with his disciples all the says til the very end is meaningless.

No, that statement of Jesus is very meaningful. There had been Christians over those 2000 years, but they existed not as a group but as individuals and this is in harmony with Jesus' prophetic parable of the wheat and tares, at Matthew chapter 13. But at the time of harvest, the parable was clear that these true Christians will separate from the false ones. All this has happened. Those 2000 years are likened to when the children of israel were in Babylonian captivity. Though individuals like Daniel, Meshech, Abednego etc were in Babylon they did not exist as a nation.
I must tell you i am enjoying your reasoning.

Awoo88:
China and gragra. In all out war, USA will win. Trump is looking for excuse to fight someone and get his rating up before November. Iran stylishly avoided war with America. They need a new target. Someone or something they will beat to brag about

Muslim countries don't avoid wars bro, they live for it

ProfAmaben:
I'm quoting you for your sensibility. How do you think China can stand the US on sea? Kindly elucidate.

. The US seems to be the master of the seas with destroyers and aircraft carriers(which it has the most). It navy also has a formidable airforce which can also be used against adversary navy.
In times of submarine warfare America has one of the best submarine(though in limited numbers) and submarine warfare doctrines.

For China they also have a formidable navy which can hold its own against America navy they have a more numerical navy ships though most are outdated (but they are seriously modernizing at a more faster rate than America).
They also operate about 2 aircraft carriers and are planning more in the future.
America naval airforce clearly outclassed its Chinese counterparts but China is still not an easy pushover.
In submarine warfare China operate a modest class submarine mostly diesel/electric class which are dangerous in littoral waters and are meant to battle America forces close to Chinese homeland due to their limited range and endurance. These submarine also incoperate western technology which makes them formidable but they are in limited numbers.
the bulk of Chinese submarine are outdated compared to their American counterparts but trust me they are steadily modernizing this fleets also and even planning to outnumber their America foes.
Since China will likely be on the defensive and fight America close to their homeland, they are also counting on intermediate range ballistic missiles with anti ship and anti aircraft carriers capabilities to offset their mechanical disadvantages against America, and they are building this IRBM in bulk which could possess a serious threat to the America naval assets, not only are this missiles meant to be effective they are also more survivable since they are mobile hence able to avoid retaliatory strike from Americans...
In an all out naval war America will clearly win but also expect China to put up a fight and hurt America too(which it will take them decades to revive)

anonymous1759:
Stop watching too much movies and use your common sense. Have you heard of hypersonic missiles ? Faster than the speed of sound .

China and Russia got that weapon can Reach American in few hours . China told America their bases in Asia can be disband in 30 mins if it comes to war .

I pity countries that allow USA to have bases in their country when war starts they'll suffer the most . And Russia china knows the America tricks that's why they developed weapons that can get to USA soil in few hours.

Alaska boarders Russia , so Russia is close to US. USA can't go into war with any country that can cause them casualties that's why Iran and North Korea has not been bullied Talk less of Russia and China. If you pay attention to china and Russia news you'll know they ain't push over any war between them is 50/50 that's why they respect themselves they know the danger they possess but in Nairaland your love for America Movies and one sided News makes you reason upside down .

All the things you accuse china of America has done it both countries are bullies that's what it takes to be a world power. The only thing I don't like is one media to brain wash me and stops me from having a mind of my own .

If Nigeria is a country with vision they'll take this opportunity to partner Russia and China to have a formidable Military because the USA don't want more competition but Russia and china are open .

Mr man follow your own advice and use your common sense. No SINGLE missile from Russia or China WILL EVER make it to American airspace talkless of landing on American soil. America has counter-ICBM defense assets deployed all across Europe, up to Russia's door step, right at the border with Kazakhstan. They have various missile interceptor defense systems outside of America territory facing up into the sky, already deployed, just waiting to catch up to any ICBM whose trajectory is facing America. Yes, Russia has long range ICBMs that can reach America. But it will never reach. This is where sense is needed. IT WILL NEVER REACH American soil. Do you think all those satellites America put in space are just watching weather changes in the atmosphere? Is it not the air the missile will pass? They will see it coming and destroy it as quickly as it was fired. China doesn't have such missile range. They are trying to build, but they don't have it. And when they have it, they will join Russia on the list of countries with ICBM that can but will never make it to American soil. But America can fire thousands of missiles into Russia or China, from close by. That's one very intelligent MILITARY STRATEGY by America, they will always bring the war to your doorstep, but you will never get to theirs. 2 major World Wars, no single one reached America soil. Maybe closest they ever got was Hawaii and Alaska, which are outlying territories, that the Japanese initial gragra caught them unawares. But they paid dearly for it. Till today, Japan is America's little beeeech. They have been puppetized permanently by America. If not for America and the West, China will still be Japan's little beeeech that they oppress and subdue and enslave at will. The only way for an enemy State to successfully bomb America is from within, and Osama showed that to the world. Hitler wanted and dreamed and hoped to bomb a major US city like New York, but that was it, IT WAS NOTHING BUT A DREAM. America is 100 steps ahead with the political and military structure they built in this world.

Michaelcas:
Muslim countries don't avoid wars bro, they live for it

They love it if they can win. Why do you think Israel is still standing

anonymous1759:
Stop watching too much movies and use your common sense. Have you heard of hypersonic missiles ? Faster than the speed of sound .

China and Russia got that weapon can Reach American in few hours . China told America their bases in Asia can be disband in 30 mins if it comes to war .

I pity countries that allow USA to have bases in their country when war starts they'll suffer the most . And Russia china knows the America tricks that's why they developed weapons that can get to USA soil in few hours.

Alaska boarders Russia , so Russia is close to US. USA can't go into war with any country that can cause them casualties that's why Iran and North Korea has not been bullied Talk less of Russia and China. If you pay attention to china and Russia news you'll know they ain't push over any war between them is 50/50 that's why they respect themselves they know the danger they possess but in Nairaland your love for America Movies and one sided News makes you reason upside down .

All the things you accuse china of America has done it both countries are bullies that's what it takes to be a world power. The only thing I don't like is one media to brain wash me and stops me from having a mind of my own .

If Nigeria is a country with vision they'll take this opportunity to partner Russia and China to have a formidable Military because the USA don't want more competition but Russia and china are open .

Turns out you're the only person with matured reasoning here, movies murdered the common sense of the rest

NinjaMetahuman:
you have a fhucking data .

Google the darn thing.

It's 2020 not 1940.

Seriously.

Where do these illetrates pop out from? They have data and still be posting dumb shit.



Statista is there to feed your ignorance.
Go through all their strength.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/264443/the-worlds-largest-armies-based-on-active-force-level/

ode so active army determines military strength, olodo rabata

rottennaija:
Yeah. That's likely his game. But he is fucking with the wrong people. China beat them with COVID-19 response and the whole world knows it. Very likely, if China shuts down their plan and he chickens out as very likely he would, his approval rating drops further.

In fact, if you don't realise, America under Trump is more isolated than ever before because of Trumps foreign policies. America didn't become world power because of its military ability or economy, it became because of its allies whim trump is alienating.

That's what the Democrat understands. They know that another 4 years with Trump could means the end of the US dynasty. I don't like Trump, I wanted him to lose but considering how things are shaping up and the potential for US to lose world dominance under it, I'm beginning to favour him winning.

wicked guy *laughs in Olympus*

anonymous1759:
Stop watching too much movies and use your common sense. Have you heard of hypersonic missiles ? Faster than the speed of sound .

China and Russia got that weapon can Reach American in few hours . China told America their bases in Asia can be disband in 30 mins if it comes to war .

I pity countries that allow USA to have bases in their country when war starts they'll suffer the most . And Russia china knows the America tricks that's why they developed weapons that can get to USA soil in few hours.

Alaska boarders Russia , so Russia is close to US. USA can't go into war with any country that can cause them casualties that's why Iran and North Korea has not been bullied Talk less of Russia and China. If you pay attention to china and Russia news you'll know they ain't push over any war between them is 50/50 that's why they respect themselves they know the danger they possess but in Nairaland your love for America Movies and one sided News makes you reason upside down .

All the things you accuse china of America has done it both countries are bullies that's what it takes to be a world power. The only thing I don't like is one media to brain wash me and stops me from having a mind of my own .

If Nigeria is a country with vision they'll take this opportunity to partner Russia and China to have a formidable Military because the USA don't want more competition but Russia and china are open .

Too much sense for you... Yes the US might likely son /win China but at what cost? US will weep too and at the end everyone will ask is it worth it?

Simeonjoe1:
Oga stfu... Mehn you too underestimate China o.. Lol I hope if the war start you'll help Americans fight China has hundreds of icbm that can reach anywhere in America soil. Those guys are a sleeping tiger that should not be awoken

Underestimate? You are a bloody joker. Who is China in world affairs. America has fought and won 2 World Wars. Who the hell is China? When America was busy laying the foundation of world dominance and global rule in World War 1, your China was busy struggling to free itself from Japanese slavery; by World War 2, your China was recovering from Japanese enslavement and feeding from America crumbs to grow and feed its population. No, you're the one overestimating China, maybe because they gave you Tecno phone, you think China has arrived. Nonsense

internationalman:
US should come to Nigeria airspace and fly around to spy on bokoharam activities all they want na..

Those people in Asia don't need protecting like Africa does.....

USA has been carrying out aircraft surveillance and satellite image around Sambisa for more than half decade but there is no any serious development. After BH abducted Chibok school girls. The U.S. military has conducted several surveillance flights over northeastern Nigeria in an effort to find school girls held by a terrorist group but is not sharing the intelligence gathered with the Nigerian government, Pentagon officials said.
Don't be deceived, they enjoy seeing us in this mess. They only like doing things in their favour or anything that will depend their interest.

China[b] Xi-jinping hasn't fought a serious war for decades [/b] china china china

This is coming from china

Let me go and sleep...
......someone should please wake me when Russia fires Satan2 missiles.



When U.s starts war...more money roll in

The country has never know peace since its inception..... Always fighting year in year out.

titiakins:
China is really flexing its muscles

They don't know who they are messing with

If not for the useless democrats that are always in support of China, China no get this kind mind on a good day!

You don't even know what you are saying

Daddysidhan:
ode so active army determines military strength, olodo rabata

even when I asked you to check on the strengths one after the other. From human to weapons, the illiteracy and stupidity in you just won't allow you to.

Sorry is your case.

ThreeBlackBird:
Many are not aware of these. War is maths to them. Even this Nigeria they undermine would give US a tough time in war because war is based on strategies and not weapons. Nigerian lives doesn't matter to even our own government so if you kill Nigerians, life goes on but if you kill an American, U.S would be on fire. Look at the recent shooting at Blake and the outrage it has sprung.

I'm thinking the same

marvin906:
now I know am discussing with a simpleton..
the cons of the F 35 is more than the pros..
a jet that lacks run or avoid attack..
a jet that can't carry much weapons..
head to head with the su 35 your gonna what am talking about..
am not underestimating the F 35 but even the US defence know is flawed

At beyond visual range the F35 will chew the Su35 (which it's meant for according to the designers)
But in a dogfight the F35 is a sitting duck.,Su 35 clearly outclass it at close range.
The F35 is meant to use it stealth, more advanced avionics and electronic warfare systems against the Su35.. So the F35 will see the Su35 first and shoot the first shot. The Su35 will be fighting blind against a for it cannot see..
But if the F35 fails to take down the Su35 and the range between them is decreasing its now meant for the f35 to abort and flee or head into a dogfight with the Su35 (which will be the most stupid thing for the pilot to do)

Simeonjoe1:
At beyond visual range the F35 will chew the Su35 (which it's meant for according to the designers)
But in a dogfight the F35 is a sitting duck.,Su 35 clearly outclass it at close range.
The F35 is meant to use it stealth, more advanced avionics and electronic warfare systems against the Su35.. So the F35 will see the Su35 first and shoot the first shot. The Su35 will be fighting blind against a for it cannot see..
But if the F35 fails to take down the Su35 and the range between them is decreasing its now meant for the f35 to abort and flee or head into a dogfight with the Su35 (which will be the most stupid thing for the pilot to do)

the su 35 not being able to see the F35 is arguable..
nevertheless love your write-up

Awoo88:
You are wrong about the covid thing. China information is heavily censored and control. China lost more life that any other county. You have access to information about covid in us and other places. Information that created an illusion of china's effectiveness.

You are right on spot here. Those who rely on china media information will be misled because China has always been frugal with the truth. So relying on what you hear or read from them is misleading. After declaring that they lost 3,400 or so chinese to the virus when they saw the world did not believe them, they came up with the news that they forgot to add about 1,300 or so. How could they have made a mistake of missing a whole 1,390 or so souls. Disgusting. They had a clash with India recently only India came up with their figures, it took months for them to even accept that recorded casualties which western media have even said were higher than those of India. So those relying on their propaganda will always get it wrong.

Openbusiness:
Mr man follow your own advice and use your common sense. No SINGLE missile from Russia or China WILL EVER make it to American airspace talkless of landing on American soil. America has counter-ICBM defense assets deployed all across Europe, up to Russia's door step, right at the border with Kazakhstan. They have various missile interceptor defense systems outside of America territory facing up into the sky, already deployed, just waiting to catch up to any ICBM whose trajectory is facing America. Yes, Russia has long range ICBMs that can reach America. But it will never reach. This is where sense is needed. IT WILL NEVER REACH American soil. Do you think all those satellites America put in space are just watching weather changes in the atmosphere? Is it not the air the missile will pass? They will see it coming and destroy it as quickly as it was fired. China doesn't have such missile range. They are trying to build, but they don't have it. And when they have it, they will join Russia on the list of countries with ICBM that can but will never make it to American soil. But America can fire thousands of missiles into Russia or China, from close by. That's one very intelligent MILITARY STRATEGY by America, they will always bring the war to your doorstep, but you will never get to theirs. 2 major World Wars, no single one reached America soil. Maybe closest they ever got was Hawaii and Alaska, which are outlying territories, that the Japanese initial gragra caught them unawares. But they paid dearly for it. Till today, Japan is America's little beeeech. They have been puppetized permanently by America. If not for America and the West, China will still be Japan's little beeeech that they oppress and subdue and enslave at will. The only way for an enemy State to successfully bomb America is from within, and Osama showed that to the world. Hitler wanted and dreamed and hoped to bomb a major US city like New York, but that was it, IT WAS NOTHING BUT A DREAM. America is 100 steps ahead with the political and military structure they built in this world.

Baba all these are just paper hype, has the air defense system been tested in actual combat?
How can they fare against a barrage of discharging warheads at a particular time?
Can they deal with complex and sophisticated attacks?
What about in an electronic warfare environment how well will they operate?
Russia and China has claimed to develop hypersonic missiles, can they stop these missiles traveling at 6+ the speed of sound inside the atmosphere?

Yes US and allies air defense systems might be effective but don't espect them to shoot down all the missiles. Even Isreal with one of the best air defense systems has about 80% success rate (which even the military classed as a success as even them are not especting total intercept but just minimal damage against them) against a far inferior and less sophisticated ballistic missiles, now imagine a defense against a more advanced ballistic missiles that is even designed to fool such systems.

Openbusiness:
Underestimate? You are a bloody joker. Who is China in world affairs. America has fought and won 2 World Wars. Who the hell is China? When America was busy laying the foundation of world dominance and global rule in World War 1, your China was busy struggling to free itself from Japanese slavery; by World War 2, your China was recovering from Japanese enslavement and feeding from America crumbs to grow and feed its population. No, you're the one overestimating China, maybe because they gave you Tecno phone, you think China has arrived. Nonsense

No boss I know American will likely defeat China (which is even doubted by some expert) but it will not be an easy war and America will bleed for it.
China is now a growing military threat to the US and even its sceptical Allie Russia. These guys risen fast well like you say only a full blown war will determine the real power but don't be shock when you see China hitting America hard where it hurts cause they can do it currently....

Would there have been a problem if you had said no America got more quality with weapons and stated clear facts. Arguments are won with superior facts and not with insults.

Simeonjoe1:
Shut up man even Isreal buys American tech.. And us buys Isreal tech also but US is more superior

Investnow2017:
No, that statement of Jesus is very meaningful. There had been Christians over those 2000 years, but they existed not as a group but as individuals and this is in harmony with Jesus' prophetic parable of the wheat and tares, at Matthew chapter 13. But at the time of harvest, the parable was clear that these true Christians will separate from the false ones. All this has happened. Those 2000 years are likened to when the children of israel were in Babylonian captivity. Though individuals like Daniel, Meshech, Abednego etc were in Babylon they did not exist as a nation.
I must tell you i am enjoying your reasoning.

By your admission, there have always been God's servant throughout history that Jesus was there for ( in their millions). So irrespective of whether God's servant were scattered, scanty or not. World powers would have something to do with them one way or another and they have been many super powers over the past 2000 years.

Let me ask you, in the course of the first 6 world powers, where they other world powers that were not counted or recognised as such because they didn't ruled over God's people? If there were, which where they?

And if they were not, why should the criteria for determination of who constitute world power and who doesn't change over the past 2000 years ( such that even while acknowledging that they have been many powers that rose and fell over the period, they are not counted?)

marvin906:
the su 35 not being able to see the F35 is arguable..
nevertheless love your write-up

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Baba the F35 is stealthy and also has the best Radar system between the two.
The su35 can see the F35 no doubt but at a closer range.. By Then the F35 might have seen the su35 since...

GEEBITE:
Would there have been a problem if you had said no America got more quality with weapons and stated clear facts. Arguments are won with superior facts and not with insults.

Sorry for the outrage