Etrusen:





why are the Yoruba's that deceptive? always creating fake account everywhere to cause havoc online

or is this what Afonjalism bring?

The yorubas are lovely people is just Tao11 soiling them with hate and her obsession, the other outside culture thread knows benin historically suppressed their weak ancestors

On real ground if you mention youre bini to a Yoruba man they would never want to see your anger

I forget to do a screenshot on the yoruba hebrew thread when a Yoruba guy accepted the word oba is originally binis

Do you know what she said when i showed her, she was speechless and claim, if the yoruba giy who admitted it was an author from dat dayi just know she just an afonja

The real yorubasl dont tell lies

She is just Obassed we bleeped her ancestors up

Etrusen:
madam don't think am blind.

am asking you a direct question

do you agree to this account ?

nothing more, answer if he was an ife man with either yes or no

is this too hard for you ?

Etrusen: Where is Oduduwa from?

Me: He is a Yoruba man from Ife.

Etrusen: Haha! You see, you didn’t answer my question.

Me: [Rolls my eyes] I did.

See the screenshot of where you quoted the answer.

Etrusen: Oh sorry! Cancel that. That’s not my question anymore.

My question now is: Do you agree with your own answer that he is from Ife?

Etrusen (again): Oh wait! Let’s go back to my actual question — the one I asked to be cancelled:

You didn’t write the word Y-E-S or N-O; therefore, I should have insisted that you didn’t answer my question.

Me: For the new question: Yes, I agree with my answer that he is from Ife. LMAO!

Now back to your cancelled question as you’ve requested:

In English language, the word “yes” (in this context) has exactly the same 100% meaning as the phrase “he is a Yoruba man from Ife”.

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It’s tough engaging a dullard. He knows nothing, learns nothing, but says everything.

TAO11:
Etrusen: Where is Oduduwa from?

Me: He is a Yoruba man from Ife.

Etrusen: Haha! You see, you didn’t answer my question.

Me: [Rolls my eyes] I did.

See the screenshot of where you quoted the answer.

Eteusen: No, sorry! That question is not my question anymore.

My question now is: Do you agree with your own answer that he is from Ife?

Etrusen (again): Oh wait! Let’s go back to my actual question which I just changed:

You didn’t write the word Y-E-S or N-O; therefore, I should have insisted that you didn’t answer my question.

Me: For the new question: Yes, I agree with my answer that he is from Ife. LMAO!

And back to your actual question: [i]In English language, the word “yes” (in this context) has exactly the same 100% meaning as the phrase “he is a Yoruba man from Ife”.

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It’s tough engaging a dullard. He knows, learns nothing, but says everything.

you have serve your purpose

but you can start by providing the ife account the says he was a Yoruba man


just like tollboy you people want to make it look as if life started in ife

please let's start by you providing the account or better still where the ooni of ife said oduduwa was an ife man

please I hope its not difficult

Etrusen:



we are dealing with oduduwa origin so don't change topic but if you want to know about ogiamien, first settle that of oduduwa then we can come to ogiamien

any way this will help you

https://www.nairaland.com/6291503/evidences-shows-ogiamien-claim-original

What is the Ekiokpagha treaty?

Oduduwa is a myth, he never existed, he was created by people who knew how gullible nigerians are.
Lack of education makes some people in nigeria to still believe there was an oduduwa.

It is just a made up story !

Basically many nigerians lack the ability to think logically. They are ready to believe any cook and bull story without even asking for proof.
This is one of the reasons rumors spread easily in nigeria, low IQ, lack of education...

There was never an oduduwa !

Etrusen:
you have serve your purpose

Lol and Smh! He finally gets it. Sighs! ... It’s been a long day.

Basic stuffs really have to be broken down for dullards.

but you can start by providing the ife account the says he was a Yoruba man

I have just finished the part A by showing you where I answered your question that Oduduwa is a Yoruba man from Ife.

Now, part B is to show you where I already cited the Ife account that says so.

Follow this link to page 5 where I already cited the Ife account in details. Read the comment while your eyes is open:

https://www.nairaland.com/6291440/benin-remain-center-west-africa/4#96807302

just like tollboy you people want to make it look as if life started in ife

What is “you people” ?? Is that the name of a Chinese food?? LMAO!

Well, stop feeling inferior over nothing. I actually can’t remember mentioning anywhere that life started in Ife.

To read up on the scientific position on this specific topic, refer to the link below to another thread where I discussed it in details:

https://www.nairaland.com/6286709/ijebu-vs-jebusite/8#96733169

please let's start by you providing the account or better still where the ooni of ife said oduduwa was an ife man

Well, It has already been provided to you on page 5 — even with detailed referencing.

You quoted the answer while still ranting that your request has not been provided.

See the penultimate link for the comment, and read the quotations with your eyes open this time around.

please I hope its not difficult

The only difficulty I see is the difficulty of making use of your eyes.

Or are you just pretending to be dumb? Be honest, I think you are!

Etrusen:



please let's start by you providing the account or better still where the ooni of ife said oduduwa was an ife man

please I hope its not difficult

bonjovi787:
Oduduwa is a myth, he never existed, he was created by people who knew how gullible nigerians are.
Lack of education makes some people in nigeria to still believe there was an oduduwa.

It is just a made up story !

Basically many nigerians lack the ability to think logically. They are ready to believe any cook and bull story without even asking for proof.
This is one of the reasons rumors spread easily in nigeria, low IQ, lack of education...

There was never an oduduwa !

Why do you continue in this line ? What does the words the ooni of ife said about a fictional character (oduduwa) change in the fact oduduwa never existed ? Please elevate your thinking, all this is rubbish. Stop debating about the life of a person who never existed.

For all those who keep debating oduduwa, I hope you know that this is the kind of debate you are having:

Where did batman come from: was it ife or Benin city of gotham city ?
What about spiderman ? Did he come from ife ? What about hercules and aquaman ? Did they come from Benin city ?

samuk:


Asaba in Delta, Onitsha in Anambra, Ikwerre in Rivers, Igede in Benue are few examples of places founded by Benin people.

Below is the oldest eyewitness written historical account of Asaba. in 1875. if you have an older written account to debunk my claim, provide it. the Benin kingdom/empire was far greater than most of you can ever imagined. Those of you that actually know will not admit to it due to inferiority complex.

In case you missed it, it clearly says Asaba history says, they migrated under the sovereignty of the Oba of Benin due to war.

By 16th century (500 years ago) Benin already sent an ambassador to Lisbon in Europe, something no African kingdom/empire had done till then.

I do not dispute the founding or diversity of these regions... however, apart from Igede they had majority Igbo populations who were not under direct rule from The Benin Kingdom.

Yes Benin also had great influence with her neighbours, but that does not mean Benin was all powerful.

The Benin expedition of 1897: it took the British 9 days to conqueror this so called "empire"... with just over 1000 men who were mostly local conscripts.

bonjovi787:




Why do you continue in this line ? What does the words the ooni of ife said about a fictional character (oduduwa) change in the fact oduduwa never existed ? Please elevate your thinking, all this is rubbish. Stop debating about the life of a person who never existed.

bro she said he was an ife man I only want her to bring an account where the ooni said oduduwa was an ife man

the thing is even if oduduwa does exist, different account have said oduduwa came from somewhere but she said oduduwa is from ife then let her prove it with my question.

Abovebonny:


I do not dispute the founding or diversity of these regions... however, apart from Igede they had majority Igbo populations who were not under direct rule from The Benin Kingdom.

Yes Benin also had great influence with her neighbours, but that does not mean Benin was all powerful.

The Benin expedition of 1897: it took the British 9 days to conqueror this so called "empire"... with just over 1000 men who were mostly local conscripts.

What do you mean by "influence" ?
It seems to me that you deniers of the passed have coded the word "influence"

I guess nigeria only has influence over the 36 nigerian states.

Is the map below what "influence" looks like

It is weaird how you guys keep boasting about how "easily the uk defeated Benin empire".
I would have you reminded that nomatter how easily the uk defeated Benin empire, your people were under Benin empire and paid tribut to the Oba of Benin. I would understand your boasting about british war exploits against Benin empire if you were british or white or a racist white, but you are a black man ! a black man whose ancestors paid tribute to the Oba of Benin !

And for your info, your details are totally wrong. The british attacked Benin city directly, they didn't face the entire empire and they had maxim guns (maxim guns) and all sorts of weapons which would devaste regions in ww1.
The maxim gun alone is credited for making it possible for europe to colonize africa.
The british had 1200 marines and a bunch of black canon fodders. Benin empire and its capital Benin city didn't have the firepower which the british had.

But even the british who fought said it was a hard fight and they were happy to have made it out alive.

Newton85:

What is the Ekiokpagha treaty?

finish with oduduwa then come to this let me educate you

Etrusen:



finish with oduduwa then come to this let me educate you

Go and sleep, dimwit.

bonjovi787:
[s]Why do you continue in this line ? What does the words the ooni of ife said about a fictional character (oduduwa) change in the fact oduduwa never existed ? Please elevate your thinking, all this is rubbish. Stop debating about the life of a person who never existed.

For all those who keep debating oduduwa, I hope you know that this is the kind of debate you are having:

Where batman comefrom: was it ife or Benin city of gotham city ?
What about spiderman ? Did he come from ife ? What about hercules and aquaman ? Did they come from Benin city ?[/s]

Is that so? Wonderful! See premium tears!

Anyways, a Yoruba friend asked me to inquire about the historicity of these men:

Eweka 1, Uwakhwuahen, Ehenmihe, Ewedo, Oguola, Edoni, Udagbedo, Ohen, Egbeka, Orobiru, Uwaifokun, Ewuare 1, Esegie, and many others.

His contention is that they are mere cartoons and santa-clauses.

Is that true??

Etrusen:





bro she said he was an ife man I only want her to bring an account where the ooni said oduduwa was an ife man

the thing is even if oduduwa does exist, different account have said oduduwa came from somewhere but she said oduduwa is from ife then let her prove it with my question.

I fail to see the point in discussing if a made up character like spiderman oops oduduwa came from ife or not.
I fail to follow your logics.
If someone claims spiderman came from enugu, would you be asking him to prove it ?

TAO11:
Lol and Smh! It’s been a long day. Basic stuffs really have to be broken down for these folks to get it.

I have just finished the part A by showing you where I answered your question that Oduduwa is a Yoruba man from Ife.

Now, part B is to show you where I already cited the Ife account that says so.

Follow this link to page 5 where I already cited the Ife account in details. Read the while your eyes is open:

https://www.nairaland.com/6291440/benin-remain-center-west-africa/4#96807302

What is “you people” ?? Is that the name of a Chinese food?? LMAO!

Well, stop feeling inferior over nothing. I actually can’t remember mentioning anywhere that life started in Ife.

To read up on the scientific position on this specific topic, refer to the link below to another thread where I discussed it in details:

https://www.nairaland.com/6286709/ijebu-vs-jebusite/8#96733169

Well, It has already been provided to you on page 5 — even with detailed referencing.

You quoted the answer while still ranting that your request has not been provided.

See the penultimate link for the comment, and read the quotations with your eyes open this time around.

The only difficulty I see is the difficulty of making use of your eyes.

Or are you just pretending to be dumb? Be honest, I think you are!

in page 5 you said ife tradition says he is an ife man

but am asking you to bring any article where the ooni said he was originally from ife

or you can also bring any account


this one nor hard now

Etrusen:
in page 5 you said ife tradition says he is an ife man

but am asking you to bring any article where the ooni said he was originally from ife

or you can also bring any account

this one nor hard now

[face palms] I HAVE DONE EXACTLY THAT.

The only thing you have to do is read. [I know the word “read” scares the soul out of you]

Here is the link to the comment AGAIN:

https://www.nairaland.com/6291440/benin-remain-center-west-africa/4#96807302

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I’m suspecting that your “dullardism” is follow-come.

Etrusen:




Tao11 please I want to know

are you male?



I hope this is easy?

Tao11 has been wiping your Ass

Newton85:


As a matter of fact, the Ogiamien family (who are the descendants of the Ogiso) in Benin are still angry that the Oba of Benin no longer wants to acknowledge the Ekiokpagha treaty (I hope I spelled it right), a rent that the Obas of Benin used to pay to the Ogiamien for allowing Yoruba foreigner Oranmiyan and his descendants to make use of the land. If truly Oduduwa was some spurious Izoduwa, or Imadoduwa, or Ekala-whatever from Benin, how come his descendants via Oranmiyan were made to pay rent to the Ogiamien for the land they occupied?

Wait... Ogiamen told u people that Oba pays rent

bonjovi787:


What do you mean by "influence" ?
It seems to me that you deniers of the passed have coded the word "influence"

I guess nigeria only has influence over the 36 nigerian states.

Is this map what "influence" looks like

We are referring to political influence so in this case we mean direct control or specific outcomes.

True empires have more direct control than indirect control.

no this is what infulkcne looks like...

bonjovi787:


What do you mean by "influence" ?
It seems to me that you deniers of the passed have coded the word "influence"

I guess nigeria only has influence over the 36 nigerian states.

Is this map what "influence" looks like

We are referring to political influence so in this case we mean direct control of specific outcomes.

True empires have more direct control than indirect control.

No this is what influence looks like...

Abovebonny:


We are referring to political influence so in this case we mean direct control of specific outcomes.

True empires have more direct control than indirect control.

No this is what influence looks like...

How relavant is your map ?
I can also draw a map right now and make russia look like it is smaller than ghana on it.
I recopied your map below.

Obalatule:
Bini is a Yoruba sub-group

Change my mind

Yoruba is a bini subgroup what the yoruba are speaking today is a form of benin language spoken wrongly

bonjovi787:

Never happened.
Where did you get this rubbish from ?
When you say stuff like this, at least attempt to substantiate it.
Oba Eweka II was raised by Oba Ovonramwen, the last independent emperor of Benin, when Oba Eweka 2 ascended the throne (1914) many people in the region (mostly the yoruba) were afraid he would make his father's empire rise again.

So please prove your claim. I want to see how you are going to explain this rubbish.

You wish......

Actual precolonial maps:

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

Edeyoung:


Yoruba is a bini subgroup what they yoruba are speaking today is a form of benin language spoken wrongly

Says an Edo miscreant .....

bonjovi787:


I fail to see the point in discussing if a made up character like spiderman oops oduduwa came from ife or not.
I fail to follow your logics.
If someone claims spiderman came from enugu, would you be asking him to prove it ?

You fictional character like the igodomido trash.... and the illusional izoduwa cow...

Balogunodua:


You fictional character like the igodomido trash.... and the illusional izoduwa cow...

What point are you trying to make ?

samuk:
This is why Benin/Ife relationship have problem.

A Reconsideration of the Ife-Benin Relationship1
A. F. C. Ryder
DOI: https://doi.org/10.1017/S0021853700005314
Published online by Cambridge University Press: 22 January 2009
Extract
The traditions now current among the Edo of Nigeria trace the origin of the Benin dynasty and the associated cire-perdue technique of brass-casting to Ife. Some of the information recorded by European visitors to Benin since the fifteenth century is not easily reconcilable with this tradition. [/b]Material evidence, especially that contained in the Benin bronzes, and the results of archaeological investigation have also raised difficulties. It is suggested that many conflicts in the evidence could be resolved by adopting a hypothesis which would ascribe a more northerly origin to the dynasty. [b]The Nupe-Igala area straddling the confluence of the Niger and Benue emerges as the key area in such a reconstruction of Benin dynastic affiliations. The Yoruba States would seem to be related to the same general complex, but the chronology and direction of dynastic movements still remain obscure, and the seemingly fixed points of reference become far less certain when placed in context.


According the prevalent myths of Ooni of Ife before his 1930 political elevation.

S. Johnson said in his book, The History of the Yorubas that the Ooni of Ife was a descendant of a mere shrine keeper, rather than real royalty (a myth which had actually been prevalent in other parts of Yorubaland even before Johnson wrote his book; the historian Robin Law cites other instances of this myth about the Ooni of Ife being some kind of shrine keeper or non-royalty existing in other parts of Yorubaland dating from before and after Johnson's book was published).

The Yorubas are here to deceive and capitalize on the ignorance and gullibility of majority of their readers. if they think they have history, they should come out and lets debate it,

All this rant because she trashed you again....

bonjovi787:

What point are you trying to make ?

The point of your stupidity....

Balogunodua:

The point of your stupidity....

You have made no point at all, all you do is insult, that is just trolling. I really have no time for trolls.

Balogunodua:

Says an Edo miscreant .....

lol this time you didn't cry foul

Etinosa12345:


Wait... Ogiamen told u people that Oba pays rent

What is the Ekiokpagha treaty?