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Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Blabbermouth: 1:12pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Barristter07, now I'm loving where this conversation is heading. I will be back. |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 1:22pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: Thank you. This is what I wanted all this while. The verse didn't say what is born of spirit is a Spiritual man . It says what is born of spirit " IS SPIRIT" This are spirit's , creatures without physical bodies. "He makes his angels spirits" Heb 1:7 He himself is Spirit. ( John 4:24) Spirit does not have flesh and bones. Are you saying " Is spirit " at John 4:24 means God is a Spiritual MAN ? Yeye dey smell 1 Like |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 1:30pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: That's the point. Likewise for someone born of the spirit, what comes forth after their Ressurection is Spirit person. 1 Like |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 4:01pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse:@bolded thought you said anyone who is dead can no longer be Judged, how can Jehovah judged the wicked who are already dead not to take part in the resurrection? That means they are not free from sin after all, You brother said those who are dead has already paid for their sin, meaning the wicked has already paid for their sin, then it would be unrighteous for Jehovah not to resurrect them, It would mean Jehovah judged not qualified to live based on their sin that they already paid. By saying the dead pay for their sin, it would mean Jesus death is irrelevant, why should Jesus die if, everyone who dies pay for their sin? jehovah witness madness |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 4:05pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse:lie lie fraud max, Revelation 20:4-5 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. The only people that will experience the first resurrection are those who were killed for the gospel sake, and those who did not accept the mark of the beast every other dead did not live until the 1000 years ended Lie lie |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 4:11pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Barristter07:lie lie barrister, every christian is born of the spirit God does that make every Christian a Spirit being? secondly, Jesus said if you are not born again you cannot enter God's kingdom, will the earth not be part of God's kingdom? When Jesus comes the kingdom of this earth will automatically becomes God's kingdom Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Jesus said without being born again you cannot enter it. |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 4:16pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Jesus said God's kingdom is within you, meaning kingdom of God is not just a region but a domain where God is king, anybody that is Christ is already in God's kingdom, Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. What happens to those who will not be part of God's kingdom Matthew 13:41-42 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Without being born again no one can enter God's kingdom. |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Blabbermouth: 5:39pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Barristter07:Don't be silly na, you said the person becomes flesh only after 9 months. I just proved to you that even before the 9 months, the person has always been flesh. Even in the womb, you are flesh! In the same breathe, immediately after baptism (as you are reborn), you are spirit! Na you kuku bring the comparison yourself, yet, your false position couldn't find its feet. 1 Like |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Blabbermouth: 6:08pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Barristter07:Neither did the verse say is A spirit Exactly! So, what does it mean? The verse only said "is SPIRIT" , where did you see all the nonsense above. I taught your brother basic English yesterday. The word "Spirit" there is not a noun (else, there would have been an article), it's a adjective! That is to say the word "spirit" is an attribute of anyone "Born of spirit". Do you copy? So? He himself is good √ He himself is A good × Another error exposed! God is Spirit is not the same as God is A spirit . The "spirit" in the first sentence is an adjective. The spirit in the second sentence is a noun. To be honest, your understanding of English is poor. Spirit(adjective) qualifies the Man (noun) we speak of, so Man is a spirit Man Spirit (Adjective) qualifies the Deity (noun) we speak of, so the Deity is A Spirit Deity. This is simple English na! Oya, you've learnt. You call yourself true worshippers, smiles. Jesus said - True worshippers worship God in Spirit. Why Because the Deity they worship is spirit. Therefore, true worship is to be carried out in a spiritual temple by true worshippers who worship the Spirit God in Spirit. Now declare, how do you, having no spirit enter into a spiritual temple (i. was it your natural body that went into a spiritual temple) and worship your God, who is Spirit, in spirit. Answer that question and what everybody has been telling you will either make perfect sense, or you will realize that you were never a true worshipper. 1 Like |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 6:21pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Someone doesn't know something instead of him to close mouth and learn he's busy raising shoulders up. Nawaoh! |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Blabbermouth: 8:31pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
DappaD:You should teach him na. I only signed up for bible discussions, but for the truth of Christ, i found myself teach basic English - Use of indefinite article, Noun against Adjective and the likes. No one, I repeat, no single one among you can answer the question I asked concerning spirit worship. It's not a curse, false notions cannot stant before plain truth. |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by haddeylium(m): 8:39pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
livingchrist: Actually, there's one thing Impossible for God but possible for Man! He cannot tell lies (Titus 1:2)... It's impossible! God has created the earth for humans to live forever. Humans have flesh and blood, it's only spirit the heaven is meant for. Matthew 5:5 5“Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will inherit the earth.(compare with psalm 37:9) Soon, God will take absolute control of the earth from Satan and his agent and destroy this ungodly ones 'world'. But this planet Earth as he promised will be restored back to paradise forming a society of 'new earth' with righteous ones inheriting as he promised! |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 8:45pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: You are still showcasing your little poor knowledge of biblical Greek again. There is nothing like " a " in greek. John 4:24 NIV " God is spirit " Berean study Bible " God is Spirit " An adjective or a noun ? |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 8:52pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: What is BORN of flesh IS FLESH .... The point still stands. Either aborted or through vagina birth , what comes out is flesh . Likewise What is Born of the Spirit "Is SPIRIT ." This happens at their Ressurection . What comes out his Spirit . They are called partakers of the divine nature/God's nature. |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 8:57pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
livingchrist: Sperm takes process to become flesh . Likewise born of spirit takes process to become the final product , Spirit. You can't just be making noise, you that find it hard to explain how John would be lesser than the least person in God's kingdom. You have no idea of the discussion at hand. The fact remains they will become , Spirit . Does it say what is born of spirit is Human ? U can explain to us what the phrase " Is spirit " means |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Blabbermouth: 8:59pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Barristter07:You are making me laugh hard. Abeg, no allow me choke on goat meat please It DOESN'T HAVE TO COME OUT, in that womb, it is flesh! Before 9 month, it is flesh! Even before they reassurect, just like an embryo, they are spirit! Yea, every spiritual man is a partaker of the divine nature of God immediately you get baptized. When you talk of nature here (from the verse you pulled that out), this is not about God's form or build up, no! It's about WHO HE IS! - Holy, righteous, Love and all. The divine said himself - Be Ye Holy, just as I am holy. You don't achieve this by yourself, no! It requires partaking in that Nature that Makes the divine himself holy. Herein lies the true concept of GRACE. |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Blabbermouth: 9:03pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Barristter07:Don't you get what I've been saying since morning? If there was "A" there, you would have been jubilating by now. "Spirit" in that context is not a noun! You don't complete a dependent-auxiliary-verb like "is" with a noun! The spirit is an adjective. In both cases, it qualifies a noun. In john 4:24, the adjective "spirit" qualifies the noun "God". Same as in John 3. The adjective " spirit " qualifies the noun "Anyone born of spirit" |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 9:05pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: It's takes process before it becomes flesh in that womb. From a liquid called sperm , So my point still stands.
It is . That's why it says " Is Spirit " Spirit is God's form . |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Blabbermouth: 9:06pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Barristter07:No story sir. Flesh has formed long before any coming out! No where does it say that - they will become a spirit. Don't import errors please. |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by livingchrist: 9:07pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Janosky: When Adam sinned, what happened to his relationship with God? Why did God ask Adam where art thou, is it because God does not know where Adam was hiding or something else, remember there is no where anybody can hide that God does not know. Spiritual death is the separation of man from his maker who is the source of life. God is called the living waters, what happened when humans are separated from the true life who is God himself? Paul described the gentiles as separated from the life of God, which is what spiritual death is? Where do you think they inherited this nature from? Adam When did it start? After Adam disobeyed God, that is why God said "Adam where are you?" |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 9:08pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: Qualifies the noun in what sense , Form/nature ? |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Blabbermouth: 9:10pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Barristter07:Which process? You never had a point! Again, nowhere did Jesus say you will become a spirit. Shey God that should actually not be boxed to be a person in the first place? The foundation is where you lost it. God's spirit. The Holy Spirit Is the holy spirit A Spirit? |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Blabbermouth: 9:11pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Barristter07:What is form? What is nature? |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 9:11pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: I use they will become because it's an Hope . . The main point is anyone born of spirit is Spirit. ( spirit is not physical, it's a different form entirely ) That's the hope. |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 9:14pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: Simple question: " is spirit " qualifies the noun in what sense , Form ? Nature ? Talk |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Blabbermouth: 9:15pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Barristter07:Help yourself by saying - Spirit is not natural. Spirit things are bounded or related with spiritual realm. Natural things are bounded or related with natural realm. Saying that spirit is not physical (I.e. Visible) might put you in a tight corner. |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Blabbermouth: 9:15pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Barristter07:Define nature and define form. That should not be too hard, should it? |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by DappaD: 9:23pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: Determiners like they've already said was added by English translators what are you still making all the noise for?
Says the person who's bringing 1Corinthians 2:14-15 into the discussion Boy you really make me laugh when I read some of your comments ngl When I said shut up and learn, I meant what I said. It's for your own good! |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 9:23pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: You can check the dictionary , I only want a clarification , in what sense does " Is Spirit " qualifies the noun in John 3:6 and John 4:24 ? |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Blabbermouth: 9:23pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
DappaD:I didn't read. |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Blabbermouth: 9:25pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Barristter07:Dictionary? No, I will skip. Give me yours. (I had a chit chat with a JW and at the end, he was cunningly saying that the meaning of so so so, is not what he actually mean it as. C'mon, we are having an healthy discussion here, tell me what form and nature is ) |
Re: After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh Or Spirit? by Barristter07: 9:29pm On Nov 14, 2020 |
Blabbermouth:Okay, in what sense does " Is spirit " qualifies the noun at John 3:6 and John 4:24 , what does it reveal about the noun ? |
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