Maximus69:


What exactly was the evil deeds of the rich man and what were the act of righteousness done by the Lazarus. So that everyone can learn from them?



What is the meaning of Hell and how close is it to Abraham's bosom?




Where was Abraham the time of the event?
Jesus was narrating this story as a past event yet Abraham has not been resurrected {John 5:28-29} so did Abraham do/say all these inside his grave?


Abraham never lived to know Moses yet he's saying to the rich man "your brothers who are still alive have Moses and the prophets" so what brought Moses and the prophets into the story, and which of Abraham's descendants was a beggar? Psalms 37:25



God condemned the act of burning people inside fire saying such horrible thought never came into his heart {Jeremiah 7:31, 19:5} so where is Adam presently since he's the first and foremost sinner who caused all these? Romans 5:12

Answers to these questions won't change your unbelief. The Scripture has overwhelming evidences to prove that hell fire exist. You claim Hell is the physical grave. Hell is not the physical grave. Let's look at a few Scripture and see how it will sound like replacing the word hell with grave.

1.The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.(Psalms 9:17).

If Hell is the physical grave, both the righteous and wicked people are buried there. But the Scripture says it's the wicked that goes there. Hell can therefore not be grave. How does it sound to say that the wicked shall be turned into grave? It sure doesn't make sense.

2.Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.(Proverbs 23:13-14).

Hear, the Bible says we should discipline our children so as to deliver their souls from hell. If hell is grave, the child will be buried in it whether you discipline him or not.

In addition it says that the soul may depart from it. Souls are not buried in the grave. Only lifeless bodies are buried in the grave.

3And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: (Mark 9:45).

Here the Bible says that the fire in hell is never quenched. Is there fire in the grave?

paxonel:
we know that Abraham bossom isn't heaven, Is Abraham bossom also real?
If yes, then why is it not popular as hell in the minds of people today?
Does it mean that people like to hear more about evil(hell) over good(Abraham bossom) ?

Just asking.

Abraham bosom no longer exist. They were released from there after Jesus rose from the dead.

Matthew 27:52-53
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

DappaD:


I'm saying provide scriptural evidence of such a “literal hellfire” and not hearsay and myths propounded by charlatans intended to scare/coerce people to submit to them.


My question is still waiting for you.

Can you tell me where Adam presently is right now?

Where did God say he will go and where is he now? Scriptures only please!

Scripture evidences of the existence of literal hell.

1. The Bible mentioned it several times. Below are some of the Scriptures.

2 Samuel 22:6 The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me.

If hell is not real, it won't be a sorrowful place.

2.Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget.

The Bible says it's a place where only the wicked and those who forget God goes to.

3.Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

The psalmist says hell is big enough to make a bed there. But he sure can't make a bed there because of the torment.

4. In the Parable of the wheat and tares, Jesus revealed what will happen to the wicked.

Matthew 13:24-30.
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Hear the interpretation

Matthew 13:37-43.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; note

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Jesus said that the tares are the children of the wicked one. He said they will be thrown into a furnace of fire. He even added that they will weep and gnashed their teeth. He didn't use the word hell here. He called it furnace of fire. If you don't still believe this, there is no redemption for you. I have many more evidences from the Scripture but let me stop here.

Ken4Christ:


Answers to these questions won't change your unbelief. The Scripture has overwhelming evidences to prove that hell fire exist. You claim Hell is the physical grave. Hell is not the physical grave. Let's look at a few Scripture and see how it will sound like replacing the word hell with grave.

1.The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.(Psalms 9:17).

If Hell is the physical grave, both the righteous and wicked people are buried there. But the Scripture says it's the wicked that goes there. Hell can therefore not be grave. How does it sound to say that the wicked shall be turned into grave? It sure doesn't make sense.

2.Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.(Proverbs 23:13-14).

Hear, the Bible says we should discipline our children so as to deliver their souls from hell. If hell is grave, the child will be buried in it whether you discipline him or not.

In addition it says that the soul may depart from it. Souls are not buried in the grave. Only lifeless bodies are buried in the grave.

3And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: (Mark 9:45).

Here the Bible says that the fire in hell is never quenched. Is there fire in the grave?

So it's just a Parable not a real life event!

Ken4Christ:


Scripture evidences of the existence of literal hell.

1. The Bible mentioned it several times. Below are some of the Scriptures.

2 Samuel 22:6 The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me.

If hell is not real, it won't be a sorrowful place.

2.Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget.

The Bible says it's a place where only the wicked and those who forget God goes to.

3.Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

The psalmist says hell is big enough to make a bed there. But he sure can't make a bed there because of the torment.

4. In the Parable of the wheat and tares, Jesus revealed what will happen to the wicked.

Matthew 13:24-30.
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Hear the interpretation

Matthew 13:37-43.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; note

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Jesus said that the tares are the children of the wicked one. He said they will be thrown into a furnace of fire. He even added that they will weep and gnashed their teeth. He didn't use the word hell here. He called it furnace of fire. If you don't still believe this, there is no redemption for you. I have many more evidences from the Scripture but let me stop here.

Story upon story.
Simple question I asked you.

Can you tell me where Adam presently is right now?

Where did God say he will go? Is he in this mythical “hellfire” or somewhere else?

Ken4Christ:


Abraham bosom no longer exist. They were released from there after Jesus rose from the dead.

Matthew 27:52-53
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

ok

DappaD:


Story upon story.
Simple question I asked you.

Can you tell me where Adam presently is right now?

Where did God say he will go? Is he in this mythical “hellfire” or somewhere else?

Adams body returned to the dust but we are not told where his soul went to.

You can't use a few Scriptures to refute the fact that hell doesn't exist when there are scores of Scriptures to support it's existence.

Hell is not even the final destination for lost souls. Those in hell will eventually be released for final judgment and will be thrown into the Lake of fire which is worse than hell.

So, you had better give your life to Jesus and serve God faithfully before it is too late. God doesn't send people to hell. Your decision does.

Ken4Christ:


Adams body returned to the dust but we are not told where his soul went to.

Please what is the difference between “body” and “soul”?
Are they mutually exclusive terms?
Answer with scriptures please.

You can't use a few Scriptures to refute the fact that hell doesn't exist when there are scores of Scriptures to support it's existence.

Of course “hell” exists, but the Scriptures reveal it to be common grave of mankind where the dead remain inactive. Not a place of torment. —Ecclesiastes 9:10

Hell is not even the final destination for lost souls. Those in hell will eventually be released for final judgment and will be thrown into the Lake of fire which is worse than hell.

The same “hell” or “grave” is thrown into this lake of fire—Revelation 20:14.
Does it mean an abstract term such as “hell” can feel pain and will remain there suffering forever?

So, you had better give your life to Jesus and serve God faithfully before it is too late. God doesn't send people to hell. Your decision does.

E no go better for Satan wey blind all of una(2Corinthians 4:4)
...
See your tone of speech
“So I had better...”
Authoritative much?
Your god will send people to suffer torment forever in fire—something that irritates and disgusts him?—Jeremiah 7:31
Good and clear to know that your god is different from the One the Bible talks about—Jehovah the God of love (1John 4:8.)

DappaD:


Please what is the difference between “body” and “soul”?
Are they mutually exclusive terms?
Answer with scriptures please.



Of course “hell” exists, but the Scriptures reveal it to be common grave of mankind where the dead remain inactive. Not a place of torment. —Ecclesiastes 9:10


The same “hell” or “grave” is thrown into this lake of fire—Revelation 20:14.
Does it mean an abstract term such as “hell” can feel pain and will remain there suffering forever?



E no go better for Satan wey blind all of una(2Corinthians 4:4)
...
See your tone of speech
“So I had better...”
Authoritative much?
Your god will send people to suffer torment forever in fire—something that irritates and disgusts him?—Jeremiah 7:31
Good and clear to know that your god is different from the One the Bible talks about—Jehovah the God of love (1John 4:8.)

I want to take you on your submission that hell is common grave. Now answer this questions;

1. If hell is grave, why did the Bible says that it's a place of sorrow and pains?

2Sa 22:6 The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;

Psa 18:5 The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.

Psa 116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.

2. If hell is grave, why would Jesus said that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church?
-Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Does the physical grave have gates.

3. If hell is grave, why did Jesus said he has the keys of hell and death?

Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Does the physical grave have keys?

I am ready to learn but please answer these questions one by one. Tell me if you have seen people in sorrow inside the grave or in pain inside the grave. Tell me if the millions of graves have gates and keys that unlocks the gates.

Ken4Christ:


I want to take you on your submission that hell is common grave. Now answer this questions;

1. If hell is grave, why did the Bible says that it's a place of sorrow and pains?

2Sa 22:6 The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;

Psa 18:5 The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.

Psa 116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.

2. If hell is grave, why would Jesus said that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church?
-Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Does the physical grave have gates.

3. If hell is grave, why did Jesus said he has the keys of hell and death?

Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Does the physical grave have keys?

I am ready to learn but please answer these questions one by one. Tell me if you have seen people in sorrow inside the grave or in pain inside the grave. Tell me if the millions of graves have gates and keys that unlocks the gates.

Your zeal to learn is commendable. I'll give answers to ALL your questions in due time. But first you'll have to answer the questions I earlier posed to you—


1.

Please what is the difference between “body” and “soul”?
Are they mutually exclusive terms?
Answer with scriptures please.

2.

The same “hell” or “grave” is thrown into this lake of fire—Revelation 20:14.
Does it mean an abstract term such as “hell” can feel pain and will remain there suffering forever?

Explain in clear terms using only the Scriptures.

Ken4Christ:


Answers to these questions won't change your unbelief. The Scripture has overwhelming evidences to prove that hell fire exist. You claim Hell is the physical grave. Hell is not the physical grave. Let's look at a few Scripture and see how it will sound like replacing the word hell with grave.

1.The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.(Psalms 9:17).

If Hell is the physical grave, both the righteous and wicked people are buried there. But the Scripture says it's the wicked that goes there. Hell can therefore not be grave. How does it sound to say that the wicked shall be turned into grave? It sure doesn't make sense.

2.Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.(Proverbs 23:13-14).

Hear, the Bible says we should discipline our children so as to deliver their souls from hell. If hell is grave, the child will be buried in it whether you discipline him or not.

In addition it says that the soul may depart from it. Souls are not buried in the grave. Only lifeless bodies are buried in the grave.

3And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: (Mark 9:45).

Here the Bible says that the fire in hell is never quenched. Is there fire in the grave?

Bros, let us check the KJV very well and EXPOSE the way it is DECEIVING you..
Just examine the screenshots thoroughly.

Questions for you:
Bros, what is Hebrew 7585 @ Psalms 9:17 and Psalms 6:5 ?

@ Psalms 6:5, Why would David,(a righteous man whom Yahweh loved so much )be going to Hebrew7585, which you claim is a place of everlasting torture and torment?

What does your KJV Bible call Hebrew 7585 @ Psalms 6:5?
Why does your KJV change Hebrew 7585 "the grave" to another different word @ Psalms 9:17?

Do you now AGREE that Hebrew 7585 "the grave" means the same thing anywhere you see it in your Bible?

Bros, no dey DECEIVE YOURSELF

Mark 9:43-45, Jesus is talking about Gehenna (the Incinerator,Rubbish dump outside Jerusalem), is Gehenna hellfire?.
Do you have PROOF that a living person was tormented forever in Gehenna?

Ken4Christ:


I want to take you on your submission that hell is common grave. Now answer this questions;

1. If hell is grave, why did the Bible says that it's a place of sorrow and pains?

2Sa 22:6 The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;

Psa 18:5 The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.

Psa 116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.

2. If hell is grave, why would Jesus said that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church?
-Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Does the physical grave have gates.

3. If hell is grave, why did Jesus said he has the keys of hell and death?

Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Does the physical grave have keys?

I am ready to learn but please answer these questions one by one. Tell me if you have seen people in sorrow inside the grave or in pain inside the grave. Tell me if the millions of graves have gates and keys that unlocks the gates.

1. It's your claim Ken4Christ, your Bible NEVER said Hebrew 7585 is a place of sorrow and pains.
Have you ever seen a dead people feeling pains in their graves?.

Job14:13,14.
New King James Version
“Oh, that You would hide me in the grave, That You would conceal me until Your wrath is past, That You would appoint me a set time, and remember me!.

Job prayed to go to Hebrew 7585 and rest


Bros, Revelations 1:18, does death have keys?
Don't you think it has gates and doors too?
No be keys go open am ?
Why cherry pick only one and leave out the other.

If you don't understand Revelations 1:1, you can never understood verse 18

Again, why does your KJV Bible change Hebrew 7585 "the grave" @ 1 Samuel 2:6 to something else @2 Samuel 22:6 To DECEIVE YOU & gullible sheeples?

* Matthew 16:18, "Gate of Hades',
Bros, no dey DECEIVE YOURSELF, is Hades (Greek 86) a place of everlasting torture and torment ?

Why is Hades thrown into the lake of fire?
Please go and LEARN !!!! .
Your Pastorpreneurs can't help you.


Is it not the same DUBIOUS thing you saw @ Psalms 6:5 and Psalms 9:17?
Why does the KJV change Hebrew 7585 and give it 2 different meanings which the holy Bible does not do ?

The interpretation of Jesus' Parable of Lazarus and the rich man!

Maximus69:


Lazarus and the rich man!

Lazarus ~ common Jews who only goes to the temple (Rich Man's gate) to take home whatever the Pharisees and Saddusees infuse in their brains, that's the food dropping from the Rich Man's table!

Rich Man ~ Pharisees, Saddusees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis loading the people with unbearable human traditions!

Lazarus's ulcers ~ hardship experienced by common Jews due to the heavy burdens of the man-made traditions!

Dogs licking his wounds ~ Pagan nations like Rome dominating them due to their spiritual condition!

Their death ~ When Jesus arrived to make his choice of disciples amongst the Jews!

Father Abraham's bosom Favour as Jesus chose common Jews promising them of heavenly glory in God's kingdom!

Rich Man's torment When Christians began performing signs to prove what Prophet Joel said about those that will be blessed after the coming of the Christ (Messiah) Joel 2:28 compare to Act 2:16-18

Rich Man's comments When the religious leaders were worried as Christians kept declaring the resurrection of Jesus with powerful signs, they began fighting them to stop the preaching! Act 4:18; 5:28

Father Abraham's reply God's holy spirit continue to strengthen the Christians to preach and teach in all the regions instead of giving in to the threat of their rulers!

Rich Man's brothers ~ Future Satan's agents who will also be tormented anytime the truth is preached!

Moses and the Prophets ~ The Bible Scriptures that everyone needs to carefully consider before pitching his tent for worship!

So it's not a real life event but a Parable!

Maximus69:


There is HELL!
It's the common GRAVE that all dead people are kept!
Even Jesus went to HELL but God did not allow him to perish there!

If we look into the Word, we'll see that there's hell.

The way it's used some places, it's not the physical grave but the place for departed souls.

Maximus69:
The interpretation of Jesus' Parable of Lazarus and the rich man!

The Word will prove otherwise

Janosky:

1. It's your claim Ken4Christ, your Bible NEVER said Hebrew 7585 is a place of sorrow and pains.
Have you ever seen a dead people feeling pains in their graves?.

Job14:13,14.
New King James Version
“Oh, that You would hide me in the grave, That You would conceal me until Your wrath is past, That You would appoint me a set time, and remember me!.

Job prayed to go to Hebrew 7585 and rest


Bros, Revelations 1:18, does death have keys?
Don't you think it has gates and doors too?
No be keys go open am ?
Why cherry pick only one and leave out the other.

If you don't understand Revelations 1:1, you can never understood verse 18

Again, why does your KJV Bible change Hebrew 7585 "the grave" @ 1 Samuel 2:6 to something else @2 Samuel 22:6 To DECEIVE YOU & gullible sheeples?

* Matthew 16:18, "Gate of Hades',
Bros, no dey DECEIVE YOURSELF, is Hades (Greek 86) a place of everlasting torture and torment ?

Why is Hades thrown into the lake of fire?
Please go and LEARN !!!! .
Your Pastorpreneurs can't help you.


Is it not the same DUBIOUS thing you saw @ Psalms 6:5 and Psalms 9:17?
Why does the KJV change Hebrew 7585 and give it 2 different meanings which the holy Bible does not do ?

It's my claim that there is sorrow in hell? Please quote your own version or translation of the same verses I made references to. Did I write the Bible? If hell is grave, then there is sorrow in the grave. But we know that lifeless bodies cannot sorrow, so the Scripture couldn't have been referring to the grave.

Translators are humans and they can make mistakes. If the Bible, not I says there is sorrow in hell, can that hell be the same grave we all see?

If you can't answer this question, humble yourself and accept that you have been brainwashed. Otherwise, your punishment will be worse in the very hell you are denying.

KNOWMORE56:

The Word will prove otherwise

The understanding has been given to a few! Daniel 12:10

Even if you read the word a million times, you can't make any sense without consulting those to whom the secret has been revealed! Matthew 13:10-15

So keep reading while there's no understanding!

KNOWMORE56:

If we look into the Word, we'll see that there's hell.
The way it's used some places, it's not the physical grave but the place for departed souls.

Question ~ What is SOUL?
Answer ~ a living creature! Genesis 2:7

Question ~ Doesn't anything survives death in a living creature after death?

Answer ~ NO! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

A million dollar question! [b]Where is Adam (the first and foremost sinner) presently?

You'll read for sure but can never understand. Daniel 12:10

Janosky:


Bros, let us check the KJV very well and EXPOSE the way it is DECEIVING you..
Just examine the screenshots thoroughly.

Questions for you:
Bros, what is Hebrew 7585 @ Psalms 9:17 and Psalms 6:5 ?

@ Psalms 6:5, Why would David,(a righteous man whom Yahweh loved so much )be going to Hebrew7585, which you claim is a place of everlasting torture and torment?

What does your KJV Bible call Hebrew 7585 @ Psalms 6:5?
Why does your KJV change Hebrew 7585 "the grave" to another different word @ Psalms 9:17?

Do you now AGREE that Hebrew 7585 "the grave" means the same thing anywhere you see it in your Bible?

Bros, no dey DECEIVE YOURSELF

Mark 9:43-45, Jesus is talking about Gehenna (the Incinerator,Rubbish dump outside Jerusalem), is Gehenna hellfire?.
Do you have PROOF that a living person was tormented forever in Gehenna?

You are grossly dishonest. Gehenna was used figuratively. Jesus wasn't talking about the physical place called Gehenna because at that time, it was never used to burn humans but refuse.

If you are in doubt about any message, you make consultation with other Scriptures to establish the truth.

Our Lord Jesus gave a Parable of the wheat and tares and he interpreted the tares to be the children of the wicked one that will be burnt with fire. He didn't use Gehenna here. He also did not use hell here. Are you saying that Jesus didn't know what he was saying. Read the full passage below;

The Parable of the Wheat and Tares

Matthew 13:24-30
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

The Interpretation

Matthew 13:37-43
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; note

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

If after reading this passage, you still don't believe that there is a place of torment where the wicked go to according to the very words of our Lord Jesus, then you are a child of the devil and you will not escape the damnation of Hell.

Do you know it is wickedness to see the truth of God's word and deny it. God is warning people of the danger of Hell so they can correct their ways but you are telling people otherwise. That makes you an anti Christ. And your judgment will be worse because you are turning people away from the truth of God's word. Please repent before it is too late.

Ken4Christ:


It's my claim that there is sorrow in hell? Please quote your own version or translation of the same verses I made references to. Did I write the Bible? If hell is grave, then there is sorrow in the grave. But we know that lifeless bodies cannot sorrow, so the Scripture couldn't have been referring to the grave.

Translators are humans and they can make mistakes. If the Bible, not I says there is sorrow in hell, can that hell be the same grave we all see?

If you can't answer this question, humble yourself and accept that you have been brainwashed. Otherwise, your punishment will be worse in the very hell you are denying.

You quote but since the understanding has not been given to you, you'll find out that it's just the book Bible that both you and those who saying "hell means grave" are reading.
But to make you see that you're not getting the understanding, note the products of your people teaching Hellfire and that of those teaching grave. Matthew 7:16-18
Doesn't it surprise you that instead of your folks to be rated as true dedicated believers, it's JWs that everyone is expecting to hold firm to holiness! Matthew 5:13-16

WHY?

Because it's obvious that you're all deluded so all intellectuals are looking forward to JWs for what the scriptures really teaches. Go out there and make real disciples if surely you have the TRUTH!

Ken4Christ:


You are grossly dishonest. Gehenna was used figuratively. Jesus wasn't talking about the physical place called Gehenna because at that time, it was never used to burn humans but refuse.

If you are in doubt about any message, you make consultation with other Scriptures to establish the truth.

Our Lord Jesus gave a Parable of the wheat and tares and he interpreted the tares to be the children of the wicked one that will be burnt with fire. He didn't use Gehenna here. He also did not use hell here. Are you saying that Jesus didn't know what he was saying. Read the full passage below;

The Parable of the Wheat and Tares

Matthew 13:24-30
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

The Interpretation

Matthew 13:37-43
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; note

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

If after reading this passage, you still don't believe that there is a place of torment where the wicked go to according to the very words of our Lord Jesus, then you are a child of the devil and you will not escape the damnation of Hell.

Do you know it is wickedness to see the truth of God's word and deny it. God is warning people of the danger of Hell so they can correct their ways but you are telling people otherwise. That makes you an anti Christ. And your judgment will be worse because you are turning people away from the truth of God's word. Please repent before it is too late.

The bolded simply connotes FRUSTRATION Sir!

Frustration comes when you're battling hard to refute what is obvious or when you're bitterly striving to establish a concept that's futile!

Maximus69:


The bolded simply connotes FRUSTRATION Sir!

Frustration comes when you're battling hard to refute what is obvious or when you're bitterly striving to establish a concept that's futile!

I am giving you infallible proofs from the very lips of Jesus. The Parable settles it because he interpreted it. If he didn't interpret it, you will give it your own interpretation like you did to the story of Rich man and Lazarus.

You are among the tares that will be burned since you refuse God's word and warning. You will remember this post when you begin your suffering and torment in the burning hell. But you still have the opportunity to repent. Run away from Jehovah Witness organization. Someone who went to hell and came back by the mercy of God saw your founder there in great torment. The option is yours.

Maximus69:


You quote but since the understanding has not been given to you, you'll find out that it's just the book Bible that both you and those who saying "hell means grave" are reading.
But to make you see that you're not getting the understanding, note the products of your people teaching Hellfire and that of those teaching grave. Matthew 7:16-18
Doesn't it surprise you that instead of your folks to be rated as true dedicated believers, it's JWs that everyone is expecting to hold firm to holiness! Matthew 5:13-16

WHY?

Because it's obvious that you're all deluded so all intellectuals are looking forward to JWs for what the scriptures really teaches. Go out there and make real disciples if surely you have the TRUTH!

You are raising disciples for hell. The things of God are foolishness to the intellectuals. You don't find God by intellect otherwise science would have found God by now. Rather, they deny the existence of God. Hence Paul wrote;

1st Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You need to Spirit of God to understand the things of God. It is not received by intellect.

No wonder Jesus said;

Luke 10:21 ... I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

The things of God are hid from the wise which can also be referred to as intellectuals.

Receive Jesus as your Lord and personal Saviour. After that receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit and you will begin to understand the things of God.

Ken4Christ:


You are raising disciples for hell. The things of God are foolishness to the intellectuals. You don't find God by intellect otherwise science would have found God by now. Rather, they deny the existence of God. Hence Paul wrote;

1st Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You need to Spirit of God to understand the things of God. It is not received by intellect.

No wonder Jesus said;

Luke 10:21 ... I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

The things of God are hid from the wise which can also be referred to as intellectuals.

Receive Jesus as your Lord and personal Saviour. After that receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit and you will begin to understand the things of God.

Well you're entitled to your PERSONAL opinion!

@Ken4Christ,
You see my questions dey dodge am?

Maximus69:


Well you're entitled to your PERSONAL opinion!

The guy so wants you to burn forever in his old, stale and mythical nonsense that doesn't exist!
Even their church fathers know the truth but they won't teach their followers

Ken4Christ:


You are grossly dishonest. Gehenna was used figuratively. Jesus wasn't talking about the physical place called Gehenna because at that time, it was never used to burn humans but refuse.

If you are in doubt about any message, you make consultation with other Scriptures to establish the truth.

Our Lord Jesus gave a Parable of the wheat and tares and he interpreted the tares to be the children of the wicked one that will be burnt with fire. He didn't use Gehenna here. He also did not use hell here. Are you saying that Jesus didn't know what he was saying. Read the full passage below;

The Parable of the Wheat and Tares

Matthew 13:24-30
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

The Interpretation

Matthew 13:37-43
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; note

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

If after reading this passage, you still don't believe that there is a place of torment where the wicked go to according to the very words of our Lord Jesus, then you are a child of the devil and you will not escape the damnation of Hell.

Do you know it is wickedness to see the truth of God's word and deny it. God is warning people of the danger of Hell so they can correct their ways but you are telling people otherwise. That makes you an anti Christ. And your judgment will be worse because you are turning people away from the truth of God's word. Please repent before it is too late.

@highlighted,
So it's now you agree that Jesus was speaking figuratively? Why then will you say the “lake of fire” is a literal place?
Or are you the one who gets to decide which one is literal and which is figurative?

As you can see, you've been cornered to speak the truth.

DappaD:
@Ken4Christ,
You see my questions dey dodge am?

He doesn't know that credulity can be so deluding especially when built around emotionals!

The Jewish highpriest who ripped his garment at Jesus' response surely believed Jesus was just blaspheming nah! Matthew 26:65

Maximus69:


He doesn't know that credulity can be so deluding especially when built around emotionals!

The Jewish highpriest who ripped his garment at Jesus' response surely believed Jesus was just blaspheming nah! Matthew 26:65

He quoted Psalm 18:5 and tried to use it to justify his “hellfire” doctrine.
He should come and explain how the righteous man David, the foremost forefather of Jesus Christ and “the man agreeable to Jehovah's heart” (1Samuel 13:14) will be lamenting that one useless “hellfire” wants to envelope him.
True true ehn, Satan has done a wonderful job blinding their eyes and minds. (2Corinthians 4:4)

DappaD:


The guy so wants you to burn forever in his old, stale and mythical nonsense that doesn't exist!
Even their church fathers know the truth but they won't teach their followers

The TRUTH is most of these ones have turned against their Church Fathers after discovering all the deceit but their problem is sticking to the teachings of the people they no more trust.
©All good people go to heaven!
©Unbelievers go to Hellfire!
©God is three in one person!

These and many more are the useless doctrines they got from their Church Fathers but after rubbishing their leaders they're still keeping to the false teachings once used to enslave them.

Really pathetic!

DappaD:


He quoted Psalm 18:5 and tried to use it to justify his “hellfire” doctrine.
He should come and explain how the righteous man David, the foremost forefather of Jesus Christ and “the man agreeable to Jehovah's heart” (1Samuel 13:14) will be lamenting that one useless “hellfire” wants to envelope him.
True true ehn, Satan has done a wonderful job blinding their eyes and minds. (2Corinthians 4:4)

That one is simple nah!

David's soul was among those Jesus went to preach to in Hellfire so Jesus has taken David to heaven now.
Won't you clap for me?

Maximus69:


That one is simple nah!

David's soul was among those Jesus went to preach to in Hellfire so Jesus has taken David to heaven now.
Won't you clap for me?