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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 4:44pm On Sep 09, 2020
gregyboy:
Mumu. Read the screenshot below most of owo artworks was destroyed by benin attacks on owo
So saying owo artwork was from started fron 1400 is a big lie, you should say the oldest surving artworks after benin wared owo date at 1400....i hope you get it •••

See the attached coming directly from the horse’s mouth — Ekpo Eyo, the archaeologist who worked on and dated the Owo arts.

From this evidence, it becomes obvious that even in the 15th century (i.e. 1400s) what Owo was doing was not even ‘bronze’ yet — they were still doing terra-cotta. grin cheesy

So, if they ever casted any ‘bronze’ figures at anytime (which they obviously didn’t except for reliefs), then they did so starting from the 16th century (i.e. 1500) at the earliest.

So, you made the matter worst for yourself. grin cheesy

Reference: Ekpo Eyo, “Masterpieces of Nigerian Art”, 2008, p.22.

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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 4:45pm On Sep 09, 2020
TAO11:
I can see that hot tears have really soaked your eyes. grin

(1) The Benin invasion of Owo was 1400 (your attachment).

(2) The earliest artworks of Owo was 1400.

(3) The figure we’re discussing was 1300.

(4) Yet this Edo dullard insists that the figure was made by Owo. grin grin grin

(5) Conclusion: This Edo dullard has being blinded by hot tears after realizing that his attempt at revision is not only dumb, but also too late. grin cheesy

Most importantly though:

The royal regalia of this figure matches none else’s in the world but the Oonis of Ife’s.

This then proves conclusively that Benin Kingdom was a colony of Ife since ancient times.


Benin invasion in owo was 1400 did that stop owo to have mafe those sculptures 100yrs ago before the benin invasion



I think you are the one blocking your brain with over desperation

Both sculpture date the same year but both regalias are different

The 3rd picture depicit an eastern Yoruba monarch which has same similar attire with the second scupture

Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 4:51pm On Sep 09, 2020
TAO11:


Directly from the mouth of Ekpo Eyo — the archaeologist who did the Owo works:



I never objected to to this as a matter of fact both artisans are same people

My only objection is owo taught ife how to make artworks but majourity of owo art were destroyed by benins

As a matter of fact owo palace owo palace is even olderthan any yorubas oba palace to tell you why
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 4:58pm On Sep 09, 2020
gregyboy:
Benin invasion in owo was 1400 did that stop owo to have mafe those sculptures 100yrs ago before the benin invasion.
According to Ekpo Eyo, the artwork of Owo which dated to 1400 were even terra-cotta to begin with.

Here we’re dealing with ‘bronzes’ — a latter art invention. grin

In sum: IF Owo later casted ‘bronze’ figures, then it must be in the 1500s/1600s. cheesy

Yet we’re talking of a 1300 ‘bronze’ figure. I have obviously flogged your brain out of your cranium. cheesy grin Ntor!

They certainly didn’t cast bronzes before Benin or did they? grin cheesy

I think you are the one blocking your brain with over desperation

Both sculpture date the same year but both regalias are different
No! The regalia is exactly precisely one and the same thing. grin Cry!

The following is a comparison criteria based on a detail-by-detail analysis of the royal regalia:

(1) The textile covering the lower body.

(2) The two longer and bigger beaded necklaces running from close to the shoulder down towards the knees.

(3) The two or three stack of annulus-shaped neck pieces sitting quite atop the collarbone.

(4) The one piece of necklace (made of small spherical beads) sitting quite atop the annulus-shaped pieces.

(5) The many intricately designed pieces of beaded necklaces covering the upper body — including the chest and the abdomen.

(6) And the most unique and important, the two beaded pieces of regalia sitting right on the chest.

Figure (a)i & ii is the image of the 1300 ‘bronze’ figure excavated from the palace of Benin kingdom.

(a)i Source: S. P. Blier, 2012, p.77.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11555237_11424577screenshot20190518174256jpeg914408e4bec15692c9e651a0b301769f_jpeg_jpeg30203ddd5168bccf1908e9c9f5a1fead

(a)ii Another Angle:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11555238_11427363screenshot20200426at115936amjpegda815e1e70859f70855eca8ea386219f_jpeg_jpeg1556c8b25833645cac380aa021666e32

Based on the above set-out comparison criteria, sane folks may now compare and contrast this ‘bronze’ figure excavated from Benin Palace with the ’bronze’ figures below excavated from Ife.

Figure (b) and (c) below are two different examples of ’bronze’ figures of Ife kings recovered from Ife itself.

(b)www.nairaland.com/attachments/11680193_screenshot20200606161235_jpeg88b6cb1312b4cc63bab7ca95f3bba6e0

(c)
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11680177_screenshot20200606160130_jpega8c506efc9844ee61b89afa5a0240dee

An Edo dullard must be soaked in hot bloody tears at the moment. cheesy

I know in your reply to this you will, as usual, bring up the distraction of how the crowns are different while completely ignoring the unique regalia which is not found anywhere else except in Ife.

The ready-made refutation for such reply is that just as Benin kingdom does not have only one type of crowns for its kings; Ife also (as well as any kingdom for that matter) have different variety of crowns for its kings.

The embedded image below is an example of a crown from Ife which is likewise tall and likewise without the signature-round & vertical front piece.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/11684185_screenshot20200607101757_jpeg78a5e08cfa86f285ad9a1f44002ccdd9

In sum then, this find here is a hard evidence (i.e. from archaeology) which not only proves the early connection between Ife and Benin, but also specifically proves the suzerainty of the Ooni of Ife over Benin Kingdom.

The President’s portrait is kept in the office of the Governor, et al., but never the other way round.

The 3rd picture depicit an eastern Yoruba monarch which has same similar attire with the second sculpture
All modern Yoruba monarchs wear Agbada grin, and they also possess the tall crown known as Ade Nla. grin

In fact, the ‘bronze’ figure in question didn’t even wear an agbada to begin with.

So, how does his regalia look in anyway like the one of the modern-day (or latter day) king you posted?? D cheesy grin

Let the hot tears roll, gregyboy! grin

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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 5:36pm On Sep 09, 2020
TAO11:
I cans see that every blow I give you throws you further into self-delusions. grin

Oya take am again! grin cheesy

The two embedded images below show a circa 1300 A.D. ‘bronze’ sculpture of the then Ooni of Ife. This figure was excavated from the palace of Benin kingdom.

Source: S. P. Blier, 2012, p.77.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11555237_11424577screenshot20190518174256jpeg914408e4bec15692c9e651a0b301769f_jpeg_jpeg30203ddd5168bccf1908e9c9f5a1fead

Another Angle:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11555238_11427363screenshot20200426at115936amjpegda815e1e70859f70855eca8ea386219f_jpeg_jpeg1556c8b25833645cac380aa021666e32

Q: How did scholars come to the conclusion that this figure represents the then Ooni of Ife??

A: They noticed that the regalia [i.e. (1)the textile covering the lower body; (2)the two longer and bigger beaded necklaces running from around the shoulder down towards the knees; (3)the stack of some two or three annulus-shaped neck pieces sitting quite atop the collarbone; (4)the one piece of necklace (made of small spherical beads) sitting quite atop the annulus-shaped pieces; (5)the many intricately designed pieces of beaded necklaces covering the upper body — including the chest and the abdomen; and most importantly, the two beaded pieces of regalia sitting right on the chest among other unique commonalities] is the exact same regalia seen on the different ‘bronze’ figures of Ife Kings excavated from Ife itself.

See the embedded images below for two examples of such figures which were recovered from Ife itself, and then compare:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/11680193_screenshot20200606161235_jpeg88b6cb1312b4cc63bab7ca95f3bba6e0

Another One:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11680177_screenshot20200606160130_jpega8c506efc9844ee61b89afa5a0240dee

Moreover, scholars realize that not a single one of the ‘bronze’ figures of Benin Kings shows the same regalia. And there is no other ‘bronze’ figure anywhere else that actually does.

I know in your reply to this you will, as usual, bring up the distraction of how the crowns are different while completely ignoring the unique regalia which is not found anywhere else except in Ife.

The ready-made refutation for such reply is that just as Benin kingdom does not have only one type of crowns for its kings; Ife also (as well as any kingdom for that matter) have different variety of crowns for its kings.

The embedded image below is an example of a crown from Ife which is likewise tall and likewise without the signature-round & vertical front piece.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/11684185_screenshot20200607101757_jpeg78a5e08cfa86f285ad9a1f44002ccdd9

In sum then, this find here is a hard evidence (i.e. from archaeology) which not only proves the early connection between Ife and Benin, but also specifically proves the suzerainty of the Ooni of Ife over Benin Kingdom.

The President’s portrait is kept in the office of the Governor, et al., but never the other way round.

Mumu
Mumu
Mumu

Are this dump quoting the obvious


Is it not obvious to you that ife and owo shared thesesame artisans


So that label on the chest should be obvious


Is like saying owo artwork is different from benin artworks

For me owo taught ife is artworks


Is it not obvious to you that both owo and ife artwork were buried, this shows that ife and owo artwork were from one source so all similarities should be expected


Are you aware that many owo artwork were destroyed by bini invasion


Are you also aware that not all ife artwork that, that chest symbol was made on, so why must owo be different, owo is having it in one of is sculpture you're saying no, it is not owo sculpture
Because the symbol is ife


If indeed is a mark peculiar to distinguish ife sculpture then all ife sculpture should be having it nor be so


Tears...... As blocked your brain


Ife and owo sculpture shares thesame scarification, share thesame mark whiskers share the same colour, thesame texture, thesame face pattern

Then tao11 says they shouldnt share the sane symbol because na only ife get the symbol grin grin

Desperado tao11




From my observations that symbol is not for bust sculpture but for full portrait sculpture just as we dont have it in ife burst scuptures so we don't have it in owo burst sculpture, it is nothing unique to any of the two tribe, both ife and owo shared thesame artisans which is obvious

Is like saying benin- owo sculpture should be different because they are two different tribe, ozwor, show me any benin sculpture in owo that was designed in a benin pattern that differs slightly from the ones in benin


AreaFada2
Etinosa1234
Samuk
Valirex

Make una help me tell her make she tune down her desperate attitude down


If she still insist that sculpture is from ife let her support are clsims with written evidence from 1475 to 1897.....

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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 5:43pm On Sep 09, 2020
gregyboy:
I never objected to to this as a matter of fact both artisans are same people

My only objection is owo taught ife how to make artworks but majourity of owo art were destroyed by benins
Owo taught Ife how to make artworks, yet Ife stopped making terra-cotta in the 1100/1200; and began making bronzes in the 1200s.

Yet your Owo that supposedly taught them were stuck in terra-cotta in the 1400s (and that’s even the earliest of their terra-cotta dates).

I have clearly flogged out your brain from your cranium. grin

As a matter of fact owo palace owo palace is even olderthan any yorubas oba palace to tell you why
Although this does not help you because the account of the same Owo people admit to have migrated from Ife.

Having debunked that, provide evidence that Owo built its first palace before Ife built theirs or 600 years suffereing for you. cheesy

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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 5:46pm On Sep 09, 2020
TAO11:
According to Ekpo Eyo, the artwork of Owo which dated to 1400 were even terra-cotta to begin with.

Here we’re dealing with ‘bronzes’ — a latter art invention. grin

In sum: IF Owo later casted ‘bronze’ figures, then it must be in the 1500s/1600s. cheesy

Yet we’re talking of a 1300 ‘bronze’ figure. I have obviously flogged your brain out of your cranium. cheesy grin Ntor!

They certainly didn’t cast bronzes before Benin or did they? grin cheesy

No the regalia is exactly precisely the one and the same thing. grin Cry!

The following is the comparison criteria based on a detail-by-detail analysis of the royal regalia:

(1) The textile covering the lower body.

(2) The two longer and bigger beaded necklaces running from close to the shoulder down towards the knees.

(3) The two or three stack of annulus-shaped neck pieces sitting quite atop the collarbone.

(4) The one piece of necklace (made of small spherical beads) sitting quite atop the annulus-shaped pieces.

(5) The many intricately designed pieces of beaded necklaces covering the upper body — including the chest and the abdomen.

(5) And the most unique and important, the two beaded pieces of regalia sitting right on the chest.

Figure (a)i & ii is the image of the 1300 ‘bronze’ figure excavated from the palace of Benin kingdom.

(a)i Source: S. P. Blier, 2012, p.77.
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11555237_11424577screenshot20190518174256jpeg914408e4bec15692c9e651a0b301769f_jpeg_jpeg30203ddd5168bccf1908e9c9f5a1fead

(a)ii Another Angle:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11555238_11427363screenshot20200426at115936amjpegda815e1e70859f70855eca8ea386219f_jpeg_jpeg1556c8b25833645cac380aa021666e32

Based on the above set-out comparison criteria, sane folks may now compare and contrast this ‘bronze’ figure excavated from Benin Palace with the ’bronze’ figures below excavated from Ife.

Figure (b) and (c) below are two different examples of ’bronze’ figures of Ife kings recovered from Ife itself.

(b)www.nairaland.com/attachments/11680193_screenshot20200606161235_jpeg88b6cb1312b4cc63bab7ca95f3bba6e0

(c)
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11680177_screenshot20200606160130_jpega8c506efc9844ee61b89afa5a0240dee

An Edo dullard must be soaked in hot bloody tears at the moment. cheesy

I know in your reply to this you will, as usual, bring up the distraction of how the crowns are different while completely ignoring the unique regalia which is not found anywhere else except in Ife.

The ready-made refutation for such reply is that just as Benin kingdom does not have only one type of crowns for its kings; Ife also (as well as any kingdom for that matter) have different variety of crowns for its kings.

The embedded image below is an example of a crown from Ife which is likewise tall and likewise without the signature-round & vertical front piece.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/11684185_screenshot20200607101757_jpeg78a5e08cfa86f285ad9a1f44002ccdd9

In sum then, this find here is a hard evidence (i.e. from archaeology) which not only proves the early connection between Ife and Benin, but also specifically proves the suzerainty of the Ooni of Ife over Benin Kingdom.

The President’s portrait is kept in the office of the Governor, et al., but never the other way round.

All modern Yoruba monarchs wear Agbada grin, and they also possess the tall crown known as Ade Nla. grin

In fact, the ‘bronze’ figure in question didn’t even wear an agbada to begin with.

So, how does his regalia look in anyway like the one of the modern-day (or latter day) king you posted?? D cheesy grin

Let the hot tears roll, gregyboy! grin


Mumu..........


Yes owo invented sclpture to ife


Like i said many owo artwork were destroyed by benins


Yes oduduwa head is a 14c artworks made of meltal...

Desoetado


Check it out

Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 5:47pm On Sep 09, 2020
gregyboy:
[s]Mumu
Mumu
Mumu

Are this dump quoting the obvious


Is it not obvious to you that ife and owo shared thesesame artisans


So that label on the chest should be obvious


Is like saying owo artwork is different from benin artworks

For me owo taught ife is artworks


Is it not obvious to you that both owo and ife artwork were buried, this shows that ife and owo artwork were from one source so all similarities should be expected


Are you aware that many owo artwork were destroyed by bini invasion


Are you also aware that not all ife artwork that, that chest symbol was made on, so why must owo be different, owo is having it in one of is sculpture you're saying no, it is not owo sculpture
Because the symbol is ife


If indeed is a mark peculiar to distinguish ife sculpture then all ife sculpture should be having it nor be so


Tears...... As blocked your brain


Ife and owo sculpture shares thesame scarification, share thesame mark whiskers share the same colour, thesame texture, thesame face pattern

Then tao11 says they shouldnt share the sane symbol because na only ife get the symbol grin grin

Desperado tao11




From my observations that symbol is not for bust sculpture but for full portrait sculpture just as we dont have it in ife burst scuptures so we don't have it in owo burst sculpture, it is nothing unique to any of the two tribe, both ife and owo shared thesame artisans which is obvious

Is like saying benin- owo sculpture should be different because they are two different tribe, ozwor, show me any benin sculpture in owo that was designed in a benin pattern that differs slightly from the ones in benin


AreaFada2
Etinosa1234
Samuk
Valirex

Make una help me tell her make she tune down her desperate attitude down


If she still insist that sculpture is from ife let her support are clsims with written evidence from 1475 to 1897.....[/s]
I am glad to have rendered you repetitively useless. cheesy

Wake me up whenever you have evidence to counter the real world. grin

Let the hot bloody tears roll, gregyboy. cry

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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 5:52pm On Sep 09, 2020
gregyboy:
Mumu..........


Yes owo invented sclpture to ife


Like i said many owo artwork were destroyed by benins


Yes oduduwa head is a 14c artworks made of meltal...

Desoetado

Check it out
Quoting from R. Horton:

“Significantly, the Owo and Benin date-series begin slightly later than their Ife counterparts. One particularly interesting Benin date is for a brass piece previously assessed by Fagg and Dark as early on the ground of its Ife-type naturalism. Thermoluminescence tests give it a date of c. AD. 1420 — just what it should be on the premises adopted by these authors.*”

~ Robin Horton, “Ancient Ife: A Reassessment”, Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol. 9, No. 4 (June 1979), p.87.

Even Tinubu laughed hard at the delusions of the Edo dullard:

Let the hot bloody tears roll, gregyboy.

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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by AreaFada2: 5:53pm On Sep 09, 2020
gregyboy:


Hey mumu, the date doesnt matter what of if it was one of the oldest sculpture from owo that was taken to benin after benin invasion in owo the aftermath of the war left the others destroyed

Use sense dont just copy scholars works for me


Lets not remove the fact that owo sculpture is very similar to that ife sculptures too more like they shared similar artisans


What of if it was a gift giving by the ooni to the oba after d creation of nigeria that probably got lost or probably was staged by both party to form a false historical link between both tribes which i doubt because no benin artwork was found in ife

Was it found in the royal alters of benin if it wasnt then it doesn't suggest the fact that the sculpture was relevant


Every ife sculpture have a duplicate or a sculpture similar to a particular type of sculpture , unlike the owo sculpture that are hardly found in pairs, so were is d duplicate of the sculpture in ife from that


Dont be too desperate TAO11 it is an owo sculpture


Who will think picture 1 is an owo is an owo sculpture Because of its similarities with the ife head, This only explains that ife and owo shared thesame artisans


In as much as TAO11 wants to makes that sculpture ifel she has still not yet removed the doubt from everyone the sculpture could be that of owo


Possibilism willams failed to consider

1,that sculpture could indeed be from ife but was brought to benin after they might have created nigeria that's could be why the sculpture had no influence on benin artwork, or happened to have been placed in an acestoral alter, to signify benin - ife heritage

Again if it was a gift it wont have been a lost item buried in the palace it would have been placed on the alter to the oba it was gifted to

2) that sculpture could also be from ife and was taken to owo, since owo and ife shared same artisans, so maybe during benin invasion on owo the sculpture was stolen and taken to benin as a gift to the oba lets also not forget owo artisans were trained in the oba palace another Possibilism of it coming from owo

3) it could be an indigenous owo art as the regalia depict the eastern Yoruba king regalia unlike the ife 1300ad regalia which differs from that differs from that sculpture regalia, it must have been the amongst the oldest surviving artworks which survived when benin attacked owo and was stolen

4) if indeed we are to believe it as an ife artwork as believe by TAO11, which was taken to benin from ife then the relationship was a strong one for that to have happen , so we must also be able to find other relationships shared between both parties, like the benin-owo relationship

First of all we must find it in their artworks of both benin and ife so TAO11 show more relationships

Isnt that so
Willams failed to highlighten this Possibilism
Probably he failed to know there was an owo artwork in nigeria when he wrote the article


AreaFada2
Sarah20A
Etinosa1234
Samuk


If this possibilism is not treatec by TAO11 then it would be safe to say it id an owo artwork that was lost to benin
My brother you still dey follow the cross dresser reason?
Please educate another rational person or other people. All his-her copy and paste stuff Na hoax. grin
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 5:54pm On Sep 09, 2020
TAO11:
I am glad to have rendered you repetitively useless. cheesy

Wake me up whenever you have evidence to counter the real world of reality.

Let the hot bloody tears roll. cry



AreaFada2
Etinosa1234
Valirex
Ghostwon
Samuk

If you ever bring this sculpture again and present it as an ife sculpture when i ask you for benin-ife evidence


I will knock you desperate head, and purely replying you with insult and nothing more

Because that artworks has nothing unique to ife sane way owo terracotta has nothing unique to ife terracotta head, they were not made for uniqueness they were both made for worship purpose

So that symbol you equate as uniquely ife symbols makes you a desperado and a lier....

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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 5:56pm On Sep 09, 2020
AreaFada2:

[s]My brother you still dey follow the cross dresser reason?
Please educate another rational person or people. All his-her copy and paste stuff Na hoax[/s]

Bloody ocean of tears have began flooding in Benin Kingod.

I am wickedt! grin

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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 5:58pm On Sep 09, 2020
TAO11:
Quoting from R. Horton:

“Significantly, the Owo and Benin date-series begin slightly later than their Ife counterparts. One particularly interesting Benin date is for a brass piece previously assessed by Fagg and Dark as early on the ground of its Ife-type naturalism. Thermoluminescence tests give it a date of c. AD. 1420 — just what it should be on the premises adopted by these authors.*”

~ Robin Horton, “Ancient Ife: A Reassessment”, Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol. 9, No. 4 (June 1979), p.87.

Even Tinubu laughed hard at the delusions of the Edo dullard:

Let the hot bloody tears roll, gregyboy.

Robin Horton if only knew that benin had relationships with ife

But little did he know......

Afc rydee still stand unopposed
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 6:00pm On Sep 09, 2020
gregyboy:
[s]AreaFada2
Etinosa1234
Valirex
Ghostwon
Samuk

If you ever bring this sculpture again and present it as an ife sculpture when i ask you for benin-ife evidence


I will knock you desperate head, and purely replying you with insult and nothing more

Because that artworks has nothing unique to ife sane way owo terracotta has nothing unique to ife terracotta head, they were not made for uniqueness they were both made for worship purpose

So that symbol you equate as uniquely ife symbols makes you a desperado and a lier.... [/s]
Wake me up whenever you have evidence to counter the real world.

You have suffered. I will make you curse the day you were born as an Edo.

My target is simply to expose Benin kingdom to the Igbos, and I will continue to do that everywhere on Nairaland.

Na me and you everywhere on Nairaland.



African Proverb:
An Edo dullard who thinks he is an expert at propagating lies should remember that Tao still have an active Nairaland account. cheesy

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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 6:01pm On Sep 09, 2020
gregyboy:


[s]Robin Horton if only knew that benin had relationships with ife

But little did he know......

Afc rydee still stand unopposed [/s]
Your Ryder was shattered into pieces by Robin Horton.

Babatunde Lawal (1977) whose hypothesis is simply a reiteration of Dennis Williams (1974)’s hypothesis were both leaning along the direction followed by A.F.C. Ryder (1965).

These hypothesis were shattered by subsequent information unavailable at their times. And Robin Horton concludes in relation to this as follows:


As regards the alternative interpretations offered by Ryder and Williams, the recent evidence makes these look decidedly improbable. By-passing Ife and looking to the Benin confederacy, Jukun confederacy or Idah as possible homes of the Ogane now seems far-fetched, to say the least. By-passing Ife and looking to sixteenth-century Portuguese craftsmen for the origin of the Benin brass tradition would now be nothing short of perverse. ...

Summing up, I would say that Obayemi's critique, like the efforts of Ryder and Williams before him, has been rendered out of date by fresh information
.”

~ Robin Horton, “Ancient Ife: A Reassessment”, Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol. 9, No. 4 (June 1979), pp. 87-90


Let the tears roll! grin cheesy

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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 6:04pm On Sep 09, 2020
TAO11:
Wake me up whenever you have evidence to counter the real world.

You have suffered. I will make you curse the day you were born as an Edo.

My target is simply to expose Benin kingdom to the Igbos, and I will continue to do that everywhere on Nairaland.

Na me and you everywhere on Nairaland.

African Proverb:
An Edo dullard who thinks he is an expert at propagating lies should remember that Tao still have an active aNairaland account. cheesy


TAO11 am cold over here in benin i need warm pussy i can keep my joystick for d nite
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 6:06pm On Sep 09, 2020
gregyboy:
[s]TAO11 am cold over here in benin i need warm pussy i can keep my joystick for d nite[/s]
I thought you said you have an elder sister. grin

Remember you defended you Oba when he commited incest. cheesy

Let the tears roll. grin

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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 6:18pm On Sep 09, 2020
TAO11:
I thought you said you have an elder sister. grin

Remember you defended you Oba when he commited incest. cheesy

Let the tears roll.


The way you also got wet for our oba incest case
That you made it an obligation to search how the sex romps began


Am offering you an edo dick, you have been longing for, and you're shying in away.....

Better take it before u loose it
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 6:22pm On Sep 09, 2020
gregyboy:
[s]The way you also got wet for our oba incest case
That you made it an obligation to search how the sex romps began

Am offering you an edo dick, you have been longing for, and you're shying in away.....

Better take it before u loose it[/s]
I know better. I was schooling both you and your Oba.

And I also begged the honorable mister who brought up the topic to off his mic. grin


Having said that, did your elder sister finally agree to your advances?? grin

Let the tears roll! cheesy

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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by macof(m): 6:47pm On Sep 09, 2020
gregyboy:



Benin invasion in owo was 1400 did that stop owo to have mafe those sculptures 100yrs ago before the benin invasion



I think you are the one blocking your brain with over desperation

Both sculpture date the same year but both regalias are different

The 3rd picture depicit an eastern Yoruba monarch which has same similar attire with the second scupture

The third picture says "King of Oyo"
But this clown is too daft to see grin cheesy

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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 7:32pm On Sep 09, 2020
TAO11:
I know better. I was schooling both you and your Oba.

And I also begged the honorable mister who brought up the topic to off his mic. grin


Having said that, did your elder sister finally agree to your advances?? grin

Let the tears roll! cheesy



You mean i can have your eldest sisted too that would be nice threesomse to compensate me for your lies


Ife symbols only unique to the ife.... And not to owo, i guess the owo terracotta is also unique to the ife with the stratification mugu



Mugu wen you and your brothers be.......


Edo wannabe
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 8:17pm On Sep 09, 2020
gregyboy:
[s]You mean i can have your eldest sisted too that would be nice threesomse to compensate me for your lies

Ife symbols only unique to the ife.... And not to owo, i guess the owo terracotta is also unique to the ife with the stratification mugu

Mugu wen you and your brothers be.......

Edo wannabe[/s]
I simply said let the tears roll, I never said let the ocean of tears roll. cheesy

I never mentioned the word ”ocean”, so why all these?? grin cheesy


Anyways, your oba remains “Ovbi’ Oduduwa, Oba n’Uhe”. cheesy

Your oba proved this just last week when he was praised as such in his palace. grin

Now, let the tears roll!

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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 9:43pm On Sep 09, 2020
TAO11:
I simply said let the tears roll, I never said let the ocean of tears roll. cheesy

I never mentioned the word ”ocean”, so why all these?? grin cheesy


Anyways, your oba remains “Ovbi’ Oduduwa, Oba n’Uhe”. cheesy

Your oba proved this just last week when he was praised as such in his palace. grin

Now, let the tears roll!


And you say uhe is ife i laff on your desperation

Mugu you and your lazy coward brother
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 10:45pm On Sep 09, 2020
gregyboy:
And you say uhe is ife i laff on your desperation
Even the greatest liar in the history of Benin Kings (Erediauwa) admits this particular one. grin See attached. grin

And I don’t know of any serious academic who doesn’t. cheesy

But let’s pretend the Oduduwa of Uhe actually means Oduduwa of Uganda — at least so that you’ll be able to sleep tonight. grin wink

Mugu you and your lazy coward brother
Captain Gallwey stayed among Binis. He said Binis are first class cowards. ~ Captain Gallwey; Journey in the Benin Country, 1893, p.128.

No wonder ordinary Ijaw you kept your Oba shut. grin cheesy

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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 11:04pm On Sep 09, 2020
TAO11:
Even the greatest liar in the history of Benin Kings (Erediauwa) admits this particular one. grin See attached. grin

And I don’t know of any serious academic who doesn’t. cheesy

But let’s pretend the Oduduwa of Uhe actually means Oduduwa of Uganda — at least so that you’ll be able to sleep tonight. grin wink

Captain Gallwey stayed among Binis. He said Binis are first class cowards. ~ Captain Gallwey; Journey in the Benin Country, 1893, p.128.

No wonder ordinary Ijaw you kept your Oba shut. grin cheesy


Mumum you don't believe Erediauwa story of ekaladeran but you believe uhe... Mugu

Without ekaladeran would there be uhe is not ekaladeran history that brought uhe....

Anyway the original Ekaladerhan history has nothing to do with ife.... It was the twisted version which you support that turned uhe to ife

Uhe was a town formerly named ughoton in now benin,

We have nothing to do with you people


So stop forcing it, desperado


And waiting for your next points
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 11:06pm On Sep 09, 2020
gregyboy:
Mumum you don't believe Erediauwa story of ekaladeran but you believe uhe... Mugu

Without ekaladeran would there be uhe is not ekaladeran history that brought uhe....

Anyway the original Ekaladerhan history has nothing to do with ife.... It was the twisted version which you support that turned uhe to ife

Uhe was a town formerly named ughoton in now benin,

We have nothing to do with you people


So stop forcing it, desperado


And waiting for your next points
Okay I’ve heard:

Oduduwa of Uhe = Oduduwa of Ughoton (or even Uganda). grin cheesy

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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 11:15pm On Sep 09, 2020
TAO11:
Okay I’ve heard:

Oduduwa of Uhe = Oduduwa of Ughoton (or even Uganda). grin cheesy


Ur pussy

There was never oduduwa wake up from yoyr desperate feeling


It's ekaladeran n uhe....

Ekalderhan story was altered by Erediauwa to accompany his motive on tackle yoruba scholars rewriting benin history


Uhe is associated with Ekaladerhan he never ventured into ife untill oba Erediauwa made him to, inorder to tackle yoruba lying mouths like you
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 11:17pm On Sep 09, 2020
gregyboy:
Ur pussy

There was never oduduwa wake up from yoyr desperate feeling


It's ekaladeran n uhe....

Ekalderhan story was altered by Erediauwa to accompany his motive on tackle yoruba scholars rewriting benin history
What else do you want?

Is Uhe not Uganda again? cheesy grin

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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 11:19pm On Sep 09, 2020
TAO11:
What else do you want?

Is Uhe not Uganda again? cheesy grin


I want your sticking pussy i will give it to you wearing my nose mask
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 11:49pm On Sep 09, 2020
gregyboy:

I want your sticking pussy i will give it to you wearing my nose mask
Your elder sister is in the bush. She’s waiting for your quickie as usual.

Let the tears roll!

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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 11:51pm On Sep 09, 2020
TAO11:
Your elder sister is in the bush. She’s waiting for your quickie as usual.

Let the tears roll!


I just finished with your sister next is you my mask is still on... Lol
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 12:28am On Sep 10, 2020
gregyboy:
I just finished with your sister next is you my mask is still on... Lol
I don’t have a sister, but thank you have one. She’s waiting in the bush. Hurry up! cheesy

Let the tears continue rolling.

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