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| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Numero9: 1:55pm On Sep 21, 2020 |
ggirl4real:Hahahahahahahaha....aswear nor be only you!! |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Acehart: 4:59pm On Sep 21, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:It’s been a strange experience with NL lately. Anyway, thanks for your concern. I don’t understand many rules on this site and using it as proficiently as you would be something. I saw you sent me a mail but I couldn’t open it because I’m a NL blockhead. I’m about to reply this mockery of a question and I hope the nano security don’t bust my message. I think it is lengthy and I’ll try to reduce it and take away any numbers I have written down. I hope it would work. |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 8:16pm On Sep 21, 2020*. Modified: 9:03pm On Sep 21, 2020 |
Acehart: MuttleyLaff:"And the LORD regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. (i.e. So the LORD was sorry He had ever made them and put them on the earth. It broke His heart. The LORD was sorry that He had made humans on the earth, and He was heartbroken.)" - Genesis 6:6 What stood out in your extraordinary and delightful post up there, and what gelled for me is that, and put in one sentence, is that, image is instant, while likeness is continuum I doff my hat. Wehdone Sir! Mind you Acehart, aside man who is made a little lower than angels, angels too had the gift of freewill, which is tantamount to choice. Another thing, is about the Hebrew word "nacham" used in Genesis 6:6 seen above and translated into English as "regretted", it actually carries the sense of being sad, a sense of being disappointment that man have not fulfilled their capable, full and expected potential. It is expressing a feeling of sadness or disappointment over all the bad things and/or atrocities man has done, and this talking especially about up to in the circa Nephilim, sons of God and daughters of men times, they have carried out, only Noah failed to do or participate. Only Noah, in his generation, did the right thing. It broke God's heart, that man has let Him down, in spite of .... so, all God had left was to resign to console Himself, with the thought, that He, when all's said and done, did his best for A&E, and of course, by association man/mankind. God in His infinite mercy and fairness, had already declared He'll give man/mankind 120 years (i.e. 3 generations) to change their thinking and/or amend their ways cc: Sermwell |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Acehart: 10:17am On Sep 22, 2020*. Modified: 11:03am On Sep 22, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:Thanks for the honour. But that honour has to go to God, whom I pray to for guidance anytime I feel the urge to answer many questions. I’d like to ask you this: what difference is the writer of Genesis trying in convey in these two verses: Gen. c5v.iii and Gen. c1v.xxvii? |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by PROPHETmichael: 11:06am On Sep 22, 2020 |
Sermwell:The same reason your school didn't just handover certificate to you but allowed you to pass through process called test and exams etc. despite the fact that they can, if they wish to. God doesn't abuse His power; He is a just God and he gives everyone time to think about their action. |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 4:57am On Sep 23, 2020 |
Acehart:"Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.” (i.e. Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”) - Genesis 1:26 "So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them" (i.e. So God created human beings, making them to be like himself. He created them male and female) - Genesis 1:27 "And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth (i.e. When Adam was 130 years old, he became the father of a son who was just like him—in his very image. He named his son Seth. When Adam was 130 years old, he had a son who was like him, and he named him Seth.)" - Genesis 5:3 It again, is about the "image is instant, while likeness is continuum" Genesis 1:26, "Let Us make man in Our image" means, let's make humans, spirit beings, housed in a human body, as an instant physical representation or a somewhat realistic portrayal of the incorporeal Godhead. Genesis 1:27, "Let Us make man ... according to Our likeness" means, let's make humans, spirit beings, housed in a human body, an instant physical representation or a somewhat realistic portrayal of the incorporeal Godhead having the same characteristics to Godhead or having agreeable similar qualities in the same manner the Godhead has. The difference(s), the writer of Genesis is trying to get across, in the Genesis 1:26-27 and Genesis 5:3 verses, are the following: 1/ Genesis 1:26 conveyed the sense of making man in the Godhead's image and according to the Godhead's likeness 2/ Genesis 1:27, conveyed the sense that, only first half of Genesis 1:26 was carried out (i.e. "image is instant ...''), and carried out for the very good reason as I earlier mentioned about the second half being about "... likeness is continuum" The artist already has the image of the object the painting he/she is painting, and with every stroke of the brush, and dashes of paint, a likeness of the object slowly emerges 3/ Post Genesis 1:27, is when the likeness magic happens. It's starting point was in Eden. A&E, were a blank canvas, with nothing painted on the canvas, no character, nothing, nada, zilch. Yep, no content, but has to swing one way. The Godhead's way, as meaning, likeness of the Godhead, or an alternate way, as meaning in the likeness of that alternate way 4/ The plan of Genesis 1:26, "Let Us make man ... according to Our likeness" ended up, in the alternate way, as meaning in the likeness of that alternate way, which is Genesis 5:3 of Seth being made in the likeness of Adam, a fall from grace to grass human being. A&E, before getting out out the starting blocks, didnt pass at all, for Genesis 1:26 kind of likeness, to get started, so we had to wait circa 4000 years later to have the Genesis 1:26 likeness properly re-instituted My apologies for holding back and so not delving more into it |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 12:48pm On Sep 23, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:When the going gets tough y'all try to form bible students. How does Isaiah 55:11 explain how God's spoken words created a physical universe? What's with the "your speaking is an act of creation" bullocks? Hey Muttleylaff, I just said "let there be a big, bright, sun-like light in my room", while i type, I'm still waiting for it to come into existence. You can try again sir, how did God's mere spoken words created a physical universe? "And from then Yeshua began to inform His disciples that he was prepared to go to JerusalemWhere is Yeshua's absolute free will here? No, answer me, was Yeshua's will (in this case) free or not? Ps: By my foreknowledge (Lolzzzz), I expect you to give [b]will and freewill[b] a new definition rather than accept that everyone's will is not absolutely free. Why would I have any need to introduce trinity, hmm, lmso? God is trinity and more. God in infinity.If God Almighty (The Father) was God 1 and Jesus(The same God that was said to come to earth as a man) was God 2 (as claimed or supposed by trinity), then they ought to have the same will! God and his HolySpirit have the same will (100%) don't they? God 1 wants buns but can't take ice-cream, however God 2 wants ice-cream but can't take buns. Somehow both Gods are one, equal and the same? Like I said in some other thread "the doctrine of trinity needs to be rechecked and put aright". |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 2:35pm On Sep 23, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:Trust me sir Muttley, you won't want to do this. I watched the video some minutes ago, it doesn't answer my question. |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by TimeTraveler369: 3:21pm On Sep 23, 2020 |
It is just a program. None of those things happened. |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Karanka: 3:21pm On Sep 23, 2020 |
DappaD:Nice attempt but it still doesn't cut it. A lot of things don't just make sense without applying the tool of faith. Now, why would God put the tree that he warned Adam and Eve not to eat from in the same garden he put Adam and Eve in? Not just that,he didn't protect the tree from been eaten by Adam and Eve. It sounds almost childish considering the whole scenario but maybe a fortified wall or something else around the tree would have prevented Eve from gaining access to the tree,or probably stationing and angel there just like he did after he drove Adam and Eve from the garden. That's not all. Of all places,all planets to cast satan to,it was earth. The same place that Adam that he loved so much was put. You see,no earthly father would even do such. just imagine you as a father to a young girl of about 5 years allowing a know child molester to live in the same house with your little girl and even have unrestricted access to her. come on man! Who would ever do that? But that is what the Bible literally wants us to believe. Except if there's another 'higher plan or reason' we still don't know of yet. |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Karanka: 3:31pm On Sep 23, 2020 |
Karanka:Let me just add that losing everything like children, relations; suffering from diseases and other vices and disasters and gaining times twenty of that or millions of that when the kingdom of Jehovah comes or in heaven is not just enough - it doesn't adequately compensate for that. Can anything adequately replace the loss of something so precious? Is there really a better alternative? That is why the story of Job in the Bible is yet another thing that doesn't make sense in all these. |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by DappaD: 3:45pm On Sep 23, 2020*. Modified: 4:00pm On Sep 23, 2020 |
Karanka:Mr/Mrs Karanka, please if we're going to further this discussion about the Bible, then we would want to do that taking into consideration, the accurate chronology. First of all, Satan the Devil isn't the name of the chief rebellious angel, rather those are just titles meaning Resister and Slanderer. He is unnamed in the Scriptures because he has no relevance/bearing on God's purposes. Second, it was only after he lied to Eve, cause them to sin which brought death upon she and Adam—did he begin to become Satan the Devil. It wasn't before. Jesus said at John 8:44: “You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth , because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie.” Carefully reading the above, we find out that prior to when this angel rebelled against his Father and God, he was faithful but “he did not stand fast in the truth” because he allowed a wrong desire for rulership to grow in his heart(James 1:14,15) So because he had freewill, he chose to misuse it and slandered the name of God.(Genesis 3:4-5) And third, Satan wasn't hurled down to the earth before Adam was created. Those are just fanciful tales told by people who lack knowledge of the Scriptures. Such that have no bearing on the Scriptures. The Bible says that Satan and his angels “did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place”.—Jude 6a Meaning they left their dutypost in heaven to come to the earth, which is a huge offense on it's own but “he[God] has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.”—Jude 6b. Meaning that God has marked them for judgment and destruction already because of the rebellion. The ousting of Satan to the earth permanently was in 1914, thousands of years after Adam had died. If you want to know more about that year 1914 please call on any of Jehovah's Witnesses in the area where you live as they will explain to you in great detail. |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by DappaD: 3:50pm On Sep 23, 2020 |
Karanka:I don't think I get you completely. Let's say you are terminally ill and someone tells you that there will come a time when you'll no longer get sick—a perfect health wouldn't compensate for all that has been lost? May I ask you provide a better alternative, please, I'm all ears. |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 3:53pm On Sep 23, 2020 |
thesicilian:LOL, God wasn't aware there were other planets besides the Earth. ![]() |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by AkinwaleJJ(f): 4:23pm On Sep 23, 2020 |
Karanka:Job is just another human like you and i, people don't give birth to children and stay with them forever. For now we must return to non-existence the same way we come (one by one). Job had the faith that God will raise him up from the dead [Job 14:13-15] and of course all his twenty children will rise up with him during the resurrection of the dead. John 5:28-29 So Job realized that everything God returned to him was complete double fold, the material things will not be his again after resurrection but all his beloved children will come back to life! Reve 20:13 |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Karanka: 4:55pm On Sep 23, 2020 |
DappaD:There's no better alternative I can think of for the person. But how about not losing anything at all or not even becoming sick? Do you think that losing 5 children and later given birth to 20 children is enough of replacement or consolation for the ones lost? |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by DappaD: 5:02pm On Sep 23, 2020 |
Karanka:I think AkinwaleJJ's post highlights this? |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Karanka: 5:03pm On Sep 23, 2020 |
AkinwaleJJ:This is exactly what doesn't seem right in the whole Job story. mind you,Job was on his own minding his business o until God called out to satan to remind him of Job,and even went ahead to grant him permission to do all sorts of evil against Job apart from taking his life. Now after Job lost practically every thing,you're telling me that the whole thing sounds right just because of the so-called replacement he got? |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Karanka: 5:09pm On Sep 23, 2020 |
DappaD:I don't want to dwell on whether satan was cast down to earth before or after satan deceived man( though biblical evidence points to the former), the fact according to the Bible remains that satan was cast down to the earth. Simple. And my question stands: why earth? why not Jupiter or Venus or any other unknown place that doesn't have man in it? |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by AkinwaleJJ(f): 5:30pm On Sep 23, 2020*. Modified: 5:50pm On Sep 23, 2020 |
Karanka:The story is to inform us that God knows those who truly believe in him so no matter what Satan does such ones will remain unshakable. According to the Bible, all Adam's descendants (including Job) are like mere dust from God's viewpoint since Adam has brought us into this condition, so we are going to die anyway. But with Job's loyalty to God, Satan and all his demons that thought all humans are so stupid to hold onto this life selfishly as if there's no reward for integrity keepers, were beaten to stupor. Definitely the intelligent spirit being that perfect Adam failed to outsmart could be beaten and rendered speechless by an imperfect descendants of the same Adam! Satan's intelligence was humbled and insulted! From the time of Job till today, God's servants learnt a lesson that Adam's failure to conquer Satan's smartness wasn't a defect in God's work! Deut 32:5 This means we can withstand Satan's craftiness no matter how smart he may prove to be [Ephesians 6:16] that's the advantage of FAITH! |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by thankgod460(m): 8:40pm On Sep 23, 2020 |
Yes, He allows it to happen so that everyone will know that He is the Almighty. As you also make plan for every event, so God make plans for himself and how He wishes to rule the universe. |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 9:26am On Sep 25, 2020 |
mmsen:The Nigerian fail judicial system has bastardized your brain. |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Barristter07: 8:18pm On Sep 25, 2020 |
Sermwell: Good reasoning, But that is peradventure if Satan challenges Gods power as Almighty or claim to have more power than he is. Satan didnt challenge Gods power, he said he was a LIAR . So that approach cannot work if someone told me he is more honest than I am on Twitter (public eyes) , which of this would solve the issue. 1. Me killing the accuser 2. Allowing a considerate time to pass whereby people can judge the both of us ? choose wisely, one option will scatter everything and make it seem my accuser was right. The second is the wise one. |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Barristter07: 8:36pm On Sep 25, 2020 |
Karanka:You know why I like this post of yours, It shows you are deep thinker. I respect that As a deep thinker, when you read Satans response accusing Job, Do you see premeditated envy against the man? Do you see How Satan listed everything about Job instantly which means his heart was set against that man already before he came in .Dont forget the question was : " HAVE YOU SET YOUR HEART UPON MY SERVANT JOB " Job 1:8 He can read Satans premeditated envy and accusations against the man already . God didnt started it, Satan did. Check his responses to that question. Good evening |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 2:28pm On Sep 27, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:I've watched the video again, this time, paying attention to every details. I loved the part where he said "If there was a day when God created heaven and earth, where was he before that day? (The believers cheered) Where He was is where He is, because He said - I am the LORD, I changeth not" That was 100000000000% correct! However let us quake deeper and ask ourselves, was there a day, a time or a moment when he created that dwelling place that was before heaven and earth? If there was, that means there was another place he dwelled before creating that one we speak of. If we keeping going back and back, we will have an infinite regression of God's dwelling place (which is unscriptural and unreasonable). If there wasn't, then that means that the dwelling place is ETERNAL! It was never created! Hahahahahahaha, what shall we then say, God created all things except the place which he dwelled? No! Only one entity has been eternal before this dispensation, that is God! If the dwelling place of God is eternal (never created or caused), then the dwelling place is God! Because only God is eternal from the past! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In simple words, God's dwelling place is God! God is His own dwelling place! This was the revelation I had from the spirit of truth and that made me realize God The Father is not a person! He is higher than what we can classify as a person! Although I don't have the perfect word to describe God's state of existence, the closest word I could get was REALITY! God The Father Is A REALITY! Thus when I then looked back at the doctrine of trinity that claims - God in 3 persons... I reflect and say - God in three persons? No, no, no, the First Entity/Being in the Trinity union is not even a Person! Grace and Truth. |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 3:04pm On Sep 27, 2020*. Modified: 3:59pm On Sep 27, 2020 |
Blabbermouth:I am pleased you went over to carefully and vigilantly rewatched the video. I wish I can address your post in much details and better, but I cant because you caught me the middle of engaging another poster and just about going to the High Street to pick up some bottled water and bare essentials, but I'll quickly interject here that, you're committing the mistake of making the Trinity the be all end all, when it really isn't, lmso. This is your Achilles' heel. It's your stumbling block. You cant for this stumbling tree, see the forest, see the woods, as it were, lmso I recall asking before maybe not you, that at which point did God become God, the Father. Also, at what point did God become, God, the Son, lmso. You see the Yoruba captured the essence of having some appreciable semblance of understanding of who, what and how God is, when you ascribe or refer to God, as "Eledumare" or " Olodumare Do you know why God on three occasions never revealed what His personal is and do you know the reason given for turning down the requests to know what His personal name is, hmm?. Mind Yahweh, I AM, that, I AM or even YHWH, known as the Tetragrammaton, are not God's personal name, I trust you know that, lmso, hmm? "This is what the LORD says: “Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Could you build me a temple as good as that? Could you build me such a resting place?" - Isaiah 66:1 I am sure there the idea of seven heavens being banded about, but bible speaking and bible fact cross checked with know with certainty, that there are at least three heavens, lmso. Have you grasped the implication and deep meaning of Isaiah 66:1a? (i.e. heaven is my throne). What and where is beyond the throne then, lmso, hmm? Orisirisi nkan lo nshẹlẹ ni heavens, lmso. Iwọ kan sha, mafọ. Malọ fọ bi awo, lmso. Ọmọ iya mi, mo wa pẹlu ẹ. Iwọ kan sha mafọ, lmso I am sorry I have to scram and move on to equally important other things |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 3:40pm On Sep 27, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:I ought to respond to some things in your reply but I will wait for you to modify first (for it felt like there is more you want to say but time won't permit). |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 4:02pm On Sep 27, 2020 |
Blabbermouth:Answer all my queries and questions in my recent post up there. Dont worry, as I will revert to filling in more details I couldn't earlier do. I am standing on the road responding this back to you. |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 4:17pm On Sep 27, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:1.God, before the foundation of the world has always been "The Father", in the same light as how the lamb has been slain before the foundation of the world. However, that dimension of him became accessible when Jesus was on earth.That dimension became a reality when I got born again. 2. God Almighty never became God the son (hahahahahahaha, Glory!) Do you know why God on three occasions never revealed what His personal is and do you know the reason given for turning down the requests to know what His personal name is, hmm?. Mind Yahweh, I AM, that, I AM or even YHWH, known as the Tetragrammaton, are not God's personal name, I trust you know that, lmso, hmm?Yes I do. "This is what the LORD says:"There are at least 3 heavens" - Spot on! Have you grasped the implication and deep meaning of Isaiah 66:1a? (i.e. heaven is my throne). What and where is beyond the throne then, lmso, hmm?You can enlighten me, can't you? |
| Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:26pm On Sep 27, 2020 |
Blabbermouth:The bolded is a misconception! There is just one heaven (spirit realms) just as earth is one, but there is three parts in the same heaven not as earth has six continents! ![]() ©JEHOVAH'S palace, with the elders. ©The Cherubs (workers) ©The Seraphs (singers) Everything is well organized until Satan disrupted the peace there, and he convinced one third of the angels to rebel against God [Revelations 12:4] but after Jesus drove Satan away from heaven in 1914, peace reigned once again as it was in the beginning! Revelations 12:12 ![]() |
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