Maximus69:


You even missed the number, it's over 41,000 interpretation Sir!

So you must first ascertain which interpretation is correct before you can make a meaningful correction!

Of cos yours will always be correct! At least in most cases right?

AntiChristian:


Of cos yours will always be correct! At least in most cases right?

Just as yours also always is correct to you!

DappaD:


You are a SCAMMER Mr bloodofthelamb sir!
How convenient of you to skip the verse 15 of that chapter which calls Jesus the “firstborn of all creation.”

Is the Almighty God Jehovah a creation?
Please don't be stupid

Thanks for the scammer tag but you can keep it anyway. Now back to topic, you guys should always know that context is king. The word translated firstborn is the Greek word "prototokos" which can mean different things eg preeminence.

David was made firstborn in Psalm 89:27-- I will also appoint him my firstborn, most exalted of the kings of the earth. David was not the firstborn of his Father in fact, he was the youngest of them all. So my dear the firstborn in this context doesn't mean that Jesus was created, it rather means that Jesus has preeminence over all creation because he created them. Colossians 1:16 should give you a better understanding.

Janosky:


Proverbs8:22

"Lord Jehovah created* me at the beginning of his creation and from before all of his works". *


Bros, what is the meaning of Hebrew Qanah in Psalms 139:13, Proverbs 8:22 and Genesis 14:19,22 ?

Triune pagan deity devotees, Continue deceiving yourselves

Bros, Qanah also means possess are you aware?

Janosky:


Proverbs8:22

"Lord Jehovah created* me at the beginning of his creation and from before all of his works". *


Bros, what is the meaning of Hebrew Qanah in Psalms 139:13, Proverbs 8:22 and Genesis 14:19,22 ?

Triune pagan deity devotees, Continue deceiving yourselves

Bros do you agree that it was wisdom speaking in Proverb 8? I know why I am asking because I have read you guys article and I know what you people wrote about Proverb 8.

Are you going to deny like maximus your brother that it was not wisdom speaking in Proverb 8.

bloodofthelamb:
Bros do you agree that it was wisdom speaking in Proverb 8? I know why I am asking because I have read you guys article and I know what you people wrote about Proverb 8.

Are you going to deny like maximus your brother that it was not wisdom speaking in Proverb 8.

Do you think your Pastors calling us cult just think so for no reason? Matthew 10:25

Well it's because throughout the earth Jehovah's Witnesses have the same line of thought on each topic of Bible discourse { John 17:21-23} so stop deceiving yourselves it's you and your cohorts that's scattered in faith {Luke 11:23} Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) are one in thought! Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2

Janosky:


Proverbs 8:3 , is Wisdom is personified as woman?

Proverbs 8:22-30, Wisdom is a master craftsman.
Bros, woman dey do master craftsman?
Una, Trinitarians, know say Jesus Christ is the wisdom personified in Proverbs8:22-30, but una pride no let una confess Jesus is a creature, the Son of Hebrews1:2.
("Firstborn of every creature",so says the New Testament).

Dubiously fraudulent Triune pagan deity devotees

Bros you are agreeing that Jesus is the wisdom personified in Proverb 8 who is also the wisdom of God according to Scripture. What you are saying is that there was a time God was without wisdom (Jesus) until He created him. Or does God have another wisdom apart from Christ who is the wisdom of God?

DappaD:


Can you speak on behalf of the beliefs/tenets of DrLiveLogic? Or does he have his own definition of your trinity god?


What's up with the other thread—seems you ran away

You guys( all Jehovah witness zombie) specialise on using emoji in all their write up with aim of deceiving

bloodofthelamb:


You guys( all Jehovah witness zombie) specialise on using emoji in all their write up with aim of deceiving

Call us zombie o, robot o, it will not change the fact that 8.7million men and women across the globe are all united in the same line of thought towards achieving one goal–declaring the good news of God's Kingdom —Matthew 24:14, 2Corinthians 13:11, Philippians 2:2

Now I ask you again, do you agree with all the beliefs of DrLiveLogic? Or both of you have differing beliefs?

Maximus69:


Do you think your Pastors calling us cult just think so for no reason? Matthew 10:25

Well it's because throughout the earth Jehovah's Witnesses have the same line of thought on each topic of Bible discourse { John 17:21-23} so stop deceiving yourselves it's you and your cohorts that's scattered in faith {Luke 11:23} Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) are one in thought! Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2

That's because the GB thinks for you people now.

Blabbermouth:

The scripture says
1. Unto us a child is born.
Commentary: That child is a human child (I.e. baby Jesus)
Then it continues and says
2."The government SHALL be upon his shoulder. His name SHALL be called "
Commentary:The same Human child will then become
3. Wondeful counsellor, Mighty God.....
Commentary: The Human child shall become a God
Your scripture proves the opposite I.E. Humanity become Divinity.
That's not what we want, we need Divinity(I.e God) become humanity(human).

Funny, lemme understand this. You know it is Jesus, you know He was Human and God. What's the deal about the arrangement? You would believe more that Jesus is Human and God or what?

bloodofthelamb:

That's because the GB thinks for you people now.

So was Jesus suggesting the GB will be his slave that will be feeding his domestics sheep in this endtime or you're saying Jesus shouldn't have made such suggestion? Matthew 24:45

Maximus69:


Do you think your Pastors calling us cult just think so for no reason? Matthew 10:25

Well it's because throughout the earth Jehovah's Witnesses have the same line of thought on each topic of Bible discourse { John 17:21-23} so stop deceiving yourselves it's you and your cohorts that's scattered in faith {Luke 11:23} Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) are one in thought! Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2

Once someone has a divergent view he is immediately proscribed as an apostate and you call that what?

Maximus69:


So was Jesus suggesting the GB will be his slave that will be feeding his domestics sheep in this endtime or you're saying Jesus shouldn't have made such suggestion? Matthew 24:45

So in your own understanding now Jesus was talking about the GB in Matthew 24:25. wheew! They should have been 12 in number why 8?

bloodofthelamb:

Thanks for the scammer tag but you can keep it anyway. Now back to topic, you guys should always know that context is king. The word translated firstborn is the Greek word "prototokos" which can mean different things eg preeminence.

David was made firstborn in Psalm 89:27-- I will also appoint him my firstborn, most exalted of the kings of the earth. David was not the firstborn of his Father in fact, he was the youngest of them all. So my dear the firstborn in this context doesn't mean that Jesus was created, it rather means that Jesus has preeminence over all creation because he created them. Colossians 1:16 should give you a better understanding.

I've heard you. Look at who wants to explain context to me. I'll school you in that field.


But does Revelation 3:14 also agree with what you're saying? Or does that verse also explain that Jesus is indeed the first being to be created by God?

bloodofthelamb:


So in your own understanding now Jesus was talking about the GB in Matthew 24:25. wheew! They should have been 12 in number why 8?

Why not you call your own church/organization where you take instruction from na?
So that you can explain to us what Jesus was talking about at Matthew 24:45?


The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses make up the composite “faithful and discreet slave” class at Matthew 24:45 who Jesus said will dispense spiritual food to the rest of the sheepfold of Jehovah's Witnesses—they themselves also being fellow slaves and not our leaders.
The number dwindles between 7 and 8, which is the number with which the first century Christians appointed men to fill that “governing body” role—Acts 6:3

DappaD:


I've heard you. Look at who wants to explain context to me. I'll school you in that field.


But does Revelation 3:14 also agree with what you're saying? Or does that verse also explain that Jesus is indeed the first being to be created by God?

Oshe! I didn't know I was chatting with one the GB, pls forgive my manners. Regarding Revelation 3:14, the word translated into "beginning" can also be referred to as "origin." In other words Jesus is the beginning(origin) of God's creation. He began it all that is why He is called "the beginning and the end".

bloodofthelamb:
Oshe! I didn't know I was chatting with one the GB, pls forgive my manners. Regarding Revelation 3:14, the word translated into "beginning" can also be referred to as "origin." In other words Jesus is the beginning(origin) of God's creation. He began it all that is why He is called "the beginning and the end".

Wait...
Let me get this straight—you believe Jesus is the same as God, yes?

bloodofthelamb:
Once someone has a divergent view he is immediately proscribed as an apostate and you call that what?

That's ousting Satan's agents from God's arrangement {Matthew 16:23} once you're not ready to continue with the oneness in spirit, just take your leave, Jehovah's Organization is not your calling!

bloodofthelamb:


So in your own understanding now Jesus was talking about the GB in Matthew 24:25. wheew! They should have been 12 in number why 8?

It's their efficacy not their number!

The first century Christians were able to maintain the oneness in thought {Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10} what baffles me is how do you people feel that could be possible if there is no efficiency in the body of Christ? Ephesians 4:12

Or you're thinking all of you having contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines makes sense as the body of Christ shey? 1Corinthians 14:33,40

DappaD:


Wait...
Let me get this straight—you believe Jesus is the same as God, yes?

They're trying to hide their shame even when they can't speak with one mind on their TRINITY Dogheads, so each time Satan remember how united in spirit JWs are globally the next thing that comes straight into his mind is "What could be done about this indomitable Governing Body?"

That's why whenever you speak of the oneness which Satan can't produce in the midst of all his rebellious gaggles, each of them becomes furious about the GB instead of asking why are they so efficient?

DappaD:


Wait...
Let me get this straight—you believe Jesus is the same as God, yes?

Jesus is one with God.

bloodofthelamb:
Jesus is one[in agreement] with God.

OK
I, DappaD am one in agreement with Maximus69(John 17:21-23), does this mean we're the same person?
Before you answer, take a look at that Scripture above.

THE SPIRIT OF GOD DWELLS IN ME : GOD DWELLS IN ME : THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST DWELLS IN ME: CHRIST IN ME; THE HOPE OF GLORY.



1 John 4:15
"Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God."

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."

Galatians 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father."

Colossians 1:27
"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Maximus69:


They're trying to hide their shame even when they can't speak with one mind on their TRINITY Dogheads, so each time Satan remember how united in spirit JWs are globally the next thing that comes straight into his mind is "What could be done about this indomitable Governing Body?"

That's why whenever you speak of the oneness which Satan can't produce in the midst of all his rebellious gaggles, each of them becomes furious about the GB instead of asking why are they so efficient?

I'm sure if we leave DrLiveLogic and bloodofthelamb alone on one thread, they'll argue and argue vehemently about who their Trinity god is.
But on this occasion, it seems they've set differences aside and want to prove JWs wrong by all means
Hmmmm, it reminds me about that broad gate/road Jesus talked about at Matthew 7:13,14.
Only God's true servants(JWs) will understand.

I love the truth: the truth is insurmountable, anytime, anywhere.
Shalom brethren.

I dropped some [scriptural] witnesses to the truth: up there (mostly @the end of d 4th pg and across the thread) for anyone who diligently seeks to know the truth: and truly I say unto you; "seek [the truth] and ye shall find [it]" .
"and ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free"

Bye for now.

Maximus69:


It's their efficacy not their number!

The first century Christians were able to maintain the oneness in thought {Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10} what baffles me is how do you people feel that could be possible if there is no efficiency in the body of Christ? Ephesians 4:12

Or you're thinking all of you having contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines makes sense as the body of Christ shey? 1Corinthians 14:33,40

What do you mean by oneness in thought?

Are you sure there were no differences in the early church as well,

This verse below shows that there were differences in thought in the early churches,



Romans 14:5-6 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Your problem is that you think the unity tha the Christian unity is a cult like slavery that you cannot think for yourself?
The Christian unity is a Spiritual unity, a unity of faith in Jesus christ as the Lord, the operation God the father, and unity in the holy Spirit.
All Christian has one Spirit.
Yes love include the ability to correct each other and to disagree with each other for the sake of the truth.
Even among the apostles there were disagreement for paul even challenged peter on some occasion when the need arose and peter became the better for it.


Your organisation is a cult that is why they do not allow divergent opinion.

DappaD:


OK
I, DappaD am one in agreement with Maximus69(John 17:21-23), does this mean we're the same person?
Before you answer, take a look at that Scripture above.

You compare canal things with spiritual things. And by the way do you agree that Jesus is the wisdom of God as portrayed in the Bible?

solite3:

What do you mean by oneness in thought?

Are you sure there were no differences in the early church as well,

This verse below shows that there were differences in thought in the early churches,



Romans 14:5-6 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Your problem is that you think the unity tha the Christian unity is a cult like slavery were you cannot think for yourself?
The Christian unity is a Spiritual unity, a unity of faith in Jesus christ as the Lord, the operation God the father, and unity in the holy Spirit.
All Christian has one Spirit and hence has Divine love among themselves.
Yes love include the ability to correct each other and to disagree with each other for the sake of the truth.
Even among the apostles there were disagreement for paul even challenged peter on some occasion when the need arose and peter became the better for it.


Your organisation is a cult that is why they do not allow divergent opinion.

well written bro

bloodofthelamb:
You compare canal things with spiritual things. And by the way do you agree that Jesus is the wisdom of God as portrayed in the Bible?

Biko leave ‘carnal’ and ‘spiritual’ things alone for now—because in my eyes you don't measure up to anything ‘spiritual’ .

I, DappaD am one in agreement with Maximus69, does this mean we're the same person?—John 17:21-23{verse 22 especially}

Just answer my question with YES or NO sir!

bloodofthelamb:
well written bro

they are blind