Maximus69:


Good so whether someone say "Jesus is Archangel Michael" or "Jesus is God"
It's like you don't feel any difference shey?

That means you have no business being here!

WizzyVine:


You're wrong.

The angels are morning stars indeed, but Jesus is the Bright Morning Star, and is the only One with that title. Not just a morning star as all angels are, but the Bright Morning Star.

Even Lucifer before his fall was referred to as the son of the morning. All angels are morning stars, but only Jesus is the Bright Morning Star.

Also, the word 'Messenger' as relating to the word 'Angel' isn't used for Jesus. Instead, the Bible uses another word to describe Him - 'Apostle' which could be found in Hebrews 3:1. And of course the word 'Apostle also means Messenger' or 'the sent one.' No angel was ever called an apostle.

Also note that in Revelation 22:16, Jesus was speaking to John, and said 'I Jesus have sent my angel..." If an angel belongs to Jesus such that He could refer to that angel using a possessive noun 'My angel.' Jesus couldn't then have been an angel. An angel cannot own an angel.

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s5/images/MuttleyLaffDrinkRollEye.gif[/img]
You must be a closet clown or court jester
Were you expecting an old born baby with sprouted 32 teeth ni?

God followed all due processes and fulfilled all righteousness, in that way, of coming through the door and so legally entering, as a new born baby

Maximus69:
Aye!

WizzyVine:


Did you hear me say we can rub minds together to learn scriptures from other's perspective? Okay, you thrive on divisionalism and doctrinal contentions. Your own iron does not sharpen other irons but seek to hurt them.

If I have no business being here to share the Word of God with fellow Christians, be the first to kick me out.

haddeylium:


For me to understand you...
Give answers to these

(Heb1;9)You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you[b] above your companions[/b] by anointing you with the oil of joy."


Who is Jesus' God?
Who are his companion that God annoited him above?
Why the need to be anointed?
Give ur answers and we move

Maximus69:


Isaiah didn't say "the child will become" but "he will be called"

MuttleyLaff:
This no nondescript, run of the mill ordinary and natural human child

[img]https://s1/images/stirringMuttleylaff.gif[/img]
Have you a problem with this?

It actually is the other way round. It isn't "human become divine" but instead its "divinity/divine become humanity/humane"
It is for this very reason because of doubters, scoffers, mockers, detractors, belittlers, slanderers et cetera that Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ used the profound title "Son of man" as a means of making a statement of fact

WizzyVine:


I have answered these questions many times today. Read my mentions but let me drop a scripture here for you:


Romans 9:4-5

King James

Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.


New Living Translation

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen"

Christian Standard Bible

The ancestors are theirs, and from them, by physical descent, came the Christ, who is God over all, praised forever. Amen.

New International Version

"Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen."

Now answer your questions for yourself.

When Jesus said "I and my Father are one", what did you think He meant?

You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free

Maximus69:


It's a free world but don't come saying you're neutral when you don't agree with the simple thing found in God's word

Jesus is God's only begotten Son! John 3:16

That's exactly what Peter said when Jesus ask who do say i am? {Matthew 16:13-16} Jesus blessed Peter for that response {Matthew 16:17-20}

So Jehovah's Witnesses globally will keep that one as our own share! John 3:17-18

Blabbermouth:

What difference does it make?
We call God "God" because he is "God".
We call a king " king" because he is/has become a king
Summary: You cannot be called what you are not.

WizzyVine:


Hahaha, if everyone is keeping just one verse of scripture, what type of Christianity will that be?

The Bible says, no scripture is of private interpretation, 1Peter 1:20. We know that scriptures interpret scripture.

Jesus is indeed the Son of God. But He also said "I and my Father are one." He told Philip in John 14, "Whosoever has seen me has seen Father." One scripture explains this further: Romans 9:4-5.

King James

Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.



New Living Translation

"Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen"

Christian Standard Bible

"The ancestors are theirs, and from them, by physical descent, came the Christ, who is God over all, praised forever. Amen."

New International Version

"Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen."


You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free

Maximus69:


You're right but a man is not called by the title "KING" until he is enthroned!

So Jesus was never at any point in time being:-

© Son ~ make Child given to humans!
© Rulership ~ amongst humans!
© Wonderful Counselor ~ on planet earth!
© Mighty God ~ on planet earth!
© Everlasting Father ~ of any race!
© Prince of Peace ~ in any City!

He will be called by all these titles after his human experience on planet earth!

Maximus69:


We are 100% satisfied with the type of Christianity we have as Jehovah's Witnesses!

solite3:

Going by your logic, Jesus was never the son of God until his human life?

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s5/images/MuttleyLaffDrinkRollEye.gif[/img]
You must be a closet clown or court jester
Were you expecting an old born baby with sprouted 32 teeth ni?

God followed all due processes and fulfilled all righteousness, in that way, of coming through the door and so legally entering, as a new born baby

WizzyVine:


Chai! The truth does not move you because you are bound by religion. To me, only the truth matters, not denominationalism. All denominations shall perish but the Truth abides forever.

I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father but by me

Only the truth makes free, not a type of Christianity or a type of church.

You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.

Maximus69:


You're right but a man is not called by the title "KING" until he is enthroned!

So Jesus was never at any point in time being:-

© Son ~ make Child given to humans!
© Rulership ~ amongst humans!
© Wonderful Counselor ~ on planet earth!
© Mighty God ~ on planet earth!
© Everlasting Father ~ of any race!
© Prince of Peace ~ in any City!

He will be called by all these titles after his human experience on planet earth!

MuttleyLaff:
"For a Child is born to us, a Son is given to us.
The government will rest on His shoulders. And He will be called:
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace"
- Isaiah 9:6

Two answers for the price of one

Blabbermouth:
A child. A human child i.e. Baby Jesus.

Baby Jesus WILL become Wonderful counselor, Mighty God......... That's a human become divine.

MuttleyLaff:
This no nondescript, run of the mill ordinary and natural human child

[img]https://s1/images/stirringMuttleylaff.gif[/img]
Have you a problem with this?

It actually is the other way round. It isn't "human become divine" but instead its "divinity/divine become humanity/humane"
It is for this very reason because of doubters, scoffers, mockers, detractors, belittlers, slanderers et cetera that Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ used the profound title "Son of man" as a means of making a statement of fact

Blabbermouth:
LMAO. Shadowboxing at its best. The scripture you gave did not claim so, don't force preconceived notion into a scripture.

MuttleyLaff:

I wonder why the scripture Isaiah 9:6, will have the Baby called "... Mighty God, Everlasting Father, ..." , if the Baby wasn't already "... Mighty God, Everlasting Father, ..." that the scripture Isaiah 9:6, instructs that Baby will be called. Hmm?

££££
Sometimes, I get the feeling that you think the grey matter (i.e. intelligence) inside your head is placed there, just to serve as an ornament, to decorate the inside of lllyour head with. Why you prefer to waste away that powerfully built processing functional gift of God, He blessed you with and subject it to self inflicted underutilization beats me. Kilode?

All you're best at doing is blabbering blabbermouth upandan the forum. No offence intended, and so none should be taken

Maximus69:


Jehovah's Witnesses are no part of unorganized religionsists who don't have any standard nor principle {Matthew 7:23} so we are pleased to be separated from all of you! John 17:14 compare to Revelations 18:4

Blabbermouth:

If that was God Almighty on the cross, if I were Angel Michael (whether I was ordered to or not), I will break the bones of every one after the crucification... I speak as a man.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Seriously now, do you believe God Almighty became sin? For such was said of the person who died on the cross.

Blabbermouth:

Yeah, I know we are all not going to spend our eternity in "Heaven".... It's going to be the " new earth"...
That doesn't take anything away though, Christ is whatever He is called.

Blabbermouth:
If that was God Almighty on the cross, if I were Angel Michael (whether I was ordered to or not), I will break the bones of every one after the crucification... I speak as a man.

Blabbermouth:
Seriously now, do you believe God Almighty became sin? For such was said of the person who died on the cross.

WizzyVine:


Jesus prayed in John 17:21, "That they may be one as we are one." If a group separates itself, causing schism in the body, then, that group is not a member of the body of Christ. We probably don't believe in the same Jesus. And of course, I hear that your own Jesus is Michael the archangel. My own Jesus is the incarnate Word that was with the Father, who became flesh, was crucified and resurrected the third day. The Jesus who'll return to put an end to darkness and set up everlasting righteousness.

Maximus69:


@ bolded, We are proud of our Master, Lord and King Jesus Christ (glorified Michael)

Thanks for sharing your time with us, we are OK with our faith, God bless you!

MuttleyLaff:
Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, purposely came for such a moment like that (i.e. Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34, but only, if you relearn, how to correctly interpret them verses of the seven last words of a Man on the cross, going the way of the flesh

I already knew that was flesh, your carnal man speaking and not your spirit man

Of course, seriously, I know and believe God Almighty became sin. Yeah! Yup, for such was said of the Person who died on the cross. That Person was the Lamb of God, slain from the foundation of the world, but who circa 4000 years ago, took away the sins of the world! (i.e. Revelation 13:8 and John 1:29)

I hinted and nudged you that there's a method in all the madness, didnt I

Maximus69:


Isaiah said a Son is given to us (humans) a child is born to us (humans).
That's why Jesus keep referring to himself as the "Son of Man"! Matthew 20:28
So Jesus has never been a human child all his life until he was transformed into the womb of Mary!

Maximus69:


You're right but a man is not called by the title "KING" until he is enthroned!

So Jesus was never at any point in time being:-

© Son ~ make Child given to humans!
© Rulership ~ amongst humans!
© Wonderful Counselor ~ on planet earth!
© Mighty God ~ on planet earth!
© Everlasting Father ~ of any race!
© Prince of Peace ~ in any City!

He will be called by all these titles after his human experience on planet earth!

Solite3
Going by your logic, Jesus was never the son of God until his human life?

Acehart:


Yes, the verse you highlighted showed two distinct individuals receiving the same one-honor. You have spoken well, Two individuals- The one who sits on the throne AND The Lamb; I’d like to assume that the former, the undistinguished one, is The Father.

why then do you say Christ Jesus isn’t deity?

Then, you have said that there is nowhere in the scriptures where Jesus is referred to as “The One”; this is “true”; I’d like to ask you if there is anywhere in the scriptures where the Father is referred to as “The One”? (Please note the word “Father” is a New Testament concept)

The Jews have always known that the One Jehovah, is plural; hence their fury at Jesus’ claim to be one of the conglomerate.

Why did Stephen pray to the Son? If Stephen’s testimony is true, why shouldn’t we accept that the Son of Man stands in the place of God? Why did he describe this Son of Man as the Glory of God - the one who spoke to Moses in the bush - Moses’ coming prophet - the Righteous one the prophet’s spoke of - the one whom he prayed to?

Isaiah said to Jerusalem “Behold your God will come...like a shepherd” -He said this referring to Christ Jesus. Christ Jesus has always made it clear to all around him that He is not alone, and thought no robbery to ascribe the Godhead to himself alone (Philli. 2:6).

Blabbermouth:
Maybe we should sue Isaiah for using the word "WILL".

Blabbermouth:
Sweetest heart, It's no issue if you abuse me.

WizzyVine:


I have answered these questions many times today. Read my mentions but let me drop a scripture here for you:


Romans 9:4-5

King James

Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.


New Living Translation

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen"

Christian Standard Bible

The ancestors are theirs, and from them, by physical descent, came the Christ, who is God over all, praised forever. Amen.

New International Version

"Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen."

Now answer your questions for yourself.

When Jesus said "I and my Father are one", what did you think He meant?

You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free