sesan85:


Ogie is your language, not Oba. Oba is Yoruba.

Olu, alafin, deji, ooni is your title not oba

Oba is benin

Ogie means =duke, royalty

Dont equate ogie as king

Oba is king

sesan85:


Oga swerve! The same Benin people who wants to steal Ogun, Eshu, Osun, Olokun, Ishango (Shango). Who takes you people serious.

Me

sesan85:


But I thought you vowed not to reply me again? Couldn't resist, huh. Fraudulent revisionists like Erediauwa who had to wait for Egharevba's death in the 80s before falsifying history about some fictitious Ekala-whatever! Greet your Yoruba descended king Ewuare II for me, "Abieyuwa N' Ovbi Odua N'uhe."

What site did you get the bolded fron please share the link

Keraxes:

Oloriburuku generation from olofo didan lineage. Weaklings

Oni ra nu.. slave generation.. weakling tribe.

BornRicch:


Oni ra nu.. slave generation.. weakling tribe.

Calling them weakling they pain them enter bone, the more you call them the more they avoid you....

BornRicch:


Oni ra nu.. slave generation.. weakling tribe.

Oloriburuku omo from ugly useless oba of Benin lineage

gregyboy:



Calling them weakling they pain them enter bone, the more you call them the more they avoid you....

Another wretched olofo from ugly weak Oloribu oba of Benin lineage

Keraxes:

Another wretched olofo from ugly weak Oloribu oba of Benin lineage

Lol....... Ask you brothers you dont want to mess with a guy like me,


I will leave you to him....

gregyboy:




Dont mind them, on that very particular thread i knew that most people don't even know history but they rosh to comment most of them dont even know benin were the first to come in contact with the Europeans in nigeria

Etinosa1234 almost sent the yorubas to their early Graves the way he did to Tao,

I hope they will learn and not Harbour hatred towards the binis

You are spoiling for it again abi? Don't cry when Tao11/TAO12 give it to u sha.

gomojam:
You are spoiling for it again abi? Don't cry when Tao11/TAO12 give it to u sha.

Lol, if truth is to be said, this statement will get u a banned for 600yrs on nairaland

I decided not to call her not soil the thread like mad woman, if you know i dont fear tagging her, i just dont want to soil the thread and she also has been complaining lately i can letgo her moniker that am attached to it, so i decided to free her henceforth on the tagging


Since you insist once again to sacrifice her head i will help you tao11 come in here, Etinosa1234 awaits your head, your brothers sacrifice your head to him once again not me

Come in to tell us how lagos was peacefully infiltrated by benins


At the end of it all i hope you dont commit suicide knowing fully aware your brothers sacrificed your head to always appease the bins for their selfish interests

gregyboy:



Lol, if truth is to be said, this statement will get u a banned for 600yrs on nairaland

I decided not to call her not soil the thread like mad woman, if you know i dont fear tagging her, i just dont want to soil the thread and she also has been complaining lately i can letgo her moniker that am attached to it, so i decided to free her henceforth on the tagging


Since you insist once again to sacrifice her head i will help you tao11 come in here, Etinosa1234 awaits your head, your brothers sacrifice your head to him once again not me

Come in to tell us how lagos was peacefully infiltrated by benins


At the end of it all i hope you dont commit suicide knowing fully aware your brothers sacrificed your head to always appease the bins for their selfish interests

CLOWN.

gregyboy:



What site did you get the bolded fron please share the link

It's part of the praise names of your Oba. Your Oba is even called "Ikeji Orisha." How would you know this when you've been fed ahistorical cockamamies about your history. Your Oba is "the son of the great Odua of Ife," not Ekala-whatever!

gregyboy:



Olu, alafin, deji, ooni is your title not oba

Oba is benin

Ogie means =duke, royalty

Dont equate ogie as king

Oba is king

Monumental ignoramus. Oba is a generic name for all Yorubas Kings. Olu, Alaafin, Deji, Ooni are all titles. Even the Oba of Lagos is Eleko, you dumbass!

Keraxes:

Oloriburuku omo from ugly useless oba of Benin lineage

Slave tribe... weakling tribe...

gregyboy:
Olu, alafin, deji, ooni is your title not oba

Oba is benin

Ogie means =duke, royalty

Dont equate ogie as king

Oba is king

First of all, Oba is simply a Yoruba common noun (and not a proper noun) and simply means “King”, etc.

Secondly, talking about “title” now (i.e. the proper noun):

The title for the Benin King is “Omo N’Oba” (not Oba — Oba is simply a common noun in Yoruba simply meaning King).

Omo n’Oba which is your King’s’s title simply means: the child of the king; or as you all love to twist it: the child that shines $9@&£€ .
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.
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Having said that, it is an open secret that you’re scared of me. Everyone on Nairaland knows that.

I single-handedly suffocated the whole of Benin Kingdom on Nairaland with my two hands.

Doesn’t that not tell you who the super weaklings are??

Having said that, “Oba” has no monarch-related meaning in Edo language.

The word for “King” in your language is “Ogie”, as seen in the word “Ogiso” from the phrase “Ogie-Iso” — “KING from the SKY”.

I triple-dare any Edo/Bini here to break down the word “Oba” into its component part and then inform us syllable-by-syllable how each component come together to produce the word “King” or any of its equivalent — This is like asking you people to bring forward a married bachelor. It is simply impossible to do.

Here is a link to a destructive finishing I gave Benin Kingdom a day ago:

https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/55#93639393

cc: Keraxes, sesan85, gomojam

gregyboy:
Olu, alafin, deji, ooni is your title not oba

Oba is benin

Ogie means =duke, royalty

Dont equate ogie as king

Oba is king

The only reason why “Oba” has no meaning in Edo language is simple because it is an alien term to Edo language — It was introduced from the Yoruba language.

To buttress this: Just a week or two weeks ago in Benin Palace, a Chief was seen on video praising the Oba of Benin in Edo eulogies.

And guess what, one of the praises with which he showered him was:

Ovbi’ Oba n’Uhe — meaning: “the son of the Oba at Ife”.

This praise is simply telling you that since the time of Oduduwa whom your people fraudulently call Izoduwa) (that is before Oranmiyan himself) your people already recognize that there was Oba in Yorubaland prior to the beginning of Oba dynasty in Benin.

This is coming from your own palace (in the presence of your Oba who was obviously pleased with the praise) just barely two weeks ago.

Do you want to see the video yourself??

cc: Keraxes, sesan85, gomojam

BornRicch:


Slave tribe... weakling tribe...

Ugly fool. Omo mashanfani from ugly foolish oba of Benin lineage

gregyboy:



Lol....... Ask you brothers you dont want to mess with a guy like me,


I will leave you to him....

Says a wretched foolish useless senseless cultist from ugly foolish smelly oba of Benin worthless lineage

TAO11:
The only reason why “Oba” has no meaning in Edo language is simple because it is an alien term to Edo language — It was introduced from the Yoruba language.

To buttress this: Just a week or two weeks ago in Benin Palace, a Chief was seen on video praising the Oba of Benin in Edo eulogies.

And guess what, one of the praises with which he showered him was:

Ovbi’ Oba n’Uhe — meaning: “the son of the Oba at Ife”.

This praise is simply telling you that since the time of Oduduwa whom your people fraudulently call Izoduwa) (that is before Oranmiyan himself) your people already recognize that there was Oba in Yorubaland prior to the beginning of Oba dynasty in Benin.

This is coming from your own palace (in the presence of your Oba who was obviously pleased with the praise) just barely two weeks ago.

Do you want to see the video yourself??

cc: Keraxes, sesan85, gomojam

Can you tell me were you saw the statement

Ovbi oba n uhe

Please shsre the link you fraudster lol

TAO11:
The only reason why “Oba” has no meaning in Edo language is simple because it is an alien term to Edo language — It was introduced from the Yoruba language.

To buttress this: Just a week or two weeks ago in Benin Palace, a Chief was seen on video praising the Oba of Benin in Edo eulogies.

And guess what, one of the praises with which he showered him was:

Ovbi’ Oba n’Uhe — meaning: “the son of the Oba at Ife”.

This praise is simply telling you that since the time of Oduduwa whom your people fraudulently call Izoduwa) (that is before Oranmiyan himself) your people already recognize that there was Oba in Yorubaland prior to the beginning of Oba dynasty in Benin.

This is coming from your own palace (in the presence of your Oba who was obviously pleased with the praise) just barely two weeks ago.

Do you want to see the video yourself??

cc: Keraxes, sesan85, gomojam

I want to see the video

And i want to see were they equated ife as uhe

TAO11:
The only reason why “Oba” has no meaning in Edo language is simple because it is an alien term to Edo language — It was introduced from the Yoruba language.

To buttress this: Just a week or two weeks ago in Benin Palace, a Chief was seen on video praising the Oba of Benin in Edo eulogies.

And guess what, one of the praises with which he showered him was:

Ovbi’ Oba n’Uhe — meaning: “the son of the Oba at Ife”.

This praise is simply telling you that since the time of Oduduwa whom your people fraudulently call Izoduwa) (that is before Oranmiyan himself) your people already recognize that there was Oba in Yorubaland prior to the beginning of Oba dynasty in Benin.

This is coming from your own palace (in the presence of your Oba who was obviously pleased with the praise) just barely two weeks ago.

Do you want to see the video yourself??

cc: Keraxes, sesan85, gomojam

The name ile binu was given by itskeri not oromiyan, a mythical guy from ife, the Portuguese and other European traded with benins for 400yrs and some died at ughoton, some ethnographers even visited the palace and the oba allowed them visit his ancestoral shrines, the Europeans were eager to write and document benin history to sell to their country men and as a matter of fact ethnographers who visted benin 1820 documented that the origin of the dynasty originated when a white god came to sleep with the ogiso daughter who later gave birth to a son who birthed the oba dynasty non mentioned oromiyan or ife relationship with benin over their 400yrs visit to benin angry,
as a matter of fact the itsekiri were the first to meet the Portuguese at the shores of ughoton who later informed them not to venture into edo as the people were always angry, and used alot of human sacrifice if strangers there approached it

Please if you have not read several articles or books on benin history dont open your dirty mouth because you read just an article promoting a benin-ife myth you feel you now have a right to have a say, on this discussion

TAO11:
First of all, Oba is simply a Yoruba common noun (and not a proper noun) and it which simply means “King”, etc.

Secondly, talking about “title” (i.e. the proper noun); the title for the Benin King is “Omo N’Oba” simply meaning: the child of the king; or as you all love to twist it: the child that shines $9@&£€ .
.
.
.
Having said that, it is an open secret that you’re scared of me. Everyone on Nairaland knows that.

I single-handedly suffocated the whole of Benin Kingdom on Nairaland with my two hands.

Doesn’t that not tell you who the super weaklings are??

Having said that, “Oba” has no monarch-related meaning in Edo language.

The word for “King” in your language is “Ogie”, as seen in the word “Ogiso” from the phrase “Ogie-Iso” — “KING from the SKY”.

I triple-dare any Edo/Bini here to break down the word “Oba” into its component part and then inform us syllable-by-syllable how each component come together to produce the word “King” or any of its equivalent — This is like asking you people to bring forward a married bachelor. It is simply impossible to do.

Here is a link to a destructive finishing I gave Benin Kingdom a day ago:

https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/55#93639393

cc: Keraxes, sesan85, gomojam

The name ile binu was given by itskeri not oromiyan, a mythical guy from ife, the Portuguese and other European traded with benins for 400yrs and some died at ughoton, some ethnographers even visited the palace and the oba allowed them visit his ancestoral shrines, the Europeans were eager to write and document benin history to sell to their country men and as a matter of fact ethnographers who visted benin 1820 documented that the origin of the dynasty originated when a white god came to sleep with the ogiso daughter who later gave birth to a son who birthed the oba dynasty non mentioned oromiyan or ife relationship with benin over their 400yrs visit to benin angry,
as a matter of fact the itsekiri were the first to meet the Portuguese at the shores of ughoton who later informed them not to venture into edo as the people were always angry, and used alot of human sacrifice if strangers there approached it

Please if you have not read several articles or books on benin history dont open your dirty mouth because you read just an article promoting a benin-ife myth you feel you now have a right to have a say, on this discussion

sesan85:


Monumental ignoramus. Oba is a generic name for all Yorubas Kings. Olu, Alaafin, Deji, Ooni are all titles. Even the Oba of Lagos is Eleko, you dumbass!

The name ile binu was given by itskeri not oromiyan, a mythical guy from ife, the Portuguese and other European traded with benins for 400yrs and some died at ughoton, some ethnographers even visited the palace and the oba allowed them visit his ancestoral shrines, the Europeans were eager to write and document benin history to sell to their country men and as a matter of fact ethnographers who visted benin 1820 documented that the origin of the dynasty originated when a white god came to sleep with the ogiso daughter who later gave birth to a son who birthed the oba dynasty non mentioned oromiyan or ife relationship with benin over their 400yrs visit to benin angry,
as a matter of fact the itsekiri were the first to meet the Portuguese at the shores of ughoton who later informed them not to venture into edo as the people were always angry, and used alot of human sacrifice if strangers there approached it

Please if you have not read several articles or books on benin history dont open your dirty mouth because you read just an article promoting a benin-ife myth you feel you now have a right to have a say, on this discussion

gregyboy:
Can you tell me were you saw the statement

Ovbi oba n uhe

Please shsre the link you fraudster lol

I already told you where I saw it. Your eyes seem to be covered in tears.

I will repeat where I saw it again so you can cry harder:

It is in a video recorded last week or thereabout from your Benin Palace where one of the Chiefs is seen chanting the praise poetry (oríkì in Yoruba) of your Oba in his presence.

Yes, he called his progenitor as “Oba n’Uhe” — Oba at Ife.

I am asking for the second time, do you want to see the video yourself so you can drown in your own tears?? $&@*^%#€

cc: Keraxes, gomojam, sesan85

TAO11:
First of all, Oba is simply a Yoruba common noun (and not a proper noun) and it which simply means “King”, etc.

Secondly, talking about “title” (i.e. the proper noun); the title for the Benin King is “Omo N’Oba” simply meaning: the child of the king; or as you all love to twist it: the child that shines $9@&£€ .
.
.
.
Having said that, it is an open secret that you’re scared of me. Everyone on Nairaland knows that.

I single-handedly suffocated the whole of Benin Kingdom on Nairaland with my two hands.

Doesn’t that not tell you who the super weaklings are??

Having said that, “Oba” has no monarch-related meaning in Edo language.

The word for “King” in your language is “Ogie”, as seen in the word “Ogiso” from the phrase “Ogie-Iso” — “KING from the SKY”.

I triple-dare any Edo/Bini here to break down the word “Oba” into its component part and then inform us syllable-by-syllable how each component come together to produce the word “King” or any of its equivalent — This is like asking you people to bring forward a married bachelor. It is simply impossible to do.

Here is a link to a destructive finishing I gave Benin Kingdom a day ago:

https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/55#93639393

cc: Keraxes, sesan85, gomojam

Their heart would be beating so fast now as they click the link


macof, BabaRamota1980, LegendHero tao11


If the kinglist of benin in 1897 and 1901 excluded oromiyan in its list

Why did in 1924 Talbot included oromiyan as a ruler in the kinglist same as egharevba, if indeed the reasons the first earliest two didn't add oromiyan was because he never ruled, so why did talbot add him still

Because as far as i can see 1914 had passed so probably it was altered to include oromiyan for ethnic favour by the benins....

We also saw that in 1903, it was eweka that was sent from ife to benin, this was the very first origin and the beginning of the distortion on benin history

The qoute.... Eweka was sent from Ife to rule benin and when he came to the city he oppressed the weak, took their wives and if any man be too strong for him he makes a truce with him

This very first quote never included oromiyan coming to benin like Tao11 always masturbate on With her love for oromiyan tales

I believe after some years before 1924, some cultural supiority qualms erupted between alafin and ooni, so there was a need for the ooni to include him in the moonlight tales of oduduwa genealogy rewriting 1903
Statement to accompany alafin of oyo as second to oduduwa throne, thereby by bringing the story
of oromiyan from ife to the already benin-myth of 1903 to form a brotherly connection


Note for my ayelala post earlier.....

Aye means the name of the idol and lala means, sounding or warnings

Let our yoruba Brothers masturbate on this

Tao11 i want your neck on this post and make your answer short or i will call Etinosa or vali for you

TAO11:
I already told you where I saw it. Your eyes seem to be covered in tears.

I will repeat where I saw it again so you can cry harder:

It is in a video recorded last week or thereabout from your Benin Palace where one of the Chiefs is seen chanting the praise poetry (oríkì in Yoruba) of your Oba in his presence.

Yes, he called his progenitor as “Oba n’Uhe” — Oba at Ife.

I am asking for the second time, do you want to see the video yourself so you can drown in your own tears?? $&@*^%#€

cc: Keraxes, gomojam, sesan85

Their heart would be beating so fast now as they click the link


macof, BabaRamota1980, LegendHero tao11


If the kinglist of benin in 1897 and 1901 excluded oromiyan in its list

Why did in 1924 Talbot included oromiyan as a ruler in the kinglist same as egharevba, if indeed the reasons the first earliest two didn't add oromiyan was because he never ruled, so why did talbot add him still

Because as far as i can see 1914 had passed so probably it was altered to include oromiyan for ethnic favour by the benins....

We also saw that in 1903, it was eweka that was sent from ife to benin, this was the very first origin and the beginning of the distortion on benin history

The qoute.... Eweka was sent from Ife to rule benin and when he came to the city he oppressed the weak, took their wives and if any man be too strong for him he makes a truce with him

This very first quote never included oromiyan coming to benin like Tao11 always masturbate on With her love for oromiyan tales

I believe after some years before 1924, some cultural supiority qualms erupted between alafin and ooni, so there was a need for the ooni to include him in the moonlight tales of oduduwa genealogy rewriting 1903
Statement to accompany alafin of oyo as second to oduduwa throne, thereby by bringing the story
of oromiyan from ife to the already benin-myth of 1903 to form a brotherly connection


Note for my ayelala post earlier.....

Aye means the name of the idol and lala means, sounding or warnings

Let our yoruba Brothers masturbate on this

Tao11 i want your neck on this post and make your answer short or i will call Etinosa or vali for you

gregyboy:




Their heart would be beating so fast now as they click the link


macof, BabaRamota1980, LegendHero tao11


If the kinglist of benin in 1897 and 1901 excluded oromiyan in its list

Why did in 1924 Talbot included oromiyan as a ruler in the kinglist same as egharevba, if indeed the reasons the first earliest two didn't add oromiyan was because he never ruled, so why did talbot add him still

Because as far as i can see 1914 had passed so probably it was altered to include oromiyan for ethnic favour by the benins....

We also saw that in 1903, it was eweka that was sent from ife to benin, this was the very first origin and the beginning of the distortion on benin history

The qoute.... Eweka was sent from Ife to rule benin and when he came to the city he oppressed the weak, took their wives and if any man be too strong for him he makes a truce with him

This very first quote never included oromiyan coming to benin like Tao11 always masturbate on With her love for oromiyan tales

I believe after some years before 1924, some cultural supiority qualms erupted between alafin and ooni, so there was a need for the ooni to include him in the moonlight tales of oduduwa genealogy rewriting 1903
Statement to accompany alafin of oyo as second to oduduwa throne, thereby by bringing the story
of oromiyan from ife to the already benin-myth of 1903 to form a brotherly connection


Note for my ayelala post earlier.....

Aye means the name of the idol and lala means, sounding or warnings

Let our yoruba Brothers masturbate on this

Tao11 i want your neck on this post and make your answer short or i will call Etinosa or vali for you

(1) First of all, extant Yoruba accounts and Benin accounts hold that Oranmiyan did not get to be coronated as Oba in Benin, although that was the original agreement all along.

While most of the Edo elders, who of course invited him to Benin (then Ado), supported that he should reign as King, a handful of the elders were non-cooperating.

The resistance from this pocket of resisting elders appears sufficient to frustrate and dispirit the original agreement and plans.

He ultimately left Ado, but his son born to him by one of their ladies was subsequently coronated as the first Oba. This is, however, not without some commitment and side conditions to appease the disgruntled elders.

Thus did Eweka 1 (his son) become the first Oba of Benin. This is the standard and extant traditional account from both the Yoruba side and the Benin side.

It is only relatively recently that the Binis began to confuse themselves and others. They can not even agree among themselves till date on who their first Oba was between Oranmiyan and his son (Eweka 1).

This muddling and conflation played out publicly quite recently during the coronation of the reigning Benin King when he publicly announced himself as the 40th Oba even though his immediate predecessor was the 38th.

So, your question of why the later Benin king-lists (such as the one collected by Talbot in Benin, or the one collected by Egharevba from an Esekhurhe priest) now has Oranmiyan as the first Oba is a question that you must direct to yourself and the Bini informants, not to others that are not Binis.

It appears very obvious that confusion is an early Bini thing.

It is not surprising then that the earliest known Benin king-list collected by Captain Ernest Roupell in 1897-8 has Eweka 1 has the first Oba of Benin. This is in perfect agreement with extant Yoruba traditional accounts and extant Benin traditional accounts.

Refer to S. A. Akintoye, “A History of the Yoruba People”, 2010, Amalion Publishing, p.117 for a summary of this extant Benin and Yoruba traditional accounts.

(2) Refer to the following link for a refutation of the other dumb ‘arguments’ of this Edo dullard:

https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/55#93639393

gregyboy:



Their heart would be beating so fast now as they click the link


macof, BabaRamota1980, LegendHero tao11


If the kinglist of benin in 1897 and 1901 excluded oromiyan in its list

Why did in 1924 Talbot included oromiyan as a ruler in the kinglist same as egharevba, if indeed the reasons the first earliest two didn't add oromiyan was because he never ruled, so why did talbot add him still

Because as far as i can see 1914 had passed so probably it was altered to include oromiyan for ethnic favour by the benins....

We also saw that in 1903, it was eweka that was sent from ife to benin, this was the very first origin and the beginning of the distortion on benin history

The qoute.... Eweka was sent from Ife to rule benin and when he came to the city he oppressed the weak, took their wives and if any man be too strong for him he makes a truce with him

This very first quote never included oromiyan coming to benin like Tao11 always masturbate on With her love for oromiyan tales

I believe after some years before 1924, some cultural supiority qualms erupted between alafin and ooni, so there was a need for the ooni to include him in the moonlight tales of oduduwa genealogy rewriting 1903
Statement to accompany alafin of oyo as second to oduduwa throne, thereby by bringing the story
of oromiyan from ife to the already benin-myth of 1903 to form a brotherly connection


Note for my ayelala post earlier.....

Aye means the name of the idol and lala means, sounding or warnings

Let our yoruba Brothers masturbate on this

Tao11 i want your neck on this post and make your answer short or i will call Etinosa or vali for you

(1) First of all, extant Yoruba accounts and Benin accounts hold that Oranmiyan did not get to be coronated as Oba in Benin, although that was the original agreement all along.

While most of the Edo elders, who of course invited him to Benin (then Ado), supported that he should reign as King, a handful of the elders were non-cooperating.

The resistance from this pocket of resisting elders appears sufficient to frustrate and dispirit the original agreement and plans.

He ultimately left Ado, but his son born to him by one of their ladies was subsequently coronated as the first Oba. This is, however, not without some commitment and side conditions to appease the disgruntled elders.

Thus did Eweka 1 (his son) become the first Oba of Benin. This is the standard and extant traditional account from both the Yoruba side and the Benin side.

It is only relatively recently that the Binis began to confuse themselves and others. They can not even agree among themselves till date on who their first Oba was between Oranmiyan and his son (Eweka 1).

This muddling and conflation played out publicly quite recently during the coronation of the reigning Benin King when he publicly announced himself as the 40th Oba even though his immediate predecessor was the 38th.

So, your question of why the later Benin king-lists (such as the one collected by Talbot in Benin, or the one collected by Egharevba from an Esekhurhe priest) now has Oranmiyan as the first Oba is a question that you must direct to yourself and the Bini informants, not to others that are not Binis.

It appears very obvious that confusion is an early Bini thing.

It is not surprising then that the earliest known Benin king-list collected by Captain Ernest Roupell in 1897-8 has Eweka 1 has the first Oba of Benin. This is in perfect agreement with extant Yoruba traditional accounts and extant Benin traditional accounts.

Refer to S. A. Akintoye, “A History of the Yoruba People”, 2010, Amalion Publishing, p.117 for a summary of this extant Benin and Yoruba traditional accounts.

(2) Refer to the following link for a refutation of the other dumb ‘arguments’ of this Edo dullard:

https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/55#93639393

We are afar apart from the last century were info was limited to only the few, so any information passed could be easily accepted

After doing my research i found out that some European had criticize the benin ife mythical connection even before the 60s, but this information couldn't surface to counter the myth because it was not easily accessible and even some elite like benin historian who came across this materials shunned it down because they are one of the back bones that promotes the myth for their own benefits

Its a fact that some people will always control the information we hear and see even in this modern times, but atleast lets learn to listen to the people who are not fooled


The benin-ife myth shouldn't stand anymore we have long past the late century that anything could go
The yorubas are interfering with our history and they should backoff,
If they want to attach themselves with our history they should come through the front door and not the backdoor......

Our oba is a fully blooded benin man since ancients times, we know when the ife myth started and how the benin enjoyed it, till it turned soared for us, when yorubas politically hijacked it and almost yorubanise our history for us and wanted to dump our king as a regular chief,until we resulted in a defensive attacks on their yorubanise agenda on our history


Gregyboy is here to tell the history the way it is,

TAO11:


(1) First of all, extant Yoruba accounts and Benin accounts hold that Oranmiyan did not get to be coronated as Oba in Benin, although that was the original agreement all along.

While most of the Edo elders, who of course invited him to Benin (then Ado), supported that he should reign as King, a handful of the elders were non-cooperating.

The resistance from this pocket of resisting elders appears sufficient to frustrate and dispirit the original agreement and plans.

He ultimately left Ado, but his son born to him by one of their ladies was subsequently coronated as the first Oba. This is, however, not without some commitment and side conditions to appease the disgruntled elders.

Thus did Eweka 1 (his son) become the first Oba of Benin. This is the standard and extant traditional account from both the Yoruba side and the Benin side.

It is only relatively recently that the Binis began to confuse themselves and others. They can not even agree among themselves till date on who their first Oba was between Oranmiyan and his son (Eweka 1).

This muddling and conflation played out publicly quite recently during the coronation of the reigning Benin King when he publicly announced himself as the 40th Oba even though his immediate predecessor was the 38th.

So, your question of why the later Benin king-lists (such as the one collected by Talbot in Benin, or the one collected by Egharevba from an Esekhurhe priest) now has Oranmiyan as the first Oba is a question that you must direct to yourself and the Bini informants, not to others that are not Binis.

It appears very obvious that confusion is an early Bini thing.

It is not surprising then that the earliest known Benin king-list collected by Captain Ernest Roupell in 1897-8 has Eweka 1 has the first Oba of Benin. This is in perfect agreement with extant Yoruba traditional accounts and extant Benin traditional accounts.

Refer to S. A. Akintoye, “A History of the Yoruba People”, 2010, Amalion Publishing, p.117 for a summary of this extant Benin and Yoruba traditional accounts.

(2) Refer to the following link for a refutation of the other dumb ‘arguments’ of this Edo dullard:

https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/55#93639393

We are afar apart from the last century were info was limited to only the few, so any information passed could be easily accepted

After doing my research i found out that some European had criticize the benin ife mythical connection even before the 60s, but this information couldn't surface to counter the myth because it was not easily accessible and even some elite like benin historian who came across this materials shunned it down because they are one of the back bones that promotes the myth for their own benefits

Its a fact that some people will always control the information we hear and see even in this modern times, but atleast lets learn to listen to the people who are not fooled


The benin-ife myth shouldn't stand anymore we have long past the late century that anything could go
The yorubas are interfering with our history and they should backoff,
If they want to attach themselves with our history they should come through the front door and not the backdoor......

Our oba is a fully blooded benin man since ancients times, we know when the ife myth started and how the benin enjoyed it, till it turned soared for us, when yorubas politically hijacked it and almost yorubanise our history for us and wanted to dump our king as a regular chief,until we resulted in a defensive attacks on their yorubanise agenda on our history


Gregyboy is here to tell the history the way it is,

gregyboy:
The name ile binu was given by itskeri not oromiyan, a mythical guy from ife, the Portuguese and other European traded with benins for 400yrs and some died at ughoton, some ethnographers even visited the palace and the oba allowed them visit his ancestoral shrines, the Europeans were eager to write and document benin history to sell to their country men and as a matter of fact ethnographers who visted benin 1820 documented that the origin of the dynasty originated when a white god came to sleep with the ogiso daughter who later gave birth to a son who birthed the oba dynasty non mentioned oromiyan or ife relationship with benin over their 400yrs visit to benin angry,
as a matter of fact the itsekiri were the first to meet the Portuguese at the shores of ughoton who later informed them not to venture into edo as the people were always angry, and used alot of human sacrifice if strangers there approached it

Please if you have not read several articles or books on benin history dont open your dirty mouth because you read just an article promoting a benin-ife myth you feel you now have a right to have a say, on this discussion

Thank you for admitting that it was only the Yorubas of your region (i.e. the Itsekiri) who dared call you by the derogatory name — Ile-Ibinu.

This proves again that the Benin account which claims Oranmiyan named the land is in fact true.

gregyboy:
The name ile binu was given by itskeri not oromiyan, a mythical guy from ife, the Portuguese and other European traded with benins for 400yrs and some died at ughoton, some ethnographers even visited the palace and the oba allowed them visit his ancestoral shrines, the Europeans were eager to write and document benin history to sell to their country men and as a matter of fact ethnographers who visted benin 1820 documented that the origin of the dynasty originated when a white god came to sleep with the ogiso daughter who later gave birth to a son who birthed the oba dynasty non mentioned oromiyan or ife relationship with benin over their 400yrs visit to benin angry,
as a matter of fact the itsekiri were the first to meet the Portuguese at the shores of ughoton who later informed them not to venture into edo as the people were always angry, and used alot of human sacrifice if strangers there approached it

Please if you have not read several articles or books on benin history dont open your dirty mouth because you read just an article promoting a benin-ife myth you feel you now have a right to have a say, on this discussion

Thank you for admitting that it was only the Yorubas of your region (i.e. the Itsekiri) who dared call you by the derogatory name — Ile-Ibinu.

This proves again that the Benin account which claims Oranmiyan named the land is in fact true.