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Kobojunkie:
Again, there you go again inserting your 'delusion' into what is clearly written there.
What Jesus Christ did at Passover has nothing to do with your assumptions of Him giving up His " natural body".

The evening meal they had commemorates the sacrifice of Christ [the] Passover lamb(1 Corinthians 5:7)
Just as the lamb blood saves the individual household lives. Jesus' ransom sacrifice on the stake frees all people from slavery to sin and death.​ (Matthew 20:28; Hebrews 9:​15.)

haddeylium:
The evening meal they had commemorates the sacrifice of Christ [the] Passover lamb(1 Corinthians 5:7)
Just as the lamb blood saves the individual household lives. Jesus' ransom sacrifice on the stake frees all people from slavery to sin and death.​ (Matthew 20:28; Hebrews 9:​15.)

All you are continue to do is repeat the doctrine that has been taught by your pastors and churches for a long long time, attempting to use it here justify your claim that Jesus Christ gave up His "natural body" when he died though.
We are speaking here of the very same Jesus Christ who is recorded to have said the following...

John 2 vs 17-22 (ERV)
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17. When this happened, his followers remembered what was written in the Scriptures:“My strong devotion to your Temple will destroy me.”
18. Some Jews said to Jesus, “Show us a miracle as a sign from God. Prove that you have the right to do these things.”
19. Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple and I will build it again in three days.”
20. They answered, “People worked 46 years to build this Temple! Do you really believe you can build it again in three days?”
21. But the temple Jesus meant was his own body.
22. After he was raised from death, his followers remembered that he had said this. So they believed the Scriptures, and they believed the words Jesus said.

Don't you think if what Jesus Christ meant was a NEW temple, He would have at least made that clear in the above? Instead, He said He would build it up, suggesting that the very same, would be rebuilt.

If they have the truth, let them work out something visible in their midst!

The only way to verify the TRUTH is how strong it is to unite people and how long they're able to stand together as one body! John 17:21-23

Jesus died physically and was raised spiritually is not arguable by words of mouth alone, there should be a sign to verify the authenticity of those who got it right!

MaxInDHouse:
If they have the truth, let them work out something visible in their midst!

The only way to verify the TRUTH is how strong it is to unite people and how long they're able to stand together as one body! John 17:21-23

Jesus died physically and was raised spiritually is not arguable by words of mouth alone, there should be a sign to verify the authenticity of those who got it right!

No wonder that Jewish teacher said "Wisdom is Justified by its Works"

haddeylium:
No wonder that Jewish teacher said "Wisdom is justified by it's children"

Jesus has cleared the air on the subject, it's not by arguement but by their FRUIT! Matthew 7:20

I've never seen this before in my life, for people to keep arguing each on individual opinion that can't agree with others on thought yet each is claiming he has the truth!
The irony of this is these confused religionsists are trying to oppose a multitude of Witnesses who have been taught from different races, nations, tongues, languages and skin colour they have the same line of thought, this group works together as one body just as the founder of Christianity foretold {John 17:22} they're zealous evangelizers {Matthew 24:14} they're peace lovers {John 14:27} they have the most obedient youths {Matthew 5:13-16} and they always do things in common! 1Corinthians 14:33,40
I just wonder why they're doing this but i'm sure that God knows how to lead us to those who are truly humble and zealous for righteousness in their midst! Zephaniah 2:2-3

Barristter07:
You know very well that the physical rendering will finish you . Hence the denials.
KJV said it is sown a natural body ... Is this not the physical body ?

you know if you sticked with natural rendering you would have being finished.
Olodo, you should check the difference between natural and physical.

Kobojunkie:
All you are continue to do is repeat the doctrine that has been taught by your pastors and churches for a long long time, attempting to use it here justify your claim that Jesus Christ gave up His "natural body" when he died though.
We are speaking here of the very same Jesus Christ who is recorded to have said the following...

Don't you think if what Jesus Christ meant was a NEW temple, He would have at least made that clear in the above? Instead, He said He would build it up, suggesting that the very same, would be rebuilt.

John 6:51, NIV: "I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.'"

Hebrews 10:10, NIV: "And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

Hebrews 10:10, ESV: "And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

(The #10k offering you put in your church box, do you take the #10k back from church box after service? No, never!
Jesus did not take back his offering/sacrifice of his perfect body/blood for our sins, Heb 10:10.
John 17:4-5, God will restore his son to the glory he had in the spiritual realm before the world was.
Or you mean that Jesus was human before the world was )

1 Corinthians15:44-49
Body is either spiritual ( for spirits in heaven, the last Adam, Jesus) or physical (for humans on earth, Adam/Eve).

Bros, after resurrection, you know Jesus Christ is now high Priest.
Bros, is Jesus Christ a high Priest in an earthly temple ?

No ooooo !

Hebrews chapters 9, 10 & 12 (from verses 1 to the end) says Jesus Christ is a high Priest in heaven (spiritual temple), not any earthly temple.

Clown, where did I ever say the body can withstand fire forever?

Barristter07:
Coming from someone who deludedly believe They will suffer forever in hell with their body.

A body that can withstand fire for Years is a ?

For how many days will this present body withstand jungle justice ?

you must be a clown to not accept you have given sinners an incorruptible body like Jesus .

Mind you, Let's collapse the delusion that the body of Jesus which appeared to the disciple is glorious. For the records, A perfect body cannot retain scars

Ephesians 5:27 gives the picture of a Glorious body .

" so that he may present the church to himself as glorious -- not having a stain or wrinkle, or ANY SUCH blemish, but holy and blameless. " NET Bible

So a Glorious body in your Little knowledge will have blemish like wounds ?

U are a Joke

Clown, when has Ephesians 5:27 ever talked about body?

Cant bodies that have scar heal?

Barristter07:
Connect the dots in the bolded. A body that withstand fire forever is corrupt or INCORRUPTIBLE ? Congrats, u just gave sinners INCORRUPTIBLE body too

this is mere assumption, the kind of body wasnt stated your connecting dots means nothing,
But people in the lake of fire will be there forever, it is clear.

Kobojunkie:
You are right! Those who will spend time in Hell do have incorruptible bodies because they also believe in Jesus Christ.

the biblical interpretation of incorruption is a body that does not decay, in the bible only Christians that will has such body.

livingchrist:
the biblical interpretation of incorruption is a body that does not decay, in the bible only Christians that will has such body.

Yeah, and some of those "Christians" i.e. those who believe in Jesus Christ, are the very one's who will end up in Hell, according to Jesus Christ. The ones you refer to as "sinners" are Christians too since once they chose to believe in Jesus Christ, they too acquired eternal life(incorruptible bodies).

Unbelievers on the other hand, who are not Christians, do not have incorruptible bodies(eternal life), since they do not have eternal life, and so are not bound for Hell at all.

Kobojunkie:
Yeah, and some of those "Christians" i.e. those who believe in Jesus Christ, are the very one's who will end up in Hell, according to Jesus Christ. The ones you refer to as "sinners" are Christians too since once they chose to believe in Jesus Christ, they too acquired eternal life(incorruptible bodies).

Unbelievers on the other hand, who are not Christians, do not have incorruptible bodies(eternal life), since they do not have eternal life, and so are not bound for Hell at all.

this is clearly your own imagination

Kobojunkie:
Yeah, and some of those "Christians" i.e. those who believe in Jesus Christ, are the very one's who will end up in Hell, according to Jesus Christ. The ones you refer to as "sinners" are Christians too since once they chose to believe in Jesus Christ, they too acquired eternal life(incorruptible bodies).

Unbelievers on the other hand, who are not Christians, do not have incorruptible bodies(eternal life), since they do not have eternal life, and so are not bound for Hell at all.

complete the story plsss
where will the unbelievable be?

haddeylium:
complete the story plsss
where will the unbelievable be?

The unbelievers simply cease to exist when they die! There is no afterlife for those who do not believe. Isn't that a fate less complicated than that which awaits the millions, many billions of so-called Christians out there who will spend eternity in Hell?

livingchrist:
this is clearly your own imagination

No it is not. What you acquired at the point of believing in Jesus Christ is eternal life (not later or after you die in the flesh) but right here and now, you have eternal life because you believe in Jesus Christ.

However, to enter Heaven, you have to submit to and follow Jesus Christ, else you are going to spend that eternity on the other side.

Janosky:
John 6:51, NIV: "I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.'"

Hebrews 10:10, NIV: "And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

Hebrews 10:10, ESV: "And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

(The #10k offering you put in your church box, do you take the #10k back from church box after service? No, never!
Jesus did not take back his offering/sacrifice of his perfect body/blood for our sins, Heb 10:10.
John 17:4-5, God will restore his son to the glory he had in the spiritual realm before the world was.
Or you mean that Jesus was human before the world was )

1 Corinthians15:44-49
Body is either spiritual ( for spirits in heaven, the last Adam, Jesus) or physical (for humans on earth, Adam/Eve).

Bros, after resurrection, you know Jesus Christ is now high Priest.
Bros, is Jesus Christ a high Priest in an earthly temple ?

No ooooo !

Hebrews chapters 9, 10 & 12 (from verses 1 to the end) says Jesus Christ is a high Priest in heaven (spiritual temple), not any earthly temple.

Let me give you a tip.

Whenever you want to reply someone, do address the point or points the person raised, compare it with other scriptures and show why so so so doctrine is actually the truth.

I've never seen you convince anyone before. Why? When you reply, you reply with a point of your own, writing your own scripture and feel proud of yourself.
In your mind, the scores is 1-1. If your interlocutor brings another scripture and reasons from it with a particular perspective, instead of setting him straight, you rush to find another scripture and drop another point. In your mind, 2-2.

Reason from the scriptures with whoever you are engaging, stop being obsessed with your scoreline method.

livingchrist:
Clown, where did I ever say the body can withstand fire forever? Clown, when has Ephesians 5:27 ever talked about body?

Cant bodies that have scar heal?

John 21:4 , John 20:14, according to you, Jesus body scars heals sharp sharp , why Mary and the disciples not recognize Jesus?

Since you claim the body healed, @ John 20:26-27,how come Thomas met Jesus with fresh body scars ?

They saw him die with scars and knew him for 3years without scars, yet can't recognize him on 6 different occasions ( think !!!)

livingchrist:
you know if you sticked with natural rendering you would have being finished.
Olodo, you should check the difference between natural and physical.

Answer the question.
It is sown a natural body, which body is sown ? The physical body , yes or no ?

Janosky:
John 21:4 , John 20:14, according to you, Jesus body scars heals sharp sharp , why Mary and the disciples not recognize Jesus?

Since you claim the body healed, @ John 20:26-27,how come Thomas met Jesus with fresh body scars ?

They saw him die with scars and knew him for 3years without scars, yet can't recognize him on 6 different occasions ( think !!!)

livingchrist:
this is mere assumption, the kind of body wasnt stated your connecting dots means nothing,
But people in the lake of fire will be there forever, it is clear.

There in hell forever with which body ? Corruptible or incorruptible one ?

livingchrist:
Clown, where did I ever say the body can withstand fire forever? Clown, when has Ephesians 5:27 ever talked about body?

It explains the meaning of what is glorious. No scar, no blemish, no wrinkles, no dirt.

Cant bodies that have scar heal?

If it has a scar in the first place that needed healing, Proving the body was never a glorious one. But a corruptible one. See your life's

The JW's must be pretty hard up-trying to reenact the Old Testament-if you gay's just turn the page-wa la you may even find Jesus caught up amongst you-calling out.
Instead you would rather follow old tradition.
This sounds like the 10 virgins story-five were wise-and five weren't, the Watchtower is deafeningly on the road to doomsday, as soon as they peace and safety 'sudden destruction will come upon them.. ""Wake up sucker's We are trying to help you-understand the truth...

Blabbermouth:
If so, the likes of MuttleyLaff, Shadeyinka, Emusan, Johnw47, livingChrist, solite3, JesusJnr, and co. are all witnesses for Yahweh i.o.w - Yahweh's witnesses.

Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha

Blabbermouth:
Let me give you a tip.

Whenever you want to reply someone, do address the point or points the person raised, compare it with other scriptures and show why so so so doctrine is actually the truth.

I've never seen you convince anyone before. Why? When you reply, you reply with a point of your own, writing your own scripture and feel proud of yourself.
In your mind, the scores is 1-1. If your interlocutor brings another scripture and reasons from it with a particular perspective, instead of setting him straight, you rush to find another scripture and drop another point. In your mind, 2-2.

Reason from the scriptures with whoever you are engaging, stop being obsessed with your scoreline method.

Thanks for your observations...
This is not about "scores or braggadocio", Shuooooo !!!

This is his post:
Kobojunkie:
All you are continue to do is repeat the doctrine that has been taught by your pastors and churches for a long long time, attempting to use it here justify your claim that Jesus Christ gave up His "natural body" when he died though"

Janosky replied :
Using John 6:51 and Heb 10:10 bolded print.
I presented an illustration with church offering/sacrifice and asked him a question along that line...
Bros Blabbermouth, is Jesus & Paul's point clear enough?
.

[b]Kobojunkie :
We are speaking here of the very same Jesus Christ who is recorded to have said the following...

Don't you think if what Jesus Christ meant was a NEW temple, He would have at least made that clear in the above? Instead, He said He would build it up, suggesting that the very same, would be rebuilt.

His point is that Jesus retained the pre - resurrection body ' I will rebuild the temple claim.'
John 6:51 & Heb 10:10 already shed light on it to some extent... Jesus body is a sacrifice and he is NOT a high Priest on any earthly temple , therefore the temple is not earthly (referencing Hebrews 9 & 10).

"The Temple rebuilt" is the glory in the spiritual realm that Jesus will receive back from his Father, John 17:4-5.
Jesus gave it up 'in the form of slave" on earth.
John 17:4-5, Jesus will receive the glory he had "before the world was" , with a human body?
Haaaaa !!!

Bros , the Scriptures support Scriptures, it takes time, research and more vitally, Jehovah's holy spirit to grasp it , otherwise it would seem contradictory to a newbie.
Shalom.
[/b]

Janosky:
Thanks for your observations...
This is not about "scores or braggadocio", Shuooooo !!!

Seen.

Um.... this is what Jesus Christ actually said in John 6

John 6 vs 47-56 (ERV)
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47. “I can assure you that anyone who believes has eternal life.
48. I am the bread that gives life.
49. Your ancestors ate the manna God gave them in the desert, but it didn’t keep them from dying.
50. Here is the bread that comes down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will never die.
51. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my body. I will give my body so that the people in the world can have life.”
52. Then the Jews began to argue among themselves. They said, “How can this man give us his body to eat?”
53. Jesus said, “Believe me when I say that you must eat the body of the Son of Man, and you must drink his blood. If you don’t do this, you have no real life.
54. Those who eat my body and drink my blood have eternal life. I will raise them up on the last day.
55. My body is true food, and my blood is true drink.
56. Those who eat my body and drink my blood live in me, and I live in them.

Kobojunkie:
The unbelievers simply cease to exist when they die! There is no afterlife for those who do not believe. Isn't that a fate less complicated than that which awaits the millions, many billions of so-called Christians out there who will spend eternity in Hell?

Who are the believers?

haddeylium:
Who are the believers?

You would have to go back to my previous posts for that.

brocab:
The JW's must be pretty hard up-trying to reenact the Old Testament-if you gay's just turn the page-wa la you may even find Jesus caught up amongst you-calling out.
Instead you would rather follow old tradition.
This sounds like the 10 virgins story-five were wise-and five weren't, the Watchtower is deafeningly on the road to doomsday, as soon as they peace and safety 'sudden destruction will come upon them.. ""Wake up sucker's We are trying to help you-understand the truth...

The bolded is the joke of our century!

There are over 41,000 different religions claiming denominations in Christendom, and even in the same denomination you're not speaking with one line of thought.
So where is the so called "WE" that's trying to help?
What is the name of the GROUP and how can an interested person grasp what this/these so called "WE" is teaching when you're not one in thought?

Kobojunkie:
Um.... this is what Jesus Christ actually said...
John 6:51
This bread is my body. I will give my body so that the people in the world can have life.”

Hebrews 10:10 , is Jesus body his offering/sacrifice ?

The Offering you put in your church box , do you take it back from the box after service ?

The genuine answer in your heart, apply it to Hebrews 10:10.

Shalom

haddeylium:
Who are the believers?

They are scattered in different DENOMINATIONS of Christendom Churches with contracting teachings and conflicting doctrines!

AkinwaleJJ:
Now i know you're just a clown!

laugh, denying that you are trivina, mad max's husband
you false jw's are such deceivers -liars
aren't you

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

by their fruits you will know them

Mat 7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 
Mat 7:16  Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 
Mat 7:17  Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 
Mat 7:18  A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 
Mat 7:19  Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

by your fruits trivina we know that you r a deceiving and lying false jw, one of satans mob
and such a dummy

Again, this is what Jesus Christ said in John 6, a similar message can be found in Luke 22.

John 6 vs 47-56 (ERV)
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47. “I can assure you that anyone who believes has eternal life.
48. I am the bread that gives life.
49. Your ancestors ate the manna God gave them in the desert, but it didn’t keep them from dying.
50. Here is the bread that comes down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will never die.
51. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my body. I will give my body so that the people in the world can have life.”
52. Then the Jews began to argue among themselves. They said, “How can this man give us his body to eat?”
53. Jesus said, “Believe me when I say that you must eat the body of the Son of Man, and you must drink his blood. If you don’t do this, you have no real life.
54. Those who eat my body and drink my blood have eternal life. I will raise them up on the last day.
55. My body is true food, and my blood is true drink.
56. Those who eat my body and drink my blood live in me, and I live in them.

If one is to assume that Jesus Christ indeed meant that He would give up His "natural body" on the cross by the above, then one is invariably saying that Jesus Christ lied in John 2...

John 2 vs 17-22 (ERV)
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17. When this happened, his followers remembered what was written in the Scriptures:“My strong devotion to your Temple will destroy me.”
18. Some Jews said to Jesus, “Show us a miracle as a sign from God. Prove that you have the right to do these things.”
19. Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple and I will build it again in three days.”
20. They answered, “People worked 46 years to build this Temple! Do you really believe you can build it again in three days?”
21. But the temple Jesus meant was his own body.
22. After he was raised from death, his followers remembered that he had said this. So they believed the Scriptures, and they believed the words Jesus said.

... and also in the passage where He tells His disciples that it is indeed He that is returned.

But since we know that Jesus Christ is the Truth of God, and God does not lie, it then logically follows that the assumption is false.