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livingchrist:
that is what the devil decieve them with.

One even said no RELIGION( including the one JWs) is free of sinners and Satan's influence. I just they laugh

Ihedinobi3:
Well, I don't believe that the Bible teaches that the Archangel Michael is Jesus Christ. From where I stand, it is ridiculous in the extreme.

As for what the Lord Jesus said, He didn't say that before Abraham He was or had been, He said that before Abraham He IS. He was saying the exact same thing as He said in the burning bush to Moses --

14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Exodus 3:14 (NKJV)

and through Paul in Hebrews --

8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Hebrews 13:8 (NKJV)

That is what I actually see in the Bible.

I challenge Ihedinobi to tell this forum what Exodus 3:15 , Acts3:13 and Jesus himself @ ,John 20:17 and Revelation 3:5,12 is saying about his dubious "I am" claim in John 8:58.

Bros, How come Jesus Christ is a Servant of " I am" in heaven


The LIAR twisting John8:58 and Exodus 3:14, says Jesus Christ is his (Ihedinobi's) "I am"

Whereas, Acts3:13.. Revelation 3:5,12, John20:17 Jesus Christ confessed Ihedinobi's "I am" is his own God and Father.


Exodus 3:15 ,Acts 3:13 ,John 20:17, Rev3:5,12 is Jesus Christ saying he is NOT your Fraudulent
"I am", rebuttal of your satanic Fraud.

Bros, you don't know Jesus Christ, neither do you know his God and Father.
This truth is so bitter to provoke your anger.
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Ihedinobi3:
As the Bible said, "deceiving and being deceived."

I obviously said that if you are unreasonable and abusive, I will engage you only when it pleases me to.

Doesn't change the fact that you lied that the Trinity doctrine has been debunked several times on Nairaland.

Still accusing you, friend, still accusing you, and only getting more and more proof that you are what I accuse you of being.

The challenge you should place before him is, he should not show up in any thread where TRINITY is being discussed again since it has been DEBUNKED

Abi no be the same TRINITY?

Blabbermouth:
If so, the likes of MuttleyLaff, Shadeyinka, Emusan, Johnw47, livingChrist, solite3, JesusJnr, and co. are all witnesses for Yahweh i.o.w - Yahweh's witnesses.

Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha

Don't DECEIVE yourself.

Read this screenshot by "brocab", a Triune idol devotee on this forum condemning their Trinity Fraud.


Triune idol worshippers and devotees don't know Yahweh , the Only True God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus Christ and JWs.

achorladey:
One even said no RELIGION( including the one JWs) is free of sinners and Satan's influence. I just they laugh

they keep on, contradicting themselves at every turn.
The same religion that had their roots steeped on occultism, read about Russell the founder of watch tower society and his connection with freemason, watch tower derived from freemason.

Depsui:
The reason why i said glorified body is that, He can live forever in His resurrected body which is not possible with the natural body.

How do you know it is not possible with the "natural" body though? When it was recorded that man lived almost 1000 years on earth, was it not in this same "natural" body that man did just that? If this "natural" body can indeed survive almost a thousand years, why not eternity? Basically, what makes it unsuitable for eternity?

Janosky:
Don't DECEIVE yourself.

Read this screenshot by "brocab", a Triune idol devotee on this forum condemning their Trinity Fraud.

Triune idol worshippers and devotees don't know Yahweh , the Only True God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus Christ and JWs.

[img]https://media./images/14cd04951335766288c672c30e186f98/tenor.gif[/img]
Whose "Trinity Fraud"?
Who are Triune idol worshippers and devotees?

livingchrist:
they keep on, contradicting themselves at every turn.
The same religion that had their roots steeped on occultism, read about Russell the founder of watch tower society and his connection with freemason, watch tower derived from freemason.

There book says they came out of Babylon the Great, what they called EMPIRE of FALSE RELIGION. Since they are the offspring of Babylon the Great. There fruit can't be any different from where they say they come from.

No matter how many times they call themselves the ONLY TRUE CHRISTIAN. It will not change the source or origin. Even if the name CHRISTIAN is bastardized and cursed

Ihedinobi3:
1)
Psalms 8:5 says that angels (that is, plural) are el'ohim. Does it say that any individual angel is el'ohim?



*2
I don't believe you when you say that "el" means "mighty one". I believe that you are lying about that. Lying, I said, not mistaken, because you and I have talked a few times on this platform and you have repeated this lie every time.


*3
The Lord Jesus called Himself "I Am" (John 8:58) which is the Name YHWH.

But, as I said, you know all this, so I know that you're a willful liar and also an abusive debater, so I have no intent to engage you beyond this point unless you say something worth responding to for the benefit of others.

*1) Your DUBIOUS claim is the same as saying All angels have the same Father. Only one angel has a different Father.
Or A man is not a God because the Bible says men are Gods.

WAYO Bros....
Ihedinobi is very dishonest changing Scriptural truth.
Same goes for those 2 mumu "likes" for FALSE claims.

*2)
Bros, go and organize Hebrew lecture classes to teach the Jews their language wey them know pass you.


*3)
Exodus 3:14-15 is clarified by Acts3:13 and Jesus Christ @ John 20:17 and Revelation 3:5,12 says you are twisting John8:58..
Jesus the servant of "I am" has distanced himself from Ihedinobi's DUBIOUS claim.

livingchrist:
angelic beings are called winds

Psalm 104vv4 is not talking of forces of nature but angelic beings like michael, gabriel and the rest.


This below is from your organisation
Who are the angels?

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT ANGELS
Before God created the physical universe and the first humans, he had already created a higher order of intelligent creatures. They are more powerful than humans, and they inhabit the same realm as God himself​—a realm inaccessible and invisible to mankind. (Job 38:4, 7) The Bible calls those superior beings “spirits” and “angels.”​—Psalm 104:4. *
www.jw.org

Psalm 104:4 , most Bible Translations says " He makes His Angels spirits"
Others read :
"He makes wind His Angels/Messengers"
(But don't confuse it to mean that wind is a living spiritual being. Rather, wind is a Messenger (or angel) obeying the word of Jehovah, carrying out God's assignment. (That is the point I made earlier. Compare Ezekiel 1:13. Psalm 148:7-8. Psalm 107:25), Angels (ministering spirits) and wind are servants of Jehovah, obeying His word.. to fulfill God's purpose.

Barristter07:

Like you are deceiving the thread with your baseless claims . Mr unbelievers will have an incorruptible body , Even quoting a verse about carcass on top ressurected men saga. Have you confirmed that the greek word at 1Corinthians 15:44 means physical body ? So stop peddling lies all around. U are saying it's sown a physical body and raised with the same physical body.

I m not surprised that you are a liar.

I did not say unbelivers will have incorruptible body, I only said in away or in resemblance stop lying everyone can read our post.

If Jesus body was not physical then you can also say the galatian christian were not physical people because paul called them spiritual.

Galatians 6:1
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

The word translated as physical is in that verse is most suitable for natural.

I said I wont give you a respond but I will put you to silence this once.
Yes Jesus body was spiritual but it doesnt mean Jesus was a spirit,
On your vomit that God gives sinners a glorified body like that of Jesus

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Sinners cannot possess a glorious body hence they would have not woken up in shame and contempt.


Only those who died with Christ, meaning only those whose sins are done away with through his sacrifice will have same resurrection as Jesus.

Romans 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:


why are you running away from kjv use of natural instead of physical?
From what paul was saying, natural is more suitable than physical.
Jesus body was not natural but spiritual.

Janosky:


Psalm 104:4 , most Bible Translations says " He makes His Angels spirits"
Others read :
"He makes wind His Angels/Messengers"

Both are correct.

watch tower called them superior beings, are forces of nature superior beings?

achorladey:
The challenge you should place before him is, he should not show up in any thread where TRINITY is being discussed again since it has been DEBUNKED

Abi no be the same TRINITY?

I did place it before him. He just failed to stand up to it.

livingchrist:
watch tower called them superior beings, are forces of nature superior beings?

Bros, calm down.
Compare Ezekiel 1:13. Psalm 148:7-8. Psalm 107:25), I have posted the update to this post you quoted...

Wind itself is not a living spiritual being.
However, the Bible says it obeys the word, commands of Jehovah, carrying out God's assignment.
In that sense, Wind is a Messenger/angel of Jehovah.

achorladey:
The challenge you should place before him is, he should not show up in any thread where TRINITY is being discussed again since it has been DEBUNKED

Abi no be the same TRINITY?

Can you tell this forum why my post on any thread is your business?

Janosky:
*1) Your DUBIOUS claim is the same as saying All angels have the same Father. Only one angel has a different Father.
Or A man is not a God because the Bible says men are Gods.

WAYO Bros....
Ihedinobi is very dishonest changing Scriptural truth.
Same goes for those 2 mumu "likes" for FALSE claims.

*2)
Bros, go and organize Hebrew lecture classes to teach the Jews their language wey them know pass you.


*3)
Exodus 3:14-15 is clarified by Acts3:13 and Jesus Christ @ John 20:17 and Revelation 3:5,12 says you are twisting John8:58..
Jesus the servant of "I am" has distanced himself from Ihedinobi's DUBIOUS claim.

So, the issue is no longer that Psalm 8:5 says that I'm wrong. It's now that you want to quarrel over the identity of angels. Hard pass.

Of all the JWs I have met and engaged on this forum, you are by far the worst. You're like the raw sewage at the bottom of a vile septic tank. I have had far better engagements with JWs than you. And I have had regrettable ones with others who seem to aspire to be you. You quarrel not only with the people you choose to challenge but also with anyone who comments or even likes their posts. The very sight of you on this forum is repugnant.

Janosky:
Can you tell this forum why my post on any thread is your business?

That's what you need is captured in bold

Ihedinobi3:
So, the issue is no longer that Psalm 8:5 says that I'm wrong. It's now that you want to quarrel over the identity of angels. Hard pass.

Of all the JWs I have met and engaged on this forum, you are by far the worst. You're like the raw sewage at the bottom of a vile septic tank. I have had far better engagements with JWs than you. And I have had regrettable ones with others who seem to aspire to be you. You quarrel not only with the people you choose to challenge but also with anyone who comments or even likes their posts. The very sight of you on this forum is repugnant.

na master of calling others WAYO, FRAUD, LIARS and the rest.

Ihedinobi3:
*1
So, the issue is no longer that Psalm 8:5 says that I'm wrong. It's now that you want to quarrel over the identity of angels. Hard pass.


Of all the JWs I have met and engaged on this forum, you are by far the worst. You're like the raw sewage at the bottom of a vile septic tank. I have had far better engagements with JWs than you. And I have had regrettable ones with others who seem to aspire to be you. You quarrel not only with the people you choose to challenge but also with anyone who comments or even likes their posts. The very sight of you on this forum is repugnant.

Bros, is the bolded about Psalms 8:5 the only issue you raised in your post I quoted?
The screenshot dey ooo !

As far as, Psalms 8:5 is concerned, you are very wrong !
Going by your DUBIOUS logic,
Angels are sons of God. Does it say any individual angel is son of God?

Because @ John 20:17 and Revelation 3:5,12 , Jesus Christ disproves your "I am" FALSE claim, that is the reason "the very sight of you on this forum is repugnant"
, According to the WAYO man wey know the Hebrew language more than the Jews




WAYO man , come and explain

This post 2 & 3 here ,is the reason for your anger and vile insults

*2)
Bros, go and organize Hebrew lecture classes to teach the Jews their language wey them know pass you.

*3)
Exodus 3:14-15 is clarified by Acts3:13 and Jesus Christ @ John 20:17 and Revelation 3:5,12 says you are twisting John8:58..
Jesus the servant of "I am" has distanced himself from Ihedinobi's DUBIOUS claim

Janosky:


Bros, calm down.
Compare Ezekiel 1:13. Psalm 148:7-8. Psalm 107:25), I have posted the update to this post you quoted...

Wind itself is not a living spiritual being.
However, the Bible says it obeys the word, commands of Jehovah, carrying out God's assignment.
In that sense, Wind is a Messenger/angel of Jehovah.

so you know better than jw.org?
Your organisation said psalm 84 v4 is about spiritual beings that dwelt in heaven with God

Give it a rest, already

achorladey:
That's what you need is captured in bold

You know you can't give expression to your actual intention.

*

achorladey:
but those that are your husbands here don't insult others

No wonder you can't stay in the truth!

So if you as a man insulted a man you think it is a welcomed development for the insulted to attack your daughter, sister, wife or mother right?

Janosky:
You know you can't give expression to your actual intention.

always KNOWING at least you see what the bold carries

livingchrist:
watch tower called them superior beings, are forces of nature superior beings?

so you know better than jw.org?
Your organisation said psalm 84 v4 is about spiritual beings that dwelt in heaven with God

Bros, calm down.
Compare Ezekiel 1:13. Psalm 148:7-8. Psalm 107:25)

Wind itself is not a living spiritual being.
However, the Bible says it obeys the word, commands of Jehovah, carrying out God's assignment.
In that sense, Wind is a Messenger (as angels are Messengers) of Jehovah.

Bros, Show me "Wind" in your Quote.
Does the JW article say anything about wind?
You're too like arguement.

AkinwaleJJ:
No wonder you can't stay in the truth!

So if you as a man insulted a man you think it is a welcomed development for the insulted to attack your daughter, sister, wife or mother right?

Is the the TRUTH I know or your version of TRUTH?


So if you as a man insulted a man you think it is a welcomed development for the insulted to attack your daughter, sister, wife or mother right


I believe you are familiar with your brothers here on this forum. Talking about INSULTS and ABUSE they award or dish out degrees to graduating students in that field. If you need CERTIFICATE ask them. Those ones use people generation that don't agree with what they say as TOOTHPICK in their mouths

Janosky:
Don't DECEIVE yourself.

Read this screenshot by "brocab", a Triune idol devotee on this forum condemning their Trinity Fraud.


Triune idol worshippers and devotees don't know Yahweh , the Only True God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Jesus Christ and JWs.

There is nothing truthful you know about Yahweh that they don't know.

Like I said, just like many others, all those I mentioned are witnesses of Yahweh. I.O.W - Yahweh's witnesses.

achorladey:
What was meant to liberate people is insubordinating them into something else.

Absolutely.

Paul, of Peter, of Stephen, I tend to see these disciples of Christ starting with a group too but when they know this......
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ

They abandoned those insubordination and manipulation and faced REALITY before them which is the Christ.

Like the GB who called themselves Guardians of our Doctrine = GoD

Setting themselves (in stead of the LORD) as rulers over those that believe they witness for Jehovah. That's irritating!

Blabbermouth:
There is nothing truthful you know about Yahweh that they don't know.

Like I said, just like many others, all those I mentioned are witnesses of Yahweh. I.O.W - Yahweh's witnesses.

You need to be badged with the website logo or perhaps declare your allegiance to the GB before CONFIRMATION.


The same person (Janosky) that says JESUS is Yahweh's witness can't accept those that witness about Jesus who he says witnesses about Yahweh is a Yahweh witness

Blabbermouth:
There is nothing truthful you know about Yahweh that they don't know.

Like I said, just like many others, all those I mentioned are witnesses of Yahweh. I.O.W - Yahweh's witnesses.

Worshippers of Triune deities are witnesses of whom?
Did Jesus worship Triune deities?

Bros, you are entitled to your say.
No wahala

Kobojunkie:
How do you know it is not possible with the "natural" body though? When it was recorded that man lived almost 1000 years on earth, was it not in this same "natural" body that man did just that? If this "natural" body can indeed survive almost a thousand years, why not eternity? Basically, what makes it unsuitable for eternity?

Death! The day your guy Adam caused that kasala, your body and every other thing subjected to Adam has been on a constant decay slope. The decay process can be slow or can sometimes be fast, but one thing is sure, the end product is -Death!

If the natural body (I mean after Adam chopped the forbidden) was to live an eternity, it will continue decaying infinitely but never getting to the end - which is Death.
This is not a body befitting for the King of the earth who will reign forever.

If the natural body (Adam in his original state) was to live an eternity, it will live eternally on earth - it wasn't perfectly adapted for the heaven, yea, the heaven of heavens.

Janosky:
Worshippers of Triune deities are witnesses of whom?
Did Jesus worship Triune deities?

Bros, you are entitled to your say.
No wahala

Come out here and show me what you know about Yahweh that they do not know.

Perhaps I should poke fun about the most stupid conclusion on earth - Jesus is Angel Michael.
Somehow somehow, all the apostles, starting from peter to John, Stephen, James, Jude, and even Paul never for once said - "Need I remind you that our Lord Jesus was a mighty angelic creature before he came to earth, his name then was Michael".
Nobody, not even Jesus himself dedicated a scripture for it, and somehow you guys will come out here and say - Jesus is Angel Michael.

Nigga, those Yahweh witnesses I mentioned know the Lord Jesus as much (if not far more) as you do.