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Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by DappaD: 4:30pm On Aug 30, 2020
solite3:
scroll up, my reply to maximums

Mr solite3

I need where the Bible said verbatim that “Jesus is the Almighty God”.
Can you provide the verse or not?

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Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 4:32pm On Aug 30, 2020
DappaD:
Where did the Bible say “Jesus is God” ?
Simple!
I don't need too much explanations.

WizzyVine:
Before I answer your question, just first tell me right now, where the Bible says Jesus is angel Michael. Tell me right now, and I'll give you a whole drum of truth.

You hate Isaiah 9:6 because it exposes your heresy. What's out of context in that scripture that explicitly prophesied the Virgin birth?

Tell us now, just one scripture that says Jesus is Michael.
We need where the Bible said verbatim that “Jesus is Michael”.
Can you provide the verse or not?

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Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by DappaD: 4:35pm On Aug 30, 2020
MuttleyLaff:


We need where the Bible said verbatim that “Jesus is Michael”.
Can you provide the verse or not?

MuttleyLaff
I need where the Bible said verbatim that
“Jesus is the Almighty God”.
Can you provide the verse or not?

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Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 4:36pm On Aug 30, 2020
solite3:
scroll up, my reply to maximus

Moses WAS God at a point in his life! Exodus 7:1

Jesus (Michael) also became a God at a point in his life that's why John could say

"in the beginning WAS the word, and the word WAS with God and the word WAS (a) God" John 1:1

You can never find anywhere in the scriptures where it is written that "Jesus IS God" cheesy
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 4:44pm On Aug 30, 2020
DappaD:
[s]MuttleyLaff
I need where the Bible said verbatim that
“Jesus is the Almighty God”.
Can you provide the verse or not?[/s]

Maximus69:
[s]Moses WAS God at a point in his life! Exodus 7:1

Jesus (Michael) also became a God at a point in his life that's why John could say

"in the beginning WAS the word, and the word WAS with God and the word WAS (a) God" John 1:1

You can never find anywhere in the scriptures where it is written that "Jesus IS God" cheesy[/s]
You can never find anywhere in the scriptures where it is verbatim written that "Jesus is Michael"
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by DappaD: 4:46pm On Aug 30, 2020
MuttleyLaff:


You can never find anywhere in the scriptures where it is verbatim written that "Jesus is Michael"

Oh so you don't like when the tables are reversed. grin
How convenient grin

Til you point out which verse of the Bible said “Jesus is God” like that, you'll just continue to deceive yourself. undecided
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 4:48pm On Aug 30, 2020
So both of us either way are simply laying claims based on our understanding of the scriptures!

There is nowhere in the scriptures where it is written that

"Jesus is Michael"

Neither can anyone quote a verse where it is written

"Jesus is God"

That's why Jesus himself said "by their FRUIT you will know them"

That's why we must consider thoroughly the GROUP that's producing the FRUIT of God's holy spirit because Jesus said "you are the salt and light of the world" {Matthew 5:13-16} of course that statement have everything to do with a global GROUP not some individuals found in various religious groups claiming Christians with contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings! cheesy

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Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by WizzyVine: 4:51pm On Aug 30, 2020
DappaD:



Me now I'm asking

Where did the Bible say “Jesus is God” ?
Simple!
I don't need too much explanations.

You're avoiding the question. Good. Shows your claim to a Michaelic Jesus is false.

Many scriptures reveal that Jesus is God. See below:

John 1

John.1.1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Continued
John.1.10 - 12

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, [/b]and the world knew him not.
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

John.1.14
[b]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John.1.17 -18
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

The above scripture reveals:

1. Jesus pre-existed as the Word, and not as an angel.
2. The Word itself is God
3. The word became flesh (Jesus) and dwelt among men.
4. The Word that became flesh was rejected by His own for they knew Him not. Some today even think He's angel Michael.
5. He is the only begotten of the Father.

Now the Word was. The Word was God. The Word became flesh. God, the Word transformed Himself to man! Hallelujah!!

The Holy Spirit added, that "...Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." Deliberately mentioning His name so that some people won't come up and say, the Word is Moses, Michael or Mohammed.

Talking about Jesus in
1st Timothy 6:15

"..which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords"

Who is the blessed and only potentate? The Almighty God. The Word that became flesh and dwelt among men. His name isn't Michael. His name is Jesus Christ. Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

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Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 4:52pm On Aug 30, 2020
DappaD:
Oh so you don't like when the tables are reversed. grin
How convenient grin
You, Maximus69 and Co are satan’s mouthpiece and a phoney.
You all are just like your father, the devil. The father of lies

Very confused man you are and the rest of ya. I should have known never send a bwoy, to do a grown man's job, to show where, in the scriptures it is verbatim written that "Jesus is Michael"
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 4:53pm On Aug 30, 2020
WizzyVine:


You're avoiding the question. Good. Shows your claim to a Michaelic Jesus is false.

Many scriptures reveal that Jesus is God. See below:

John 1

John.1.1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Continued
John.1.10 - 12

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, [/b]and the world knew him not.
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

John.1.14
[b]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John.1.17 -18
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

The above scripture reveals:

1. Jesus pre-existed as the Word, and not as an angel.
2. The Word itself is God
3. The word became flesh (Jesus) and dwelt among men.
4. The Word that became flesh was rejected by His own for they knew Him not. Some today even think He's angel Michael.
5. He is the only begotten of the Father.

Now the Word was. The Word was God. The Word became flesh. God, the Word transformed Himself to man! Hallelujah!!

The Holy Spirit added, that "...Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." Deliberately mentioning His name so that some people won't come up and say, the Word is Moses, Michael or Mohammed.

Talking about Jesus in
1st Timothy 6:15

"..which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords"

Who is the blessed and only potentate? The Almighty God. The Word that became flesh and dwelt among men. His name isn't Michael. His name is Jesus Christ. Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.



Where is it written in the scriptures that

"Jesus IS God"

No long story! cheesy
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 4:55pm On Aug 30, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
You, Maximus69 and Co are satan’s mouthpiece and a phoney.
You all are just like your father, the devil. The father of lies

Very confused man you are and the rest of ya. I should have known never send a bwoy, to do a grown man's job, to show where, in the scriptures it is verbatim written that "Jesus is Michael"

So you can't quote anywhere in the scriptures that says

"Jesus is God" shey? cheesy

Welldone Sir! cheesy
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by DappaD: 4:58pm On Aug 30, 2020
WizzyVine:


You're avoiding the question. Good. Shows your claim to a Michaelic Jesus is false.

Many scriptures reveal that Jesus is God. See below:

John 1

John.1.1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Continued
John.1.10 - 12

He was in the world, and the world was made by him, [/b]and the world knew him not.
He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

John.1.14
[b]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John.1.17 -18
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

The above scripture reveals:

1. Jesus pre-existed as the Word, and not as an angel.
2. The Word itself is God
3. The word became flesh (Jesus) and dwelt among men.
4. The Word that became flesh was rejected by His own for they knew Him not. Some today even think He's angel Michael.
5. He is the only begotten of the Father.

Now the Word was. The Word was God. The Word became flesh. God, the Word transformed Himself to man! Hallelujah!!

The Holy Spirit added, that "...Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." Deliberately mentioning His name so that some people won't come up and say, the Word is Moses, Michael or Mohammed.

Talking about Jesus in
1st Timothy 6:15

"..which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords"

Who is the blessed and only potentate? The Almighty God. The Word that became flesh and dwelt among men. His name isn't Michael. His name is Jesus Christ. Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.



You're still not getting it
If I give you 1Thessalonians 4:16 and explain that in the future, Jesus will come with an archangel's voice—confirming that he's the archangel Michael, you WILL not agree with me so why should I agree with your own explanation since you can't show me the scripture that said “Jesus is God” verbatim?
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 4:59pm On Aug 30, 2020
Maximus69:


The WORD of God and the word WAS God! smiley

Please show me where it is written like

"Jesus IS God" simple! cheesy

Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Show me from the bible that Jesus is angel Michael
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 5:00pm On Aug 30, 2020
DappaD:


Mr solite3

I need where the Bible said verbatim that “Jesus is the Almighty God”.
Can you provide the verse or not?
what else can be more verbatim than that.
Jesus has all power in heaven and on earth
Show me from the bible where Jesus is called Angel Michael
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by DappaD: 5:04pm On Aug 30, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
You, Maximus69 and Co are satan’s mouthpiece and a phoney.
You all are just like your father, the devil. The father of lies

Very confused man you are and the rest of ya. I should have known never send a bwoy, to do a grown man's job, to show where, in the scriptures it is verbatim written that "Jesus is Michael"

OK oo grin grin
Lemme just quote the words of Jesus at Matthew 10:24-25
““A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household?” ”
If the Pharisees could call Jesus, Beelzebub/Satan, what do you think people of the same kind as the Pharisees—in this case, YOU, would call those of his household i.e. his disciples?
THINK! wink
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by DappaD: 5:04pm On Aug 30, 2020
solite3:
what else can be more verbatim than that.
Jesus has all power in heaven and on earth

So did that place say that “Jesus is God” or you enjoy beating around the bush as usual?
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Acehart: 5:05pm On Aug 30, 2020
DappaD:


Where did the Bible say “Jesus is God” ?
Simple!
I don't need too much explanations.

All things that the Father hath are mine(Joh 16:15)

The word “all” when used to describe the scores between two parties means both parties are equal. The word “all” here also means that the whole quantity or extent of the Father belongs to the Son. We know that the word “all” means “entire” or “entirety”. In the Greek translation, “All things” means “Whatsoever”. Therefore, if the Father is crowned with glory, Jesus is crowned with glory; if the Father is honoured as God, the same honour is attributed to the Son because “All” that the Father has, the Son has as well.
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by DappaD: 5:07pm On Aug 30, 2020
Acehart:


All things that the Father hath are mine(Joh 16:15)

The word “all” when to describe the scores between two parties mean both parties are equal. The word “all” here also means that the whole quantity or extent of the Father, belongs to the Son. We know that the word “all” means “entire” or “entirety”. In the Greek translation, “All things” means “Whatsoever”. Therefore, if the Father is crowned with glory, Jesus is crowned with glory; if the Father is honoured as God, the same honour is attributed to the Son because “All” that the Father has, the Son has as well.

Mr Acehart
I know you're a man of reason. I respect that.
But you and your people should leave explanations out of this and just provide the scripture that said “Jesus is God”. Thank you. smiley

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Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 5:09pm On Aug 30, 2020
DappaD:


So did that place say that “Jesus is God” or you enjoy beating around the bush as usual?
Didnt you see paul called him the great God and saviour?
Meanwhile atleast you can show where Jesus was described as Michael.

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Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 5:09pm On Aug 30, 2020
Maximus69:
So you can't quote anywhere in the scriptures that says

"Jesus is God" shey? cheesy

Welldone Sir! cheesy
There's a very good reason I won't yet quote of out the available number of verses of the Bible directly stating that Jesus is God. I will immediately do so only after you and/or DappaD have provided scriptures where it is verbatim written that "Jesus is Michael"
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by DappaD: 5:11pm On Aug 30, 2020
solite3:
Didnt you see paul called him the great God and saviour?
Meanwhile atleast you can show where Jesus was described as Michael.

I said leave all explanations out of this and provide the scripture that said the below

Jesus is God.

Simple! Since we want to ignore context, let's have a go at it then.
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 5:13pm On Aug 30, 2020
DappaD:


You're still not getting it
If I give you 1Thessalonians 4:16 and explain that in the future, Jesus will come with an archangel's voice—confirming that he's the archangel Michael, you WILL not agree with me so why should I agree with your own explanation since you can't show me the scripture that said “Jesus is God” verbatim?

Well Jesus himself said

"God love the world so much that he GAVE his only begotten Son so that everyone exercising faith in him should not perish but have everlasting life" John 3:16

This is the only verse that directly talked about Salvation and Jesus referred to himself as God's Son NOT God!

He also asked his first century followers what they thought about him and Peter said

"You are the SON of God" Matthew 16:16

Jesus confirmed that what Peter said was inspired by God himself! Matthew 16:17

So Jesus according to the scriptures is "the SON of God NOT God, definitely he is one of God's spirit Sons (angels) that's why it makes more sense to conclude that he is the Archangel Michael (the commander of God's armies) smiley

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Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 5:14pm On Aug 30, 2020
DappaD:


I said leave all explanations out of this and provide the scripture that said the below

Jesus is God.

Simple! Since we want to ignore context, let's have a go at it then.

I will show you only if you first answer my question.

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Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 5:15pm On Aug 30, 2020
Maximus69:


Well Jesus himself said

"God love the world so much that he GAVE his only begotten Son so that everyone exercising faith in him should not perish but have everlasting life" John 3:16

This is the only verse that directly talked about Salvation and Jesus referred to himself as God's Son NOT God!

He also asked his first century followers what they thought about him and Peter said

"You are the SON of God" Matthew 16:16

Jesus confirmed that what Peter said was inspired by God himself! Matthew 16:17

So Jesus according to the scriptures is "the SON of God NOT God, definitely he is one of God's spirit Sons (angels) that's why it makes more sense to conclude that he is the Archangel Michael (the commander of God's armies) smiley
going by your logic if Son of God is not God, then son of man is not man right?
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by DappaD: 5:15pm On Aug 30, 2020
solite3:

I will show you only if you first answer my question.

Me too, I'll only show you if you first answer my own question. grin
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 5:16pm On Aug 30, 2020
solite3:


Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Show me from the bible that Jesus is angel Michael


Where is it WRITTEN in the scriptures

"Jesus is God" cheesy
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by DappaD: 5:17pm On Aug 30, 2020
solite3:
going by your logic if Son of God is not God, then son of man is not man right?

Apply sense nah grin
Going by own logic, so all the sons of God—angels(Genesis 6:2, Job 1:6, 38:7) are now the same as Jehovah God? grin grin
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 5:18pm On Aug 30, 2020
DappaD:


Me too, I'll only show you if you first answer my own question. grin
of course you cant defend your fraud.
so you have no proof that Jesus was michael before coming to earth but yet there is proof that Jesus was God before coming to earth.

grin

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Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 5:19pm On Aug 30, 2020
DappaD:


Apply sense nah grin
Going by own logic, so all the sons of God—angels(Genesis 6:2, Job 1:6, 38:7) are now the same as Jehovah God? grin grin
non of them is God begotten Son.

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Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 5:19pm On Aug 30, 2020
solite3:
going by your logic if Son of God is not God, then son of man is not man right?

Well the Bible said "you are Gods" Psalms 82:6
So God's sons are also Gods but there's nowhere in the scriptures where it is written

"Jesus is God" smiley
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 5:20pm On Aug 30, 2020
Maximus69:


Where is it WRITTEN in the scriptures

"Jesus is God" cheesy
If you refuse to answer my question neither will I answer yours.

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Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by DappaD: 5:20pm On Aug 30, 2020
solite3:
of course you cant defend your fraud.
so you have no proof that Jesus was michael before coming to earth but yet there is proof that Jesus was God before coming to earth.

grin

Of course you can't defend your own trinity fraud grin
So you have no Biblical proof that Jesus is the Almighty God yet there is resounding evidence from the scriptures that since Jesus is subject to his Father, Jehovah, he is the archangel Michael. wink

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