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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by kkins25(m): 12:24pm On Sep 15
MuttleyLaff:


OK in the Pharaoh case, how exactly, leaving no stone unturned was he hardened up. I do remember that he was given at least ten times, to allow the Israelites leave but he refused, through exercising his freewill
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i think the sensible question to ask would be; if God in his so called glory could influence pharaoh by hardening his heart, why couldn't he also influence pharaoh by softening his heart?
why is that God of Moses is always working counterproductively(bearing in mind that they wandered the desert unnecessarily for freaking 40 bloody years with the silly excuse of "getting rid of slave mentality".. i think that was moses' bloody plan. Infact the whole charade was moses plan, from the 10 commandments to the the last bit.
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 12:47pm On Sep 15
sonmvayina:
You might want to be sure first.
Don't get it twisted... God said of Christ "I will put my words in his mouth, listen to WHATEVER he says".
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 12:50pm On Sep 15
DappaD:

Satan was the one who deceived Eve and eventually brought death upon she, Adam and all of mankind. (Romans 5:12)
That's why Hebrews 2:14 says that Satan the Devil is “the one having the means to cause death”.
It's not as if he's the one doing the killing directly—but he draws people out according to their desires and seduces them into committing sin. It is that sin that brings forth death. (James 1:14,15)


As the Bible would have it—the first lie ever told was the one told by Satan(John 8:44)
Jehovah God had specifically told Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and bad and that, if they did eat, they would die. (Genesis 2:17)
Along came Satan—using a serpent as a mouthpiece, he asked Eve a trick question and she then recanted the instruction that God had given them.
Then Satan told the first lie:
“You certainly will not die.”—Genesis 3:4
He didn't stop there. He went on to claim that Jehovah was withholding something precious from them—by doing so, he slandered Jehovah's name and challenged the rightfulness and righteousness of Jehovah's Sovereignty/Supremacy.—Genesis 3:5
I don't have the freedom to keep this conversation long, I will just say "Okay" to what you said above.

As for Satan, him being the Chief Slanderer and a Murderer, judgment was already pronounced against Satan as far back as the garden of Eden—for putting up a rebellious attitude and inciting others—angels and humans—to join in the rebellion.
Jesus who came to be the promised “seed” would eventually crush the head of the serpent—that is, Satan the Devil—utterly destroying/annihilating him forever in the “lake of fire” which means the “second death” without a possible resurrection.(Compare Genesis 3:15 with Matthew 25:41,46, Romans 16:10, Hebrews 2:14, 1John 3:8 and Revelation 20:2,10)
There Is a question that holds the key to understanding all these;
Why did Satan Rebel?
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 12:59pm On Sep 15
MuttleyLaff:

MuttleyLaff: Are you busy thinking of how to wriggle your way out of the questions, hmm?
MuttleyLaff: What is "According to b" about?
That was a typo.

MuttleyLaff: 1/ What according to you is "will"?
I defined it already.

MuttleyLaff: 2/ How do you mean "will" isn't absolutely free?
Dusted already. You will never ever ever ever ever ever ever be able to prove that everyone's will is absolutely free.

MuttleyLaff: Good, so is this someone person always compelling you to make choice?

MuttleyLaff: You are stealing my definition, Try and be original nah, be more creative, create your own explanation of what "will" is

MuttleyLaff: "He was hardened by an higher force?" Now please explain to me in no uncertain terms, how exactly was Pharaoh hardened by an higher force.
You got clamped when you couldn't explain the various ways one's heart can be hardened. Unlike you, I don't force opinions into scriptures.

MuttleyLaff: " I'm working with that definition?". Please don't make me laugh jor. You're working with the definition because you are making things up as we go along, always ready to change the appearance of the goal-post. You are inconsistent
No. The only problem you had was my disbelief in absolute free will.

MuttleyLaff: "Direct your Question to the hardener"? You are having a laugh and you know that. Look at you make a fleeting allegation and given the opportunity to back it up with cogent proof, you are slacking and shuffling feet
Let anyone born of a woman (You, MuttleyLaff) tell us in details how the word of God formed the universe.

MuttleyLaff: Your position on freewill, for starters. You keep changing how you mean freewill is. I dont even know what your position is regarding freewill, which is why I havent pulled you up to get ready for the experiment
Always ready bro. If you need someone that believes in absolute free will, we will find one for you.

MuttleyLaff: "You speak as though there are established numbers of ways of hardening a man", you say and you forget, I gave you a golden opportunity to tell me how Pharaoh was hardened, but you threw the kind gesture right back in my face. Now you are playing a game of "You speak as though there are established numbers of ways of hardening a man".

OK in the Pharaoh case, how exactly, leaving no stone unturned was he hardened up. I do remember that he was given at least ten times, to allow the Israelites leave but he refused, through exercising his freewill
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You deserve a medal for your dilly dallying talent.

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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 1:07pm On Sep 15
Blabbermouth:

I don't have the freedom to keep this conversation long, I will just say "Okay" to what you said above.

There Is a question that holds the key to understanding all these;
Why did Satan Rebel?

Pride!

Satan thought as one of the princes in heaven, he also deserves to be worshiped by lesser beings so he came down, possessed a beast and spoke with Eve to know if she's also prideful and GBAM it's not every being having freewill that will appreciate the gift.
So Satan is on the lookout for such ingrates. That is why any prideful individual can't be one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you must be humble and willing to submit to orderliness!
Satan on the other hand is promoting pride and ego! smiley
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 1:07pm On Sep 15
shadeyinka:

Very lame.
Is it that God also didn't know that Satan was on the earth?
C'mon here, He was cast down there.

And God didn't know what satan will do to Adam and Eve?
Smiles...Is the future no longer dynamic? God knowing what satan WILL do is Static o. There is a big difference between "WILL do" and "CAN do".

And God didn't know that Adam and Eve will eat of the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil?
You are good at jumping ships when you feel like. I thought we are using dynamic future now?

Probably God wasn't even aware that the tree that produced death was in the midst of the garden.
C'mon don't be a joker.
1. What do you think produce the death? The fruit or the disobedience?
2. They were permitted to eat the tree of life at least, why in all their years didn't they eat from it?

Please, you err by discussing such a topic with a skeptic or atheist. It is sufficient to answer the questions to the best of your ability
I will see to that.
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 1:16pm On Sep 15
Maximus69:


Pride!
Abeg define pride please!

Satan thought as one of the princes in heaven, he also deserves to be worshiped by lesser beings so he came down, possessed a beast and spoke with Eve to know if she's also prideful and GBAM it's not every being having freewill that will appreciate the gift.
No sir. Satan has lost it before his ordeal with Eve.

So Satan is on the lookout for such ingrates. That is why any prideful individual can't be one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you must be humble and willing to submit to orderliness!
Satan on the other hand is promoting pride and ego! smiley
You are not wrong.
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 1:24pm On Sep 15
Blabbermouth:

Abeg define pride please!
An unreasonable overestimation of one's own superiority in talent, wealthy, beauty, rank etc.

No sir. Satan has lost it before his ordeal with Eve.

God won't judge anyone before you commit a crime {James 1:14-15} so Satan allowed pride to lead him into slandering his Creator! smiley
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 1:31pm On Sep 15
Maximus69:

An unreasonable overestimation of one's own superiority in talent, wealthy, beauty, rank etc.
This is a common thing in humans na. God created Lucifer na, how did Lucifer invent this "pride" of a thing?

God won't judge anyone before you commit a crime {James 1:14-15} so Satan allowed pride to lead him into slandering his Creator! smiley
One who is down fears no fall. Satan has lost it already before His ordeal with Eve!
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 2:06pm On Sep 15
Blabbermouth:

This is a common thing in humans na. God created Lucifer na, how did Lucifer invent this "pride" of a thing?
Misuse of freewill!

One who is down fears no fall. Satan has lost it already before His ordeal with Eve!

That is Christendom Churches's teaching, Satan wasn't a fallen angel till he abandoned his duty post to speak with Eve! Jude 6
According to the scriptures, angels aren't permitted to speak with humans unless God sent/asked them to do so! smiley
So for Satan to have jumped the protocols and start chatting with Eve is in fact an act of disorderliness! smiley

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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by haddeylium(m): 2:13pm On Sep 15
author=Blabbermouth post=93950802]
This is a common thing in humans na. God created Lucifer na, how did Lucifer invent this "pride" of a thing?

Don't get it mixed up
God didn't create Lucifer. He created an intelligent angel with freewill to choose between right and wrong
He made himself Satan which means "resister'
Unlike Jesus and other faithful angels, he doesn't want to be under Jehovah's supreme authority

That's why Jesus said the Devil “did not stand fast in the truth,” -John 8:44

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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 2:15pm On Sep 15
Maximus69:

Misuse of freewill!
That is Christendom Churches's teaching, Satan wasn't a fallen angel till he abandoned his duty post to speak with Eve! Jude 6
According to the scriptures, angels aren't permitted to speak with humans unless God sent/asked them to do so! smiley
So for Satan to have jumped the protocols and start chatting with Eve is in fact an act of disorderliness! smiley
I believe many are learning...
1. Don't you think it's possible for someone (be it human or angel) to misuse the same freewill and Gen-Rev 2.0 will have to happen over again? How do you think God is going to make sure this never happens?

2. Can you please shed light on Gen 1:2?
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 2:18pm On Sep 15
haddeylium:

Don't get it mixed up
God didn't create Lucifer. He created an intelligent angel with freewill to choose between right and wrong
He created Lucifer!

He made himself Satan which means "resister'
Spot on.

Unlike Jesus and other faithful angels, he doesn't want to be under Jehovah's supreme authority
Why?

That's why Jesus said the Devil “did not stand fast in the truth,” -John 8:44
Ohh... I see.
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 2:24pm On Sep 15
@Kingxsamz, if I will have to give you something that "makes sense", I will have to write you a very long epistle. So, I will just leave you to take the other opinions posted here.
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by haddeylium(m): 2:31pm On Sep 15
[quote author=Blabbermouth post=93952413]
he created Lucifer![
Do someone give birth to a thief or he becomes it?

Why?

PRIDE! and rivalry feeling towards God
he wants people to worship him
He wanted Jesus to do an act of worship to him sef(matt4:9)

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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 2:33pm On Sep 15
Blabbermouth:

I believe many are learning...
1. Don't you think it's possible for someone (be it human or angel) to misuse the same freewill and Gen-Rev 2.0 will have to happen over again? How do you think God is going to make sure this never happens?
Never again! That's the emphasis of Revelations 20:10, though we try to interpret this secret book to many but Satan, his demons and their human agents are complicating issues!

That Bible verse says "And the Devil who was misleading them was hauled into the Lake of Fire and sulphur, where both the wild beast and the false prophets already were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever"

This simply means there is no way such event can repeat itself again because survivors both in heaven and on earth, including all those born by then will continue to tell the story to refresh their memories forever and ever! smiley

2. Can you please shed light on Gen 1:2?

It's just telling us how God began forming the earth with his first spirit Son Michael (Jesus) by his side, but before this time the heavens has been completed with all the angels enjoying their own home and duties! smiley
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 2:53pm On Sep 15
Maximus69:

Never again! That's the emphasis of Revelations 20:10, though we try to interpret this secret book to many but Satan, his demons and their human agents are complicating issues!

That Bible verse says "And the Devil who was misleading them was hauled into the Lake of Fire and sulphur, where both the wild beast and the false prophets already were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever"

This simply means there is no way such event can repeat itself again because survivors both in heaven and on earth, including all those born by then will continue to tell the story to refresh their memories forever and ever! smiley
Objection My friend, the memories (whether they be refreshed every time) is not / will not be enough to stop man and angels from misusing their free will once again.
All of my being is 100% sure that God would not subject the tendency for us to never misuse our will to wishful thinking - "Let's just hope the memories remain fresh in you guys (man and angels) and you never misuse your will again"... That's very weak sir.
You can take your time sir, your answer was sweet all in all though.

It's just telling us how God began forming the earth with his first spirit Son Michael (Jesus) by his side, but before this time the heavens has been completed with all the angels enjoying their own home and duties! smiley
1. The darkness, the formlessness, the void, where were they coming from?
2. What about the waters?
Please explain.
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Blabbermouth: 2:55pm On Sep 15
haddeylium:

...
1. What does "Lucifer" mean?
2. Can you help us out with the questions I asked maximus?
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 3:28pm On Sep 15
Blabbermouth:

Objection My friend, the memories (whether they be refreshed every time) is not / will not be enough to stop man and angels from misusing their free will once again.
All of my being is 100% sure that God would not subject the tendency for us to never misuse our will to wishful thinking - "Let's just hope the memories remain fresh in you guys (man and angels) and you never misuse your will again"... That's very weak sir.
There is no problem with whatever we believe as long as we fully understood our God and trust in his Organization, the answer i'm giving you presently is the same thing you'll get from any JW throughout the earth. So if there is anything you're not getting straight feel free to ask because we're not the ones interpretating those words but Jesus' brothers in our midst, we don't doubt their interpretation, and whoever doesn't agree with their Interpretation is free to get a better interpretation elsewhere! smiley
So back to your question!
The memory is the assurance that such will never be repeated {Genesis 9:12-17} God promised us that whenever we notice anyone die as young as 100 years in Paradise where we're supposed to live forever, we shouldn't be scared, such a person has taken the step to repeat history, so nobody will even mourn! Isaiah 65:20

You can take your time sir, your answer was sweet all in all though.
It's already stored in the memories of all JWs globally so we don't need to go making any research before answering, if you find any JW who ask you for more time to answer this, know that he/she was carried away with life's anxieties. We've been taught all of these in the past!

1. The darkness, the formlessness, the void, where were they coming from?
2. What about the waters?
Please explain.

Remember there were two persons working during the creation work, Jehovah and Jesus (Michael) so that Bible book is showing that the Son didn't know the way forward until Jehovah (the father) began giving him orders on what's nest. Genesis 1:3

That's the import of the spirit of God moving about (like a form of inspecting the project) on the progress of the job given to his son. Note what verse 4 says "and God (Jehovah) saw that the light (that his Son made) was good"

So verse 2 was just telling you how Michael began the work, what he could do until his father began ordering him on how to progress on the job! Proverbs 8:30
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by oluminnic: 4:06pm On Sep 15
I strongly recommend https://rhemaformula.com/blog/

God bless
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 4:17pm On Sep 15
When we tell you people that if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses you can't be saved, many will just flair up saying we are judging you guys.
Well let all of you know that in Paradise there will never be crime, pain or sorrow anymore {Revelations 21:3-4} it's not going to be automatic, God is training those that will be qualified to live there through his organization, whoever is not willing to submit to this arrangement can never see Paradise, because God will not permit any miscreant who is not well informed on how to live there to be there! Malachi 3:16
That's why God's son told a man (who thought he is OK simply because he's been keeping all the Mosaic laws) that he still need to join Jesus' group and forget about attachment to material possessions {Luke 18:18-23} because it's only by doing so that he can continue learning how to cope with life in Paradise, where everyone must bow to the will of God just like Jesus did! John 8:28

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life" John 3:16

The import of this verse is total compliance with God's decisions, of course we will have freewill, but in order to cohabit peacefully with other intelligent creatures around us without hurting them physically, emotionally and mentally we must adhere strictly to guidance from our Creator just as Jesus did. That's why he could say "i and the father are one" {John 10:30} because whatever pleases the father is what Jesus will smile at, but whatever displeases the father will make Jesus frown! John 2:15

But most of you wants to do things differently yet you're claiming Christians, that's why there is no PEACE within any human Organization today except amongst Jehovah's Witnesses {John 14:27} because you're not prepared to humble yourselves before any standard, each just want to justify his heart desires!

Well whether you like it or not, let it be known throughout all the earth that JEHOVAH has gotten a people {Act 15:14} for his name and his about to restore Paradise on earth. He is not looking for whatever good works anyone might think he has. What he wants is humility first then you can learn righteousness in the midst of his humble worshipers! Zephaniah 2:2-3

God bless you all! smiley
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by DappaD: 5:06pm On Sep 15
Blabbermouth:

Objection My friend, the memories (whether they be refreshed every time) is not / will not be enough to stop man and angels from misusing their free will once again.
All of my being is 100% sure that God would not subject the tendency for us to never misuse our will to wishful thinking - "Let's just hope the memories remain fresh in you guys (man and angels) and you never misuse your will again"... That's very weak sir.
You can take your time sir, your answer was sweet all in all though.

When Habakkuk was saddened by all the wrongdoing and violence taking place around him by those who chose to misuse their freewill, he queried Jehovah and asked why He tolerated it. (Habakkuk 1:1-3)
What was God's response to him?
For the vision is yet for its appointed time,
And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie. Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it!
For it will without fail come true.It will not be late!”
— Habakkuk 2:3
Yes, we are to be in expectation of that appointed time when the wicked ones will be done away with forever.(Psalm 37:10, Proverbs 2:22)
Furthermore, he was inspired to write that
“the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of Jehovah
As the waters cover the sea”
— Habakkuk 2:14; see also Isaiah 11:9
Yes, under the rulership of God's Kingdom, the obedient human society i.e. the “new earth” will then have sufficient knowledge about Jehovah God—including all of those who would have been resurrected.(Revelation 20:13)
Obedient mankind will then be raised to perfection during the Millennial rule—Adamic death, sickness, pain will be a thing of the past.(Revelation 21:3-4) so nobody will have any excuse to misuse his/her freewill then.
And since all of them will be aware of Jehovah's righteous standards by then—anyone who decides to flout the standards set will immediately be destroyed.(Isaiah 65:20, Revelation 20:9,15)


1. The darkness, the formlessness, the void, where were they coming from?
2. What about the waters?
Please explain.

I don't understand what you mean by this.
If it's what I'm thinking it to be—then the answer is simple, Jehovah God had created the heavens and the earth but the earth wasn't fit for inhabitance yet—hence the darkness, void and waters.

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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Image123(m): 9:42pm On Sep 15
Maximus69:
When we tell you people that if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses you can't be saved, many will just flair up saying we are judging you guys.
Well let all of you know that in Paradise there will never be crime, pain or sorrow anymore {Revelations 21:3-4} it's not going to be automatic, God is training those that will be qualified to live there through his organization, whoever is not willing to submit to this arrangement can never see Paradise, because God will not permit any miscreant who is not well informed on how to live there to be there! Malachi 3:16

God bless you all! smiley

What are they saying and what is majamaja saying now? Are you here to sell Awake or what?

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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by haddeylium(m): 9:46pm On Sep 15
Blabbermouth:

1. What does "Lucifer" mean?
2. Can you help us out with the questions I asked maximus?


1. First of, Lucifer is not the scripture name given to satan

The Hebrew word Heylel that appears just once in the Bible translated as Lucifer in some translation means Shining one

it is not a name or even title, it's term describing the boastful position taken by the king of Babylon that shone brightly among other stars(King)(Isaiah 14:12)

His arrogance and pride of his dynasty was portrayed in
-"I shall make myself resemble the Most High.”​—Isaiah 14:13, 14

The pride of the Babylonian rulers is similar to “the god of this system of things”​—Satan the Devil. (2 Corinthians 4:4)
He too lusts for power and want himself above Jehovah God


2. I can't do better that he has

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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Image123(m): 9:47pm On Sep 15
Sermwell:
The concept of religion doesn't make sense to me at all. I have a lot of questions I want to ask but we seem not to be ready for this conversation. One of the questions is the picture attached below.
Does anybody feel same or I'm the only one??

cc: lalasticlala
cc: Seun

If you have so many questions about God, you need to get on God's wavelength to stand a chance. Otherwise, you'll just continue to meander. Get genuinely born again.
God had to send Jesus Christ because no one else was willing or worthy to die in man's place for redemption. The wages of sin is death. Either man died or someone died in his place. If He saved Himself the stress, then man would die.
Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

This is children church stuff.
Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 2:31am On Sep 16
haddeylium:

1. First of, Lucifer is not the scripture name given to satan
The Hebrew word Heylel that appears just once in the Bible translated as Lucifer in some translation means Shining one
it is not a name or even title, it's term describing the boastful position taken by the king of Babylon that shone brightly among other stars(King)(Isaiah 14:12)
His arrogance and pride of his dynasty was portrayed in
-"I shall make myself resemble the Most High.”​—Isaiah 14:13, 14
The pride of the Babylonian rulers is similar to “the god of this system of things”​—Satan the Devil. (2 Corinthians 4:4)
He too lusts for power and want himself above Jehovah God
2. I can't do better than he has

The underlined!
Of course my brother you can perform better by constructing more eloquent English with simpler presentation.
But one thing they must know is that no matter where they go JWs will give them the same answer to any scriptural question.
An Arabian may sound aggressive with his own presentation, a German may be hasty like a machine, a Chinese may speak like Buddha and an African may tell stories but if they're all JWs whoever listens attentively will realize that all these people have the same line of thought regarding the topic of discussion! Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2
So if they like let them go to another continent and ask JWs there the same questions! smiley

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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Nobody: 2:49am On Sep 16
Image123:


If you have so many questions about God, you need to get on God's wavelength to stand a chance. Otherwise, you'll just continue to meander. Get genuinely born again.
God had to send Jesus Christ because no one else was willing or worthy to die in man's place for redemption. The wages of sin is death. Either man died or someone died in his place. If He saved Himself the stress, then man would die.
Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

This is children church stuff.

The highlighted is where you shot yourself in the foot my guy! undecided

People don't become Born Again without having the knowledge {John 17:3} that's required before God baptise them with his Holy Spirit!
So they must first IDENTIFY the source of divine wisdom {Matthew 7:15-20} acknowledge it, humbly learn what is required to become a member of God's family {Zephaniah 2:2-3} then subject themselves to doing things together with God's people as fellow workers with God! 1Corinthians 3:9

So you can't put the cart {result) before the horse {prerequisites}, without the knowledge they can't become Christians {Matthew 28:19-20} and without being Christian they can't become Born Again! {John 3:6} Jesus told Nicodemus this fact when he came to ask Jesus questions in the night, of course Jesus himself had 12 close confidants who has been learning from him through his thoughts, words and actions, yet it was 11 of them that made it as part of the first BORN AGAIN group at Pentecost! Act 2:1-4 undecided

God bless you! smiley

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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by Image123(m): 6:14am On Sep 16
i wonder what was said concerning my post that got two posts hidden and probably banned. cheesy

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Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 6:18am On Sep 16
kkins25:
i think the sensible question to ask would be; if God in his so called glory could influence pharaoh by hardening his heart, why couldn't he also influence pharaoh by softening his heart?
This is typical of a question not full of common sense asked. Smh.

God didnt not frigging influence Pharaoh by hardening his heart. Pharaoh was a willing participant to hardening his heart up. God gave Pharaoh ten set of circumstances to make and let him soften his heart. Ten times is was given. Ten times Pharaoh refused. He squandered the all ten softening his heart opportunities.

Balaam had only one opportunity, and that one opportunity, he used it wisely.

God will not force anyone, won't force you kkins25, nor Blabbermouth to do anything against your will. When we get to having you, Blabbermouth, do the guinea pig experiment, you will, if alive after it, then find out, that it is true that God does not override or overrule your will. He doesnt impose or force a will upon you. It is you, who decides what you'll do. It is you who makes the decision(s)

kkins25:
why is that God of Moses is always working counterproductively (bearing in mind that they wandered the desert unnecessarily for freaking 40 bloody years with the silly excuse of "getting rid of slave mentality".. i think that was moses' bloody plan. Infact the whole charade was Moses plan, from the 10 commandments to the the last bit.
You can sometimes appear so embarrassingly and biblically awful undereducated sha, smh, fyi:

1/ 17"When Pharaoh let the people go, God did not lead them along the road to the land of the Philistines, even though it was nearby; for God said, “The people will change their minds and return to Egypt if they face war."
18So He led the people around toward the •Red Sea along the road of the wilderness. And the Israelites left the land of Egypt in battle formation."

- Exodus 13:17-18

2/ "Yahweh's anger was kindled against Israel,
and He made them wander back and forth in the wilderness forty years,
until all the generation, who had done evil in the sight of Yahweh, was consumed.
"
- Numbers 32:13

God with great care, thoroughness and attention to detail was fulfil actualising and achieving the prophetic Genesis 3:15 protoevangelium mentioned to Eve, which the law and the prophets also kept harping upandan about in scripture

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